Two points of frustration I understand. Unless you are in the fandom you wouldn’t have a clear understanding of what “climax to the first arc” means. Second is underwhelming Sanderlanche. There were eye openers and amazing moments but this doesn’t beat the ones in the past 4 books. Kaladins 3rd and 4th ideal reveals where so epic.
Until Sanderson hires another editor who isn't afraid to call him out on his bloated prose, I have no interest in reading anymore. The difference between his latest work and his earlier work is astounding.
Agreed - it’s astounding to me how the beta readers on Reactor were gaslighting and deleting all negative posts about the Day 1 and Day 2 chapters. The writing was so cringe it was painful. His attempts to broadcast loud and clear Kaladin and Syl as a couple were so disguising and awkward. The overuse and reliance on Nightblood was just laughable…
Yeah I'm starting to get worried about this now. The end to mist born era 2 was a concern to me. I'm still waiting to read this since it's a Christmas present however I did read the preview chapters and there were some parts that had me concerned with the dialogue.
I'll also say that the Sanderson community has seemed to not been very friendly to anyone pushing back on things concerning dei or controversy etc. One time I said it would be cool to have him be on Joe Rogan and a lot of the community in Reddit got offended saying things that weren't true about Joe and before I was able to respond later that day, they froze the thread. So basically only one viewpoint got across but nothing else could be said.
One correction: a normal audiobook is not 10 hours long; that would be a very short book. " Normal" books are around 18 to 24 hours long. Around 30 hours are considered long, and anything above 40 hours is huge. Wind and Truth is around three times longer than a normal book. Which is a lot and clearly unneeded in this case. I was also very disappointed with this book, is Sanderson worst book in a long time.
I have very similar feelings as you, though it seems like I felt much more satisfied with the ending. Maybe that's partially because I wasn't expecting a full conclusion. For me, it feels like a great story ending at the end of a season of TV rather than a series finale. I loved all the plot points at the end, and I'm excited about what the next five books explore. But I do agree about the length, pacing, and some of the writing. It's the weakest in the series in many of these ways, and I had to slog through some of the middle parts. It seems like there are many chapters that could have been trimmed or merged for the sake of brevity. The prose, humor, and modern language/diction also disappointed me at times. With those issues aside, the writing still does a good enough job for me. The simple prose serves as an accessible vehicle for the plot and characters. The plot and characters are what I adore about this series, so I greatly enjoyed those fundamental aspects. Some better writing and pacing could have elevated this book to greatness, but I still enjoyed it as is.
I definitely had my standards set too high going in. It wasn’t a bad book or journey, but it was a little disappointing. It’s a 7/10 for me sadly because I thought it was gonna be a 10/10 but 🤷🏼♂️
@@zacharyjorn4981 Plenty of us just don't think it was a very good book. I don't think there's going to be a community backlash for the criticisms of this one aside from the usual back and forth.
I also enjoyed the book, but was a bit disappointed with parts of it. I went into it also expecting Mistborn era 1 epic and beautiful ending but still a downer ending. I felt like the overall ending was too messy here and more bleak than it needed to be. Then I remember Sanderson's release schedule as of now and we're not going to see what happens next for several years. So this is it for a while.
The DEI stuff in the book was immersion breaking for me. I thought that because Sanderson is a Mormon, I would never have to read crap like Renarin/Rlain or Rushu’s interaction with the Sibling in his books. I wonder if the publisher forced that on him or if he just decided to include it after writing 20+ books with little to none of it
What you consider 'DEI' is just representation of the real world. Gay people and nonbinary people exist, and fantasy books are supposed to be a fantastical representation of things we face in real life. I want to be clear here: You're not upset about the blossoming romance between a human and a spren, nor are you upset about the fact that it's two different human-like species together since there is also a straight scene equivalent, just upset that it's a representation of actual people that exist in the real world? If you think he's gone 20+ books without it, you just haven't been paying attention. Shallan fawns over Jasnah in WoK, they discuss Drehy being gay as early as Oathbringer and Ranette is clearly gay from Shadows of Self onward in Mistborn Era 2, the Reshi king used radiant healing to transition from female to male. Sanderson is all about representation of every kind including mental health and physical disabilities as well, but when he chooses to represent other groups' lived experiences you get mad? Just admit you're afraid of seeing LGBT people because you fear what it'll unlock inside of you and move on. FYI he's already said he will eventually have a trans main character down the road. Please don't come back to Sanderson until you grow past this, we don't want people like you in the fandom.
