I’m so tired of hearing Justin Herbert not being a leader. Everyone in the locker room is all in on Herbert. He’s not just some good quarterback that’s “chill”. Watch Justin Herbert give the game ball to Staley, that’s just a glimpse of his leadership.
He SET 3 more RECORDS in the Chiefs game & is on track for 5, 000 yards in his 2nk year Ties another record & needs just 6 passing TDS to break Dan Marino's TDS passing mark for 1st 2 years in the NFL ?And 8 more TD passes will tie another 2nk year mark, too .
Chargers are the better team. So I'm more impressed with burrow. He makes throws that are unreal, just like Herbert but to me burrows throws are tougher.
Lets let it play out. I think we could see these guys go head to head for a decade or more. Burrow is dang good too. Takes a full year to come back from the knee injury. He has some great receivers too. Let the def catch up and see what happens. I think you need to wait a few years before anyone can say this guy is better etc. Lets see them botn in a playoff game. Playoff wins make a HUGE difference in opinion. But damn.. that throw Sunday.. the kids throws dimes. But I will reserve judgement until he wins a few playoff games
@@513ovaeverything7 agree. Burrow is pretty damn good. I can tell you the. lions jets broncos raiders browns Steelers Texans colts redskins eagles 49ers Seahawks Vikings bears falcons saints and panthers Even the Bucs with Brady at 44 Will all take him for 2. No 1’s
@@sharifs649 if you think that equivalates to Justin Herbert being far better you are sadly mistaken. By your logic Joe flacco was a better qb than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
We had a vocal leader in Rivers. Love the guy, think he should be an (eventual) HoFer. However, even in this short time, Herbert has shown he's clutch and calm under pressure, away games on east coast with loud stadiums, he comes through. If fits with Stanley's vision, he doesn't want a team to rely on emotions, he wants passion, but consistency and execution are more valued.
@@ElGalIo2 Burrows game vs us reminded me of Rivers. Gutsy, fiery, leading his team back, pressing, then throwing an interception in the endzone to seal it.
Loved Brees. I did not like Rivers. Too much bark, not enough substance. And just could not produce off-schedule. Herbert’s his opposite. Only thing in common is height.
@@randallturner9094 Watched them both live and it is not even close as far as physical Skiils Rivers had a better arm and was bigger. If I was the GM I make the same choice. Brees was a good QB, but at the time... the eye test. It's Rivers. Careers took a different path. What people fail to understand or remember also is that Brees shoulder was crushed in 2nd to last game of season. Tough choice. That Patriot playoff game... ugg if we win that we win it all the other teams were weak that year. Rivers as a gamer and like to talk trash. So does Brady Brady runs his mouth a lot.
@@toddgorman2512 Rivers arm was mediocre. Or, actually, who knows - he didn’t have velocity but his mechanics were so “unorthodox” he lost his mechanical advantage. Post-op, Brees had better arm strength. Doesn’t matter. Rivers just absolutely sucked when the pocket closed. He’d just do his little head duck and shuffle forward and hope he survived, Brees scrambled and sling it. The issue was DRAFTING RIVERS. Not letting Brees go (after fucking Turnstile Harris, our LT, let the whole Bronco team and everyone else that year tap-dance on Bree’s’ head) when he hurt his shoulder on the fumble recovery. Dude, I could go on about this for a novel. I was a rabid, knowledgeable Charger fan since the 70’s. Rivers was a braying ass. Held us back as a franchise for a decade. Honestly, I was even relieved Tyrod Taylor happened, Herbert is like a fairy tale.
Bro. No talent in Cincinnati?? You got Chase, Boyd, Mixon, Tee Higgins, a solid ass D. The notion that Joe is ready for the moment and not Justin? Lol look at his prime time game stats. Big games and moments he’s always come up big.
@@Ohsceptic Higgins is mid. He’s only getting yards now because teams have shifted their defenses to cover Chase. Before that, Higgins completely blew.
Give it a break and give Justin Herbert and the chargers credit instead of hating.Justin Herbert was rookie of the Year breaking all the records along the way and he's still breaking records.Before he's done he's going to own almost every single record as an NFL quarterback. And will no doubt have multiple SUPERBOWLS.
Look at the game log. Lol the same type of defenses Herbert struggles with, are the same teams that burrow flourishes against. Herbert checks down a lot and is a one read qb whereas burrow is a better field general
@@jayr399 Why , Joe is OUT of they Play Offs this year , now , too ! Correct , a 2 game losing streak & oh, yes , Joe has played the Bears , Jags, Loins & the Jets ! PLEASE show OR better tell ME , were has Justin played those BAD ass teams AT [THIS } year ! Oh, wait , he HASN"T yet ! Only gets 1 of those this year , Texans at there place in 2 weeks, that is IT ! Why are your Bungals going home early this year 2- 2 VRS those BAD ASS teams, is [ WHY ] ! PS and it's NOT a check down , if it's the play & YOUR NOT looking around the field ! It's the call / play , get it RIGHT .
Shouldn’t even be a discussion. Joe is good but Herbert is special! The discussion should be Mahomes vs Herbert. Herbert won rd #1, EASY. 4 more days & we get rd #2!! Gonna be a beauty!
@@jayr399 clearly you don’t understand nuance and the effect of play calling and offensive scheme in assessing stats. There’s a reason so many analysts have him in the top 5-7 and Burrow 10-15.
