This is the strange thing about American culture. Sex is considered beyond the pale, but graphic violence is A-OK. From what I've heard, in Europe it's the opposite.
@@whitemakesright2177 not sure if opposite, but sex is very normal thing here, Parents aren't really protective of their children and for the most part don't try to prevent their kids getting perverted. Truth Is sex is just a normal thing in a relationship (romantic one, although friends with benefits is a thing) meanwhile violence is looked down upon, we do not like games fantasizing this stuff as we don't want it in our culture, but in a medieval fantasy it is normal, after all Europe was extremely violent in the past.
@@morganc.m1830 being overprotective just actively hurts the child, at the late teens sex becomes very desirable, at least for young men, and becomes a powerful thing, there is really no reason to stop them from having it, if you stop them they'll just do the deed with porn, which is by the way much worse as it actively damages the brain and can cause an addiction that's nearly impossible to break. It's not like you can stop teens doing the stuff they want, if you won't support them they'll just do it behind your back. I am a teen by the way so I know this, most teens do not care what their parents tell them.
@@fachrizaltofumeanwhile that one part of the mod community: hey guys how do I install the mod where Serena turns into a female vampire lord and tops the DB!!!?
If you hear a bit about sapphires' background, she was a ***** slave to a band of bandits that took over her families pig farm. It is one of the heaviest heartbreaking stories in skyrim.
Who'd want to bang in this game? It's cold as shit, there's dragons flying around, the dead have risen, vampires stalk the night, and everyone looks like a baked potato.
Very fair point. To add to this apparently if you get pregnant and have a baby, it comes out already between the ages of 9 - 12 and somehow looks like every other kid just with different hair
When you go to Haelga’s private quarters in the bunkhouse, there’s a good few “details” laid around the room which is probably the most direct reference to intimacy in the game
Also on Solstheim, where the reeklings collect an alarming amount of erotic literature and statuettes of a certain goddess, which they sometimes just pile up in a specific tent. I don't want to imagine what is going on in there...
The weirdest thing about Skyrim NPCs is that all potential love interests are bi-sexual. Yet there isn't any gay couples in Skyrim Edit: I was already aware of the dead couple on Solstheim. No need to tell me for the 80th time.
It makes sense that the only one powerful enough to challenge the 'no gay marriage' law of the kingdom is someone who can kill a time travelling god of destruction. What makes it weird and confusing is that none of the characters have a built in preference, they're all just as down to fuck the time-terrorist dragonborn. It feels rushed and forced, a little creepy, tbh. "Yeah, dude, I'll marry you. Just don't send me back 1000 years or whatever" type beat.
@@gaddiusgaddium9082 To be fair, the priest guy did say that is how Skyrim people are. But obviously, from a meta standpoint, the writers included that line so players aren't surprised that someone would agree to marry you right after you help find their keys for them.
@@someonesilence3731 I'm aware of that example. This further makes the lack of gay couples in Skyrim strange. I'm guessing from a meta standpoint, it would be hard or controversial for Bethesda to write about how people feel about homosexuality in the Elder Scrolls universe. So it is something that is alluded to rather than addressed.
I should point out that this book was first introduced in Morrowind. There was even a quest where Crassius Curio is looking for a troupe to perform it.
@@Ethan-ob6kz You can't just self report like this man, watch the video before commenting. The sex is the initial hook for the video, the real arguments are much more important and well founded
@@Gyovali I watched it through, and the whole sex stuff is a dumb argument, as i said in another comment, some of his other arguments actually have a decent point. But the whole video is just weird and senseless.
Same Ive added basic lewd mods to add a little level of immersion. Im not a fan of the over the top, fuck anything and everything mods. Sadly as for spouses, there are next to no mods that make them feel like spouses :/
@@periplanetamissionarysadly. I’m a console player ( I don’t own a pc ) and for some reason those types of mods arnt allowed yet you can have giant boobed NPCs or players cause “it’s not revealing” It’s still nsfw? It’s a kink. ( I’m talking giant giant boobs. Like. Unrealistic size )
It's probably not a good argument to compare the college of winter hold to modern colleges. This is more akin to a guild. The students are not necessarily young or even on their own for the first time.
@@Bob-bs9ok but as far as I understand the majority of the people in IRL college are students. The winterhold college accepts new members and they do teach, but it seems more that you are a member for life. And students might eventually teach and use college resources for their own ends. Like I said it's like a job with apprentices.
@@MRdaBakkle probably depends on the institution but it's not uncommon for colleges to have large research staffs in addition to just teaching staff. And this isn't even including administrative staff and graduate/post-grad/older students. And given how the college of winterhold in described it's not surprising that it would have more older students and faculty. Also, even ignoring how a wizard's apprentice is a common trope, apprenticeships are something that still commonly happen either as an internship or actual apprenticeship.
@@Bob-bs9ok yes. Which is why think it's more like an on the job apprenticeship. I wouldn't say a blacksmith guild is a college. Rather a group of blacksmiths each have their own practice, and then apprentice blacksmiths work and learn on the job. It's not a traditional modern college and that was my entire point.
"what was the point of putting in the marriage system if Bethesda was just gonna half-ass it like this?" that is a question that could be asked about Skyrim as a whole.
The RUclipsr Gunmetal has a great video about Skyrim called "Why Skyrim Sucks," and his conclusion is that it sucks not just because of a few half-assed systems, or shallow writing, but because everything about it is surface level only.
@@whitemakesright2177 Kinda why it's the most popular game to mod, so that the community comes together and finally freshes out all the surface level stuff.
@@whitemakesright2177 Why would I watch a video that has a completely inaccurate, ragebait title? Regardless, you should watch "Why is there no other game like Skyrim" by No Cap Gaming. He debunks all the meme criticism of Skyrim that you just listed.
There is one pregnant NPC in Skyrim but other than that I must agree that no one else seems to want anything to do with sex. Also all kids are the same age so weird.
There’s two actually-the redguard Seren in Dawnstar and the elf priestess of Mara, Dinya, in Riften Seren and her husband will tell you they’re expecting, but for Dinya you have to overhear her talking with Maramal about it
@@KoewlBag a similar issue to the kids being the same age is that every adult of every race and gender are all the same height. In morrowind the races and genders are all different heights, but in skyrim every character uses the same model of the same height, and they don't even scale them differently.
Now I’m wondering if we the player where actually killed either from being hit in the head when we were captured or at the chopping and everything that happens is the last few signals bouncing in the brain before complete death. It would explain why we are a hero, why we are not instantly arrested or killed when telling the jarl of whiterun what happened nor in solitude where the empire has a foothold, and why no matter the race we pick why we are the Dragonborn, why all adults are the same height, kids are all the same age, all kids have the same base model, and every odd thing.
@@WumboGuySkyrim definitely scales character models differently. High Elves are the tallest, and female Bretons and female Khajit are tied for the shortest.
Meanwhile, one of the most memorable exchanges in Oblivion was a woman asking the player what the penalty is for necrophilia and being overjoyed at how much cheaper it is in Cyrodiil than it was in Morrowind.
Being fair, that would be true because Dark Elves practice Ancestor Worship. Hence you can call on your ancestor guardian as a racial power. They're not going to want you to bone down with... their departed loved one's long dead bones. o.O
@@passingrando6457 True but honestly, nothing can really top Khajiit men iwth barbs from a book that's being explicit in what's going on unlike the Lusty Argonian Maid.
7:09 I mean, sex is very much hinted at. Off the top of my head, Falk Firebeard in Solitude and the female thane clearly have a relationship, Sapphire from the thieves guild is implied to have been raped in the past by the bandits who attacked her family's farm, there are a few NPCs in taverns who either flirt with you or cheer on you to flirt with others (like the "Shor's bones, a handsome man in Falkreath!" girl) and of course Haelga whom you've brought up I agree that the character work in Skyrim is shallow, and in that regard I think you articulate your point very well, but why bury it under the false claim that sex isn't even alluded to in Skyrim? And most importantly, why is a lack of sexual content an issue? There's no sex in Lord of the Rings, either. And sex isn't what makes us human, otherwise dolphins are more human than our own children. Seriously (genuine question), why is sex so important that it's at the core of your critique?
Here's a few more examples that I can think of: Alva in Morthal will attempt to seduce other NPCs. Benor will even respond "But I won't cuckhold another man" lol In Dragon Bridge, Horgeir's brother, Lodvar, is having an affair with his wife Olda behind his back. Arondil in Yngvild is making undead slaves. If your character is female he will even say, "Ah, another plaything for my collection." Erikur's interaction with Brelas during Elenwen's party at the Thalmor Embassy during Diplomatic Immunity. Bothela's quest to deliver a "Stallion's Potion" to the steward of Markarth.
Agreed, and I'm curious about this, too. Quests and writing in Skyrim being watered down compared to other games, or even previous titles in the same series, isn't a new argument and can be a very good point, especially since the "roleplaying" part keeps increasingly getting the shaft over time. A game not or not having obvious explicit content/suggestive material is also a fine reason to personally not like it, if that's what you prefer your games to be. To use Skyrim as an example of lack is odd when, by the video author's own admission, the other games he mentioned were trying to be gritty/"mature" or appeal to certain people using certain things, which Skyrim wasn't super interested in doing, using, or being. You fight dragons and stab bandits while a war happens, pretty standard fantasy RPG fare. The presentation and tone can be anything with that setup and doesn't have to be that of other games. Witcher has Geralt up in girls' beds because he's a womanizer; it's part of his character to the point that there's even collectable cards revolving around this in the game series, and this trait is somehow even more present in the books. Dragon Age has it because BioWare found out that making their games a dating sim with a "payoff" got people talking more than the actual story/gameplay when it came to their products (which they should have examined more critically if they wanted to fix that), so they gave their audience what they seemed to want, to varying reactions. Mass Effect turned into the same thing. Both of these make sense for what they are. Bethesda makes games with "freedom" in mind, sometimes to its detriment. You're given a general role for a main quest and that's about it. Skyrim has a blank slate character who can be anyone as a person. Having something pre-established as a personality trait like Geralt doesn't make a lot of sense character-ward, nor does forcing them into sexual situations world-ward since it's not what the games are going for. This already limits a lot of what the player will end up seeing since it's not happening -to them-, and most people are wont do that behind closed doors. TES doesn't have a huge focus on sex in general and has no reason to. It's something that just happens in the background, like irl but without ads/adult websites/social media to constantly remind you that it's happening... at least until we hit TES's AI spaceship future, then you can take your bets. Occasionally you get someone who can't keep it in their pants, like the mentioned Crassius, but the video indirectly admits he's kind of an oddity in the series. His existence in Morrowind isn't really an argument for anything except that risque original fanfiction is a lucrative untapped market in Tamriel. Would including someone like him in Skyrim improve it, or even fulfill the content criteria NEF lists as enough of a hint? Very subjective. While it's not super obvious, there are lots of references to sex going on if you pay attention or just scroll the comments down here. If the player wants something more explicit to change the game into something that's more to their taste, that's what mods are for. To make "I don't actually see people boinking" a central critique on a game not at all about showing that off that is weird on its own since that's personal taste, but using an incorrect point like "there's not even a hint of sex in the game" when there's plenty of reference to anyone paying attention makes it seem like there is no valid point being made. It's like arguing there HAS to be sex scenes in every movie, just in case I wasn't focused and wouldn't catch it if the characters implied later that something happened. It makes it hard to take seriously, and I'm not sure where he's going with it.
Exactly, I don't think there should be. I guess you have Game of Thrones for that. And besides, I can't enjoy that show although I really wanted to, and I wouldn't have Skyrim at all because of ptsd if that content was in it. And there actually is some s*xual content in the game. There is plenty to tell you that it definitely is going on in the world. Helga (in Riften), the dungeon Yngvild with Arondil's Journal (which is very disgusting to read about), and the L*sty Argonian Maid and S*ltry Argonian Bard. That's what I can think of off of the top of my head a sof now. But, it's definitely there. You just don't ever see it (which is great).
Not just hinted at, pretty much just stated. She said they took advantage of or had their way with her, which is pretty much saying it! (Agreeing with you)
When it comes to Romance in games I personally prefer how Mass effect does it. As it has enough to it to feel satisfying if you engage with it but doesn't comprise so much of the games that your experience isn't significant lessed if kept on a potonic level.
The original DA was like that. I miss those kinds of games. RPGs are now too s3×ual or no romance. Tbh, I don't want the bedroom bounce in my games, I just want romance with blackout screens. Fable 2 comes to mind.
@@AmieEss Yet, that was the point with Fable was for it to be cringe. It wasn't fodder for those who partake in weird self pleasure because that's what modern games are. It's gross to think about....but it's true, and we all know what those specific folk do. Fable was peak British humor and so overly stupid.