@@alecandro1958 behold, the bigotry of inclusion at hand. You do understand there's a vast gap between being tired of astroturfed inclusivity and denying the "existence" of the people purported to be included, yes?
Same my issue wasn't that it was there, it was that it was out of place and poorly done. Served no purpose in story and felt added on after the fact for no reason
Agree with your review. I liked it but didn’t love the book. Definitely felt like it needed a better edit and was too long for what it ended up covering. The end didn’t feel like worthy of ending the complete five book arc.
Also worth mentioning: the writing is extremely bad. It’s very!!! repetitive that goes into the dialogues forming info dumps well within the non-realistic discussion scenarios: A ask question B answers instead of a “yes” as should but repeats the full discussion they had in the past “yes, they are the ….. “ for 5-6 lines. That’s an info dump handling the reader like children who can’t remember basic info plus adds a lot of pages to the book. And words like “laser sharp”… why do you talk like that? You know what a laser is? 👀 Not just in descriptive terms but in dialogues. So it’s one thing to use easy English to be accessible but simply bad? It’s not good. I’m not a native English speaker yet… I just finished before this (reread) Gardens of the Moon and the difference is hitting hard. That’s true for Way of Edan or Tad Williams’ Memory, Thorne and Sorrow books. All are well written and not a challenge to read for me prosewise. It’s not Lord of the Rings or Wars of Light and Shadow by Janny Wurts where the prose vocabulary is over the top. It was annoying. As for being boring? It should decide: it’s about war or heroes. Because at the moment it’s an Avengers movie type book and that has nothing to do with war. So if he wants to talk about the war? It’s not through super heroes. Not the general fights. The common soldier does. This martyr role won’t do it. Still Avengers.
The writing style is a Sanderson staple. He does explain in his videos and podcasts on writing the philosophy of why he writes in those modern words: he treats the whole work as a modern day translation. I'm not bothered by it, but understand that many people are. Hopefully, the next book will be better.
@ I read his books from the release of Elantris. So I am well aware of his philosophy about writing style. But having this in mind it’s still way below of the level of quality. It’s simply repetitive and that’s not about using an extended vocabulary or not. Also how you present information to the reader, what we call info dumps. That’s not necessary and he is not doing it everywhere. So he is very capable of doing without (as example) making dialogues ridiculous and non-realistic. Good example for this is Way of Kings opening scene. Yes-yes, very famous that he wore white to kill a king. ☝️now that fighting tells what I’m talking about. Until a point it’s perfect. Then it steps out of the POV and tells everything about how that magic works. Why? It’s first of not necessary because it’s the very beginning of a 1200 pages book second we won’t see that magic again for 800 pages. So he could leave it there unexplained until Kaladin starts to discover it and we discover it with him. ☝️That’s not info dump. The character actually thinks about it. Kaladin. It’s not unnecessary explanation of something we don’t need OR we already know. ☝️
I wish 2010 Brandon wrote this book
I feel like book 5 has just embraced the idea that therapy is more important than honor.
Don't tell me that, that's so sad :'(
@ definitely the feel of the narrative, though.
It embraced the idea that therapy is more important than storytelling or a narrative immersion
It embraced the idea that therapy is more important than storytelling or immersion
@@nunyabizz3357 Yes, this is the better version of what I mean to say. lol
Two points of frustration I understand. Unless you are in the fandom you wouldn’t have a clear understanding of what “climax to the first arc” means. Second is underwhelming Sanderlanche. There were eye openers and amazing moments but this doesn’t beat the ones in the past 4 books. Kaladins 3rd and 4th ideal reveals where so epic.
You've got a great point here about the marketing being misleading. It certainly doesn't feel like an end to the series
I totally agree about the flashbacks being too long, boring
I miss the old Brandon, the always gold Brandon
This has matched my experience almost exactly! Thank you for the review
Thank you for the comment! 😁
@ my pleasure! I’m new to your channel. But based on this and your cradle video. Seems we like some of the same series!