The NFL is way different level then college, Herbert is my go to guy, Justin's ego is more of it factor⚡💙☠💙💙💨 everyone under estimates Herbert of college experience and Herbert just made history Sunday by being the first QB to throw 30tds in the first 2 season of his career Brady never did that mahomes Rodgers like when does he get the respect that he deserves 💙⚡💨☠💙
Herbert has about 9 or 10 4th qtr comeback victories; Burrow is good but Herbert is the answer and the decision is easy when you consider his size/strength/arm. And the talent on both teams with comparable.
You notice every time they try to say things that make Burrow better it’s never his physical traits and what he does better on the field. It’s always about his “IT” factor, demeanor, and leadership. Sounds like they giving out high school superlatives. Don’t get me wrong, Burrow is a stud but Herbert is a special talent period.
@@encryptonize3098 pretty out of context. 1 was batted even then he had the character to nearly come back and win the game as most QBs would have been completely rattled
Lol this is hilarious. Everybody forgets that Herbert was not a top 5 pick. He’s already surpassed Burrow in so many ways who was the First pick overall. This is just hilarious that people forget Burrow is suppose to be the savior but people are blind if they take Burrow over Herbert. Hebert is already elite. Burrow couldn’t even get it done vs the 49ers when it counted smh
I think it’s pretty indisputable at this point that Herbert is better than Burrow. The size, the arm, and his ability to make plays with his legs are superior. The comment that the bengals aren’t as talented a team as the chargers is not true at all. The bengals have a better defense, better o-line, and better backs.
And 3 WR"S , we have only 2 & our No # 1 was OUT yesterday ! And Justin still played great ! Lets take Burrows no # 1 out & see ?SEEING he has 2 NO # 1 WRS , now . In fact there was a couple of games last year that Allen & Williams were NOT in ? Wins & Herbert was still great ! That's what playing for the Ducks can do for you & NO one brings up these points at ALL ?
Everyone is always talking about how Joe Burrow is tough because he takes unadvisable hits but forgets that Herbert stays in the pocket and gets leveled on 60yd touchdown bombs with nothing but smiles
Lmao wtf? Joe Burrow is the second highest graded qb by pff currently and he’s behind an offensive line that’s giving up the second highest pressure rate in the league… Herbert is doing less while being babied in the offense, while burrow is doing more in the most chaotic environment in the toughest division in the league
@@jayr399 Don't see why you're confused... Herbert had the worst OL in the NFL last year and still won OROY (yes I know it would've been really close if Burrow didn't get injured)and two of the 5 starters this year are out for the season. I was mainly talking about how Burrow dives head first into tackles. That's not his OL's fault (other than possibly being the reason he had to scramble). I think Burrow's an amazing QB but when he does that shit, he's not being tough, he's being stupid. Tough would be staying in the pocket and finding a receiver even if it means getting smashed. When Brandon Allen has to come in because Burrow dove head first into a LB, I'm sure you won't be super thrilled. I really hope that doesn't happen because Burrow's a great QB to watch but he doesn't give me any hope that he won't just become the next Andrew Luck
@@dylandushack994 so did burrow, y’all act like burrow was dog shyt last year? Lmao Herbert was still graded lower than burrow last year too. Y’all gotta understand that heaving one jump balls to 6 feet 4 recievers doesn’t mean you’re playing better. Joe burrow this year literally is doing way more with way less while being asked to do more… Herbert is doing way less with way more and being asked to do less.
@@jayr399 man you really don't read, do you? I said Burrow is great but I have no clue where you're getting this "Doing more with less". Burrow has statistically and literally done LESS with less. Also, that 60yd bomb last week was to Guyton, who happens to be 6'1" AND had two defenders by him.
@@dylandushack994 Joe burrow leads the league (by a whole mile and no one is even close) on touchdown throws that travel 30+ yards in the air He also leads the league on touchdowns of 20+ yards. The bengals throw the entire playbook at burrow and asked to throw into more advanced route concepts. He audibles out and changes protections etc etc. All of that while playing for the second worst offensive line in pass pro sets. Herbert doesn’t do that shyt. He checks down a lot, he’s a good little follower and follows whatever tf his play caller tells him to do. Doesn’t audible and he’s also a one read qb when you look at him closely. Also has a top 10 offensive line He’s still not playing better. He checks down a lot
They are dancing around something they are saying quite clearly. Durability. I can see Herbert getting hurt, but not as easily. I see Herbert hurting others being a more likely scenario. The guy's a tank. He's not at all brittle and doesn't back down from a collision. Part of getting hurt is a lack of commitment. If there's doubt. and the collision is unavoidable, that flinch can get you hurt. There's not a lot of that with # 10. You said it already! Why won't you go ahead and admit it? Talk about circumlocution!
He also broke his leg in high school, limited his college options. End of the day Herbert is a quarterback. And a big, tall target. I really hope he seriously gets into strength training and adds some more protective muscle.
@@kevincruz2674 I know re: weight gain, paying close attention. (“I lift.. does it not look like it?” lmao) dude, I was a run stopping linebacker in college, same weight, half a yard shorter. I’d break him with a clean shot. NFL defenders are another level up. And yeah, I watched him run thru the Chiefs’ LB in the EZ last year… Don’t DO THAT! It’s simple physics. Basketball players are vulnerable. Tall isn’t good.
@@randallturner9094 Okay, you're that linebacker in a collision with Burrough or Herbert. Who'd you rather it be? Burrough or Herbert without the flinch? I've got a broken collar bone still. Collision with a wall in center field. It's non-union, still f'd up. I was back out there in six weeks and can still throw.