Bioware is really goated on the romance department. I remember playing DA: Inquisition for the first time back in 2017. Just being blown away by how endeared I could grow to a set of voice lines and computer code. They make a really good job of presenting rugged, fearsome characters and later unveiling more personal, sensitive sides to them as you get to know them better. (How it usually works in real life too lol). Vetra and Cassandra remain some of my favorite characters for that reason
I don't remember the exact circumstances surrounding it, but in many cases it's physically impossible to even get to the fight before they finish it off. Even if you do make it in time, it's not like they're shouting for help so you've really got no reason to jump in and help them. Especially as a first-time player, not even knowing what's going on, maybe not even having noticed it. In fact, I'd say a good portion of first-time players never even saw the giant alive. I know I was one of them. Which makes it even weirder to get told off for it. It certainly doesn't give a good impression for the Companions.
@@-tera-3345 Yeah, that part sketches me out. When I get there, I always remember to sprint for the giant because I'm traumatized over the dozen first times I arrived just in time to see the giant fall and thought DAMN!
Of the marriage candidates, Brelyna Maryon is probably one of the better options: You can actually hold multiple conversations with her, help her work, and being a companion, can generally hang out. Still not a whole lot of meat, but it's more than some options, where the mercenaries are willing to marry you immediately, if memory serves.
@morganc.m1830 I believe it was Ahzirr Traajijazeri but I'd have to go hunting to find it. Basically it was a Khajiit telling the reader if they had no one male or female to spend the cold lonely night with, then to find someone, anyone.
Good video that really gets to the heart of Bethesda's issue with lack of depth. Breadth is good but it's always very shallow. How strange is it to hear NPCs talk about how Kahjeets are banned from cities yet you can just walk into a city as a cat and only occasionally hear a few lines from npcs about you being a cat. Or how you can be a storm cloak argonian and it doesn't really get brought up how weird that is...
Stormcloak Argonians can make sense, depending on their history. The Empire allowed Argonian slavery for countless years, so I could see an Argonian's hate for the Empire overriding their distaste for the Nords' racism.
I would argue that Jarls having kids with no wife shows the *opposite* of sexlessness. They’re.. doing the nasty.. outside of marriage often enough to have as many as three kids. Also, have you not seen the books in this game? Crazy
most of those books (and the books in general) were carried over from older games and made by the same badass master-writers that wrote Pelinal Whitestrake or Saint Jiub. bethesda's newer writers barely wrote shit and what they did write was half-baked and incredibly uninspired. why do you think Starfield sucked? gamewise it was mostly fine, even design was passable, but the writing was absolutely horrendous.
You're actually reinforcing the point. Why do only a few of the Jarls have wives, and only a few have children? In the real world, getting married and producing heirs was part of the job description as a noble. It was not optional. Not only that, they don't have any other family, either, and in fact, no one does, with only a handful of exceptions. Makes the world feel very small and artificial. To be fair, Oblivion and Morrowind had the same issue to some extent.
Kind of confused as to what you're going for because yeah they aren't blatant about it but there's a couple of implied scenes, and one of the divines basically has pleasure cults. If you sleep near a bed with a spouse you gain a buff called lovers embrace. Again none of it is really blatant but it is there
There's references to sex all throughout the game through character dialogue. And the fact there are people who are married pretty much means they are having sex. It's just not in your face about it. I.E. mature about it.
Or because the game shouldn't be tainted with that bs. It is disgusting and, for me, ptsd triggering anyway, so I'm extremely glad it doesn't. Go get mods if you don't like that.
seriously. I try and have a bro moment with gale and 2 seconds in he's all “you want sum dick?“ That game makes it really hard to just be friends with the party.
BG3 is a good game but it demonstrates precisely why romance and character focused story beats are so detrimental to good writing. Any relationship outside of a romance is tepid and unnuanced. You can only really know a character through romance when good writing can do so much more with balancing how people express themselves with different types of relationships. Someone you hate could be as familiar and exciting as someone you love.
@@loadishstone See that was my problem with the game too. Almost all meaningful relationships you make in the game are romantic rather than platonic. I don't mind the devs opening up romance options for almost all the origins, but I feel like they could've done more to allow players to strengthen relationships without resulting in flirtatious advances.
"The Ring Dang Doo, now what is that? It's soft and round like a pussy cat A hole in the middle and split in two; That's what you call the Ring Dang Doo!"
Sex isn't the point of the game. If you really want to go watch people have sex, there are plenty of other games and website for that. I enjoy that Skyrim isn't just another horny RPG game. Let it be a simply fun RPG with good stories and adventure. Not everything needs to be a horny ocean of sex dungeons and harems.
@WisteriaNerium I understood the points however a lot of his arguments just felt like he just wanted Witcher sex scenes in the game, I know what's not what he said.
One counterpoint is that Skyrim’s sexlessness is actually a good quality. In some ways. Skyrim was played by a lot of kids, and teens unsure of their identities, and the sex free world felt very approachable. You can imagine any level of implied sex, but it will never appear before you, and I find a sense of security in that somehow
Until you remember how pureblooded vampire women like Serana are made :/ No implication of consensual sex and then you're slapped with the Daughters of Coldharbour.
@@murrtdurrtto be fair you need to read atleast somewhat between the lines to Unserstand what molag bal did to them, wouldnt surprise me If many didnt think that hard about it
@@Darkrimo does that mean that Lord Harkon had to go through a similar process or did he just offer up his wife and daughter to get his power. I wonder was he force to watch what Bal did to his daughter and wife.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher i think he says ingame that he was granted the power by offering his Wife and Daugther, i dont think Molag swings that way or atleast all his victims were female this far if i recall correctly
Although sex in the elder scrolls being "taboo" is something but Bethesda's fallouts being sexless is definitely weird since it's the post apocalypse, and there is no superficial structure governing the world
For Fallout it makes perfect sense because it's the post apocalypse, there's no contraception readily available for people and doctors aren't common either, childbirth can be incredibly dangerous for the child and the mother if expert care isn't available, so characters in Fallout wouldn't wanna risk something like that, thereby they'd avoid having unprotected sex
Bethesdas Fallout isn't sexless there are prostitutes in Fallout 3 and in Fallout 4 you can convince the singer lady in GoodNeighbor to sleep with you and that is just off the top of my head I know there's more.
I would say that the Fallout series past the first isn’t really sexless. If anything, the sex feels very… transactional. Fallout 2 let you be a porn star and you could buy condoms as an item in the major cities. Prostitution is super common in 2 and New Vegas. New Vegas had the most nuanced depictions of sexuality, but it also made it where every time you use your sexuality perk it comes with a reward or benefit of some kind which feels very… game-y. I guess they wanted that harsh wasteland do-what-you-need-to-survive feel to it?
To be fair, Bethesda half assed literally everything. Like the dog elements, the combat, the dialogue, the quests, and the romance. The worst victim of this is the civil war quest line, it is soooooo boring
Yup. That couldn't be any more right. To this day excessively violet games are much more tolerated than. Something as simple as a nipple on a statue let alone an npc.
@@utopiandystopia1383 *That,* on the other hand, is something that can be cartoon-abstracted away and nothing is lost. You do not need to be visceral and blatant with gore to convey violence and its (unfortunate but necessary) place in the world. Now, truth be told, I would be fine with both being accepted and neither scorned, and that's what we should work towards, but-- It does baffle me that people are INSANELY prudish to the extent that the mere act of being naked in a completely nonsexual manner is more taboo than blowing someone's brains out with a shotgun. Y'know. Bit of a weird dichotomy there.
As other comments have pointed out, Skyrim does have references to sex, it is just done in a subtle way. Its used only for storytelling purposes and not at all gratuitously. I have many issues with Skyrim, but the amount of sex in it is not one of them. I think its fine how it is. Like you, I prefer games that aren't horny, and its something I consider to be a big negative about BG3.
Me too. I think it's off-putting that every romance route should have sex on your face to be considered good. I haven't done the entire BG3's romance routes because of this. I prefer subtle and "pure" romance like Stardew Valley, HM and Fire Emblem.
You guys know you can completely ignore romance in BG3 and it doesn't impact the game at all, right? Don't get me wrong, the game is horny if you want it to be. But if you don't engage in that with the characters, they drop it. I don't understand not being able to play the game because of that. Sounds like a deeper psychological problem on your end than the game being at fault.
This idea that Skyrim has nothing sexual is incredibly far from accurate and there are a lot of such things that come to mind without even putting in effort to think carefully and find them. Serana can be flirted with in an early conversation, and depending on dialogue options will reveal that something unspeakable which happens to be dirty happened to her (what Molag Bal does to people sometimes). In a secret room in a cave in the Rift, a dead body can be found, triggering a miscellaneous quest in which a woman assumes her husband ran off with "some elven whore." If talking to Vekel the Man, he offers a quest to retrieve some journals written by a necromancer, and reading them reveals the guy to be a pervert of one of the most vile kinds possible. Disturbing read. If sleeping in a bed with your spouse while married, you get a bonus called Lover's Comfort. Just about everything related to Haelga is in some way sexual. She owns a brothel, sleeps with every man she can get, and her entire bedroom is a sex joke. Aela and Skjor are rumored to go on hunts which are heavily implied to also be hookups, and depending on a dialogue choice when joining the Companions she may suggest doing the same with you. Sibbi Black-Briar with instantly come on to you if you talk to him as a woman. There's a woman in Falkreath who happily calls you "handsome" if playing as a man, and suggests in an unsatisfied way that such a sight is unusual there. Mirri Severin in Raven Rock is generally flirtatious when talking at various points, especially if you play as a man. Some male characters say you're making them "unseasonably warm" if you walk near them unclothed. The temple of Dibella has various suggestive dialogue, including a woman saying they offer instruction in the Dibellan arts, which is just fancy ways to do people. There's also a quest there with a permanent status effect as a reward, and if playing as a man the priestess says it's useful for wooing women. If playing as a woman I don't remember but I'm pretty sure she says something about seduction. On the topic of seduction, the vampires (which you should know since you played as one there) have a power literally called seduction. There are also the popular Argonian-oriented innuendo books placed around the world, often in ways to suggest something kinda funny and make a dirty joke using environmental world-building. A note in the Ragged Flagon mentions Delvin likes to sneak up and watch Vex bathe, and he sometimes flirts with her. This list has gotten pretty long just going by what I remember from playing it, and I'm sure I've forgotten some stuff but Skyrim is NOT a clean game by any means. Sexual references are spread all over the place, and they vary a lot in nature with there being funny stuff, horrible and dark stuff, and just plain amorous stuff. Anyone making the claim that it's in any way free from that kind of thing is either incredibly oblivious or just plain doesn't believe their own words. They don't just make every character so horny it's unrealistic like BG3 does, but the fact that I can just toss out such a long list off the top of my head of such material and most of it can be easily found at a low character level makes this whole premise of this video ridiculous.
for real, theres a shitton of sex in skyrim its just not npcs banging on screen, its more bedrolls with flowers and wine, little bits of dialogue, objects laying around with... implications. this just feels like an excuse to criticize an old ass game. like yeah a lot of things in skyrim are shallow; because it was built to be build on but also because there is so so so so much in the game they couldnt do it all.
Hum hum: -What is the title of the most known book in Skyrim ? Yup, the Lusty Argonian Maid. -What are the details of the ceremony to transform Serana to become a Molag Bal (including some unwilling 53x into his dominion) follower ? Yup, "degrading", you don't have the details, maybe because they are wicked. -What are the few statue consecrated by both nordsmen and forsworns ? Dibellla, with blood by the last ones. -In Sanguine quest, you are married with a hagraven, have reminders about a goat... -In Riften, you have a nymphomaniac resorting to bondage, stamina potions for several men, + a letter attesting cheating for another family... -The base model of "The Dunlain Augur" npc reveals he was, as a living mage, a spawn of a breton and a hagraven. To sum up, you have multiple partners affairs, cheating, r4.p.3, p0rn0graphy, s4crifices to 53x deities, b35tiality. And that is vanilla game.
Oh yes it is so unrealistic that people would live a chaste life and not talk about sex or try to get laid with everyone. Not only it is technically false and there is multiples sexual references in the game but also it's a highly liberal occidentalo-centric point of view. Living in Algeria most people don't want to have sex outside of marriage because it is sinful (haram), some young peoples are in relationships in the sense of promising someone to marry them and them promising to marry you and just spending time together without physical contact. Others avoid that all together and it's not rare for a girl or a guy to never be in a relationships before marriage. Not everyone is as chaste of course but even those people avoid to do it in public and a large portion of the population talks about them in a bad way. So no Skyrim isn't bad because it is sexless, for an religious Algerian as myself seeing a guy kissing a girl outside of marriage is already TOO MUCH physical contact. Everybody is free to do wahever they want and I don't want to shame anyone for anything but I know I would never do that. Obviously I don't think Bethesda did this for religious or cultural reasons but it's funny to see liberal occidentals thinking that the way they see relationships as universal natural things that every man and women do and don't think for a second that other cultures or religions exists.
