Oddware: Packintell anti-gravity trackball & Tandy 1000RLX
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- A Packintell trackball from 1989 that has nothing to do with Packard Bell or Intel, and a Tandy 1000 that is an XT-class 286, unlike IBM's XT-286, which despite its name is actually an AT-class machine. Are you confused yet?
packintell made a lot of stuff, like printers toners keyboard mouse, among other things.
i could not find a link to a company site, only various listings of different products from packintell for sale.
only clue i could find is this quote on a wiki page,
Packintell keyboard refers to a keyboard manufactured or commissioned by KME, on behalf of S.B.I. Computer Products Inc., branded as Packintell Electronics, USA.
deskthority.net/wiki/Packintell_keyboard
Packaged Intelligence, aka Packintell, was licensed to clone some Packard Bell designs. The company later became APC, and the rest is history
That APC as in American Power Corruption? They sure kept that level of reliability till today.
Flauschlab yes, that one
@@RandomRetr0 Just replaced a 5kVA APC that smoked up a server room and caused a major outage last week... I really prefer any other UPS brand over APC. Probably cause more outages than they prevent.
Can we all just take a second to admire and gawk at that Hello Kitty boom box screen right. Seriously though!
I'm surprised he hasn't made a video on it-or maybe he did and I just missed it.
Packintell sounds like a name to sound so vaguely familiar to a known brand at the time as to fool people into buying it. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode, where they go to buy a new tv and see "Sorny" and "Panaphonics" sets
Beat me to it... “magnet box”
Sorny is a perfectly cromulent brand.
I lived in Australia for a while, and at the time, they had a TV brand called "Palsonic". Always thought that was kind of funny.
@@44CT232 Palsonic is/was an interesting case as they've been around since the late 50's, therefore pre-dating the use of the Panasonic name in Australia (Panasonic used the name National in Australia through to the mid 1980's).
Fony instead of Sony.
"Unparalelled precision... well, it IS serial"... You saw a chance and took it, props to you!
09:12 "Cent-ray" button
Limeys be like " You Yanks spell things weird and delete unnecessary silent vowels for no reason". 😜
@@abzhuofficial You just said the reason. We delete them because they are unnecessary. Don't you know we're lazy?
Side note, center and centre both have the same type and number of letters.
@@eDoc2020 ^ To be fair to certain folks, at least the US English makes more sense to the non-English speakers out there, as Jim Leonard indirectly points out.
@@abzhuofficial The various historical reasons why this is so (original Latin va French influence, Webster etc) have been documented ad nauseum elsewhere so no real point in doing the same here. It just is what it is ;)
@@belperite Of course
"Fanless 25w power supply"
Crazy. These days, a typical desktop's RGB lighting _alone_ would blow through that limit in no time.
@@Riskteven I'm pretty sure OP was thinking of a different RGB
I remember hearing about an RGB SSD that would overheat if you used the RGB. They put hundreds of LEDs into a thing that people never needed RGB in. I bet it used that much power just to light up.
Not only is it unnecessary, if you didn't have the RGB software installed, the lights would stay on and overheat the SSD until read/write speeds slowed to a crawl.
I never knew it was possible to overheat an SSD, let alone a product released to the public would design a feature that would kill the drive if you ever used it.
Even the model number sounds like IBM PC 😂
Oh yes, a Septandy from VWestlife as well
Hello Kitty "boombox" video needed. also 486 likes
pack 'n' tell is when a stockman gets schooled
Ah yes, Hewlett-Packard-Bell-Intel, that ever famous collaboration from back in the day... :P
Ugh, the skewed plaque bothered me instantly and qas a giveaway of the quality of the product. Also, you can test it on your NCR 286, sometimes serial ports have compatibility issues. Happened once when trying to use a QNX PBX in an IBM PS/1. Serial port gave lots of problems.
I had a software back in the days that has “mouse port” in the options, it was referring to Microsoft InPort “bus mouse”. You know what it is, you made a video about it in 2018. ;)
Love the video by the way.
Maybe, but by 1989 I'd think the PS/2 compatible mouse port was the more common meaning. I still have my 1997 Microsoft "Mouse port compatible mouse"
Is that a Seagate ST-351A/X that I can hear in that 1000RLX? That faint hum sounds veeery similar.
Yes, that's it. A fantastic little drive -- the last stepper motor hard drive ever made, and it can be jumpered to work with either the 8-bit IDE-XT or standard IDE-AT controllers.
That was impressive!
@@martinda7446 hehe yup there's some old HDDs that I know so well that I could practically identify them by noise, such as the Seagate ST-351A/X, the ST-4096, ST-251 and the IBM Ultrastar 9ES to name a few :)
@@Alexis_du_60 That is amazing...but weird. Some of them do make magnificent noises though. I like the sound of the big floppy drives.
You don't happen to be a floppy/hard drive/printer musician by any chance?
@@martinda7446 not at all unfortunately, hell if I knew how to rig up multiple FDDs to make some music, I would have already done so.
