Naruto got stronger for sure , but he got nerfed mentally. He’s not as smart as he used to be, he doesn’t use smart tactics as much and ignored a lot of his abilities, same with sasuke.
@@jimenski2877Shippuden got powercliffed by Boruto Boruto has bad writing but multiple people surpassed Kaguya and Madara just do the scaling correctly
When Naruto used Shadow clones to cut the leaf and kakashi estimated that he had 4,800 hours worth of training, does that mean Naruto has 200 days worth of stamina?🤔
No, because every clone has individual stamina. Naruto would only get exhausted from the amount of chakra the shadow clones have used. It doesn't mean he can do that stuff for 200 days straight
@@orenji-sama514 bro all the chakra is coming from his power other wise if every shadow clone has they’re own chakra systems it’d basically be like the orginal naruto meaning apparently naruto can now make infinite shadow clones and he’s universal
Bullet you killed it again not only u a good debater u also a good content creator plus u one of the few ppl that scale naruto properly unlike those dowplayers.
Here’s a thing, when momo says he wanted to go take care of kaguya, he doesn’t know she had all of that power, he knows her from being weak, he knows her from before she had the rikodou and rinnesharingan, so he’s not stronger then rinnesharingan kaguya in base, he’s still ftl though
@@KingBullet123 no I know that, I was talking about how momoshiki thought he could beat kaguya, he only knew pre god tree kaguya, and she didn’t know how much stronger she got so she’s probably much stronger them base momoshiki
@@Pinamodada actually iirc momoshiki was capable of knowing the worlds spacial curvature based on how much chakra there was on the planet. So probably knew how strong at max she could be. Ofc his opponents are stronger regardless. So all of the arguments are meant to be used Collectively as a part of a preponderance of evidence.
I also used naruto kicking isshiki as a feat but most didn’t consider that as a feat and only mentioned it as “off GAURD” but I feel like isshiki is fast enough to notice something and him not seeing that attack happen just proves that naruto is fast in base
If u grant that as a feat for Naruto then u would need to do the same for Kaguya which leads to inconsistency none of them have any relativity to isshiki, Naruto was gettin stomped in Six Paths & needed Baryon Mode to contend with “otherworldly power” in the words of Kurama, this is headcanon & not a feat for Naruto at all💀
Himawarii is kage+ tier. She scales of base Naruto. The day naruto became hokage she not only one shot Naruto AND the ninetails BUT ALSO she speed blitzed him as well. He doesn't react to her attack at all. She has befreinded a willingly sealed one tails. Willing sealed means that the one tails could break free and fight for her.
It hard to gauge her power. we know she's above the Genin Level however her tenketsu on Naruto was a comidic, offguard feat that negs durablity iirc so probably isn't usable.
@@KingBullet123 Definatley meming here. I just think that Himawari being potentialy strongest in the verse is funny. I know the scene is meant to be for comidic effect but it's still fun to meme and it was later refered to in the anime. An argument could be made that naruto didn't react from when Himawari commited the attack to her hitting Naruto. Naruto was fully aware of the situation, he observed the byakugan. Obviously Naruto didn't want to get hurt and potentially miss out on his ignorgaration so we assume he couldn't react. Kurama says that naruto "didn't dodge properly". This implies that naruto could have dodged properly but didn't. A reason isn't given for Naruto not 'dodgeing properly'. Thus i'm going to assume he couldn't. Or at least that Himawari would have a decent chance of hitting him if he can be put into a situation where he couldn't dodge properly. This puts Himawari at base Naruto speed. When Himawari landed the hit she knocked Naruto for, to quote Hinata, "the rest of the day". This is something that base Momoshiki could not do. However Himarwari also hurt Kurama more than anything we've seen in the series. Naruto also says that she knocked both him and the ninetails out in the one tial escort arc. This makes Himawari one of the hardest hitters in the verse. She has no real durability feats apart form falling on rusty scrap metal. Other Himawari feats include tree climbing on the first try and awakening the byakugan early. Nothing really noteworthy but nothing to contradict previous feats. they point to her being an exceptional ninja if she tried. The hax status of the gentle fist is unclear to say the least. We would have to go into organ durabilty and how chakra networks work and how they scale. Yes it might be hax but i could also argue that Himawari chakra scales to Naruto chakra network. But it all comes down to what Hima can do with it and it turns out that that's a lot.
@@blueted7263 In reality, Kurama was lying because he didn’t want others to think that Himawari could fuck him up. The reason for this was because Naruto could sense her Sakki, which is “thirst for blood” or “killing intent”. Because of this, he used body flicker to protect boruto. Now don’t think that this means himawari isn’t built different. The reason y Naruto thought he would be fine is because he could survive all of his chakra points being stopped by neji as a kid, so he thought, even if she got him, kurama could hopefully make it fine based on the fact that she was 3. Now to understand how much killer intent can make someone stronger and can reveal there power, lets look at the 2 most memerable examples during the pain arc. The first time this happened was after pain killed hinata. Even though naruto was defeated because pain proved that no matter what he did, kill pain or give up, we would be breaking his nindo and continuing the cycle of hate. However, he no longer cared after pain killed hinata and let loose, forgetting his morals. This first power boost is stronger that his normal self based on the fact that the old 4 tailed cloak couldn’t destroy orochimaru, but this one was slapping paid around and literally crushing sealing jutsu.
can you do a luffy vs naruto i feel like base naruto wins but one piece fans dont,Nobody understands how strong naruto is but you,anyways i feel like if not base then sage mode destroys lufffy
I mean if you say naruto is multi solar system level without baryon he scales above cell so you could say naruto is around buu saga ssj2 goku but that’s about it
@@blackhole8029 Nastoliga is a B but cell really isn't that powerful. You can easily get naruto and ichigo above him with ther universal and multi solar system arguments.
@@KingBullet123 it's actually explained when the toad teaches Naruto Senjutsu he says that chakra is spiritual energy+physical stamina and enhances power
Yo bullet, If the term is used as "weaving or threading" then that isn't a creation feat bc the "rope" used to "thread" was already there. Also, a lot of people could say that "creating dimensions" is a hyperbole. Unless you can scale DC = Durability then you cant use it as a feat. Just a question.