I loved morrowind's story probably one of the best story games, for oblivion the quest design was peak and i still remember that one dark brotherhood quest where you go into a party and kill everyone without them knowing who is doing the killing. For skyrim I like the crafting and exploring
seriously. skyrim isn't notable in story or even combat, it's notable in "oh hey a elder scrolls game that wasn't made before 2010." there's a reason people can only really play the game with mods
Yes, Morrowind basically had a big political background with many layers and I loved it. Still one of the best narratives in a western game.. obviously the best in any Bethesda game lol.
"No one even talks about sex, it's never alluded to, Nord babies are delivered by storks!" There are actually two women in game who are currently pregnant. Neither of them are Nords, sure, but they absolutely had sex and are planning to welcome a new member of the family. One of your fetch quests is literally to get a book so the parents can help the unborn child stay connected to its culture.
"why is violence badass while sexuality is off limits?" A question plaguing western media for ages. Really shows how much even Skyrim was designed by commity to be as inoffensive as it could manage.
If you watch the video he elaborates that the lack of those themes isn't the problem but the overall sterility and lifelessness in the writing. I agree that you don't need those themes but you can't have only bone with no meat on it either.
@@michaelcarroll5801 SO MANY people in this comment section obviously saw the title, went straight to the comments to write their "actually i like no sex", and then left
I think the reason why Skyrim is s@xless because s@x scenes were very controversial & also because despite being M Rated they didn't want it to be too M Rated so kids can still play Skyrim. Also the woman who was with 3 men is bad because at least one of them was already married & it's revenge for treating her employee like garbage.
@@roberthudson3386 True but millions of kids have played games like Call of Duty & Grand Theft Auto & they have parents who don't care as long as it's not softcore p®0πigraphic.
Plus the last time their were naughty files in an elder scrolls game the game got smacked with an Adults Only rating from the ESRB. And the game had to be recalled.
@@roberthudson3386while this is definitely true, OP also isn’t really wrong. This I can only really talk about American sensibilities, from what I understand other countries are hard in both, but there is a difference in how we treat violence vs sex. Think about how action movies can skirt by with a pg13 rating despite having a ton of violence or even death. Or how shows like the power puff girls, a show for young children, shows them punching bad guys almost every episode. Those have been deemed tame enough to show young audiences. Overt Sexual themes or nudity rarely gets that same lenience.
There’s no shortage of sex available absolutely everywhere, one game without it isn’t the end of the world. Considering the game is still a favorite well over a decade later, seems nobody cares about the lack of porn.
Sex is both hinted at and very clear to see with open clues. Some very freaky. I don't need people bumping uglies in my game unless I want to mod it in. It's a refreshing change after playing other games which have it. Believe it or not I prefer the bisexuality because you can create your own sexual background for them. I do think they are shallow in Skyrim, but Fallout 4 did a good job giving them more personality while still maintaining an open sexual background.
It's weird how we can only adopt kids in Skyrim, like I want my own kids with my wife, it's so weird and annoying, that's why I don't like to play Skyrim
In the Thieves guild, after you get Saphire back into the guild hideout, viper the fleet will actually make an attempt at hitting on her. He is basically immediately shot down but it still is mentioned. There probably are other mentions that I haven't noticed but they do pop up occasionally
Lord of the Rings doesn't have sex either because it's not relevent to the plot of the story. Bethesda wanted to tell a traditional high fantasy story but wanted to keep it appropriate enough for parents to feel comfortable with their teenagers playing it. I will say unmarried Jarls is a bit strange though
Meanwhile Morrowind: "Your past reincarnation was betrayed by the living God Vivec himself" "No way!" "Yeah way, he stabbed you" "Damn" "With a penis sword" "Damn....wait what"
And in Daggerfall Mannimarco the King if Worms had strippers in his inner sanctum, and there was "A Rude Song" about how dark elves will screw anyone, anywhere.
Well I don’t enjoy games with sexual content like that so Skyrim was perfectly fine for me. I just want a fun story of adventure. I go save a town, give gifts to my two kids, build another house for my husband, and kill a dragon all in the same afternoon. It’s perfect!
I will admit, I love Skyrim, but I do wish that you had a little more interaction with your spouses rather than "make me food, give me money, now bye!" With a later addition of Hearthfire to be "How are the kids?" I'm not asking to get down and dirty, but maybe a hug animation (could have been added after Dawnguard since they added a similar embrace-like animation for vampire lords) or even a very stiff kiss where you lean your heads in closer and have a kiss sound effect. They sometimes just feel like a money and food generator, and you can get a spouse by doing a favor for them or literally by giving someone 500 gold (aka all the mercenaries). Like, if you are going to add this mechanic to the game, at least add something to make it feel like you are married rather than them saying "hello my love" and giving you money and food.
Serana and Cicero being the two characters I have the easiest time finding people thirsting over because of how they actually behave in the game is both extremely telling and incredibly funny. Not complaining, though, I love horrid little murder clowns and I am happy a lot of people are fond enough of him to make fun drawings and mods and share them, and vampires are great, as well.
I love that you can befriend Cicero & he hangs out at your town/estate joking about the Mother telling him to off you. AFAIK he never does, it's just this cute friendly joke you two have as pals.
I think it would be fair to compare Skyrim to its peers instead of Baldurs gate. There's a reason why the mods community is pretty strong for Skyrim. Because the engine is malleable and people still play it which should say a lot about this game. Skyrim was the only open world sandbox game at that time at this scale. It's understandable that they kept some NPCs essential. As the game was prone to breaking. Nobody did anything like what Bethesda was doing. And in that fragile frame they built they made a game you're still talking about today.
@@utopiandystopia1383 that's its own video in itself and theres lots of it made already where your comment would've been relevant. that's not the point im raising. it's as assanine to compare any game with that much age gap. especially when you're judging an old game to the current standard. by 2011 oblivion was already feeling dated. but that doesn't make it an inferior game. the quests and storyline are still enjoyable and so was the atmosphere. it's the same point with comparing skyrim to baldur's gate 3. let alone comparing skyrim to oblivion. oblivion and skyrim has its own pluses and setbacks. i wont say one is superior over the other since it would be a lie. some days i like oblivion's vibe and play that, most of the time i play skyrim. but anyone who plays both gaames can see and feel the difference in graphics alone for example. and though oblivion is bigger in scale, it literally feels emptier.
Bethesda certainly doesn't shy away from dark sexual human nature. Just look up the lore behind the daughters of coldharbour and their 'ritual' with Molag Bal. Some would die.
I definitely think the character work holds Skyrim back a lot. I love the worldbuilding and the open world itself, but I hate that characters only ever achieve shallow, surface level writing. I always use Camilla Valerius as an example of this surface level writing. As a character, she has so much to work with, she's headstrong, dreams of adventure and is more than willing to offer to go get the Golden Claw herself while arguing with Lucan. She'll talk to you and guide you to the bridge and just leaves there to go back to Lucan, without any opportunity to develop her further. Whereas I wish I could ask/convince her if she'd like to come with me to help me get the claw back for her brother and give her that taste of the adventure she's been wanting and threatening Lucan with while also getting some interesting, individual dialogue throughout the quest from her. It would've been an interesting origin story/personal quest to achieve a follower, followed by an argument/interaction with Lucan when she comes back, in which you can convince her to stay safe with Lucan, or encourage her to explore her desire for adventure with you, promising Lucan that you'll keep her safe. It would've served as an introduction to follower mechanics, and built on the story of a character most players will meet, while also creating an emotional bond and resonance between the Dragonborn and her that makes sense for a follower relationship. I also highly dislike that she's used in a quest where she's the object of desire for two manipulative characters who both play stupid games to win her affection, and we don't get the opportunity to inform her about the bad behaviour of both men, just the one we currently have the letter for. It would've been so much better if we got the ability to inform on both of them, and (if we don't take into account the wider follower story I re-wrote before) got the opportunity to take her as a follower. Skyrim is packed with these characters who have strong foundations to be built upon to develop actual character, intention and emotional connection with the player, but never actually get the opportunity to advance beyond the strong foundations, simply having their story end at the foundations, rather than get any deeper.
This is way overthought. Skyrim is a shallow game. Everything is pretty shallow. Why would we expect the romance system to be any different? Another factor is that Skyrim was likely shooting for a lower content rating.
Why should a game set in a fantasy setting based off of a hybrid between the Medieval period and the Roman Era have the sexual ethics of Post-1960s America and Europe?
TES is not even close to the medieval period or the Roman era It’s an entirely foreign world, and their views on sexuality wouldn’t have an applicable analogue (free gay marriage is entirely fine in Tamriel while it’s still in contest today) The point is being entirely devoid of sexuality is unrealistic
One logic that seems to fly wayyy over your head; Why add sex in a game when it doesn't involve you? Remember, this was released in 2011, gamers had different priorities.
BG3 being a fairly explict game makes sense in lore. The forgotten realms, as written by notorious dirty old man Ed Greenwood, is a setting where everyone is bisexual, there's a brothel on every corner, and orgies are fun community activities. The elder scrolls is worse than this, arguably, considering Molag Bal and whatnot... making the sexlessness of Skyrim make little sense at all.
Yknow what, I went into this video asking the same question “Why would you think about this, this is a weird thing to obsess over” but I leave the video agreeing with you. Especially with a people inspired by viking culture; who were infamous for having concubines and their kidnapping of women during raids. Not saying that the Nords should have been like that, but their obvious Norse motifs in their religion and culture makes it weird that they’re so… christian(?) in their piousness towards sex and marriage. The mention about the Jarls not having children is a strong example too, they could have even had an interesting plotline of a Jarl being unmarried and his/her court being pushy about them having children to secure the inheritance line. You could’ve been sent by the Priestess of Mara to help them find a mate!
Don't want to come across as if i'm hating on this, but im confused about most of the points here. I get the critiques about the linearity, but the sexlessness? I come across lots of little hints, stories, books and dialog that mention sex all the time... you can't really miss it. So your problem might actually be that you're not reading into it correctly. Because so many others do notice sex being mentioned. Honestly, is sex appeal really that necessary? Maybe you are used to playing way dirtier games I guess and now you find it lacking in comparison 😅 Remember, the most important thing is the story, you don't need horny teen npcs having sex all the time to tell it??? Kind of weird to me be honest.
"the jarls don't have husbands/wives" the jarl of morthal has 2 childs and her husband is the steward, who sleeps in the same bed as her Also : Elisif is the widow of torygg and it's a major theme in skyrim's story
@@andrewgreenwood9068 I don't know, she's basically never mentioned as far as I'm aware. Only Nelkir say that he has not the same mother that his siblings, while implying it's a secret. So maybe jarl ballin' is not really into marriage, or at least a faithful one
You get to see sex in Skyrim as much as Todd Howard will see sex in his entire life, the developers were not allowed to make Todd insecure I'm sure my theory just works. But then again the last good game Bethesda made was Morrowind
I honestly thought you would bring up the conversation of how many creatures are presumably genderless, such as Falmer, Aedra and Daedra, dremora, animals such as wolves or sabre tooth tigers, and Giants. It's a question of "Is there an answer in the lore, or were separate models simply not inserted?" Maybe there's an underlying issue we haven't touched on, like congenital diseases where a person grows and develops as sexually dimorphic (XXY, Klinefelter syndrome, among other defects)? Could this be what's going on with the Giants or Falmer? Do some of the listed examples reproduce asexually, or have no practical use for organic sex? Or are they like Moclans in The Orville and conspire to eliminate evidence of anything different from being regarded as an all-male species, going as far as to mutilate their babies to conform to a standard?
I'm pretty sure Molag Bal and his Mace beg to differ on the lack of sex. Though, to be fair, that's a little less consensual. On that dark note, I remember the innkeeper in Riveren being a deadric worshipper that gets it on wearing deadric boots. As well as the fact there is the entire situation with the cult of Dibela.
Baldur’s Gate 3 is awesome in this regard, but it’s not the main focus. The whole story and game world feels like a thoughtfully written fantasy novel. It’s probably one of the few games that I was get immersed into. Skyrim doesn’t really had the same level of immersion because all game mechanics and ingredients were there, but it could be much better
Sex exists in Skyrim it’s just not front and center, because why would it be, in Markarth Alva seduced Hroggar into killing his family, the jarl even says “lust will drive a man to terrible things”, Serana in dawnguard talks about SA being part of the ritual that turned her into a vampire, Sapphire in the thieves guild, there’s plenty of little hints and full on dialogue options that show sex is very much a thing in Skyrim
in the anniversary edition they added a mission where you find out this guys wife is cheating on him and it felt so outlandish for skyrim because of… this. I was like wait, ppl have sex in tamriel?