Herbert, check the QBR list and check all the franchise records hes breaking. Any way you look at it whether it be durability, poise, pocket presence, arm strength, mobility. Herbert outperforms burrow in all those aspects. Stop this debate it's silly tbh
Herbert is the definition of poise under pressure, (he has the best rating in the league to prove it, along with yrds and touchdowns), the most clutch player (leads the NFL in 4th quarter rating, 4th down conversion EPA, 4th quarter comebacks, the most game-winning last drives). There's not much he hasn't done at this point that lessens his legend status. He is ice water in his veins cold, an assassin with the ball.
you would think people would let the "leadership" discourse around Herbert go since that was the only con/worry that GMs and analysts had in his scouting report going into the draft and then he proved to be the best QB from that draft. how is that even still the reason burrow vs herbert is being discussed?? clearly that "it" factor doesnt matter much lmao.
These questions that are posed about who’s better Herbert or Burrow, or anything akin to this are so fucking stupid and utterly ridiculous. It’s like saying, who is better? Eddie Van Halen or Stevie Ray Vaughan? John Coltrane versus Charlie Parker. Instead of ranking these great talents that we are blessed to enjoy, appreciate the fact that we get to see both of them playing at the same time. Thank you Mr. Burrow. Thank you Mr. Herbert. Keep up the great work.
@@lbo-private2748 Not really, because as soon as one of them has a bad game (God forbid), then the debate begins with, “See, I knew X was better than Y.”
What expections has Burrow surpassed?? The dude was the #1 pick overall vs the #6 overall pick, 3rd QB taken. Burrow is suppose to be looked at as a good QB, has he met those expectations? Not yet. Herbert was not suppose to be this good but has he surpassed all expectations? Ummm easy question yes. Hands down this is a stupid debate. They act like Herbert was a top 5 pick smh
Burrow is special but please do not say "hes playing with far less talent"..Keenan ran a 4.7 3rd rd,mike williams was a bust til Herbert and yes ran a 4.6,and Eckler was undrafted.tee hiigins,Jamar chase,Boyd, Joe Mixon all young elite players.do these guys even watch the friggin games?
Justin Herbert was the 3rd we taken out the draft he was under appreciated and for him to be breaking records and proved everyone wrong about him and now you guys are comparing him with the number 1 overall pick it has to be HERBERT
Justin Herbert is more physically gifted and excellent. I think Joe burrow it’s a more dynamic leader and competitor. As cliché as this sounds, you really can’t go wrong with either one if they’re in the right situation and system that can best utilize there skill set. It’s almost like comparing Joe Montana to Brett Favre. They both bring a different dynamic to the position but each dynamic is effective. The safe pick is Justin Herbert because you know what you’re going to get out of him. Something tells me if everything is on the line, that Joe Burrow is the guy you want in your fox hole. I’m going with Burrow by the most narrowest of margins.
I don’t think this is even a question now. Easily Justin Herbert over Burrow. He just does everything better and is more clutch than Burrow, Burrow is good but he’s definitely not on the same level as Herbert. Herbert is already a top 5 QB in the league as of now to Burrow he’s maybe a top 10 QB in the league
Pff Burrow (90) second in the league only to Tom Brady Hebert (86) Not even on Cousins level this year. People get fooled by one big heave a game but Herbert dink and dunks a lot…also he’s kinda a one read qb. Herbert doesn’t play well against exotic defenses whereas burrow’s best games this season is against teams that deploy advanced coverages
@@jayr399 So, they GET FOOLED ! Guess that is WHY HE is setting records & will set 2 MORE this week VRS the Chiefs ! Another RECORD that NO other QB has [EVER ] done in 101 years of the NFL ! I'm thinking your the ONE Fooled ! Must be a Dolphins OR Bengals fan ? PS , yes the dinks & dunks Fall way MORE on Swing Pass Joe , our OC , then it does ON our QB , bud ! Just ask some Loins fans about [MATT ] , who Joe coached him for years !
@@jayr399 yeah I can’t take you serious at all if you’re one of those who believe what PFF grade is, see I would take them serious if AT LEAST one of those guys was former NFL players, PFF is a joke. How come Burrow couldn’t execute against the chargers then? We are far from a top tier defense and he threw 2 INTs and got out dueled by Herbert on his own turf, Herbert wasn’t dink and dunk that game. You’re probably Dan Orlovsky little brother 😂
Herbert with all the big arm is a check down master. He has one big heave a game…and people go nuts. Haven’t seen Herbert play well against a defense that rotates safeties and linebackers around. He lost all those games and put up baker mayfield type of atrocity. Whereas burrow’s best games this season was against those type of defenses I guarantee you. 200% if Herbert played against the niners. He’d throw below 60% 1 touch down 1 pick like he always does
@@jayr399 PFF is low key a joke…and why are you on here on every comment bringing it up like PFF is the NFL bible. PFF isn’t objective it’s subjective just a bunch of nerdy guys making their OWN decisions on who should be graded higher because of their own personal opinion. How is a guy that leads the league in INTS ranked higher than multiple guys that are playing way better than him statistically.
@@masterchief2835 Burrow is graded higher because he takes shots downfield on tight window throws whereas Herbert plays more conservative and check downs a lot. In PFF big time throws offsets turnover worthy plays by 0.5 points
@@513ovaeverything7 yes I saw a quarterback get hit nearly every play against a charger defense who is subpar. And he missed half of last year. The concussions will come soon
@@charlesburge3074 if u watched the game u would have also heard the announcers speak on how we had two starting offensive lineman out. And Herbert was hit just as many times as burrow that game dude.