Its a kinetic energy feat. You can’t destroy or create energy regardless. So creation and recycling are still the same. Most fiction function like that. Naruto uses chakra to convert that in to kinetic energy hence we get a feat, etc.
Jin Mori has 4D existence that would make all 3D existence's AP/DC useless since he has unconventional physiology that ignores rules of lower-dimensional worlds/universes
@@DocMustafa might as well be his own he was literally born with karuma and got karuma sealed in him soon as he came out the wound his mother was the jinchuriki before him
@@notcensored3917 Which Goku is Universal+? Ultra Instinct is 4D = Multiversal. I just want to see full power naruto against goku because I want to know. And I'm not saying that naruto is stronger than goku.
@@TheOccurrence0 BOG till Zamasu arc where he likely reaches Low Multiversal, Ultra Instinct is more so Low Multiversal just higher into the tier, Multipliers don't bump you up tiers when u reach Uni+ basically cause the multipliers wont account for the distant between said Universes (basically a 5D axis) just the Universes themselves. And I never said you did I was explaining the tiers Naruto could be argued to.
In the war Naruto pretty much gave everyone the potieintial to reach his Bijuu mode power. By The Last legit 12-15 people have already made it to 6 gates.
So your basically saying if all of naruto/boruto fused they would be beyond solar system? If that were true cell would be a joke character in db. Cell can solo all of onepiece/naruto/boruto
You are telling me that a base Shikamaru who shadow paralyzed base momoshiki who could not break out of it but had to absorb the jutsu is stronger than every single Nara clan member amped 100s if not 1000s of times by Kurama because they could not restrain the 10 tails and the 10 tails is Kaguya basically if not weaker.
@@karansharifi3894 1. Idk he wants to debate using comp femto, Aero’s specialty 2. it means seth doesn’t inherently disagree only that there’s problems with the meta.
@@nagatouzumaki4628 Imagine how strong Hokage Naruto be if he was trained by Whis, fusing psuedo God ki and six path Chakra, and trained by Merus in the time room. I have no doubt he can stomp Ishikki in base!
I mean urashiki is non canon to the series. Therefore making any statements regarding him non-canonical. He cannot be used in actual power scaling so technically any feats regarding him are N/A. If he is referred to as most powerful, it is purely for that specific plots purposes but doesn’t really have any connection to the overall story. Just a cool side story to tell basically. I hope this helped with your concerns regarding Urashiki vs. actual canon of Naruto.
Yo kingbullet please reply😔 I’m hearing that with any multiplyer you would have to prove it boost speed and strength linearly is that true? If so how would you go about proving that?
So usually I’d stack to base and you might get seth saying some are additions. However the ms multiplier is 3-10 via chakra. And sage multiplier should be 10x from base. Those should be fine since otherwise the increases would be non existent EOS. Which is definitely not the case.
@@KingBullet123 yea Ik that but debaters are saying you have to prove it’s like a 1:1 ratio with speed and strength like it amps both equally. like for example the Sage mode multiplyer via the curse Mark argument the scan says his strength increased by 10x but it Dosen’t mention speed ofc Sage mode amps speed but it never states by how much so debaters ask you to prove speed and Ap were a linear increase that’s why I’m asking is that a valid refutation or is there a way to counter it?
@@vinno5901 oh yh, vs battle say that. An easy way to prove it applies to combat strength which includes stamina, power and speed, is the cm2 is stated to increase strength by 10x. Chakra by 10x and when sasuke uses it he goes from getting blitzed by kn1 Naruto to being relative in speed. So logic follows that its a speed multiplier too.
@@KingBullet123 hmm makes sense also I need help with a calculation I’m trying to do how would you go about calculating the speed of a character who can drag energy from all 88 constellations in seconds?
Basically base naruto is almost as strong as fused momushiki who is stronger than kaguya by a pretty large amount which kaguya is atleast planetary and at max multi star level and even without kurama naruto is still MTFL+ and his sage mode got massively stronger than the sage mode in the pain and war arc (the previous sage mode is atleast a 18x multiplier for naruto) And this new version is atleast a 50x multiplier (hypothetical not confirmed) Overall present naruto full power would scale from star level to high solar system level with MTFL+ speed (my ahh is not official divine💀)
Btw this isnt even prime naruto when he was in bm so in bm he is atleast low black hole level and at highest VERY LOW galaxy level (Yes he negs g5 luffy)
Good vid and Ik your just telling them what the high ball is but I’ve seen this trend lately we’re everyone is high balling characters and it’s just wrong vs debates are supposed to be low ball vs low ball
@@oxiclean8536 if u can prove it but low ball is most consistent that’s why it’s a low ball or as I call it a fair ball your just wanking for fishing for feats when u try to make characters stronger there for have inconsistencies in your argument
5:41 you must be mad to think sakura is nearly as strong as saitama, saitama solos naruto/boruto verses, he withstood the gravity of a black hole easily, literally no effort.
Yes it does because she needs to tank the counterforce of the energy produce, and she is relative in ap to ppl who can harm this durability Also yes she states she capable of destroying her dimensions too
The only characters that are otsutsukis that can get defeated or bodied by Naruto in base form (hokage) is toneri that dude that fought pervy sage momoshiki (momoshiki stronger but Naruto kage base family rasengan techniques still defeated him) kinshiki and kaguya I can’t think of anyone else in my head I mean, I guess I can include hagoromo and Indra and ashura yeah kage Naruto base can pretty much solo them but definitely not jigen or iishiki he needs baryon mode
Base Naruto is low to high planetary level of ap with ftl to ftl+ speed ( one shot tensegan and that thing is going to protect tonari and hinata from moon crashing into earth with falls in planetary rang , 2nd feat I have is Naruto pushing back tonari beam which can cut the moon and force the two part to move away from each other and he push it in base for doing that he have to be 4× stronger than the beam, 3rd one shot tonari again he did that in base ( don't bring that chakra cloaked hand because his whole body can tank that force ) and that version of tonari is stronger than the one who is going to destroy earth and moon by blasting them 4th go up against fus momo . Now for speed he dodge multiple photon beams in a weaker state so he is probably many times faster in base 2nd go hand to hand against fus momo who should be ftl+ may be Higher 3rd should be faster than darui who can use laser circus and black lightning both are light speed attack and LC us light based attack.