Then you weren't paying attention to all of the things that allude to sex in the game. The necromancers who has a harem of ghost women who are his slaves and he calls playthings, the lusty argonian maid books, Haegla and the bunkhouse being a brothel, two NPCs being pregnant, all of the bandit camps with dead, naked women bodies in them, and so much more.
I love Skyrim and its stories. It's mythic and legendary storytelling, not so much about interpersonal relationships. I'm not playing the game about dragons and giants to hear stories about who's sleeping with who, I'm playing to fantasize about being a wizard. The world has excellent atmosphere and environmental storytelling that feels much bigger and older than the people living in it. Also, my response to anyone who says the battles are too small: play on a higher difficulty. Of course it's not going to feel compelling when you're just steamrolling enemies.
The difficulty is artificial oh now the dragon has 4x the hp and hits 4x harder and I do .25 x the damage yeah it becomes such a slog that yeah it won't be small just tedious and boring. Like I like skyrim I probably have close to 500 hours in it ...unmodded and probably like 2k modded cause that combat is trash unmodded. The thing is I want to feel like a wizard and I will say skyrim is the worst at that even with mods the magic system is mostly energy balls and energy streams. Magic system doesn't feel that magical not accounting how bad magic scales. Like I want to ignite my sword with visual magic fire sword s sword with crackling lighting bolts instead we only get enchanted weapons with a color overlay. I want to feel like a god when casting spells meanwhile I can become archmage even without a magic build. And the archmage doesn't really even feel like a powerful wizard non at the college do the world of skyrim is big in size but it is small oblivion felt bigger and had better mages guild even if manimarco looked lame.
But just because of that doesn't mean some parts can't be talked about and criticised... Yes Skyrim is primarily about dragons and civil wars but so is the witcher... And just because someone brought up a criticism about a topic that quite irrelevant in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean it can't be discussed
@@rebirthofgodrics907 Sorry but if you're not playing at a high difficulty then you only have yourself to blame for boring combat. There's so many kinds of magic in the game that I can't understand why you say it's just "energy balls and energy streams." Of course if you play on easy mode then you can just smash through mindlessly and never give a thought to strategy or skill trees or anything like that.
@@levisamom5069 Actually it's not even valid criticism since there are many examples of sexuality in the game. Not paying attention to the story and then saying the story is bad isn't a good argument.
@@BringYerOwnBomb I’ve played on legendary difficulty cause I used to play all games on the hardest difficulty and it was boring it’s just an hp sponge there’s nothing fun about % difficulty it’s more tedious than fun. It is just energy balls and stream there a few different variations like the cloaks but all the cloaks do the same it’s just a recolor and different damage types the illuion spells are just energy balls that don’t do damage but rather infuriate or calm there’s the invisibility that doesn’t matter cause high enough sneak makes it so you can walk in front of them crouched and not be seen. Morrowind magic is better and it’s a much older game, also harder from the get go, it has the same trash type of difficulty though. Alteration is the only magic that’s kind of unique but not really the magic in Skyrim is boring. Skyrim is only fun with mods and even with mods magic isn’t great that game is cursed with unsatisfying magic. The games have horrible ai too making it even worse. I don’t play mindlessly smashing through I only play rpgs making builds is one of my favorite parts of playing a game. Difficulty has never changed my opinion of a game the game is either fun or not. Elden ring is an easy game and I’ve played through it 15 around times already monster hunter dos is a hard game and I love it. I like Skyrim but with mods otherwise is just a barely above average game.
I agree and disagree with a lot in this video but i do get what your overarching opinion is so im not gonna get heated about it. Though I will say, mentioning dragon age 2 Isabella and baldurs gate three is probably the opposite side of the spectrum when it comes to good expression of sexuality. Not to be prude but certain moments in BG3 are just edgy sex jokes that do NOT land and are very uncomfortable and weren't needed. As for DA2 Isabella, she's a stereotypical sexy woman with most dialogue just innuendos, including dialogue with hawke (mostly the snarky/comedy route tbf). Not saying shes a bad character but holy we get it, you're hot. HOWEVER, most of dragon age of a series i will agree is the best form of overt sexuality that isnt always straight up mentioning/showing sex but wont shy away from occasional innuendos (other than the previously mentioned character that specifically does that way too much lmao) I just hope I'm not jinxing it for the next dragon age game
You can tell by the comments of most of these nerds, Skyrim was made sexless for its prudish US audience. I'm convinced they wanted to avoid controversy and sanitize the game, and not only did it work, people keep buying rereleases of the exact same game. I wouldn't blame the writers for this specifically, a LOT of important content and world building got cut from the game. With the majority of the leftover dialogue being exposition for the lore, guilds or quests than anything else. It could have been a more enthralling game, but the game devs understood that appealing to a general audience would be more profitable.
You say that like Bethesda themselves aren't part of that exact prudish audience. My guy, go read and listen to their interviews, they're basically a bunch of middle-aged dads making games for themselves where they can shut their brains off for a few hours after work. They don't want to add in anything to deep or complicated because that would tire out their old man brains, not to mention Emil himself being a huge evangelical, prudish baby.
i want to erase that book from the collective concuss its literally a one off joke thats been stretched out for *22 fucking years.* and people still act like its shocking in the age of furry p*** all over the internet? like having 1 22 year old refence to sex is nothing lmao
Being fair, IIRC the book existed prior to Skyrim. Not only that, it censored Barenziah, a book that had more sexuality in Morrowind than Skyrim. Barbed penises.
The reason there's so little sex or anything referencing it is honestly probably becuz the 2000s and early 2010s was a time where there were alot of sex related controversies in gaming, the most famous example being the hot coffee mod in gta sa obviously
I think you forgot about arondil. And Haelga in riften. And the sanguine questline. And the priestesses of dibella. And the lusty aronian maid. And the pile of those books in a riekling den
you mentioning npc’s being jerks in skyrim reminded me of my kajhiit run where i realized bethesda had coded in racism 😭 ill walk by two people and hear em go “i hope he doesnt try to rob us” like BRO 😂😂 it did make the world feel alive tho tbf
Starfield went even more sexless, there's a sin city whose main economy is designer drugs and they have a club where instead of strippers you get weird men in spandex suits flailing around
I have a blast when I'm in a bad mood watching the Always Marco film/review & imitating the Neon City dancers. They are so lame I can shake off most bad days just doing that.
I'm fine with the game as is. If you want the characters to f*ck like rabbits, there are mods for that. It wasn't written to be a dating/sex sim. I agree with many of the criticisms of the game, but very few games can do EVERYthing, much less do it all well. Bethesda probably could have included everything this guy wanted in the game, but we'd be sitting here today still waiting for it to be released.
Yeah she deserves the shame. It’s fine that she loves sex, but the problem is she has no morality about it. She’s trying to convince men to cheat on their wives and trying to involve her niece who clearly wants nothing to do with it.
Boli even says that she got him drunk, and that he can't even remember the encounter. She definitely deserves to be shamed for that. Speaking of Boli, his wife will throw herself at you if you're a male character, and there's a note in their house from a private investigator that Boli hired to determine if she was cheating on him.
What i dont get is why it isn't shared between series. Fallout 3, NV, and 4 all have fade to black sex scenes, and are generally much more in your face with their sexual aspects. It makes it clear that Bethesda doesnt want to hide the sex, they just want to keep it out of TES specifically.
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They didn't want little Timmy to see any implications of icky adult stuff while he's decapitating people in a MRated game
This is the strange thing about American culture. Sex is considered beyond the pale, but graphic violence is A-OK. From what I've heard, in Europe it's the opposite.
@@whitemakesright2177 not sure if opposite, but sex is very normal thing here, Parents aren't really protective of their children and for the most part don't try to prevent their kids getting perverted. Truth Is sex is just a normal thing in a relationship (romantic one, although friends with benefits is a thing) meanwhile violence is looked down upon, we do not like games fantasizing this stuff as we don't want it in our culture, but in a medieval fantasy it is normal, after all Europe was extremely violent in the past.
@@whitemakesright2177I'm in Europe and America seems normal, this is the one time American norms apply in the majority of the world
@@justdominik9812 I have ptsd because one of my parents wasn't protective of me about s*x...I'd keep it from my children, but thats me.
@@morganc.m1830 being overprotective just actively hurts the child, at the late teens sex becomes very desirable, at least for young men, and becomes a powerful thing, there is really no reason to stop them from having it, if you stop them they'll just do the deed with porn, which is by the way much worse as it actively damages the brain and can cause an addiction that's nearly impossible to break.
It's not like you can stop teens doing the stuff they want, if you won't support them they'll just do it behind your back.
I am a teen by the way so I know this, most teens do not care what their parents tell them.
No sex?
Mod community: "Hold my beer"
Yeah but half of them are just weird instead of romantic.
@@Watcherobot wym it's not romantic to have sex with the bandit who defeated my character
@@fachrizaltofumeanwhile that one part of the mod community: hey guys how do I install the mod where Serena turns into a female vampire lord and tops the DB!!!?
@@WatcherobotOne that's similar to the old Fallout romances would be good for TES6, imo.
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If you hear a bit about sapphires' background, she was a ***** slave to a band of bandits that took over her families pig farm. It is one of the heaviest heartbreaking stories in skyrim.
What's a pig? As a true nord I've never encountered such a beast.
sad that some of the few mentions of sexuality in Skyrim are about sexual violence
@@SariusxX fits the brutal world. life is short and brutal in skyrim
@@samueldawkins Sure, but it's weird to be prude with normal sexuality but unrestrained with the violence.
That's another thing. Bethesda is happy to use r*pe as a narrative tool, but is seemingly terrified to show nudity or consensual sex.
Who'd want to bang in this game? It's cold as shit, there's dragons flying around, the dead have risen, vampires stalk the night, and everyone looks like a baked potato.
Very fair point. To add to this apparently if you get pregnant and have a baby, it comes out already between the ages of 9 - 12 and somehow looks like every other kid just with different hair
great way to warm up
Based on the real world? Fuckin' everyone, dude. That's what people did in cold, war-stricken places.
baked potato...💀 lol, what's not to like? Baked potatoes are... tasty.
Bro don't act like the Khajiit, Argonians and dragons aren't hot
When you go to Haelga’s private quarters in the bunkhouse, there’s a good few “details” laid around the room which is probably the most direct reference to intimacy in the game
Love your videos, miss
Also on Solstheim, where the reeklings collect an alarming amount of erotic literature and statuettes of a certain goddess, which they sometimes just pile up in a specific tent. I don't want to imagine what is going on in there...
another funny thing too, if you have the shadow sanctum CC content and head to the master bedroom you can find books of the lusty argonian LOL
She has those Stamina potions for a reason.
Hey I just subscribed to Angelika recently. Nice!
The weirdest thing about Skyrim NPCs is that all potential love interests are bi-sexual. Yet there isn't any gay couples in Skyrim
Edit: I was already aware of the dead couple on Solstheim. No need to tell me for the 80th time.
It makes sense that the only one powerful enough to challenge the 'no gay marriage' law of the kingdom is someone who can kill a time travelling god of destruction. What makes it weird and confusing is that none of the characters have a built in preference, they're all just as down to fuck the time-terrorist dragonborn. It feels rushed and forced, a little creepy, tbh. "Yeah, dude, I'll marry you. Just don't send me back 1000 years or whatever" type beat.
@@gaddiusgaddium9082 To be fair, the priest guy did say that is how Skyrim people are. But obviously, from a meta standpoint, the writers included that line so players aren't surprised that someone would agree to marry you right after you help find their keys for them.
@@wakkablockablaw6025 Lmao, that's wild. Skyrim is crazy
This ins't true, there is one gay couple in the game. They live on Solstheim, or lived, as you find them killed by bandits.
@@someonesilence3731 I'm aware of that example. This further makes the lack of gay couples in Skyrim strange. I'm guessing from a meta standpoint, it would be hard or controversial for Bethesda to write about how people feel about homosexuality in the Elder Scrolls universe. So it is something that is alluded to rather than addressed.
bro obviously never read the Lusty Argonian Maid
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I should point out that this book was first introduced in Morrowind. There was even a quest where Crassius Curio is looking for a troupe to perform it.
@@nonessentialfungus I should point out that your argument is dumb, we dont need s*x in skyrim. But there are some elements in here that are valid.
@@Ethan-ob6kz You can't just self report like this man, watch the video before commenting. The sex is the initial hook for the video, the real arguments are much more important and well founded
@@Gyovali I watched it through, and the whole sex stuff is a dumb argument, as i said in another comment, some of his other arguments actually have a decent point. But the whole video is just weird and senseless.
My skyrim isn't sexless (for realism and immersion.)