@@513ovaeverything7 borough is smaller he's already missed a half a year and his hand is hurting now. And the Chargers picked a left tackle who will be there for the next decade good luck with the wide receiver
@@charlesburge3074 you can’t even spell “Burrow” which lets me know you don’t actually watch football. You just watch highlights and go off of what you here other people say.
greater stuff with a lesser team? what? i get the lesser team but greater stuff? that is so subjective. i can tell you herbert does some GREAT stuff. you see one 65 yard throw but miss out on so many other great cannon throws through out his games, on 3rd downs, in critical moments of the game. multiple times holding 5 to 6 minute drives to finish out the game (3 times this year). I can keep going on. what greater stuff are you talking about?
@@drewbiegolf im trying to figure what greater stuff they’re talking about too… i know it isnt stats cause herbert leads burrow in almost every per game category outside of completion percentage
Burrow is playing on a team thats clearly not as talented as the Chargers. Joe is the one I'd want starting a new franchise, which was the question: so it's all a convo of intangibles since there is no team-basis for that decision. Right parts build around Burrow would turn out better for Joe's team than same parts made for Herberts fictional franchise.
@@coleworld2429 Which is easy if you are uninjured, to lead in those stats. Now, Skip, I mean- Greg: you can't use those stats to build a franchise around- it's all subjective intangibles since there's no precedent.
I’m so tired of hearing Justin Herbert not being a leader. Everyone in the locker room is all in on Herbert. He’s not just some good quarterback that’s “chill”. Watch Justin Herbert give the game ball to Staley, that’s just a glimpse of his leadership.
Well said
100%
Dude goes and celebrates with his recievers after every touchdown. Leader 💯.
Herbert is a role model for everyone, with his humility, and easy going nature tbh. I love the guy
Really well said. Exactly my feelings
Herbert is the first ever QB to throw 30+TDs first 2 seasons. 😳 🏈
He SET 3 more RECORDS in the Chiefs game & is on track for 5, 000 yards in his 2nk year Ties another record & needs just 6 passing TDS to break Dan Marino's TDS passing mark for 1st 2 years in the NFL ?And 8 more TD passes will tie another 2nk year mark, too .
Anybody who says Herbert has no charisma or leadership is clearly not paying attention. Team loves the guy what more do you want
Herbert makes me long for the days of Phillip Rivers. LOL
Burrow is always being compared to Herbert..... while Herbert is always being compared to Mahomes and Rogers..... there's your answer.
That said, Burrow is a helluva QB.... that late 4th quarter drive against SF was NFL Pro Ball, high level play.
@@Studio_Tone it was as impressive as his first 3 plus quarters were unimpressive. Your first comment does say it all.
I'm taking Herbert... and im not even thinking it twice.. the kid had me last year... but that almost 70 yard throw ... WAS INSANE.
Not insane. /
Chargers are the better team. So I'm more impressed with burrow. He makes throws that are unreal, just like Herbert but to me burrows throws are tougher.
Wait a sec it was 59 on the ground, no it was 63.8 in the air, no it was 67 from the hash marks, must be 70 over water.
@@lbo-private2748 pretty simple math, he launched it from his own 34, Guyton caught it at about the 2 which adds up to ~ 64 yards aka 63.8
I can't believe Dan even paused. There is no comparison. Herbert is far better and has a higher ceiling.
Lets let it play out. I think we could see these guys go head to head for a decade or more. Burrow is dang good too. Takes a full year to come back from the knee injury. He has some great receivers too. Let the def catch up and see what happens. I think you need to wait a few years before anyone can say this guy is better etc. Lets see them botn in a playoff game. Playoff wins make a HUGE difference in opinion. But damn.. that throw Sunday.. the kids throws dimes. But I will reserve judgement until he wins a few playoff games
Herbert is not “far” better than burrow dude… you are trippin
@@513ovaeverything7 agree. Burrow is pretty damn good. I can tell you the. lions jets broncos raiders browns Steelers Texans colts redskins eagles 49ers Seahawks Vikings bears falcons saints and panthers Even the Bucs with Brady at 44 Will all take him for 2. No 1’s
@@513ovaeverything7 hes far better stonger arm taller faster stays healthy more td less int what else do you need
@@sharifs649 if you think that equivalates to Justin Herbert being far better you are sadly mistaken. By your logic Joe flacco was a better qb than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
Where's Tua in this conversation? I'm a Charger fan and once a day I still thank the Dolphins. Thank you Dolphins!
That is were Tua talk ENDS ! They took the WRONG QB !
Never forget the Dolphins sacrifice
Herbert!😜⚡️
We had a vocal leader in Rivers. Love the guy, think he should be an (eventual) HoFer. However, even in this short time, Herbert has shown he's clutch and calm under pressure, away games on east coast with loud stadiums, he comes through. If fits with Stanley's vision, he doesn't want a team to rely on emotions, he wants passion, but consistency and execution are more valued.
Love Rivers!!! But you’re absolutely right. Herbert is just a Swiss knife… He can do it all.
@@ElGalIo2 Burrows game vs us reminded me of Rivers. Gutsy, fiery, leading his team back, pressing, then throwing an interception in the endzone to seal it.
Loved Brees. I did not like Rivers. Too much bark, not enough substance. And just could not produce off-schedule. Herbert’s his opposite. Only thing in common is height.