@@hect0e683 toad sage mode Naruto is already to be said weaker than Limiter Code...Prime Naruto isn’t stronger than Hagoromo who has everything Both Naruto and Sasuke have and more and all of the power that Hagoromo and Hamura had come form one being which is Kaguya. Current Naruto is on the level of pain arc Naruto.
@CollabX look everything about Naruto is drastically weaker even his base form. Naruto doesn’t have Kurama and Hagoromo’s chakra amping his base form with regeneration and chakra all he has right now is half a Uzumaki chakra which is 4 times Kakashi’s chakra and sage mode(toad sage mode) which is very limited in time and he is still gathering from clones exactly like in the Pain arc...some people actually believe that just because 15 years passed he has actually become much stronger because of it...that’s just a lie and it has never been stated anything that indicatesthat what we know is that characters that have dozens of more years of Shinobi training than Naruto like Jiraya and Kakashi and other genius shinobi do not get much stronger by regular Shinobi training...what made Naruto be Anything close to Otsusuki level was never his regular Shinobi training it was always the enhancements in his body given by Kurama and by Hagoromo currently he has none of those...toad sage mode is nothing and I mean nothing compared to Otususki level no matter how much you train regular Shinobi training doesn’t make you much stronger you reach a certain peak level with it and then the only way to go up in a scale that actually makes a difference is by having alien enhancements to your body like bijju chakra, Otususki chakra or elite dojutsu’s that comes from Otsusuki themselves. It’s like Kawaki said in the manga Shinobi training won’t get you nowhere and like AO said in the manga as well not everyone is as lucky as Naruto to have Allien enhancements introduced in to their body and no matter how much you train you’ll never be in their level. Kurama when died said that Naruto he won’t be able to use Jutsu like before...it has already been foreshadowed that Naruto will be running out of sage mode in mid fight against Code(by that interaction with Shikamaru) how much Rasengan shurikens do you think Naruto will take until he runs out of chakra and Sage mode? 4 maybe 5? It’s time to accept Naruto is a great character ones of the greatest but his time is almost up and no character stays up there forever.
@@ricardomadleno564 I know this is late but to think that Naruto didn't train in some way and got weaker in base form as he got over is kind of stupid. Just like you said there isn't nothing to state he has got stronger in base, there also isn't really nothing saying he hasn't. Plus I'm pretty sure Naruto in base form with 50% of his chakra was able to swap hands with Momoshiki fused with Kinshiki.
idk about star level but momoshiki in base was at full power in that fight it was naruto with 50% of his chakra cut so the advantage was his and naruto still kept up
@@kfcsean-kensei1562 Hyphotetically. Momo creates a parralel dimension, which doesn't necesserally means parralel universe. We don't know how he did, but considering the fact that he gets his powers from the chakra fruits and the God tree and how much time it took. Like orochimaru's snake dimension, it isn't universe sized, nor is the tsykoyoumi dimension. Momo's dimension is seen as solar system as his dc. Now, for sure he is atleast Solar system+. The giudes aren't always accurate too, like the Haku being Light speed one, but let's say they are. Momoshiki also isn't a fighter, one of the main reasons he was trashed easily, he needed Kinshiki, so he can fight them. He is more of a creator. Kinshiki is also stated to split worlds, which in japanese usually means universe, but it can also mean planets,and he can, but usually doesn't. Like Boros, who is stated for him to can destroy stars, but never does. Also, about Kaguya's ESTSB attack, it was imlied that it would destroy the dimension, but again, that isn't necesserally universall level. It was stated above planet level, nothing else. And space and time is more of a large observes in the universe. Now, enough for the hypothothecall downplay, even if we say Momoshiki's like universall+ Beerus still wins, especially if now he scales to current Goku.
@@KingBullet123 its terrible. You use vague statements to downplay kaguya. Pre fruit Kaguya isnt stated weaker than kaguya. Only lower rank and that was isshiki. Neiji was lower rank than hinata and neiji was stronger
@@gamabumda4196 “kaguya is weaker that kaguya” ight dude if you say so. Also it was literally stated she was the scarifice because she she was weaker in some translations. The rest of the scaling is kinda self explanatory.
@@somehowanybody7229 lol ik but people don’t understand in the novels Sasuke was a THREAT not more powerful or can beat her a threat to kaguya yet people think Sasuke is stronger
Wow what a trick u played first I saw base Naruto is stronger than kaguya.kaguya is 10 tails jinchuriki.if base Naruto is stronger than kaguya he could have kicked ishiki with his single hand.
@@oliverhargadon2944 because he had only ever been shown relative to kaguya in stats. The only reason Hagoromo is considered the god of the verse is because of his insane hax. Creation of all things jutsu.
7:51 lmao
Wait gaara was able to move his sand so I think gaara is still above shikimaru, and gaara was also able to react and block a fused momoshiki attack
I know so many people were surprised by how much clear feats and scaling there is that isn't accepted my most people for no reason
Base naruto solos shippuden and niggas out here saying he got weaker 💀💀💀
Naruto got stronger for sure , but he got nerfed mentally. He’s not as smart as he used to be, he doesn’t use smart tactics as much and ignored a lot of his abilities, same with sasuke.
@Boruto Uchiha yeah they clap her with strength not with brains
@Boruto Uchiha that’s strength not smarts they will not use most of their attacks and they will forget about most of their abilities
😭😭😂😂y'all are justing agreeing on cap here.
@@jimenski2877Shippuden got powercliffed by Boruto
Boruto has bad writing but multiple people surpassed Kaguya and Madara just do the scaling correctly
When Naruto used Shadow clones to cut the leaf and kakashi estimated that he had 4,800 hours worth of training, does that mean Naruto has 200 days worth of stamina?🤔
Idk
No, because every clone has individual stamina. Naruto would only get exhausted from the amount of chakra the shadow clones have used. It doesn't mean he can do that stuff for 200 days straight
@@KingBullet123 could you link translated novel please?