You seem to be a very intelligent person. I am impressed with your ability to retain and recite information. Nice burn at the end, also.
I demand a Hello Kitty boom-box review VWestlife style!!!!! Thank you Mr. Kevin. Best regards from Chile.
Before opening the video I thought this was a Packard Bell product.
nice review VWestlife! interesting what was going on the late 80s... :) Thanks for sharing this really Odd mouse
Yes, by just the way the packaging looks, it sure looks like a Logitech product.
Kinda weird that it had the same failure as that keyboard trackball (which I still have). I'd like to think its a driver issue, but I don't recall the trackball on that machine sending anything over the serial port at all when you moved the ball. I would try sniffing the serial output of this and see if its sending any motion commands. The MS mouse protocol runs at 1200baud. Something like Windows Terminal should work fine.
I love these kind of videos thanks you Kevin.
I love how this channel is just lo-fi Techmoan
In a lot of ways they're the same. They're relaxed, they do what they want with only minimal regard for what anyone else says, and they can be rather blunt. Westlife here seems a bit more knowledgeable overall on tech, while Techmoan is a bit more of just a straight consumer, interested in practicality and personal taste more than anything.
Love 'em both, and it's impressive to see such simple guys get such strong RUclips success.
1:30 I'm here for the retro tech _and_ the puns 🤣
That's an almost legit looking box, NGL.
@John Huffington not gonna lie.
Love the background music 🎶
As a Brit the spelling spelling of centre looked fine. I didn't get the joke.... Then I realised you spell it wro.... Er I mean differently over there 😂
You Brits must've gotten a good deal on 'u's back in the day as you put them in words like colour and odour...
@@chezsnailez heh yep! Maybe we like using more ink.
Packintell Trackball Half-Life Gravity Gun
🤝
Rendering gravity trivial
Yep. Looks like a Logitech Scanman box.
I'm going to be optimistic and wait for the follow up video that shows this thing actually working.
6:42 I see something pink back there waiting for VWestlife to make a video about it. Till then, it's gonna do the "make a video about me" stare...
and suddenly, some digital8 goodness goes into action :)
Got Samsung hi8 camcorder recently, and it's too capable of a decent lowlight shooting
(a really sudden and not planned acquisition. Yet, it inspires me to explore an old video tech)
The "Track Ball" wording on that box looks really tacky.
A friend of mine back in the 1990's used a trackball, though the casing was smaller than this and shaped more like a mouse. I think the trackball was smaller too. He preferred that to the mouse, but I could never get used to using it.
Tandy Radio Shack sold a cute trackball back in the day. Try's code 25-2003. It came complete with drivers and was ps2 with a supplied 9 pin serial converter. I get mine out every now and again. Innocent joys of PCs ownership in the nineties.
Jason "JJ" Cruz would insist that you replace all capacitors both inside and outside of that unit.
Maybe the phototransistors are bad? Try using a scope and see if they react.
do you still use a trackball as your main mouse on desktop? which is your favorite?
I hope you don't mind that I pipe in: yes, I use trackballs almost exclusively, have done so since around 1993~94. It all started soon after I got my Amiga 1200, and quickly developed "mouse elbow" (AKA Repetitive Strain Injury or RSI in my elbow) so I found a trackball that was compatible with the Amiga. It brought be so much relief in my elbow that I decided to stick to that type of controller. In 1998 I got my first PC for christmas, and immediately bought a Logitech trackball for the PC. I reckon that I've worn out 6 PC trackballs since then. I have only used Logitech trackballs since my first PC one. In total I have used 4 different models. Oh by the way, I mentioned that I had worn out a number of TBs, by which I mean that after extended use the button switches start malfunctioning and eventually stop functioning entirely, at which point it's time to replace the device.
i do i have issues with hand eye finite movements and RSI so i use them exclusively mine right now is the logitech one you use with your thumb but i also have a kensington expert they also seem better for gaming IMO
A time before "Plug and Pray"
Good morning. Troubleshooting: Trying the trackball on another system to verify that the ball doesn't work. When you started to crack open the case if its fighting back don't force it like you did. Just a tip for something else that might matter in the future, take care.
-b
I see your Hello Kitty boom box lol
When it made gravity trivial there was no way for the ball to press the rollers enough to make them move. That's the real reason it didn't work.
What a sexy computer.
I hope you'll make an update on this fiddling around with it to get it working. But it doesn't seem to be a very ergonomical design so what was the point? 😅
LOL @ "it is unparalleled"
some random 20 year old girl right now is wondering "what ever happened to my hello kitty boom box I had when I was 5".
I have serial mouse that does not like the cute mouse driver, for what ever reason it would detect it in both the MS and PC modes but never work right. I ended up using the one of the MS mouse drivers and I believe the driver for a logitech mouse worked as well. I can not remember what version I used.
now we know how ufo’s work, trackball no gravity
I've used something called a Microsoft InPort, which often had a Logitech mouse attached. I assume there were other mouse interface cards similar to that back in the day as well.