@@randallturner9094 Watched them both live and it is not even close as far as physical Skiils Rivers had a better arm and was bigger. If I was the GM I make the same choice. Brees was a good QB, but at the time... the eye test. It's Rivers. Careers took a different path. What people fail to understand or remember also is that Brees shoulder was crushed in 2nd to last game of season. Tough choice. That Patriot playoff game... ugg if we win that we win it all the other teams were weak that year. Rivers as a gamer and like to talk trash. So does Brady Brady runs his mouth a lot.
@@toddgorman2512 Rivers arm was mediocre. Or, actually, who knows - he didn’t have velocity but his mechanics were so “unorthodox” he lost his mechanical advantage. Post-op, Brees had better arm strength. Doesn’t matter. Rivers just absolutely sucked when the pocket closed. He’d just do his little head duck and shuffle forward and hope he survived, Brees scrambled and sling it.
The issue was DRAFTING RIVERS. Not letting Brees go (after fucking Turnstile Harris, our LT, let the whole Bronco team and everyone else that year tap-dance on Bree’s’ head) when he hurt his shoulder on the fumble recovery.
Dude, I could go on about this for a novel. I was a rabid, knowledgeable Charger fan since the 70’s. Rivers was a braying ass. Held us back as a franchise for a decade. Honestly, I was even relieved Tyrod Taylor happened, Herbert is like a fairy tale.
Bro. No talent in Cincinnati?? You got Chase, Boyd, Mixon, Tee Higgins, a solid ass D. The notion that Joe is ready for the moment and not Justin? Lol look at his prime time game stats. Big games and moments he’s always come up big.
Chase, Burrow, and Mixon are something else, Higgins and Boyd are mid, their defense blows. I’d take Burrow over Herbert.
@@programking655 Higgins is not mid bro lol. Their defense is the 6th rank in the league
@@Ohsceptic Higgins is mid. He’s only getting yards now because teams have shifted their defenses to cover Chase. Before that, Higgins completely blew.
Easy , answers Herbert
JUSTIN HERBERT ALL DAY
Give it a break and give Justin Herbert and the chargers credit instead of hating.Justin Herbert was rookie of the Year breaking all the records along the way and he's still breaking records.Before he's done he's going to own almost every single record as an NFL quarterback. And will no doubt have multiple SUPERBOWLS.
Lots of excuses for Joe Burrow yet Justin Herbert still comes out on top.
Literally every excuse possible to defend Burrow
Look at the game log. Lol the same type of defenses Herbert struggles with, are the same teams that burrow flourishes against.
Herbert checks down a lot and is a one read qb whereas burrow is a better field general
@@jayr399 🙄🤣👏good try
@@jrsands
He lost to teams that rotate linebackers and safeties in coverage…
One read big ten qb
@@jayr399 Why , Joe is OUT of they Play Offs this year , now , too ! Correct , a 2 game losing streak & oh, yes , Joe has played the Bears , Jags, Loins & the Jets ! PLEASE show OR better tell ME , were has Justin played those BAD ass teams AT [THIS } year ! Oh, wait , he HASN"T yet ! Only gets 1 of those this year , Texans at there place in 2 weeks, that is IT ! Why are your Bungals going home early this year 2- 2 VRS those BAD ASS teams, is [ WHY ] ! PS and it's NOT a check down , if it's the play & YOUR NOT looking around the field ! It's the call / play , get it RIGHT .
Justincredible Airbert⚡most completions most tds most yards in first 2 seasons and humble about it.
Who said Herbert is not as verbal as Burrow in the locker room. We are not in there. We’re not in the huddle neither. Just another narrative.
Shouldn’t even be a discussion. Joe is good but Herbert is special! The discussion should be Mahomes vs Herbert. Herbert won rd #1, EASY. 4 more days & we get rd #2!! Gonna be a beauty!
Mahomes pff grade is 73, Burrow is 90 only second to Tom Brady.
Herbert is special but doesn’t use it enough. Burrow plays like Deshaun Watson
Herbert is not special. Herbert is great. /
@@jayr399 clearly you don’t understand nuance and the effect of play calling and offensive scheme in assessing stats. There’s a reason so many analysts have him in the top 5-7 and Burrow 10-15.
@@cjcurtis8944 he’s a casual man…if PFF grades him higher then it must be true because this guy thinks PFF is the nfl grading bible lol.
The NFL is way different level then college, Herbert is my go to guy, Justin's ego is more of it factor⚡💙☠💙💙💨 everyone under estimates Herbert of college experience and Herbert just made history Sunday by being the first QB to throw 30tds in the first 2 season of his career Brady never did that mahomes Rodgers like when does he get the respect that he deserves 💙⚡💨☠💙
Herbert. I'm not saying easy choice. But watching from afar he looks far better to me. 👊💪
Herbert has about 9 or 10 4th qtr comeback victories; Burrow is good but Herbert is the answer and the decision is easy when you consider his size/strength/arm. And the talent on both teams with comparable.
Burrow is literally doing more with less and Herbert is doing way less with way more. Context matters.
@@jayr399 Herbert only had the worst o line last year..
You notice every time they try to say things that make Burrow better it’s never his physical traits and what he does better on the field. It’s always about his “IT” factor, demeanor, and leadership. Sounds like they giving out high school superlatives. Don’t get me wrong, Burrow is a stud but Herbert is a special talent period.
Well being more physically gifted isn't the everything.... Reason why Batman is compared to superman
@@meditationmayham3590 well i mean burrow threw 3 ints in a row so i feel that burrows "decision making" shouldn't be talked
@@encryptonize3098 pretty out of context. 1 was batted even then he had the character to nearly come back and win the game as most QBs would have been completely rattled
Lol this is hilarious. Everybody forgets that Herbert was not a top 5 pick. He’s already surpassed Burrow in so many ways who was the First pick overall. This is just hilarious that people forget Burrow is suppose to be the savior but people are blind if they take Burrow over Herbert. Hebert is already elite. Burrow couldn’t even get it done vs the 49ers when it counted smh
@@jojofrijas6512 did you watch the game? Burrow played amazing
Herbert all the way ta’ the BANK!