@@orenji-sama514 bro all the chakra is coming from his power other wise if every shadow clone has they’re own chakra systems it’d basically be like the orginal naruto meaning apparently naruto can now make infinite shadow clones and he’s universal
@@orenji-sama514 Chakra is a combination of physical and spiritual energy so his stamina would be in there
Nice, I can also tell your editing has gotten much better
Bullet you killed it again not only u a good debater u also a good content creator plus u one of the few ppl that scale naruto properly unlike those dowplayers.
Adult Base Naruto > Shippuden pretty much.
This
Shippuden purists cant accept that Kaguya and Madara got powercliffed
FAXX
Yep
@@allaboutthemurzictheir stuck in the past lol they think Kaguya beats Naruto and Sasuke adult forms😂
On god Shippuden mfs can't accept that juubidara is fodder to even sakura
I have to say, you are one of the few people that actually scales Naruto well
Ong right
Your vids are awesome as well man
@@lukelokesh8681 thanks man
@@HONCHOSCALES oh shut i remember u lol I thought u were a fake. I like your vid it really helpful i learned dimension tearing from u.
@@logicthewomanizer7579 lol
Thanks... I moved from anime to comics... I plan on doing a sick video on daewi Han and Mori Jin Vs Naruto and sasuke soon
Base Naruto is stronger we all know
You doing the Lord's work😼😼😼
This ain’t the Lord’s true work but okay
Base naruto should be universal right because he scales to momshiki base
Whats your discord twitter insta gram??
Ye
Naruto is still a beast in base form 🔥
He always has been, people just love to underestimate him for no reason.
Here’s a thing, when momo says he wanted to go take care of kaguya, he doesn’t know she had all of that power, he knows her from being weak, he knows her from before she had the rikodou and rinnesharingan, so he’s not stronger then rinnesharingan kaguya in base, he’s still ftl though
If u watched the video you’d ironically know kaguya fears base momoshiki
And that base momoshiki has equal if not greater feats than kaguya
@@KingBullet123 I know, but they only knew her pre god tree and 10 tails
@@Pinamodada bro? Reread what I wrote
I said prime kaguya feared momoshiki not the other way round
@@KingBullet123 no I know that, I was talking about how momoshiki thought he could beat kaguya, he only knew pre god tree kaguya, and she didn’t know how much stronger she got so she’s probably much stronger them base momoshiki
@@Pinamodada actually iirc momoshiki was capable of knowing the worlds spacial curvature based on how much chakra there was on the planet. So probably knew how strong at max she could be. Ofc his opponents are stronger regardless. So all of the arguments are meant to be used Collectively as a part of a preponderance of evidence.
People who still think Naruto is Moon level😂
For real I’m getting tired of it
Fr ppl are so dumb they don't know how to debate
Oml
Full power naruto is universal
@@mightguy3118 not even full power
We’re do u scale naruto ap and speed
I’m planning to make a fp Naruto vid when I reach 1k subs
@@KingBullet123 ok bro support u all the way btw
@@KingBullet123 u have made it to 1k plus subs. When will I make d video?
I have end of war arc naruto low balled at 30000 times the speed of light and large star level ap and large planetary dc
The best scale ever@@justableachfan1199
your earned a sub man!
I also used naruto kicking isshiki as a feat but most didn’t consider that as a feat and only mentioned it as “off GAURD” but I feel like isshiki is fast enough to notice something and him not seeing that attack happen just proves that naruto is fast in base
The manga is different from the anime in some parts. And that didn't make sense.
If u grant that as a feat for Naruto then u would need to do the same for Kaguya which leads to inconsistency none of them have any relativity to isshiki, Naruto was gettin stomped in Six Paths & needed Baryon Mode to contend with “otherworldly power” in the words of Kurama, this is headcanon & not a feat for Naruto at all💀
Big brain thinking right here
This guy is so honest he says it's highballed because you have to base on databooks
Why are Naruto characters so powerful in your videos compared to other videos.????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Because I’m the only one who scales Naruto properly. Also I did say the other stuff was high end.
@@KingBullet123 Oh ok.
Isn't it interesting that no other anime debates use data books but naruto fans?
Obvious because its ANIME😂
Pretty much and any wank/exaggerated statements are taken seriously when it comes to Naruto I swear
Because not a lot of other anime has Databook, JoJo only has interviews but it does get used, young Joseph does have hermit purple for reference
Himawarii is kage+ tier. She scales of base Naruto.
The day naruto became hokage she not only one shot Naruto AND the ninetails BUT ALSO she speed blitzed him as well. He doesn't react to her attack at all.
She has befreinded a willingly sealed one tails. Willing sealed means that the one tails could break free and fight for her.
It hard to gauge her power. we know she's above the Genin Level however her tenketsu on Naruto was a comidic, offguard feat that negs durablity iirc so probably isn't usable.
@@KingBullet123 Definatley meming here. I just think that Himawari being potentialy strongest in the verse is funny.
I know the scene is meant to be for comidic effect but it's still fun to meme and it was later refered to in the anime.
An argument could be made that naruto didn't react from when Himawari commited the attack to her hitting Naruto. Naruto was fully aware of the situation, he observed the byakugan. Obviously Naruto didn't want to get hurt and potentially miss out on his ignorgaration so we assume he couldn't react.
Kurama says that naruto "didn't dodge properly". This implies that naruto could have dodged properly but didn't. A reason isn't given for Naruto not 'dodgeing properly'. Thus i'm going to assume he couldn't. Or at least that Himawari would have a decent chance of hitting him if he can be put into a situation where he couldn't dodge properly.
This puts Himawari at base Naruto speed.
When Himawari landed the hit she knocked Naruto for, to quote Hinata, "the rest of the day". This is something that base Momoshiki could not do. However Himarwari also hurt Kurama more than anything we've seen in the series. Naruto also says that she knocked both him and the ninetails out in the one tial escort arc. This makes Himawari one of the hardest hitters in the verse.
She has no real durability feats apart form falling on rusty scrap metal.
Other Himawari feats include tree climbing on the first try and awakening the byakugan early. Nothing really noteworthy but nothing to contradict previous feats. they point to her being an exceptional ninja if she tried.
The hax status of the gentle fist is unclear to say the least. We would have to go into organ durabilty and how chakra networks work and how they scale. Yes it might be hax but i could also argue that Himawari chakra scales to Naruto chakra network. But it all comes down to what Hima can do with it and it turns out that that's a lot.