My disappointment is that I have to wait until 2033 for the next book. I’ll be 57!! My heart is broken.
Could be worse...you could be 56 and just finishing this first "half."
Until Sanderson hires another editor who isn't afraid to call him out on his bloated prose, I have no interest in reading anymore.
The difference between his latest work and his earlier work is astounding.
I was hoping he wouldn't fall into this "too big to be edited" trap, but alas... I still hold up hope for the next books!
I was thinking this too!
Agreed - it’s astounding to me how the beta readers on Reactor were gaslighting and deleting all negative posts about the Day 1 and Day 2 chapters.
The writing was so cringe it was painful. His attempts to broadcast loud and clear Kaladin and Syl as a couple were so disguising and awkward. The overuse and reliance on Nightblood was just laughable…
Yeah I'm starting to get worried about this now. The end to mist born era 2 was a concern to me. I'm still waiting to read this since it's a Christmas present however I did read the preview chapters and there were some parts that had me concerned with the dialogue.
I'll also say that the Sanderson community has seemed to not been very friendly to anyone pushing back on things concerning dei or controversy etc. One time I said it would be cool to have him be on Joe Rogan and a lot of the community in Reddit got offended saying things that weren't true about Joe and before I was able to respond later that day, they froze the thread. So basically only one viewpoint got across but nothing else could be said.
One correction: a normal audiobook is not 10 hours long; that would be a very short book. " Normal" books are around 18 to 24 hours long. Around 30 hours are considered long, and anything above 40 hours is huge. Wind and Truth is around three times longer than a normal book. Which is a lot and clearly unneeded in this case. I was also very disappointed with this book, is Sanderson worst book in a long time.
I agree so much about the interludes! I loved that they were so short
According to the kobo site, Wind and Truth takes 43 - 47 Hours to read and has 528k Total words.
I have very similar feelings as you, though it seems like I felt much more satisfied with the ending. Maybe that's partially because I wasn't expecting a full conclusion. For me, it feels like a great story ending at the end of a season of TV rather than a series finale. I loved all the plot points at the end, and I'm excited about what the next five books explore.
But I do agree about the length, pacing, and some of the writing. It's the weakest in the series in many of these ways, and I had to slog through some of the middle parts. It seems like there are many chapters that could have been trimmed or merged for the sake of brevity. The prose, humor, and modern language/diction also disappointed me at times.
With those issues aside, the writing still does a good enough job for me. The simple prose serves as an accessible vehicle for the plot and characters. The plot and characters are what I adore about this series, so I greatly enjoyed those fundamental aspects. Some better writing and pacing could have elevated this book to greatness, but I still enjoyed it as is.
I felt like i was being hit on the head with the dsm5
The characters dialogue sounded like coorperate self help cat posters 💀
@@krisdavies7538 the SIXTH radiant ideal is CBT!
I definitely had my standards set too high going in. It wasn’t a bad book or journey, but it was a little disappointing. It’s a 7/10 for me sadly because I thought it was gonna be a 10/10 but 🤷🏼♂️
Great review! Hopefully, Sanderson fans don't downvote your video too bad
Thank you!
They shouldn’t if they aren’t chulls. Daniel Greene had some harsh criticism so they are fine with that they should be fine with this critic as well.
@@zacharyjorn4981 Plenty of us just don't think it was a very good book. I don't think there's going to be a community backlash for the criticisms of this one aside from the usual back and forth.
I also enjoyed the book, but was a bit disappointed with parts of it. I went into it also expecting Mistborn era 1 epic and beautiful ending but still a downer ending. I felt like the overall ending was too messy here and more bleak than it needed to be. Then I remember Sanderson's release schedule as of now and we're not going to see what happens next for several years. So this is it for a while.
Yes, not getting to see how the story unfolds (and if some of the set-ups lead anywhere) for another 8 years is regrettable.