I think it’s pretty indisputable at this point that Herbert is better than Burrow. The size, the arm, and his ability to make plays with his legs are superior. The comment that the bengals aren’t as talented a team as the chargers is not true at all. The bengals have a better defense, better o-line, and better backs.
And 3 WR"S , we have only 2 & our No # 1 was OUT yesterday ! And Justin still played great ! Lets take Burrows no # 1 out & see ?SEEING he has 2 NO # 1 WRS , now . In fact there was a couple of games last year that Allen & Williams were NOT in ? Wins & Herbert was still great ! That's what playing for the Ducks can do for you & NO one brings up these points at ALL ?
Herbert without question. But if Herbert is a 93 in Madden next year, then Burrow is still a 90
I hate madden. They give Tom Brady 99 overall.
But they give Justin Herbert 86-88 overall.
Like what 😂
He’s the best QB in the league
@@kevincruz2674 Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the league
@@kevincruz2674 You’re not very bright. Brady, Rodgers, and Mahomes are all definitely better, and Murray and Stafford are most likely better.
Everyone is always talking about how Joe Burrow is tough because he takes unadvisable hits but forgets that Herbert stays in the pocket and gets leveled on 60yd touchdown bombs with nothing but smiles
Lmao wtf?
Joe Burrow is the second highest graded qb by pff currently and he’s behind an offensive line that’s giving up the second highest pressure rate in the league…
Herbert is doing less while being babied in the offense, while burrow is doing more in the most chaotic environment in the toughest division in the league
@@jayr399 Don't see why you're confused... Herbert had the worst OL in the NFL last year and still won OROY (yes I know it would've been really close if Burrow didn't get injured)and two of the 5 starters this year are out for the season.
I was mainly talking about how Burrow dives head first into tackles. That's not his OL's fault (other than possibly being the reason he had to scramble). I think Burrow's an amazing QB but when he does that shit, he's not being tough, he's being stupid. Tough would be staying in the pocket and finding a receiver even if it means getting smashed. When Brandon Allen has to come in because Burrow dove head first into a LB, I'm sure you won't be super thrilled. I really hope that doesn't happen because Burrow's a great QB to watch but he doesn't give me any hope that he won't just become the next Andrew Luck
@@dylandushack994 so did burrow, y’all act like burrow was dog shyt last year? Lmao
Herbert was still graded lower than burrow last year too. Y’all gotta understand that heaving one jump balls to 6 feet 4 recievers doesn’t mean you’re playing better.
Joe burrow this year literally is doing way more with way less while being asked to do more…
Herbert is doing way less with way more and being asked to do less.
@@jayr399 man you really don't read, do you? I said Burrow is great but I have no clue where you're getting this "Doing more with less". Burrow has statistically and literally done LESS with less. Also, that 60yd bomb last week was to Guyton, who happens to be 6'1" AND had two defenders by him.
@@dylandushack994
Joe burrow leads the league (by a whole mile and no one is even close) on touchdown throws that travel 30+ yards in the air
He also leads the league on touchdowns of 20+ yards.
The bengals throw the entire playbook at burrow and asked to throw into more advanced route concepts. He audibles out and changes protections etc etc.
All of that while playing for the second worst offensive line in pass pro sets.
Herbert doesn’t do that shyt. He checks down a lot, he’s a good little follower and follows whatever tf his play caller tells him to do. Doesn’t audible and he’s also a one read qb when you look at him closely. Also has a top 10 offensive line
He’s still not playing better. He checks down a lot
Herbert!
Justin is “EL Caballo Blanco”
They are dancing around something they are saying quite clearly. Durability. I can see Herbert getting hurt, but not as easily. I see
Herbert hurting others being a more likely scenario. The guy's a tank. He's not at all brittle and doesn't back down from a collision.
Part of getting hurt is a lack of commitment. If there's doubt. and the collision is unavoidable, that flinch can get you hurt. There's
not a lot of that with # 10.
You said it already! Why won't you go ahead and admit it? Talk about circumlocution!
he did get hurt at oregon he broke his collar bone so he knows what getting hit can do to him.
He also broke his leg in high school, limited his college options.
End of the day Herbert is a quarterback. And a big, tall target. I really hope he seriously gets into strength training and adds some more protective muscle.
@@randallturner9094 he’s 6’6 240.
He was 229lbs last year.
He’s gained 10 pounds of muscle.
His strength and conditioning is there. Trust me
@@kevincruz2674 I know re: weight gain, paying close attention. (“I lift.. does it not look like it?” lmao) dude, I was a run stopping linebacker in college, same weight, half a yard shorter. I’d break him with a clean shot. NFL defenders are another level up. And yeah, I watched him run thru the Chiefs’ LB in the EZ last year… Don’t DO THAT! It’s simple physics. Basketball players are vulnerable. Tall isn’t good.
@@randallturner9094 Okay, you're that linebacker in a collision with Burrough or Herbert. Who'd you rather it be? Burrough or Herbert without the flinch?
I've got a broken collar bone still. Collision with a wall in center field. It's non-union, still f'd up. I was back out there in six weeks and can still throw.