Same Ive added basic lewd mods to add a little level of immersion. Im not a fan of the over the top, fuck anything and everything mods. Sadly as for spouses, there are next to no mods that make them feel like spouses :/
Yes, realism and immersion is necessary after all
@@periplanetamissionarysadly. I’m a console player ( I don’t own a pc ) and for some reason those types of mods arnt allowed yet you can have giant boobed NPCs or players cause “it’s not revealing”
It’s still nsfw? It’s a kink. ( I’m talking giant giant boobs. Like. Unrealistic size )
@@periplanetamissionary I mean there is mods like spouses enhanced and spouse freedom.
@@ibrahimalee23 I will check out the second one, I already use the first
It's probably not a good argument to compare the college of winter hold to modern colleges. This is more akin to a guild. The students are not necessarily young or even on their own for the first time.
That also applies to college though?
@@Bob-bs9ok but as far as I understand the majority of the people in IRL college are students. The winterhold college accepts new members and they do teach, but it seems more that you are a member for life. And students might eventually teach and use college resources for their own ends. Like I said it's like a job with apprentices.
@@MRdaBakkle probably depends on the institution but it's not uncommon for colleges to have large research staffs in addition to just teaching staff. And this isn't even including administrative staff and graduate/post-grad/older students. And given how the college of winterhold in described it's not surprising that it would have more older students and faculty.
Also, even ignoring how a wizard's apprentice is a common trope, apprenticeships are something that still commonly happen either as an internship or actual apprenticeship.
@@Bob-bs9ok yes. Which is why think it's more like an on the job apprenticeship. I wouldn't say a blacksmith guild is a college. Rather a group of blacksmiths each have their own practice, and then apprentice blacksmiths work and learn on the job. It's not a traditional modern college and that was my entire point.
@@MRdaBakklebecause this is a historical depiction of a college as an institution of primary research documentation and aggregation of knowledge
"what was the point of putting in the marriage system if Bethesda was just gonna half-ass it like this?"
that is a question that could be asked about Skyrim as a whole.
For real!
The RUclipsr Gunmetal has a great video about Skyrim called "Why Skyrim Sucks," and his conclusion is that it sucks not just because of a few half-assed systems, or shallow writing, but because everything about it is surface level only.
@@whitemakesright2177 Kinda why it's the most popular game to mod, so that the community comes together and finally freshes out all the surface level stuff.
@@TNUPP12 It's the most popular game to mod because it's awesome
@@whitemakesright2177 Why would I watch a video that has a completely inaccurate, ragebait title? Regardless, you should watch "Why is there no other game like Skyrim" by No Cap Gaming. He debunks all the meme criticism of Skyrim that you just listed.
There is one pregnant NPC in Skyrim but other than that I must agree that no one else seems to want anything to do with sex. Also all kids are the same age so weird.
Not only are all the kids the same age, but I’m almost positive they’re all the same base model with different hair and clothes
There’s two actually-the redguard Seren in Dawnstar and the elf priestess of Mara, Dinya, in Riften
Seren and her husband will tell you they’re expecting, but for Dinya you have to overhear her talking with Maramal about it
@@KoewlBag a similar issue to the kids being the same age is that every adult of every race and gender are all the same height. In morrowind the races and genders are all different heights, but in skyrim every character uses the same model of the same height, and they don't even scale them differently.
Now I’m wondering if we the player where actually killed either from being hit in the head when we were captured or at the chopping and everything that happens is the last few signals bouncing in the brain before complete death. It would explain why we are a hero, why we are not instantly arrested or killed when telling the jarl of whiterun what happened nor in solitude where the empire has a foothold, and why no matter the race we pick why we are the Dragonborn, why all adults are the same height, kids are all the same age, all kids have the same base model, and every odd thing.
@@WumboGuySkyrim definitely scales character models differently. High Elves are the tallest, and female Bretons and female Khajit are tied for the shortest.
Meanwhile, one of the most memorable exchanges in Oblivion was a woman asking the player what the penalty is for necrophilia and being overjoyed at how much cheaper it is in Cyrodiil than it was in Morrowind.
Being fair, that would be true because Dark Elves practice Ancestor Worship. Hence you can call on your ancestor guardian as a racial power. They're not going to want you to bone down with... their departed loved one's long dead bones. o.O
Daggerfall: Khajiit men with barbs, making out with a Dunmer woman and proceeding to get handsy with her in a tavern that everyone just watches.
@@Chinothebadyou forgot Mannimarco's undead strippers.
@@passingrando6457 True but honestly, nothing can really top Khajiit men iwth barbs from a book that's being explicit in what's going on unlike the Lusty Argonian Maid.
@@passingrando6457 i'm sorry mannimarco undead WHAT NOW?!
"Students live alone and are surrounded by single peoples, of course they will have sex"
Ugly 25yo virgin me : why you bully me
Selflove counts
7:09 I mean, sex is very much hinted at. Off the top of my head, Falk Firebeard in Solitude and the female thane clearly have a relationship, Sapphire from the thieves guild is implied to have been raped in the past by the bandits who attacked her family's farm, there are a few NPCs in taverns who either flirt with you or cheer on you to flirt with others (like the "Shor's bones, a handsome man in Falkreath!" girl) and of course Haelga whom you've brought up
I agree that the character work in Skyrim is shallow, and in that regard I think you articulate your point very well, but why bury it under the false claim that sex isn't even alluded to in Skyrim?
And most importantly, why is a lack of sexual content an issue? There's no sex in Lord of the Rings, either. And sex isn't what makes us human, otherwise dolphins are more human than our own children. Seriously (genuine question), why is sex so important that it's at the core of your critique?
Here's a few more examples that I can think of:
Alva in Morthal will attempt to seduce other NPCs. Benor will even respond "But I won't cuckhold another man" lol
In Dragon Bridge, Horgeir's brother, Lodvar, is having an affair with his wife Olda behind his back.
Arondil in Yngvild is making undead slaves. If your character is female he will even say, "Ah, another plaything for my collection."
Erikur's interaction with Brelas during Elenwen's party at the Thalmor Embassy during Diplomatic Immunity.
Bothela's quest to deliver a "Stallion's Potion" to the steward of Markarth.
Agreed, and I'm curious about this, too. Quests and writing in Skyrim being watered down compared to other games, or even previous titles in the same series, isn't a new argument and can be a very good point, especially since the "roleplaying" part keeps increasingly getting the shaft over time. A game not or not having obvious explicit content/suggestive material is also a fine reason to personally not like it, if that's what you prefer your games to be. To use Skyrim as an example of lack is odd when, by the video author's own admission, the other games he mentioned were trying to be gritty/"mature" or appeal to certain people using certain things, which Skyrim wasn't super interested in doing, using, or being. You fight dragons and stab bandits while a war happens, pretty standard fantasy RPG fare. The presentation and tone can be anything with that setup and doesn't have to be that of other games.
Witcher has Geralt up in girls' beds because he's a womanizer; it's part of his character to the point that there's even collectable cards revolving around this in the game series, and this trait is somehow even more present in the books. Dragon Age has it because BioWare found out that making their games a dating sim with a "payoff" got people talking more than the actual story/gameplay when it came to their products (which they should have examined more critically if they wanted to fix that), so they gave their audience what they seemed to want, to varying reactions. Mass Effect turned into the same thing. Both of these make sense for what they are.
Bethesda makes games with "freedom" in mind, sometimes to its detriment. You're given a general role for a main quest and that's about it. Skyrim has a blank slate character who can be anyone as a person. Having something pre-established as a personality trait like Geralt doesn't make a lot of sense character-ward, nor does forcing them into sexual situations world-ward since it's not what the games are going for. This already limits a lot of what the player will end up seeing since it's not happening -to them-, and most people are wont do that behind closed doors. TES doesn't have a huge focus on sex in general and has no reason to. It's something that just happens in the background, like irl but without ads/adult websites/social media to constantly remind you that it's happening... at least until we hit TES's AI spaceship future, then you can take your bets. Occasionally you get someone who can't keep it in their pants, like the mentioned Crassius, but the video indirectly admits he's kind of an oddity in the series. His existence in Morrowind isn't really an argument for anything except that risque original fanfiction is a lucrative untapped market in Tamriel. Would including someone like him in Skyrim improve it, or even fulfill the content criteria NEF lists as enough of a hint? Very subjective.
While it's not super obvious, there are lots of references to sex going on if you pay attention or just scroll the comments down here. If the player wants something more explicit to change the game into something that's more to their taste, that's what mods are for. To make "I don't actually see people boinking" a central critique on a game not at all about showing that off that is weird on its own since that's personal taste, but using an incorrect point like "there's not even a hint of sex in the game" when there's plenty of reference to anyone paying attention makes it seem like there is no valid point being made. It's like arguing there HAS to be sex scenes in every movie, just in case I wasn't focused and wouldn't catch it if the characters implied later that something happened. It makes it hard to take seriously, and I'm not sure where he's going with it.
Exactly, I don't think there should be. I guess you have Game of Thrones for that. And besides, I can't enjoy that show although I really wanted to, and I wouldn't have Skyrim at all because of ptsd if that content was in it.
And there actually is some s*xual content in the game. There is plenty to tell you that it definitely is going on in the world. Helga (in Riften), the dungeon Yngvild with Arondil's Journal (which is very disgusting to read about), and the L*sty Argonian Maid and S*ltry Argonian Bard. That's what I can think of off of the top of my head a sof now.
But, it's definitely there. You just don't ever see it (which is great).
Not just hinted at, pretty much just stated. She said they took advantage of or had their way with her, which is pretty much saying it! (Agreeing with you)
The point is Skyrim is sterile, even when dealing with issues of sex... which it is.
Your smp hdt physics makes think you've already solved your problems
Paradox of Skyrim: the most moddable game but they're all on top of the shallowest core elements
When it comes to Romance in games I personally prefer how Mass effect does it. As it has enough to it to feel satisfying if you engage with it but doesn't comprise so much of the games that your experience isn't significant lessed if kept on a potonic level.
The original DA was like that. I miss those kinds of games. RPGs are now too s3×ual or no romance. Tbh, I don't want the bedroom bounce in my games, I just want romance with blackout screens. Fable 2 comes to mind.
@@manic_hearts Even those were kinda cringe. "OOHHH AHM GONNA BLO ME LOAD HNNNGG"
@@AmieEss Yet, that was the point with Fable was for it to be cringe. It wasn't fodder for those who partake in weird self pleasure because that's what modern games are. It's gross to think about....but it's true, and we all know what those specific folk do. Fable was peak British humor and so overly stupid.
Bioware is really goated on the romance department.
I remember playing DA: Inquisition for the first time back in 2017. Just being blown away by how endeared I could grow to a set of voice lines and computer code.
They make a really good job of presenting rugged, fearsome characters and later unveiling more personal, sensitive sides to them as you get to know them better. (How it usually works in real life too lol).
Vetra and Cassandra remain some of my favorite characters for that reason
4:59 If you help kill the giant, she actually compliments you instead
Aela the Huntress telling my level 1 mage fresh from Helgen that I would make a "decent shield-brother" in their mercenary warrior's guild 💀
I don't remember the exact circumstances surrounding it, but in many cases it's physically impossible to even get to the fight before they finish it off.
Even if you do make it in time, it's not like they're shouting for help so you've really got no reason to jump in and help them. Especially as a first-time player, not even knowing what's going on, maybe not even having noticed it. In fact, I'd say a good portion of first-time players never even saw the giant alive. I know I was one of them. Which makes it even weirder to get told off for it. It certainly doesn't give a good impression for the Companions.
@@-tera-3345 I use a bow whenever that happens for the experience.
@@-tera-3345 change the difficulty to Adept or higher if you want the giant to live long enough to be in render distance
@@-tera-3345 Yeah, that part sketches me out. When I get there, I always remember to sprint for the giant because I'm traumatized over the dozen first times I arrived just in time to see the giant fall and thought DAMN!
Of the marriage candidates, Brelyna Maryon is probably one of the better options: You can actually hold multiple conversations with her, help her work, and being a companion, can generally hang out. Still not a whole lot of meat, but it's more than some options, where the mercenaries are willing to marry you immediately, if memory serves.
The irony of having a book in Skyrim that basically says to go have sex with someone, anyone... and then not having it as an option...
I love your fursuit aaaa
Huh?
@morganc.m1830 I believe it was Ahzirr Traajijazeri but I'd have to go hunting to find it. Basically it was a Khajiit telling the reader if they had no one male or female to spend the cold lonely night with, then to find someone, anyone.
@@KarmatheCorgi What do you think "You Awaken Feeling Your Lover's Comfort" is supposed to mean?