The DEI stuff in the book was immersion breaking for me. I thought that because Sanderson is a Mormon, I would never have to read crap like Renarin/Rlain or Rushu’s interaction with the Sibling in his books. I wonder if the publisher forced that on him or if he just decided to include it after writing 20+ books with little to none of it
What you consider 'DEI' is just representation of the real world. Gay people and nonbinary people exist, and fantasy books are supposed to be a fantastical representation of things we face in real life. I want to be clear here: You're not upset about the blossoming romance between a human and a spren, nor are you upset about the fact that it's two different human-like species together since there is also a straight scene equivalent, just upset that it's a representation of actual people that exist in the real world? If you think he's gone 20+ books without it, you just haven't been paying attention. Shallan fawns over Jasnah in WoK, they discuss Drehy being gay as early as Oathbringer and Ranette is clearly gay from Shadows of Self onward in Mistborn Era 2, the Reshi king used radiant healing to transition from female to male. Sanderson is all about representation of every kind including mental health and physical disabilities as well, but when he chooses to represent other groups' lived experiences you get mad?
Just admit you're afraid of seeing LGBT people because you fear what it'll unlock inside of you and move on. FYI he's already said he will eventually have a trans main character down the road. Please don't come back to Sanderson until you grow past this, we don't want people like you in the fandom.
Agree, immersion breaking. It's gotten more and more overt.
@@alecandro1958 behold, the bigotry of inclusion at hand.
You do understand there's a vast gap between being tired of astroturfed inclusivity and denying the "existence" of the people purported to be included, yes?
Same my issue wasn't that it was there, it was that it was out of place and poorly done. Served no purpose in story and felt added on after the fact for no reason
Unfortunately I think he has been “captured” by the people he interacts with. Expect more and more with every book.
Agree with your review. I liked it but didn’t love the book. Definitely felt like it needed a better edit and was too long for what it ended up covering. The end didn’t feel like worthy of ending the complete five book arc.
This book undoes everything Oathbringer accomplished...am back to reading bastion.
Also worth mentioning: the writing is extremely bad. It’s very!!! repetitive that goes into the dialogues forming info dumps well within the non-realistic discussion scenarios: A ask question B answers instead of a “yes” as should but repeats the full discussion they had in the past “yes, they are the ….. “ for 5-6 lines. That’s an info dump handling the reader like children who can’t remember basic info plus adds a lot of pages to the book. And words like “laser sharp”… why do you talk like that? You know what a laser is? 👀 Not just in descriptive terms but in dialogues. So it’s one thing to use easy English to be accessible but simply bad? It’s not good. I’m not a native English speaker yet… I just finished before this (reread) Gardens of the Moon and the difference is hitting hard. That’s true for Way of Edan or Tad Williams’ Memory, Thorne and Sorrow books. All are well written and not a challenge to read for me prosewise. It’s not Lord of the Rings or Wars of Light and Shadow by Janny Wurts where the prose vocabulary is over the top. It was annoying.
As for being boring? It should decide: it’s about war or heroes. Because at the moment it’s an Avengers movie type book and that has nothing to do with war. So if he wants to talk about the war? It’s not through super heroes. Not the general fights. The common soldier does. This martyr role won’t do it. Still Avengers.
The writing style is a Sanderson staple. He does explain in his videos and podcasts on writing the philosophy of why he writes in those modern words: he treats the whole work as a modern day translation. I'm not bothered by it, but understand that many people are.
Hopefully, the next book will be better.
@ I read his books from the release of Elantris. So I am well aware of his philosophy about writing style. But having this in mind it’s still way below of the level of quality. It’s simply repetitive and that’s not about using an extended vocabulary or not. Also how you present information to the reader, what we call info dumps. That’s not necessary and he is not doing it everywhere. So he is very capable of doing without (as example) making dialogues ridiculous and non-realistic. Good example for this is Way of Kings opening scene. Yes-yes, very famous that he wore white to kill a king. ☝️now that fighting tells what I’m talking about. Until a point it’s perfect. Then it steps out of the POV and tells everything about how that magic works. Why? It’s first of not necessary because it’s the very beginning of a 1200 pages book second we won’t see that magic again for 800 pages. So he could leave it there unexplained until Kaladin starts to discover it and we discover it with him. ☝️That’s not info dump. The character actually thinks about it. Kaladin. It’s not unnecessary explanation of something we don’t need OR we already know. ☝️