@@blueted7263 In reality, Kurama was lying because he didn’t want others to think that Himawari could fuck him up. The reason for this was because Naruto could sense her Sakki, which is “thirst for blood” or “killing intent”. Because of this, he used body flicker to protect boruto. Now don’t think that this means himawari isn’t built different. The reason y Naruto thought he would be fine is because he could survive all of his chakra points being stopped by neji as a kid, so he thought, even if she got him, kurama could hopefully make it fine based on the fact that she was 3. Now to understand how much killer intent can make someone stronger and can reveal there power, lets look at the 2 most memerable examples during the pain arc. The first time this happened was after pain killed hinata. Even though naruto was defeated because pain proved that no matter what he did, kill pain or give up, we would be breaking his nindo and continuing the cycle of hate. However, he no longer cared after pain killed hinata and let loose, forgetting his morals. This first power boost is stronger that his normal self based on the fact that the old 4 tailed cloak couldn’t destroy orochimaru, but this one was slapping paid around and literally crushing sealing jutsu.
can you do a luffy vs naruto i feel like base naruto wins but one piece fans dont,Nobody understands how strong naruto is but you,anyways i feel like if not base then sage mode destroys lufffy
Tbh I don’t like either of them since. Both fandoms are like NOOOO THIS IS BEST ANIME
But Imo you shouldn’t compare characters to characters from other anime since the power levels are different anime
Naruto has better feats than luffy op fans just dont care😂
KCM2 is enough for the verse
No, it was not a mistake. Naruto is famous for changing jawline.
Amazing vid
yo bullet what's your favorite anime?
Attack on Titan
@@KingBullet123 what's narutos ap and dc??
Please do a video on Natsu Dragneel
Funny enough it’s on my list. I have a friend who scales fairy tail really well.
@@KingBullet123 really do you know where I can talk to him? I’d really appreciate it if you don’t mind
@@KingBullet123 what are naruto multipliers in his forms like: kcm1 kcm2 spsm (no chakra mode)spsm(chakra mode) pls respond
Imagine a fused new form naruto and horn of salvation ichigo? I think dbs high tiers would have some trouble
Serious trouble
I mean if you say naruto is multi solar system level without baryon he scales above cell so you could say naruto is around buu saga ssj2 goku but that’s about it
@@justableachfan1199 what . Above cell . I don't think so buddy .
@@blackhole8029 Nastoliga is a B but cell really isn't that powerful. You can easily get naruto and ichigo above him with ther universal and multi solar system arguments.
naruto will be able to clap ichigo with ease but not goku
Dayum. Then when he fights yk who. Hd could have maaaaad hax
Can you send the scan where it says that Shinobi need Chakra to amplify there power?
Its mentioned in kakashi shinden so I’ll just put it in another video. Dw Ik seths planning to put the scan in his Naruto vs Ichigo vid too.
@@KingBullet123 it's actually explained when the toad teaches Naruto Senjutsu he says that chakra is spiritual energy+physical stamina and enhances power
@@KingBullet123 do you know when that video is coming out. Its been like 2 years
@@f.sanrdy4648 Seth is hesitant because whatever side loses is going to unsubscribe to him 🤣
@@boss_man6939 not really anymore. As a fan of both Naruto and Bleach I'm just exited fo the animation itself.
Yo bullet, If the term is used as "weaving or threading" then that isn't a creation feat bc the "rope" used to "thread" was already there. Also, a lot of people could say that "creating dimensions" is a hyperbole. Unless you can scale DC = Durability then you cant use it as a feat. Just a question.
Its a kinetic energy feat. You can’t destroy or create energy regardless. So creation and recycling are still the same. Most fiction function like that. Naruto uses chakra to convert that in to kinetic energy hence we get a feat, etc.
@@KingBullet123 oh okay thanks.
Of of course Naruto is a demigod
Also where it states "creating dimensions" to the right it says that she transports the people forcibly.
The bold text.
i know this is off topic. but where would you scale jin mori. im kinda confused ??
Jin Mori has 4D existence that would make all 3D existence's AP/DC useless since he has unconventional physiology that ignores rules of lower-dimensional worlds/universes
@@trascendentalreader34 so what would people consider him. solar system level ? do you know ? I was never good with this stuff sorry
Prime mori is outerversal
@@Lusciouscapybara base naruto actually claps mori cuz mori in the manga currently isnt even uni+
A Video on 7G Guy would be nice(When you have the time)👌
🤧 nice vid I like it
Naruto vs meliodas
Naruto vs Ichigo
Naruto vs Saitama
Naruto vs ichigo is definitely the most interesting
Naruto >>>>> meliodas
Naruto >>>>> Saitama
Anime naruto >= manga ichigo
Manga naruto > manga ichigo
@@i.us.u5153 Fax
@@technore9029 Naruto So6p = Ichigo True Bankai
New form Naruto >>>>> Ichigo.
the only decent one would be ichigo
Lets not forget that naruto also had 50% of his chakra pulled from fused momoshikki because momoshikki was scared
That’s Kurama’s chakra. Not his own.
@@DocMustafa might as well be his own he was literally born with karuma and got karuma sealed in him soon as he came out the wound his mother was the jinchuriki before him
Isn't base naruto = to momshiki
Base momoshiki definitely
I'd say base Momoshiki
@@KingBullet123 bullet could you pls tell me what are naruto multipliers in kcm1 kcm2 spsm (no chakra mode) and spsm(with chakra mode) pls respond
@@hrujjgjjebrhrjr5970 they aren’t inherently multipliers
@@KingBullet123 what about kido statmeant sorry for bad english pls respond
and many people think he is weaker than sage naruto vs pain :D
Ikr
What would u say naruto's mode multipliers are?
I hope we'll get a breakdown on it someday.
*Always has been* .....no seriously. I been sayim this for the longest lol
We gotta stop running into each other
@@turnerbrawley4715 Nah nah nah. Dont try and make it seem like im part of it. This is all you!! 😂
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 lol 😂
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 can i ask you somthing about bijuu in naruto
@@hrujjgjjebrhrjr5970 Sure.
KingBullet,
How strong is naruto compared goku?
And, 3D is what level exactly?