@@AvengerAtIlipareading is challenging
Good video that really gets to the heart of Bethesda's issue with lack of depth. Breadth is good but it's always very shallow. How strange is it to hear NPCs talk about how Kahjeets are banned from cities yet you can just walk into a city as a cat and only occasionally hear a few lines from npcs about you being a cat. Or how you can be a storm cloak argonian and it doesn't really get brought up how weird that is...
Or walking into Windhelm as a dark elf and still being asked if you’re a “dark elf lover”????
The caravans aren't allowed in the cities specifically I think. Not necessarily the race themselves. But idk.
Just the caravans
@@morganc.m1830 In Windhelm, you're told that Dunmer are only allowed in the Gray Quarter, and Argonians are only allowed on the docks.
Stormcloak Argonians can make sense, depending on their history. The Empire allowed Argonian slavery for countless years, so I could see an Argonian's hate for the Empire overriding their distaste for the Nords' racism.
I would argue that Jarls having kids with no wife shows the *opposite* of sexlessness. They’re.. doing the nasty.. outside of marriage often enough to have as many as three kids.
Also, have you not seen the books in this game? Crazy
It’s not about the sex. The sex was the catch to get people to watch the video and it worked. It was an opener so he could talk about a deeper issue
most of those books (and the books in general) were carried over from older games and made by the same badass master-writers that wrote Pelinal Whitestrake or Saint Jiub. bethesda's newer writers barely wrote shit and what they did write was half-baked and incredibly uninspired.
why do you think Starfield sucked? gamewise it was mostly fine, even design was passable, but the writing was absolutely horrendous.
Then why is it called skyrim's sexless problem
@@jeorgetracy5883 because that’s an amazing title. i’m not seriously critiquing the entire premise just some lighthearted comments
You're actually reinforcing the point. Why do only a few of the Jarls have wives, and only a few have children? In the real world, getting married and producing heirs was part of the job description as a noble. It was not optional. Not only that, they don't have any other family, either, and in fact, no one does, with only a handful of exceptions. Makes the world feel very small and artificial. To be fair, Oblivion and Morrowind had the same issue to some extent.
Kind of confused as to what you're going for because yeah they aren't blatant about it but there's a couple of implied scenes, and one of the divines basically has pleasure cults. If you sleep near a bed with a spouse you gain a buff called lovers embrace. Again none of it is really blatant but it is there
Here.
There's references to sex all throughout the game through character dialogue. And the fact there are people who are married pretty much means they are having sex. It's just not in your face about it. I.E. mature about it.
It's probably because everyone in Bethesda are sexless virgins.
Or because the game shouldn't be tainted with that bs. It is disgusting and, for me, ptsd triggering anyway, so I'm extremely glad it doesn't. Go get mods if you don't like that.
@@utkarshsingh-rp2dq Because of the puritanical views entrenched in American culture
@@morganc.m1830that's how you got here. Sex its natural and not disgusting
@@morganc.m1830 instead of letting trauma dictate what's right or wrong get therapy
@@morganc.m1830 Your trauma is as meaningless as a random dead leaf in autumn.
As much as i love baldurs gate 3, the horny aspects are honestly annoying ESPECIALLY the horny "jokes"
Agreed. The bugbear x hobgoblin barn scene felt incredibly edgy to me honestly. The game does handle more tender romance pretty well though.
yeah the incubus scene was uh something
seriously. I try and have a bro moment with gale and 2 seconds in he's all “you want sum dick?“ That game makes it really hard to just be friends with the party.
BG3 is a good game but it demonstrates precisely why romance and character focused story beats are so detrimental to good writing. Any relationship outside of a romance is tepid and unnuanced. You can only really know a character through romance when good writing can do so much more with balancing how people express themselves with different types of relationships. Someone you hate could be as familiar and exciting as someone you love.
@@loadishstone See that was my problem with the game too. Almost all meaningful relationships you make in the game are romantic rather than platonic. I don't mind the devs opening up romance options for almost all the origins, but I feel like they could've done more to allow players to strengthen relationships without resulting in flirtatious advances.
Next Video: The Sexlessness of Red Dead Redemption 2
"The Ring Dang Doo, now what is that?
It's soft and round like a pussy cat
A hole in the middle and split in two;
That's what you call the Ring Dang Doo!"
Hmm i dont think that would work since you can come across some npcs getting laid at least twice im pretty sure so red dead isn't sexless lol
Wasn't Abigail a former prostitute?
@@Justagirl2000 just like skyrim
Sex isn't the point of the game. If you really want to go watch people have sex, there are plenty of other games and website for that.
I enjoy that Skyrim isn't just another horny RPG game. Let it be a simply fun RPG with good stories and adventure. Not everything needs to be a horny ocean of sex dungeons and harems.
He isn't arguing for Bethesda to literally add sex into the game. Watch the vid lil bro
@@WisteriaNerium Thats what it fuckin feels like.
@@themeddite No one's fault but yourself that you can't understand the main point and resort to create strawmans
@WisteriaNerium I understood the points however a lot of his arguments just felt like he just wanted Witcher sex scenes in the game, I know what's not what he said.
@@themeddite you have a point
One counterpoint is that Skyrim’s sexlessness is actually a good quality. In some ways. Skyrim was played by a lot of kids, and teens unsure of their identities, and the sex free world felt very approachable. You can imagine any level of implied sex, but it will never appear before you, and I find a sense of security in that somehow
Maybe they are unsure because adults don't let them learn anything until they are 18?
Until you remember how pureblooded vampire women like Serana are made :/ No implication of consensual sex and then you're slapped with the Daughters of Coldharbour.
@@murrtdurrtto be fair you need to read atleast somewhat between the lines to Unserstand what molag bal did to them, wouldnt surprise me If many didnt think that hard about it
@@Darkrimo does that mean that Lord Harkon had to go through a similar process or did he just offer up his wife and daughter to get his power. I wonder was he force to watch what Bal did to his daughter and wife.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher i think he says ingame that he was granted the power by offering his Wife and Daugther, i dont think Molag swings that way or atleast all his victims were female this far if i recall correctly
Although sex in the elder scrolls being "taboo" is something but Bethesda's fallouts being sexless is definitely weird since it's the post apocalypse, and there is no superficial structure governing the world
For Fallout it makes perfect sense because it's the post apocalypse, there's no contraception readily available for people and doctors aren't common either, childbirth can be incredibly dangerous for the child and the mother if expert care isn't available, so characters in Fallout wouldn't wanna risk something like that, thereby they'd avoid having unprotected sex
There is literally a perk for being gay in fallout, as well as npcs that react to it.
Bethesdas Fallout isn't sexless there are prostitutes in Fallout 3 and in Fallout 4 you can convince the singer lady in GoodNeighbor to sleep with you and that is just off the top of my head I know there's more.
in fallout 4 you can sleep with most of your companions. fallout 3 the black widow/lady killer perk exists
I would say that the Fallout series past the first isn’t really sexless. If anything, the sex feels very… transactional. Fallout 2 let you be a porn star and you could buy condoms as an item in the major cities. Prostitution is super common in 2 and New Vegas. New Vegas had the most nuanced depictions of sexuality, but it also made it where every time you use your sexuality perk it comes with a reward or benefit of some kind which feels very… game-y. I guess they wanted that harsh wasteland do-what-you-need-to-survive feel to it?
Videogames don't really need sexual elements to be enjoyable. I mean, this is a fantasy world. Just have sex in real life!
To be fair, Bethesda half assed literally everything. Like the dog elements, the combat, the dialogue, the quests, and the romance. The worst victim of this is the civil war quest line, it is soooooo boring
They'll make up for it by letting you romance your dog in the next game.
@@johnprager662 Isn't that just the end of the Companions' questline?
Exactly. Bethesda as a whole half asses everything.
"Why is graphic violence OK while sex is treated as shameful?" You could ask this question to the entirety of American/"western" media.
Yeah I came here wanting to say exactly this. The concept utterly baffles me, it should REALLY be the other way around, if anything...
Yup. That couldn't be any more right.
To this day excessively violet games are much more tolerated than. Something as simple as a nipple on a statue let alone an npc.
@@Starflooflewhy? Violence is as natural to the animal kingdom as eating or drinking.
@@utopiandystopia1383 *That,* on the other hand, is something that can be cartoon-abstracted away and nothing is lost. You do not need to be visceral and blatant with gore to convey violence and its (unfortunate but necessary) place in the world.
Now, truth be told, I would be fine with both being accepted and neither scorned, and that's what we should work towards, but--
It does baffle me that people are INSANELY prudish to the extent that the mere act of being naked in a completely nonsexual manner is more taboo than blowing someone's brains out with a shotgun. Y'know. Bit of a weird dichotomy there.
@@utopiandystopia1383 and fucking isn't?
As other comments have pointed out, Skyrim does have references to sex, it is just done in a subtle way. Its used only for storytelling purposes and not at all gratuitously.
I have many issues with Skyrim, but the amount of sex in it is not one of them. I think its fine how it is.
Like you, I prefer games that aren't horny, and its something I consider to be a big negative about BG3.
Me too. I think it's off-putting that every romance route should have sex on your face to be considered good. I haven't done the entire BG3's romance routes because of this.
I prefer subtle and "pure" romance like Stardew Valley, HM and Fire Emblem.
Yeah. I couldn't get past chapter 2 of bg3 because the constant relationship stuff wore me down when what I wanted was a fantasy adventure.
You guys know you can completely ignore romance in BG3 and it doesn't impact the game at all, right? Don't get me wrong, the game is horny if you want it to be. But if you don't engage in that with the characters, they drop it.
I don't understand not being able to play the game because of that. Sounds like a deeper psychological problem on your end than the game being at fault.
This idea that Skyrim has nothing sexual is incredibly far from accurate and there are a lot of such things that come to mind without even putting in effort to think carefully and find them.
Serana can be flirted with in an early conversation, and depending on dialogue options will reveal that something unspeakable which happens to be dirty happened to her (what Molag Bal does to people sometimes).
In a secret room in a cave in the Rift, a dead body can be found, triggering a miscellaneous quest in which a woman assumes her husband ran off with "some elven whore."
If talking to Vekel the Man, he offers a quest to retrieve some journals written by a necromancer, and reading them reveals the guy to be a pervert of one of the most vile kinds possible. Disturbing read.
If sleeping in a bed with your spouse while married, you get a bonus called Lover's Comfort.
Just about everything related to Haelga is in some way sexual. She owns a brothel, sleeps with every man she can get, and her entire bedroom is a sex joke.
Aela and Skjor are rumored to go on hunts which are heavily implied to also be hookups, and depending on a dialogue choice when joining the Companions she may suggest doing the same with you.
Sibbi Black-Briar with instantly come on to you if you talk to him as a woman.
There's a woman in Falkreath who happily calls you "handsome" if playing as a man, and suggests in an unsatisfied way that such a sight is unusual there.
Mirri Severin in Raven Rock is generally flirtatious when talking at various points, especially if you play as a man.
Some male characters say you're making them "unseasonably warm" if you walk near them unclothed.
The temple of Dibella has various suggestive dialogue, including a woman saying they offer instruction in the Dibellan arts, which is just fancy ways to do people. There's also a quest there with a permanent status effect as a reward, and if playing as a man the priestess says it's useful for wooing women. If playing as a woman I don't remember but I'm pretty sure she says something about seduction.
On the topic of seduction, the vampires (which you should know since you played as one there) have a power literally called seduction.
There are also the popular Argonian-oriented innuendo books placed around the world, often in ways to suggest something kinda funny and make a dirty joke using environmental world-building.
A note in the Ragged Flagon mentions Delvin likes to sneak up and watch Vex bathe, and he sometimes flirts with her.
This list has gotten pretty long just going by what I remember from playing it, and I'm sure I've forgotten some stuff but Skyrim is NOT a clean game by any means. Sexual references are spread all over the place, and they vary a lot in nature with there being funny stuff, horrible and dark stuff, and just plain amorous stuff. Anyone making the claim that it's in any way free from that kind of thing is either incredibly oblivious or just plain doesn't believe their own words. They don't just make every character so horny it's unrealistic like BG3 does, but the fact that I can just toss out such a long list off the top of my head of such material and most of it can be easily found at a low character level makes this whole premise of this video ridiculous.
for real, theres a shitton of sex in skyrim its just not npcs banging on screen, its more bedrolls with flowers and wine, little bits of dialogue, objects laying around with... implications. this just feels like an excuse to criticize an old ass game. like yeah a lot of things in skyrim are shallow; because it was built to be build on but also because there is so so so so much in the game they couldnt do it all.
Hum hum:
-What is the title of the most known book in Skyrim ? Yup, the Lusty Argonian Maid.
-What are the details of the ceremony to transform Serana to become a Molag Bal (including some unwilling 53x into his dominion) follower ? Yup, "degrading", you don't have the details, maybe because they are wicked.
-What are the few statue consecrated by both nordsmen and forsworns ? Dibellla, with blood by the last ones.
