Such a great question, @@jacoblevenson7934! I wish I could think of a writer with comparable voice … I don’t know that the baton specific to Wallace has been truly passed. Don’t get me wrong, there are a wealth of really interesting voices both on the rise and established, but I’ll fully admit my ignorance to a voice that echoes Wallace’s. I’d be grateful for anyone who has thoughts on the subject, always looking to expand my reading list!
A better question may be, and only because the definition of "millenial" may exclude those of the generation, but may not fit tel ideologies and behaviors of the stereotype In the year 2021, is there an equivalent? What is Equivalent? .... if there is, and assuming again that they write down their thoughts and develop some sort of coherent presentation, are you asking is there an equivalent...... an equivalent parallel, or an equivalently advanced branch or progression?
I was unaware DFW had ECT. That is news to me. I was still under the assumption he was an intravenous drug user in a closet. This explains a lot. The very bottom level to rise is allowing the universe to have its way with you. I think that is what is being discussed here. Sometimes, not always, the best reaction to a random act is doing nothing and allowing the earth to remind the person we are small fragile beings that can drift away at anytime.
I obviously did not know him personally, but his depression seemed to be existential in nature and not physiological. He was clearly an incredibly deep thinker who seemed frustrated that despite his accomplishments he could not find lasting happiness or meaning in this world. Just my two cents.
This guy, Sean, doesn’t realize that every single aspect of our lives and our identities is just a story. Literally a story that you decided to cling to. You might think that if DFW believed this that he might not have ended his own life, but I think that is an oversimplification. It’s hard to grapple with, but the realizations that can lead to glimpses of true liberation for many are still not enough to keep some humans from taking their own life.
This guy totally missed the point the speech by David foster Wallace he's referring to is called this is water and his main point in the end is we have to 'PAY ATTENTION' not tell ourselves whatever little story we like. Total misinterpretation of what David said.
Speaking from personal experience, I am convinced that DFW suffered from Bipolar 2 disorder and was wrongly medicated for over twenty years. Antidepressants can turbocharge hypomania, which (in my opinion) is what we see in his superhuman ability to concentrate, and his voracious appetite for disparate knowledge. He simply could not shut down his obsessive overactive brain. Early addictions to cannabis, alcohol, and TV had pacifying effects on his racing thoughts - brief respites for a mind incapable of self-regulation. But addictions are not sustainable. It must have been a very lonely existence for someone with only a handful of intellectually compatible contemporaries.
For some reason, seemingly rationally people (the guy talking) want to give all the responsibility of figuring out the why something happened to the guy cut off. If the guy cut me off because he’s rushing to see someone/something (regardless of the reason) he’s selfish or unaware or stupid. He is a danger to ALL drivers. There is NO reason to ever “forgive” him. (As an aside, he raises risk of injury and death for everyone. That is not a compassionate citizen. It’s the exact opposite. So in essence, he’s exactly like a drunk driver). The ethics of driving a car are clear. (Just as an example of actions in a social context). That’s why we will get self driving cars.
Disappointing. As DFW made clear, it takes work because our default setting as adults, has become automatized- unconscious (look at young children and dogs for present-moment awareness). If we remain non-spiritual here, we could quote Jung: "Until one makes the unconscious conscious, it will rule his life and he will call it fate." He's (DFW) describing mindfulness, which, if one can watch the mind, one becomes dis-identified; the observer of thoughts, sensations, emotions. It's a long process, but many people get tastes and much more space from their automatic ways of looking and seeing the world. You don't change the way you see things, but you see the way you're seeing things, providing a choice. The ego hates this.
@@lliw4934 You, YT stranger are more than welcome; in fact it is I who wishes to thank you for bringing me back to my wiser self's words from a year ago. Best your way.
It makes sense to get angry at the SUV that cut you off. Even if the guy is rushing to the hospital to see his dying spouse, that doesn't give him the right to put people in danger. To be negligent like that. The anger is still justified.
I listen to his "this is water" speech once every few months, always helps me realign my perspective
+1
David Foster Wallace was a once in a generation type of talent and thinker, an inspiration cut far too short!