You can open such thing without damaging the case by using a credit-card or other plastic card.
The Packintell Streamlined Trackball. Comes with a free trial copy of Micrapplle Relux PC BrushPaint.
Ohh, but I like that spudger tool you were using to pry that case!
1:30 hahahah LoL good one! :D
"The PS/2 Mouse port does not work in Windows 3.1" is that something weird with just that computer, because I have Win3.1 installed on a 95-era computer with a PS/2 mouse and it works just fine (using the Logitech drivers IIRC).
That’s about as 1989 as it gets.
0:17 you missed Dell lol
Never been this early! Hi VWestlife!
clicked this video instant but then i was thinking whats going on with lgr's voice lol just saw a weird mouse ball thingy somehow instantly thought it was lgr lol as apoligy i subscribed :)
actually windows 3.1 does work with the tandy 1000 ps/2 mouse port with a modified driver , you use the logitech mouse driver that you hex edit yourself.
I'm personally acquainted with the originator of that hack! Great guy!
I'd be curious to see how well the Tandy 1000 RLX would run Wolfenstein 3D, I know Wolfenstein 3D does not support the Tandy sound system. Regarding the mouse, it seems pretty standard to me really.
"Senn Tray"?
9:11
Good thing they used partial plastic clips, they saved one maybe two screws. :\
Very good
That sucks it about how it was almost functional. Almost like a gateway2000 286sx I got for free . at first was fine then I get keyboard error. Keyboard fine its either connections on board so I thought but when I did some wire to board soldering still not work so I may pull chip and memory keep 5.25 drive and 3.5 will come useful as well as led lights and switches. Thats how it goes I guess with most old stuff.
Did you get it to work properly ?
The name of the monitor company Eizo is pronounced "eɪ-i-zo", but the is no pause voiced, so it would sound more just like "eɪ-zo" to most Americans. The word means video in japanese. translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E6%98%A0%E5%83%8F&op=translate
Kept looking at the thumbnail and thinking this was an LGR oddware video.
Thankfully, LGR puts "LGR" in the title of all of his videos, so you'll never be confused.
Pshh, gravity is already trivial
More like “pack-and-tell people not to bother”
oh yea a fooking track ball. Love those. But you just pointed out the different types of mice protocols until Microsoft everything. Remember the switch on the bottom. Between Mouse system and Microsoft. Though I also remember Logitech and Microsoft mouse too.
Just in time for #SepTandy! If I have a chance to pick up a Packintell, I think I might just pass :-)
So wait, this trackball has the power to defy the laws of physics?
I'll take your entire stock!
With those, We'll soon have FTL space travel! YAY
Is this your contribution for "Septandy"?
No, I'm waiting for #Octandy.
Theirs none for Notandy
@@ethanprice8811 That'll be me. Unfortunately, I indeed have #notandy. Although I'd love to have one, but they're extremely rare in Europe.
I misread that as anti-gravy lol
According to my notifications it indeed was anti-gravy. I guess he changed the title shortly after ;)
@@kpanic23 Ok, so I didn't misread it, it was anti-gravy at one point lol
Edit: yea my notifcations say anti-gravy
For me it was the opposite: the notification (before he corrected the title) said gravy but I read it as gravity. i.imgur.com/tFBuYvZ.png
LGR? Your voice sounds different today
Not sure if you care, but it seems some of the capacitors were slowly leaking.
I didn't see any leakage.
Around 4:30, MS/PC switcher: I think set of MS Dos or Pc Dos compatible mode.
No, Mouse Systems named their mouse the PC Mouse. So that's why Mouse Systems mode was often called PC mode.
@@vwestlifeOh yes! I see! Thx!
You sure you don't need the drivers it originally came with? You might be able to find them online.
I tried both the CuteMouse driver and the original standard Microsoft mouse driver and it didn't work properly with either of them.
@@vwestlife But you also said they was a driver disk missing, could they be unusual drivers the mouse originally came with?
centré button?
EDIT: at 9:13
Yes, and I sometimes pronounce the U in "colour".
Maybe a collab with MyMateVince? See if he can fix it.
Think they meant discerning not discriminating 😂
They mean the same thing in this context.
I'm disappointed. I was expecting a trackball who's ball was magnetically suspended in midair for "antigravity" .
*whose
I see 80s on this
I think that monitor brand is pronounced eye-zoh.
No, it's pronounced E - A - Zoh.
Boasts about being "beyond the basics" and then proceeds to describe "Basic features". Ah marketing.
Try it with Windows 1.
Or try hunting for the drivers.
Yo
That must be the ugliest track ball mouse I saw in my life
Maybe just needs special driver
easy to check, just run a serial terminal software and look for any traffic when moving the ball
Back before poorly translated text on amateurishly photoshopped boxes, a time when knockoff companies had some self respect.
First! Maybe my first time ever...
Shame it does'nt work. It looks so cheap. :)