-In Sanguine quest, you are married with a hagraven, have reminders about a goat...
-In Riften, you have a nymphomaniac resorting to bondage, stamina potions for several men, + a letter attesting cheating for another family...
-The base model of "The Dunlain Augur" npc reveals he was, as a living mage, a spawn of a breton and a hagraven.
To sum up, you have multiple partners affairs, cheating, r4.p.3, p0rn0graphy, s4crifices to 53x deities, b35tiality.
And that is vanilla game.
Plus Serana's entire backstory? The dude in Markarth who can't get it up?
Details no one remembered. also not the argument he is actually making
@@DatcleanMochaJoif no one remembered, why are so many people in the comments bringing it up from the top of their head?💁🏾♀️
@@DatcleanMochaJo kinda is
Oh yes it is so unrealistic that people would live a chaste life and not talk about sex or try to get laid with everyone.
Not only it is technically false and there is multiples sexual references in the game but also it's a highly liberal occidentalo-centric point of view.
Living in Algeria most people don't want to have sex outside of marriage because it is sinful (haram), some young peoples are in relationships in the sense of promising someone to marry them and them promising to marry you and just spending time together without physical contact. Others avoid that all together and it's not rare for a girl or a guy to never be in a relationships before marriage. Not everyone is as chaste of course but even those people avoid to do it in public and a large portion of the population talks about them in a bad way.
So no Skyrim isn't bad because it is sexless, for an religious Algerian as myself seeing a guy kissing a girl outside of marriage is already TOO MUCH physical contact. Everybody is free to do wahever they want and I don't want to shame anyone for anything but I know I would never do that.
Obviously I don't think Bethesda did this for religious or cultural reasons but it's funny to see liberal occidentals thinking that the way they see relationships as universal natural things that every man and women do and don't think for a second that other cultures or religions exists.
"What's the fine for necrophilia?" ~Oblivion NPC who's name i forgot
Oh, the Steward of Markarth has you get a Stallion's Potion for "stamina"
And the alchemist says that it's "popular among young men".
@@erichudson205 Indeed
I loved morrowind's story probably one of the best story games, for oblivion the quest design was peak and i still remember that one dark brotherhood quest where you go into a party and kill everyone without them knowing who is doing the killing. For skyrim I like the crafting and exploring
seriously. skyrim isn't notable in story or even combat, it's notable in "oh hey a elder scrolls game that wasn't made before 2010."
there's a reason people can only really play the game with mods
Yes, Morrowind basically had a big political background with many layers and I loved it. Still one of the best narratives in a western game.. obviously the best in any Bethesda game lol.
"No one even talks about sex, it's never alluded to, Nord babies are delivered by storks!"
There are actually two women in game who are currently pregnant. Neither of them are Nords, sure, but they absolutely had sex and are planning to welcome a new member of the family. One of your fetch quests is literally to get a book so the parents can help the unborn child stay connected to its culture.
"why is violence badass while sexuality is off limits?"
A question plaguing western media for ages. Really shows how much even Skyrim was designed by commity to be as inoffensive as it could manage.
Not every game needs to have sexual themes. Skyrim works without it.
It’s not “strange”
If you watch the video he elaborates that the lack of those themes isn't the problem but the overall sterility and lifelessness in the writing.
I agree that you don't need those themes but you can't have only bone with no meat on it either.
@@michaelcarroll5801 SO MANY people in this comment section obviously saw the title, went straight to the comments to write their "actually i like no sex", and then left
I think the reason why Skyrim is s@xless because s@x scenes were very controversial & also because despite being M Rated they didn't want it to be too M Rated so kids can still play Skyrim. Also the woman who was with 3 men is bad because at least one of them was already married & it's revenge for treating her employee like garbage.
There are literal decapitations in Skyrim. It's not a suitable game for children.
@@roberthudson3386 True but millions of kids have played games like Call of Duty & Grand Theft Auto & they have parents who don't care as long as it's not softcore p®0πigraphic.
Plus the last time their were naughty files in an elder scrolls game the game got smacked with an Adults Only rating from the ESRB. And the game had to be recalled.
@@roberthudson3386while this is definitely true, OP also isn’t really wrong. This I can only really talk about American sensibilities, from what I understand other countries are hard in both, but there is a difference in how we treat violence vs sex. Think about how action movies can skirt by with a pg13 rating despite having a ton of violence or even death. Or how shows like the power puff girls, a show for young children, shows them punching bad guys almost every episode. Those have been deemed tame enough to show young audiences. Overt Sexual themes or nudity rarely gets that same lenience.
Why are you censoring the word sex?? Are you 12?
There’s no shortage of sex available absolutely everywhere, one game without it isn’t the end of the world. Considering the game is still a favorite well over a decade later, seems nobody cares about the lack of porn.
Sex is both hinted at and very clear to see with open clues. Some very freaky. I don't need people bumping uglies in my game unless I want to mod it in. It's a refreshing change after playing other games which have it. Believe it or not I prefer the bisexuality because you can create your own sexual background for them. I do think they are shallow in Skyrim, but Fallout 4 did a good job giving them more personality while still maintaining an open sexual background.
It's weird how we can only adopt kids in Skyrim, like I want my own kids with my wife, it's so weird and annoying, that's why I don't like to play Skyrim
ngl, that bio-preference hurts a little
In the Thieves guild, after you get Saphire back into the guild hideout, viper the fleet will actually make an attempt at hitting on her. He is basically immediately shot down but it still is mentioned. There probably are other mentions that I haven't noticed but they do pop up occasionally
ah yes molag bal, what does he do to people to make them into vampires, its on the tip of my tongue, something with an r
okay, just to be clear, not trying to an apologist, no #molagbaldidnothingwrong, but it happened once
The reason there's no sex in skyrim is because skyrim players don't have sex so players won't relate
As an autistic man, this is one of the reasons I like skyrim.
As an autistic man, this is one of the reasons I dont like skyrim
@@jab9109 mods got you covered
@@jab9109 perfectly balanced
"Make love like a saber tooth" you can hear this is Riften's market.
Lord of the Rings doesn't have sex either because it's not relevent to the plot of the story. Bethesda wanted to tell a traditional high fantasy story but wanted to keep it appropriate enough for parents to feel comfortable with their teenagers playing it.
I will say unmarried Jarls is a bit strange though
I always assumed the bonus you get from sharing a bed with your lover implies more than sleeping next to them.
The companions praise you if you get a shot in on the giant
Meanwhile Morrowind: "Your past reincarnation was betrayed by the living God Vivec himself"
"No way!"
"Yeah way, he stabbed you"
"Damn"
"With a penis sword"
"Damn....wait what"
And in Daggerfall Mannimarco the King if Worms had strippers in his inner sanctum, and there was "A Rude Song" about how dark elves will screw anyone, anywhere.
Well I don’t enjoy games with sexual content like that so Skyrim was perfectly fine for me. I just want a fun story of adventure. I go save a town, give gifts to my two kids, build another house for my husband, and kill a dragon all in the same afternoon. It’s perfect!
I will admit, I love Skyrim, but I do wish that you had a little more interaction with your spouses rather than "make me food, give me money, now bye!" With a later addition of Hearthfire to be "How are the kids?" I'm not asking to get down and dirty, but maybe a hug animation (could have been added after Dawnguard since they added a similar embrace-like animation for vampire lords) or even a very stiff kiss where you lean your heads in closer and have a kiss sound effect. They sometimes just feel like a money and food generator, and you can get a spouse by doing a favor for them or literally by giving someone 500 gold (aka all the mercenaries). Like, if you are going to add this mechanic to the game, at least add something to make it feel like you are married rather than them saying "hello my love" and giving you money and food.
Sexlessness? Bro clearly hasn’t seen my modded skyrim
Even the dead bodies aren't sexless down in Skyrim town.
Serana and Cicero being the two characters I have the easiest time finding people thirsting over because of how they actually behave in the game is both extremely telling and incredibly funny. Not complaining, though, I love horrid little murder clowns and I am happy a lot of people are fond enough of him to make fun drawings and mods and share them, and vampires are great, as well.
I love that you can befriend Cicero & he hangs out at your town/estate joking about the Mother telling him to off you. AFAIK he never does, it's just this cute friendly joke you two have as pals.
I think it would be fair to compare Skyrim to its peers instead of Baldurs gate. There's a reason why the mods community is pretty strong for Skyrim. Because the engine is malleable and people still play it which should say a lot about this game.
Skyrim was the only open world sandbox game at that time at this scale. It's understandable that they kept some NPCs essential. As the game was prone to breaking. Nobody did anything like what Bethesda was doing. And in that fragile frame they built they made a game you're still talking about today.
>the only open world sandbox game at the time at this scale
Bethesds themselves made a better open world sandbox game 5 years before skyrim
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that's its own video in itself and theres lots of it made already where your comment would've been relevant. that's not the point im raising. it's as assanine to compare any game with that much age gap. especially when you're judging an old game to the current standard. by 2011 oblivion was already feeling dated. but that doesn't make it an inferior game. the quests and storyline are still enjoyable and so was the atmosphere. it's the same point with comparing skyrim to baldur's gate 3. let alone comparing skyrim to oblivion.
oblivion and skyrim has its own pluses and setbacks. i wont say one is superior over the other since it would be a lie. some days i like oblivion's vibe and play that, most of the time i play skyrim. but anyone who plays both gaames can see and feel the difference in graphics alone for example. and though oblivion is bigger in scale, it literally feels emptier.
Bethesda certainly doesn't shy away from dark sexual human nature. Just look up the lore behind the daughters of coldharbour and their 'ritual' with Molag Bal. Some would die.
I definitely think the character work holds Skyrim back a lot. I love the worldbuilding and the open world itself, but I hate that characters only ever achieve shallow, surface level writing. I always use Camilla Valerius as an example of this surface level writing. As a character, she has so much to work with, she's headstrong, dreams of adventure and is more than willing to offer to go get the Golden Claw herself while arguing with Lucan. She'll talk to you and guide you to the bridge and just leaves there to go back to Lucan, without any opportunity to develop her further.
Whereas I wish I could ask/convince her if she'd like to come with me to help me get the claw back for her brother and give her that taste of the adventure she's been wanting and threatening Lucan with while also getting some interesting, individual dialogue throughout the quest from her. It would've been an interesting origin story/personal quest to achieve a follower, followed by an argument/interaction with Lucan when she comes back, in which you can convince her to stay safe with Lucan, or encourage her to explore her desire for adventure with you, promising Lucan that you'll keep her safe. It would've served as an introduction to follower mechanics, and built on the story of a character most players will meet, while also creating an emotional bond and resonance between the Dragonborn and her that makes sense for a follower relationship.
I also highly dislike that she's used in a quest where she's the object of desire for two manipulative characters who both play stupid games to win her affection, and we don't get the opportunity to inform her about the bad behaviour of both men, just the one we currently have the letter for. It would've been so much better if we got the ability to inform on both of them, and (if we don't take into account the wider follower story I re-wrote before) got the opportunity to take her as a follower.
Skyrim is packed with these characters who have strong foundations to be built upon to develop actual character, intention and emotional connection with the player, but never actually get the opportunity to advance beyond the strong foundations, simply having their story end at the foundations, rather than get any deeper.
This is way overthought. Skyrim is a shallow game. Everything is pretty shallow. Why would we expect the romance system to be any different?
Another factor is that Skyrim was likely shooting for a lower content rating.
Despite all that The Most Popular Skyrim Mods are coomer mods.
Those types of mods are popular in every game
Why should a game set in a fantasy setting based off of a hybrid between the Medieval period and the Roman Era have the sexual ethics of Post-1960s America and Europe?
TES is not even close to the medieval period or the Roman era
It’s an entirely foreign world, and their views on sexuality wouldn’t have an applicable analogue (free gay marriage is entirely fine in Tamriel while it’s still in contest today)
The point is being entirely devoid of sexuality is unrealistic
OP trying to sound smart but failing
One logic that seems to fly wayyy over your head; Why add sex in a game when it doesn't involve you? Remember, this was released in 2011, gamers had different priorities.
"I Hire You For 100 Gold. . . Anyways Wanna Get Married" - Literally The Dragonborn
BG3 being a fairly explict game makes sense in lore. The forgotten realms, as written by notorious dirty old man Ed Greenwood, is a setting where everyone is bisexual, there's a brothel on every corner, and orgies are fun community activities.
The elder scrolls is worse than this, arguably, considering Molag Bal and whatnot... making the sexlessness of Skyrim make little sense at all.