Herbert No Brainer
Herbert, check the QBR list and check all the franchise records hes breaking. Any way you look at it whether it be durability, poise, pocket presence, arm strength, mobility. Herbert outperforms burrow in all those aspects. Stop this debate it's silly tbh
Herbert is the definition of poise under pressure, (he has the best rating in the league to prove it, along with yrds and touchdowns), the most clutch player (leads the NFL in 4th quarter rating, 4th down conversion EPA, 4th quarter comebacks, the most game-winning last drives). There's not much he hasn't done at this point that lessens his legend status. He is ice water in his veins cold, an assassin with the ball.
Amazing how many times they use the injury excuse for burrow! Herbert is flat out better!
Herbert is a beast! ⚡ Bolt Up ⚡
you would think people would let the "leadership" discourse around Herbert go since that was the only con/worry that GMs and analysts had in his scouting report going into the draft and then he proved to be the best QB from that draft. how is that even still the reason burrow vs herbert is being discussed?? clearly that "it" factor doesnt matter much lmao.
These questions that are posed about who’s better Herbert or Burrow, or anything akin to this are so fucking stupid and utterly ridiculous. It’s like saying, who is better? Eddie Van Halen or Stevie Ray Vaughan? John Coltrane versus Charlie Parker. Instead of ranking these great talents that we are blessed to enjoy, appreciate the fact that we get to see both of them playing at the same time. Thank you Mr. Burrow. Thank you Mr. Herbert. Keep up the great work.
if you were putting a band together... EVH or SRV?
@@jessicab9265 Blues or Rock? If jazz, I’m thinking Pat Metheney.
We keep watching these stupid ridiculous Herbert Burrow vids don't we? Must be a fun debate.
@@lbo-private2748 Not really, because as soon as one of them has a bad game (God forbid), then the debate begins with, “See, I knew X was better than Y.”
I dont need to say anything. The comment section said it for me. 💙💛💙💛😌
I have ALL WAYS got YOURS & Jollys back , bro ! Looks Like HOMER GIRL OR one of his little sister is on here today ?
I take Herbert, but I also really like Burrow. Is that an option?
Yeah. /
Gimme J Herbo
Burrow is amazing too tho
What expections has Burrow surpassed?? The dude was the #1 pick overall vs the #6 overall pick, 3rd QB taken. Burrow is suppose to be looked at as a good QB, has he met those expectations? Not yet. Herbert was not suppose to be this good but has he surpassed all expectations? Ummm easy question yes. Hands down this is a stupid debate. They act like Herbert was a top 5 pick smh
This is no longer a debate lol. Burrow is great, Herbert is more.
Burrow outplayed Herbert by a lot on the Bengals Chargers game. After watching that, I’d take Burrow over Herbert for sure.
Shocker that CP#9 went against the Bengals
This guy really had to sit there and think about it..? The only people taking Burrow over Herbert are Bengals fans.
Burrow waits a little too long to throw the ball.
burrow also is very turnover prone.
Give burrow a line and coach to maximize his talent
@@markquitcravens8494 Herbert didn’t need a line last year ( ranked 32)
Justin
Burrow is special but please do not say "hes playing with far less talent"..Keenan ran a 4.7 3rd rd,mike williams was a bust til Herbert and yes ran a 4.6,and Eckler was undrafted.tee hiigins,Jamar chase,Boyd, Joe Mixon all young elite players.do these guys even watch the friggin games?
Vocal doesn't mean leadership
People gotta stop acting like this is a question 🤦🏼♂️ the correct answer is Herbert and it’s not close… stop the cap 🧢
Justin Herbert is the goat
No doubt in my mind Herbert is the man, than Burrows, and Cincinnati has just as much talent as the chargers ⚡ lol
i know. herbert is just better.
This isn't even a debate anymore stop it lmao
Burrow was a really good QB. In college. At LSU
I've been wondering this same thing all year. It's a very tough answer. They seem to have the same amount of talent with some different traits.
Justin is unflappable
Justin Herbert was the 3rd we taken out the draft he was under appreciated and for him to be breaking records and proved everyone wrong about him and now you guys are comparing him with the number 1 overall pick it has to be HERBERT
Justin Herbert is more physically gifted and excellent. I think Joe burrow it’s a more dynamic leader and competitor. As cliché as this sounds, you really can’t go wrong with either one if they’re in the right situation and system that can best utilize there skill set. It’s almost like comparing Joe Montana to Brett Favre. They both bring a different dynamic to the position but each dynamic is effective. The safe pick is Justin Herbert because you know what you’re going to get out of him. Something tells me if everything is on the line, that Joe Burrow is the guy you want in your fox hole. I’m going with Burrow by the most narrowest of margins.
I don’t think this is even a question now. Easily Justin Herbert over Burrow. He just does everything better and is more clutch than Burrow, Burrow is good but he’s definitely not on the same level as Herbert. Herbert is already a top 5 QB in the league as of now to Burrow he’s maybe a top 10 QB in the league
Pff
Burrow (90) second in the league only to Tom Brady
Hebert (86) Not even on Cousins level this year.
People get fooled by one big heave a game but Herbert dink and dunks a lot…also he’s kinda a one read qb.
Herbert doesn’t play well against exotic defenses whereas burrow’s best games this season is against teams that deploy advanced coverages
You are smoking dope
@@jayr399 So, they GET FOOLED ! Guess that is WHY HE is setting records & will set 2 MORE this week VRS the Chiefs ! Another RECORD that NO other QB has [EVER ] done in 101 years of the NFL ! I'm thinking your the ONE Fooled ! Must be a Dolphins OR Bengals fan ? PS , yes the dinks & dunks Fall way MORE on Swing Pass Joe , our OC , then it does ON our QB , bud ! Just ask some Loins fans about [MATT ] , who Joe coached him for years !