Nevermind I figured it out.
3 dimensional is High Universal.
But please answer my first question.
@@TheOccurrence0 Goku's Universal+ to Low Multiversal atm Naruto can be argued that high but its more so the highball and Gokus is more objective
@@notcensored3917 Which Goku is
Universal+?
Ultra Instinct is 4D = Multiversal.
I just want to see full power naruto
against goku because I want to know.
And I'm not saying that naruto is stronger than goku.
@@TheOccurrence0 BOG till Zamasu arc where he likely reaches Low Multiversal, Ultra Instinct is more so Low Multiversal just higher into the tier, Multipliers don't bump you up tiers when u reach Uni+ basically cause the multipliers wont account for the distant between said Universes (basically a 5D axis) just the Universes themselves. And I never said you did I was explaining the tiers Naruto could be argued to.
Naruto is strong but fodder compared to Goku. Period, Goku can literally one shot the verse
In the war Naruto pretty much gave everyone the potieintial to reach his Bijuu mode power. By The Last legit 12-15 people have already made it to 6 gates.
yo bullet have you seen hapi's ridiculous vid saying luffy would stomp naruto
He does this all of this for attention. Ignore him.
@@KingBullet123 i know all this dude does is spread false info and get gullible people to believe him
Can you link the vid for delta vs 18 king bullet
Let's go more Bullet content
do you think you lost to thundergod or won?
I officially won that hence I progressed in the tourney
Ayo if bullet don’t get 1000 subs I’m finna rage
Make a Why Obito is stronger than you think showing how truly powerful he is. Guys underrated.
Hell yea base Naruto video 😈😈😈
So your basically saying if all of naruto/boruto fused they would be beyond solar system? If that were true cell would be a joke character in db. Cell can solo all of onepiece/naruto/boruto
You never watch naruto right even base momoshiki is multi solar system to galaxy level and shibai alone is high multiversal+ so need to fuse them
@@itachi-weasel how is shibai multiversal
@@Walter-gc2wz old comment 😕
I don't know where he scale currently
@@itachi-weasel wow old comment it’s a month old and the chapters are monthly nothing has changed
@@Walter-gc2wz well shibai leak feat so its stupid to now scale him
I can explain how he is high multiversal tho 😕
You are telling me that a base Shikamaru who shadow paralyzed base momoshiki who could not break out of it but had to absorb the jutsu is stronger than every single Nara clan member amped 100s if not 1000s of times by Kurama because they could not restrain the 10 tails and the 10 tails is Kaguya basically if not weaker.
Yes… f Boruto scaling am I right? The Kage without Naruto would slam Madara lol
@@hainguyn948 Sakura is not soloing bijudara
Didnt the naruto verse get debunked by hapi, aero and seth?
Lol no
1. I beat hapi like 5 times in a row.
2. I’m debating aero post rakuzan god of Naruto tourney
3. Seth just said it was ify not that it’s not a meta.
@@KingBullet123 did you debate aero on naruto being universal? Also what does ify mean?
@@karansharifi3894
1. Idk he wants to debate using comp femto, Aero’s specialty
2. it means seth doesn’t inherently disagree only that there’s problems with the meta.
I know. Base Naruto is stronger than Kaguya, he actually negs using Boil Release. And completely blitzes. Finally someone gets it...
🧢
Do u think naruto mastered six path sage mode in his base form? Is that why naruto could fight momokishi in base?
@@omnijonn277 i mean he also received ashura's chakra, remember hagoromo saying ' I can see ashura's chakra clinging to you'
@@nagatouzumaki4628 Imagine how strong Hokage Naruto be if he was trained by Whis, fusing psuedo God ki and six path Chakra, and trained by Merus in the time room. I have no doubt he can stomp Ishikki in base!
@@omnijonn277 yeah
I think narutos full sospkcm +10tails is far great then Ishhiki.his barion mode isnt his strongest form
Did you use naruto's new form?
He didn't
It only base naruto
@@bisha5388 we gotta get naruto's new form scaled tbh.
I think it's like equal to 3 narutos.
Im not sure i agree with the idea that urashiki was the strongest of his clan.
I mean urashiki is non canon to the series. Therefore making any statements regarding him non-canonical. He cannot be used in actual power scaling so technically any feats regarding him are N/A. If he is referred to as most powerful, it is purely for that specific plots purposes but doesn’t really have any connection to the overall story. Just a cool side story to tell basically. I hope this helped with your concerns regarding Urashiki vs. actual canon of Naruto.
Yo kingbullet please reply😔 I’m hearing that with any multiplyer you would have to prove it boost speed and strength linearly is that true? If so how would you go about proving that?
So usually I’d stack to base and you might get seth saying some are additions. However the ms multiplier is 3-10 via chakra. And sage multiplier should be 10x from base. Those should be fine since otherwise the increases would be non existent EOS. Which is definitely not the case.
@@KingBullet123 yea Ik that but debaters are saying you have to prove it’s like a 1:1 ratio with speed and strength like it amps both equally. like for example the Sage mode multiplyer via the curse Mark argument the scan says his strength increased by 10x but it Dosen’t mention speed ofc Sage mode amps speed but it never states by how much so debaters ask you to prove speed and Ap were a linear increase that’s why I’m asking is that a valid refutation or is there a way to counter it?
@@vinno5901 oh yh, vs battle say that. An easy way to prove it applies to combat strength which includes stamina, power and speed, is the cm2 is stated to increase strength by 10x. Chakra by 10x and when sasuke uses it he goes from getting blitzed by kn1 Naruto to being relative in speed. So logic follows that its a speed multiplier too.
@@KingBullet123 hmm makes sense also I need help with a calculation I’m trying to do how would you go about calculating the speed of a character who can drag energy from all 88 constellations in seconds?
@@vinno5901
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:100th_Hokage/FTL_Hagoromo_Feat
fictionscaling.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:100th_Hokage/MFTL%2B_Momoshiki_Feat
chould you do sasuke
who do u think would win Yhwach o Isshiki
Isshiki is faster and stronger but ywach has good hax so probably a 50 50
@@jeromejustice4973 yeah.