Yknow what, I went into this video asking the same question “Why would you think about this, this is a weird thing to obsess over” but I leave the video agreeing with you. Especially with a people inspired by viking culture; who were infamous for having concubines and their kidnapping of women during raids. Not saying that the Nords should have been like that, but their obvious Norse motifs in their religion and culture makes it weird that they’re so… christian(?) in their piousness towards sex and marriage. The mention about the Jarls not having children is a strong example too, they could have even had an interesting plotline of a Jarl being unmarried and his/her court being pushy about them having children to secure the inheritance line. You could’ve been sent by the Priestess of Mara to help them find a mate!
As a person who is uncomfy with sexy stuff I find a lot of comfort in Skyrim.
Don't want to come across as if i'm hating on this, but im confused about most of the points here. I get the critiques about the linearity, but the sexlessness?
I come across lots of little hints, stories, books and dialog that mention sex all the time... you can't really miss it.
So your problem might actually be that you're not reading into it correctly. Because so many others do notice sex being mentioned.
Honestly, is sex appeal really that necessary? Maybe you are used to playing way dirtier games I guess and now you find it lacking in comparison 😅
Remember, the most important thing is the story, you don't need horny teen npcs having sex all the time to tell it??? Kind of weird to me be honest.
I think he's just using the topic to just say "Skyrim bad cause I only look at surface level"
"the jarls don't have husbands/wives"
the jarl of morthal has 2 childs and her husband is the steward, who sleeps in the same bed as her
Also : Elisif is the widow of torygg and it's a major theme in skyrim's story
@@sunbro8093 also didn't balgrufs wife canonically die.
@@andrewgreenwood9068 I don't know, she's basically never mentioned as far as I'm aware. Only Nelkir say that he has not the same mother that his siblings, while implying it's a secret. So maybe jarl ballin' is not really into marriage, or at least a faithful one
You get to see sex in Skyrim as much as Todd Howard will see sex in his entire life, the developers were not allowed to make Todd insecure
I'm sure my theory just works.
But then again the last good game Bethesda made was Morrowind
I do like romance in videogames but Baldur's Gate 3 definitely needs to tone down the hornyness.
Nah
Tell me you played/watched the game during the first couple of months without telling me about doing so:
ye
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э didnt they nerf it a while back?
@@futurewario9591 yeah. I ended up putting the game down because It was feeling more like a dating Sim than an rpg.
I honestly thought you would bring up the conversation of how many creatures are presumably genderless, such as Falmer, Aedra and Daedra, dremora, animals such as wolves or sabre tooth tigers, and Giants. It's a question of "Is there an answer in the lore, or were separate models simply not inserted?" Maybe there's an underlying issue we haven't touched on, like congenital diseases where a person grows and develops as sexually dimorphic (XXY, Klinefelter syndrome, among other defects)? Could this be what's going on with the Giants or Falmer? Do some of the listed examples reproduce asexually, or have no practical use for organic sex? Or are they like Moclans in The Orville and conspire to eliminate evidence of anything different from being regarded as an all-male species, going as far as to mutilate their babies to conform to a standard?
I'm pretty sure Molag Bal and his Mace beg to differ on the lack of sex. Though, to be fair, that's a little less consensual. On that dark note, I remember the innkeeper in Riveren being a deadric worshipper that gets it on wearing deadric boots. As well as the fact there is the entire situation with the cult of Dibela.
Baldur’s Gate 3 is awesome in this regard, but it’s not the main focus. The whole story and game world feels like a thoughtfully written fantasy novel. It’s probably one of the few games that I was get immersed into. Skyrim doesn’t really had the same level of immersion because all game mechanics and ingredients were there, but it could be much better
TES is honestly kind of being sexless since Morrowind. Only a strip club and a quest for a male order bride.
Sex exists in Skyrim it’s just not front and center, because why would it be, in Markarth Alva seduced Hroggar into killing his family, the jarl even says “lust will drive a man to terrible things”, Serana in dawnguard talks about SA being part of the ritual that turned her into a vampire, Sapphire in the thieves guild, there’s plenty of little hints and full on dialogue options that show sex is very much a thing in Skyrim
in the anniversary edition they added a mission where you find out this guys wife is cheating on him and it felt so outlandish for skyrim because of… this. I was like wait, ppl have sex in tamriel?
the only sexed up person in tamriel is barenziah forreal 💀
read the argonian maid(morrowind book but still in tamriel)
Then you weren't paying attention to all of the things that allude to sex in the game. The necromancers who has a harem of ghost women who are his slaves and he calls playthings, the lusty argonian maid books, Haegla and the bunkhouse being a brothel, two NPCs being pregnant, all of the bandit camps with dead, naked women bodies in them, and so much more.
I love Skyrim and its stories. It's mythic and legendary storytelling, not so much about interpersonal relationships. I'm not playing the game about dragons and giants to hear stories about who's sleeping with who, I'm playing to fantasize about being a wizard. The world has excellent atmosphere and environmental storytelling that feels much bigger and older than the people living in it.
Also, my response to anyone who says the battles are too small: play on a higher difficulty. Of course it's not going to feel compelling when you're just steamrolling enemies.
The difficulty is artificial oh now the dragon has 4x the hp and hits 4x harder and I do .25 x the damage yeah it becomes such a slog that yeah it won't be small just tedious and boring. Like I like skyrim I probably have close to 500 hours in it ...unmodded and probably like 2k modded cause that combat is trash unmodded.
The thing is I want to feel like a wizard and I will say skyrim is the worst at that even with mods the magic system is mostly energy balls and energy streams. Magic system doesn't feel that magical not accounting how bad magic scales. Like I want to ignite my sword with visual magic fire sword s sword with crackling lighting bolts instead we only get enchanted weapons with a color overlay. I want to feel like a god when casting spells meanwhile I can become archmage even without a magic build. And the archmage doesn't really even feel like a powerful wizard non at the college do the world of skyrim is big in size but it is small oblivion felt bigger and had better mages guild even if manimarco looked lame.
But just because of that doesn't mean some parts can't be talked about and criticised... Yes Skyrim is primarily about dragons and civil wars but so is the witcher... And just because someone brought up a criticism about a topic that quite irrelevant in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean it can't be discussed
@@rebirthofgodrics907 Sorry but if you're not playing at a high difficulty then you only have yourself to blame for boring combat. There's so many kinds of magic in the game that I can't understand why you say it's just "energy balls and energy streams." Of course if you play on easy mode then you can just smash through mindlessly and never give a thought to strategy or skill trees or anything like that.
@@levisamom5069 Actually it's not even valid criticism since there are many examples of sexuality in the game. Not paying attention to the story and then saying the story is bad isn't a good argument.
@@BringYerOwnBomb I’ve played on legendary difficulty cause I used to play all games on the hardest difficulty and it was boring it’s just an hp sponge there’s nothing fun about % difficulty it’s more tedious than fun. It is just energy balls and stream there a few different variations like the cloaks but all the cloaks do the same it’s just a recolor and different damage types the illuion spells are just energy balls that don’t do damage but rather infuriate or calm there’s the invisibility that doesn’t matter cause high enough sneak makes it so you can walk in front of them crouched and not be seen. Morrowind magic is better and it’s a much older game, also harder from the get go, it has the same trash type of difficulty though.
Alteration is the only magic that’s kind of unique but not really the magic in Skyrim is boring. Skyrim is only fun with mods and even with mods magic isn’t great that game is cursed with unsatisfying magic. The games have horrible ai too making it even worse. I don’t play mindlessly smashing through I only play rpgs making builds is one of my favorite parts of playing a game. Difficulty has never changed my opinion of a game the game is either fun or not. Elden ring is an easy game and I’ve played through it 15 around times already monster hunter dos is a hard game and I love it. I like Skyrim but with mods otherwise is just a barely above average game.
I agree and disagree with a lot in this video but i do get what your overarching opinion is so im not gonna get heated about it.
Though I will say, mentioning dragon age 2 Isabella and baldurs gate three is probably the opposite side of the spectrum when it comes to good expression of sexuality. Not to be prude but certain moments in BG3 are just edgy sex jokes that do NOT land and are very uncomfortable and weren't needed.
As for DA2 Isabella, she's a stereotypical sexy woman with most dialogue just innuendos, including dialogue with hawke (mostly the snarky/comedy route tbf). Not saying shes a bad character but holy we get it, you're hot. HOWEVER, most of dragon age of a series i will agree is the best form of overt sexuality that isnt always straight up mentioning/showing sex but wont shy away from occasional innuendos (other than the previously mentioned character that specifically does that way too much lmao)
I just hope I'm not jinxing it for the next dragon age game
As a guard you’d be surprised to see how many bedside tables I’ve seen with stamina potions beside them.
Someone clearly never walked past Nazeem as a shirtless male Dragonborn… 😉
I want the next elderscrolls game to have npcs occasionally comment that they saw a bear float up into the sky before crashing down
You can tell by the comments of most of these nerds, Skyrim was made sexless for its prudish US audience. I'm convinced they wanted to avoid controversy and sanitize the game, and not only did it work, people keep buying rereleases of the exact same game.
I wouldn't blame the writers for this specifically, a LOT of important content and world building got cut from the game. With the majority of the leftover dialogue being exposition for the lore, guilds or quests than anything else. It could have been a more enthralling game, but the game devs understood that appealing to a general audience would be more profitable.
You say that like Bethesda themselves aren't part of that exact prudish audience. My guy, go read and listen to their interviews, they're basically a bunch of middle-aged dads making games for themselves where they can shut their brains off for a few hours after work. They don't want to add in anything to deep or complicated because that would tire out their old man brains, not to mention Emil himself being a huge evangelical, prudish baby.
The dragons are back and there's a civil war going on...and all you can think about is sex? Talos preserve us!
Exactly brother may the 9 divines watch over us
Go away, Heimskr.
1:20 I don't think you know this, but Skyrim has one pregnant Redguard and her husband in Dawnstar
Skyrim was developed only few years after GTA SA hot coffee shit storm, so many developers chickened out of shrex all together.
“there is no sex in skyrim”
*The Lusty Argonian: “am I a joke to you?!”*
i want to erase that book from the collective concuss its literally a one off joke thats been stretched out for *22 fucking years.* and people still act like its shocking in the age of furry p*** all over the internet? like having 1 22 year old refence to sex is nothing lmao
Being fair, IIRC the book existed prior to Skyrim. Not only that, it censored Barenziah, a book that had more sexuality in Morrowind than Skyrim.
Barbed penises.
@@ghostwizard7597 In public at a Riften tavern where everyone stopped and watched, even the bard. Also Daggerfall having full on female nudity.
The reason there's so little sex or anything referencing it is honestly probably becuz the 2000s and early 2010s was a time where there were alot of sex related controversies in gaming, the most famous example being the hot coffee mod in gta sa obviously
I think you forgot about arondil. And Haelga in riften. And the sanguine questline. And the priestesses of dibella. And the lusty aronian maid. And the pile of those books in a riekling den
you mentioning npc’s being jerks in skyrim reminded me of my kajhiit run where i realized bethesda had coded in racism 😭 ill walk by two people and hear em go “i hope he doesnt try to rob us” like BRO 😂😂 it did make the world feel alive tho tbf
I think the Peter Jackson lotr movie really typecasted fantasy as sexless when the vast majority of fantasy universes are horny af
Spoiler for TES 6:
It will disappoint us all.
Starfield went even more sexless, there's a sin city whose main economy is designer drugs and they have a club where instead of strippers you get weird men in spandex suits flailing around
I have a blast when I'm in a bad mood watching the Always Marco film/review & imitating the Neon City dancers. They are so lame I can shake off most bad days just doing that.
I'm fine with the game as is. If you want the characters to f*ck like rabbits, there are mods for that. It wasn't written to be a dating/sex sim.
I agree with many of the criticisms of the game, but very few games can do EVERYthing, much less do it all well.
Bethesda probably could have included everything this guy wanted in the game, but we'd be sitting here today still waiting for it to be released.
My main disagreement is that Haelga definitely deserves to be shamed for being a floozy especially after she tries to involve her niece in it.
Yeah she deserves the shame. It’s fine that she loves sex, but the problem is she has no morality about it. She’s trying to convince men to cheat on their wives and trying to involve her niece who clearly wants nothing to do with it.
Boli even says that she got him drunk, and that he can't even remember the encounter. She definitely deserves to be shamed for that. Speaking of Boli, his wife will throw herself at you if you're a male character, and there's a note in their house from a private investigator that Boli hired to determine if she was cheating on him.
In Oblivion, there is Falanu the dark elf at the Alchemy store in Skingrad who is a literal necrophiliac.
What i dont get is why it isn't shared between series. Fallout 3, NV, and 4 all have fade to black sex scenes, and are generally much more in your face with their sexual aspects. It makes it clear that Bethesda doesnt want to hide the sex, they just want to keep it out of TES specifically.
Skyrim is rated 18+ but it doesn't have any sex scenes Unlike baldur gate 3 that dose. I guess Bethesda old creative engine can't handle it.