@@jayr399 yeah I can’t take you serious at all if you’re one of those who believe what PFF grade is, see I would take them serious if AT LEAST one of those guys was former NFL players, PFF is a joke. How come Burrow couldn’t execute against the chargers then? We are far from a top tier defense and he threw 2 INTs and got out dueled by Herbert on his own turf, Herbert wasn’t dink and dunk that game. You’re probably Dan Orlovsky little brother 😂
@@robertd.7060 don’t school him on facts bro, you’re talking to Dan Orlovsky little brother lol
Hebert but Joe is 1b
Regarding Herbert's durability, Herbert vs Damien Wilson. Herbert wasn't even trying and he KOed Wilson. ruclips.net/video/ES4QSXapYEg/видео.html
Say what you want Burrow threw for 3TDs 300+ yards (same as herbert) with a dislocated pinky dudes got crazy talented.
Burrow is a B+ to A- tier QB
Herbert is an A+ to S tier QB hes already up there with the elite QBs like Mahomes and Jackson
Lol wtf?
You do know burrow is now the second highest graded qb by pff only bested by Tom Brady right? Mahomes can’t fcuking read a defense
🤣🤣🤣🤣 what....
Herbert with all the big arm is a check down master. He has one big heave a game…and people go nuts. Haven’t seen Herbert play well against a defense that rotates safeties and linebackers around. He lost all those games and put up baker mayfield type of atrocity.
Whereas burrow’s best games this season was against those type of defenses
I guarantee you. 200% if Herbert played against the niners. He’d throw below 60% 1 touch down 1 pick like he always does
@@jayr399 PFF is low key a joke…and why are you on here on every comment bringing it up like PFF is the NFL bible. PFF isn’t objective it’s subjective just a bunch of nerdy guys making their OWN decisions on who should be graded higher because of their own personal opinion. How is a guy that leads the league in INTS ranked higher than multiple guys that are playing way better than him statistically.
@@masterchief2835
Burrow is graded higher because he takes shots downfield on tight window throws whereas Herbert plays more conservative and check downs a lot. In PFF big time throws offsets turnover worthy plays by 0.5 points
Burrow will end up like Andrew Luck. Should have taken a tackle. Good luck with your WR.
Do you watch football?
@@513ovaeverything7 yes I saw a quarterback get hit nearly every play against a charger defense who is subpar. And he missed half of last year. The concussions will come soon
@@charlesburge3074 if u watched the game u would have also heard the announcers speak on how we had two starting offensive lineman out. And Herbert was hit just as many times as burrow that game dude.
@@513ovaeverything7 borough is smaller he's already missed a half a year and his hand is hurting now. And the Chargers picked a left tackle who will be there for the next decade good luck with the wide receiver
@@charlesburge3074 you can’t even spell “Burrow” which lets me know you don’t actually watch football. You just watch highlights and go off of what you here other people say.
Dans east coast bias is showing
"HE NOT AFRAID"
Goatbert for sure. Imagine if they had a second really good running back to go with Ekeler and stud TE Cook is solid but not a Waller or Kelce
And get that OL fixed ! Still 2 big holes on the right side , even now .
It's a Joe Thing. U wouldn't understand
Ian finance I didn't know he was on the show lol
Fidance damn auto correct
Was show you the money Johnny good a leader?
Herbert Stans going crazy in the comments
The Herbert fans are highly annoying too
Just goes to show y’all don’t know . PAY ATTENTION.
Hey Dan Orlovsky, check this tape. Lol.
Nobody cares what Carson thinks , he is a sister
Herbert is every bit as good a leader as a Burrow or Farve or anyone else.
nope
What a farce Dan. You are obviously biased for some reason. All your excuses why Justin’s numbers are better…so lame.
Tua I’m apart of Tua non
Burrow does greater stuff with a lesser team; he needs to focus on less bodily risk to himself.
greater stuff with a lesser team? what? i get the lesser team but greater stuff? that is so subjective. i can tell you herbert does some GREAT stuff. you see one 65 yard throw but miss out on so many other great cannon throws through out his games, on 3rd downs, in critical moments of the game. multiple times holding 5 to 6 minute drives to finish out the game (3 times this year). I can keep going on. what greater stuff are you talking about?
@@drewbiegolf im trying to figure what greater stuff they’re talking about too… i know it isnt stats cause herbert leads burrow in almost every per game category outside of completion percentage
The Chargers OL and Def are not elite imho
Burrow is playing on a team thats clearly not as talented as the Chargers. Joe is the one I'd want starting a new franchise, which was the question: so it's all a convo of intangibles since there is no team-basis for that decision. Right parts build around Burrow would turn out better for Joe's team than same parts made for Herberts fictional franchise.
@@coleworld2429 Which is easy if you are uninjured, to lead in those stats. Now, Skip, I mean- Greg:
you can't use those stats to build a franchise around- it's all subjective intangibles since there's no precedent.
“Intangibles” that's such lazy take
Not Tua
Justin Herbert no but... Stop 🛑 it man
U fool stop the cap only Og Burrow
What’s with all the Herbert fanboys? Just wait a few years Joe is wayyyyy better.
Well, you wait a few more years , Justin will have 20, 000 yards & 200 TDS ! And about another 20 records ....LOL
Burrow….and that’s my opinion, please don’t argue with me.