Basically base naruto is almost as strong as fused momushiki who is stronger than kaguya by a pretty large amount which kaguya is atleast planetary and at max multi star level and even without kurama naruto is still MTFL+ and his sage mode got massively stronger than the sage mode in the pain and war arc (the previous sage mode is atleast a 18x multiplier for naruto)
And this new version is atleast a 50x multiplier (hypothetical not confirmed)
Overall present naruto full power would scale from star level to high solar system level with MTFL+ speed (my ahh is not official divine💀)
Btw this isnt even prime naruto when he was in bm so in bm he is atleast low black hole level and at highest VERY LOW galaxy level
(Yes he negs g5 luffy)
@@Daisybabbbbyhe is universal
Good vid and Ik your just telling them what the high ball is but I’ve seen this trend lately we’re everyone is high balling characters and it’s just wrong vs debates are supposed to be low ball vs low ball
well that's not 100% true Debates are whatever you scale your character to.
@@oxiclean8536 if u can prove it but low ball is most consistent that’s why it’s a low ball or as I call it a fair ball your just wanking for fishing for feats when u try to make characters stronger there for have inconsistencies in your argument
@@roselelouch3038 well the opponent has to pick out the inconsistencies and attack your scaling
5:41 you must be mad to think sakura is nearly as strong as saitama, saitama solos naruto/boruto verses, he withstood the gravity of a black hole easily, literally no effort.
be mad kid. Sakura solos saitama
@@heartlessjay490 no, you are really stupid to say that, Sakura is not nearly as fast or strong to do shit to him
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creation =/= destruction, kaguya creating dimensions doesn't really mean she can destroy them
Yes it does because she needs to tank the counterforce of the energy produce, and she is relative in ap to ppl who can harm this durability
Also yes she states she capable of destroying her dimensions too
@@KingBullet123 is it stated in the manga or the anime?
@@TheBengaliG Its state by Black zetsu that she is gonna destroy the dimension so yeah she can
@@clarenzhernandez4249 oh, can you tell me where it's stated? like in the manga or anime?
@@TheBengaliGboth anime and manga and one mistake it was Kakashi who said that
The only characters that are otsutsukis that can get defeated or bodied by Naruto in base form (hokage) is toneri that dude that fought pervy sage momoshiki (momoshiki stronger but Naruto kage base family rasengan techniques still defeated him) kinshiki and kaguya I can’t think of anyone else in my head I mean, I guess I can include hagoromo and Indra and ashura yeah kage Naruto base can pretty much solo them but definitely not jigen or iishiki he needs baryon mode
1:14 - After you said that i can turn off video because you are really bad in this universe
Lmao does he work for a circus?
Adult Naruto kcm2 plus sage > fused momoshiki > adult base Naruto > base momoshiki > shippudden
Base Naruto is low to high planetary level of ap with ftl to ftl+ speed ( one shot tensegan and that thing is going to protect tonari and hinata from moon crashing into earth with falls in planetary rang , 2nd feat I have is Naruto pushing back tonari beam which can cut the moon and force the two part to move away from each other and he push it in base for doing that he have to be 4× stronger than the beam, 3rd one shot tonari again he did that in base ( don't bring that chakra cloaked hand because his whole body can tank that force ) and that version of tonari is stronger than the one who is going to destroy earth and moon by blasting them 4th go up against fus momo . Now for speed he dodge multiple photon beams in a weaker state so he is probably many times faster in base 2nd go hand to hand against fus momo who should be ftl+ may be Higher 3rd should be faster than darui who can use laser circus and black lightning both are light speed attack and LC us light based attack.
Current Naruto even in toad sage mode is already dated to be weaker than Code with limiters...
probably cause code is the new threat the big comparison is kaguya and base naruto smacks
@@hect0e683 toad sage mode Naruto is already to be said weaker than Limiter Code...Prime Naruto isn’t stronger than Hagoromo who has everything Both Naruto and Sasuke have and more and all of the power that Hagoromo and Hamura had come form one being which is Kaguya. Current Naruto is on the level of pain arc Naruto.
@CollabX look everything about Naruto is drastically weaker even his base form. Naruto doesn’t have Kurama and Hagoromo’s chakra amping his base form with regeneration and chakra all he has right now is half a Uzumaki chakra which is 4 times Kakashi’s chakra and sage mode(toad sage mode) which is very limited in time and he is still gathering from clones exactly like in the Pain arc...some people actually believe that just because 15 years passed he has actually become much stronger because of it...that’s just a lie and it has never been stated anything that indicatesthat what we know is that characters that have dozens of more years of Shinobi training than Naruto like Jiraya and Kakashi and other genius shinobi do not get much stronger by regular Shinobi training...what made Naruto be Anything close to Otsusuki level was never his regular Shinobi training it was always the enhancements in his body given by Kurama and by Hagoromo currently he has none of those...toad sage mode is nothing and I mean nothing compared to Otususki level no matter how much you train regular Shinobi training doesn’t make you much stronger you reach a certain peak level with it and then the only way to go up in a scale that actually makes a difference is by having alien enhancements to your body like bijju chakra, Otususki chakra or elite dojutsu’s that comes from Otsusuki themselves. It’s like Kawaki said in the manga Shinobi training won’t get you nowhere and like AO said in the manga as well not everyone is as lucky as Naruto to have Allien enhancements introduced in to their body and no matter how much you train you’ll never be in their level. Kurama when died said that Naruto he won’t be able to use Jutsu like before...it has already been foreshadowed that Naruto will be running out of sage mode in mid fight against Code(by that interaction with Shikamaru) how much Rasengan shurikens do you think Naruto will take until he runs out of chakra and Sage mode? 4 maybe 5? It’s time to accept Naruto is a great character ones of the greatest but his time is almost up and no character stays up there forever.
@@izmeman6265 delusion
@@ricardomadleno564 I know this is late but to think that Naruto didn't train in some way and got weaker in base form as he got over is kind of stupid. Just like you said there isn't nothing to state he has got stronger in base, there also isn't really nothing saying he hasn't.
Plus I'm pretty sure Naruto in base form with 50% of his chakra was able to swap hands with Momoshiki fused with Kinshiki.
NaRuTo Vs MeLiOdAs
naruto solos nanatsuverse
@@yunche2841 truee(not talking about chaos) but he can solo the demon king as well
@@yunche2841 yeah
@@ghost_0075 Chaos can be sealed tho
@@ghost_0075naruto base >>> chaos
Why Tobirama is Planetary? Does he scale to Half Power Kurama?
He’s up there yeah his paper bombs are no joke
@@too_official6194 I've talked about his sheer AP
@@joaolucasmachadolinhares4631 ya
It depends how weaker than he is to hashirama
@@sharderhone3201 tobiriama def strong but 2 tiers below hashirama sagemode
Do a boruto scaling video
watch his scale him to continental
base naruto solos ur favorite verse confirmed
Naruto > Goku (bro Goku fanboys r gonna be mad :skill:)
But what new jutsus does base naruto have in the end of shippuden without using any modes? Can he beat sasuke full power without going into a mode
He would have all jutsu you could do with mastery of all 5 basic nature elements since he got knowledge of all 5 nature energy
@@justableachfan1199 thanks
He literally fights Sasuke at the end of shippuden, why are you asking this
So you put base naruto at star level since he can fight off momoshikki in a weakened base and he was stated stronger than kaguya
idk about star level but momoshiki in base was at full power in that fight it was naruto with 50% of his chakra cut so the advantage was his and naruto still kept up
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Naruto is easily universal
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@@saidafouad541 he is
@@Jonah-c6z yes, is universal in your dreams😂😂😂😂😂.
This vid is seggsy ngl
Debate king anime review he lowballs base naruto no 9 tails under Sakura
Base Form Hokage Naruto >>>>> Goku Saiyan Saga.
Hhhhmmmm🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Base goku post top >>>>>>>>>>>>naruto full power
@@jeromejustice4973 wdym pre top lmao base goku battle of gods solos the naruto and borutoverse
@@Islamwithtalha nah not pre top but post top whould beat naruto
@@jeromejustice4973 pre top is low multiversal and naruto is multi solar lol
Momoshiki vs Beerus
Beerus solos the verse
Beerus solos. Momo is like solar system+ to Beerus, who is universall+.
@@marietanancheva2166 momoshiki is universal plus
@@kfcsean-kensei1562 Hyphotetically. Momo creates a parralel dimension, which doesn't necesserally means parralel universe. We don't know how he did, but considering the fact that he gets his powers from the chakra fruits and the God tree and how much time it took. Like orochimaru's snake dimension, it isn't universe sized, nor is the tsykoyoumi dimension. Momo's dimension is seen as solar system as his dc. Now, for sure he is atleast Solar system+. The giudes aren't always accurate too, like the Haku being Light speed one, but let's say they are. Momoshiki also isn't a fighter, one of the main reasons he was trashed easily, he needed Kinshiki, so he can fight them. He is more of a creator. Kinshiki is also stated to split worlds, which in japanese usually means universe, but it can also mean planets,and he can, but usually doesn't. Like Boros, who is stated for him to can destroy stars, but never does. Also, about Kaguya's ESTSB attack, it was imlied that it would destroy the dimension, but again, that isn't necesserally universall level. It was stated above planet level, nothing else. And space and time is more of a large observes in the universe. Now, enough for the hypothothecall downplay, even if we say Momoshiki's like universall+ Beerus still wins, especially if now he scales to current Goku.
@@marietanancheva2166 it clarified that it was a dimension/universe
terrible scaling
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Lmfao
@@KingBullet123 its terrible. You use vague statements to downplay kaguya. Pre fruit Kaguya isnt stated weaker than kaguya. Only lower rank and that was isshiki. Neiji was lower rank than hinata and neiji was stronger
@@gamabumda4196 “kaguya is weaker that kaguya” ight dude if you say so.
Also it was literally stated she was the scarifice because she she was weaker in some translations. The rest of the scaling is kinda self explanatory.
100% not stronger then Kaguya that should be clear.
Negative
@@emastermet609 nop
True bro
@@somehowanybody7229 lol ik but people don’t understand in the novels Sasuke was a THREAT not more powerful or can beat her a threat to kaguya yet people think Sasuke is stronger
Wow what a trick u played first I saw base Naruto is stronger than kaguya.kaguya is 10 tails jinchuriki.if base Naruto is stronger than kaguya he could have kicked ishiki with his single hand.
What a load of BS
Can you debunk it tho?
@@itachi-weaselEasily
@@biotorex8999 than do it
@@itachi-weasel Read chapter 1 to 10 chapter I. Boriuto. It shows Fused Momo>SoSP Naruto>base Momo>>>>>base Naruto.
Base naruto isn't stronger than kaguya lmao.I don't see base naruto soloeing hogoromo and hamura.Base naruto can't even beat delta
Yes he is
No,Base Naruto is stronger than Delta
@@destinyamvs1917 Bruh base naruto got stabbed by shin and all base naruto has is shwodow clones and rasengan
@@remindepoadje7142 You obviously don't read the manga.Naruto had to go spsm to beat delta and she still pushed him
@@destinyamvs1917 So your telling me base naruto who can't even beat delta can solo hogoromo and hamura like kaguya did?
Lol isn't base naruto weaker than delta?
@vicky Akbar p.p lol yeah he was also extracting info out of her too
@vicky Akbar p.p She still made spsm naruto struggle and base naruto wasn't toying with delta
@@mightguy3118 you do realize he was holding back
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 there were kids around. Time to get serious
@@Dressing007 yeah ik but he was holding but really because the writers couldn't think of a way to make delta equal to naruto
How are Kage above hagaromo he can solo the verse
What in the world
Hagoromo is weaker then kaguya
Hagormo also is weaker then indra
@@tano3166 have u watched naruto?
@@destinyamvs1917 yes
Hagoromo literally says that madara is approaching his power
So madara is close to hagoromo power
@@tano3166 that's contradicted several times
Kaguya above prime Hagoromo ? How do you changed your mind ?
Only in power and speed not hax
@@KingBullet123 speed? Can you explain why?
@@oliverhargadon2944 because he had only ever been shown relative to kaguya in stats. The only reason Hagoromo is considered the god of the verse is because of his insane hax. Creation of all things jutsu.
@@KingBullet123 ive seen scales for him to be innacessable, due to the statement of him being an oddity of time, what are your thoughts on that?
Great vid