Who's the millennial equivalent of Wallace in terms of quality and/or esteem
Such a great question, @@jacoblevenson7934! I wish I could think of a writer with comparable voice … I don’t know that the baton specific to Wallace has been truly passed. Don’t get me wrong, there are a wealth of really interesting voices both on the rise and established, but I’ll fully admit my ignorance to a voice that echoes Wallace’s. I’d be grateful for anyone who has thoughts on the subject, always looking to expand my reading list!
A better question may be, and only because the definition of "millenial" may exclude those of the generation, but may not fit tel ideologies and behaviors of the stereotype
In the year 2021, is there an equivalent? What is Equivalent? .... if there is, and assuming again that they write down their thoughts and develop some sort of coherent presentation, are you asking is there an equivalent...... an equivalent parallel, or an equivalently advanced branch or progression?
His books sucked. Full of nonsense.
I was unaware DFW had ECT. That is news to me. I was still under the assumption he was an intravenous drug user in a closet. This explains a lot. The very bottom level to rise is allowing the universe to have its way with you. I think that is what is being discussed here. Sometimes, not always, the best reaction to a random act is doing nothing and allowing the earth to remind the person we are small fragile beings that can drift away at anytime.
I obviously did not know him personally, but his depression seemed to be existential in nature and not physiological. He was clearly an incredibly deep thinker who seemed frustrated that despite his accomplishments he could not find lasting happiness or meaning in this world. Just my two cents.
In interviews I have seen, I have a hunch he struggled with imposter syndrome as well
You are the one who tells the story of the action in hand, it's how you choose to tell the story with all the ingredients
To judge or not
To judge that is the question
This guy, Sean, doesn’t realize that every single aspect of our lives and our identities is just a story. Literally a story that you decided to cling to. You might think that if DFW believed this that he might not have ended his own life, but I think that is an oversimplification. It’s hard to grapple with, but the realizations that can lead to glimpses of true liberation for many are still not enough to keep some humans from taking their own life.
Very well said. We can be aware, escape the narrative, but it's omniscient, I'd say inescapable
This guy totally missed the point the speech by David foster Wallace he's referring to is called this is water and his main point in the end is we have to 'PAY ATTENTION' not tell ourselves whatever little story we like. Total misinterpretation of what David said.
Correct
Absolutely, he stresses "Awareness and Attention" of the present
"You can't pretend that it's not part of the situation" Actually you can.
physiological reason is a phantom,,it means nothing but it helps people sound important and talk in circles,,
Speaking from personal experience, I am convinced that DFW suffered from Bipolar 2 disorder and was wrongly medicated for over twenty years. Antidepressants can turbocharge hypomania, which (in my opinion) is what we see in his superhuman ability to concentrate, and his voracious appetite for disparate knowledge. He simply could not shut down his obsessive overactive brain. Early addictions to cannabis, alcohol, and TV had pacifying effects on his racing thoughts - brief respites for a mind incapable of self-regulation. But addictions are not sustainable. It must have been a very lonely existence for someone with only a handful of intellectually compatible contemporaries.
For some reason, seemingly rationally people (the guy talking) want to give all the responsibility of figuring out the why something happened to the guy cut off. If the guy cut me off because he’s rushing to see someone/something (regardless of the reason) he’s selfish or unaware or stupid. He is a danger to ALL drivers. There is NO reason to ever “forgive” him. (As an aside, he raises risk of injury and death for everyone. That is not a compassionate citizen. It’s the exact opposite. So in essence, he’s exactly like a drunk driver). The ethics of driving a car are clear. (Just as an example of actions in a social context). That’s why we will get self driving cars.
Disappointing. As DFW made clear, it takes work because our default setting as adults, has become automatized- unconscious (look at young children and dogs for present-moment awareness). If we remain non-spiritual here, we could quote Jung: "Until one makes the unconscious conscious, it will rule his life and he will call it fate."
He's (DFW) describing mindfulness, which, if one can watch the mind, one becomes dis-identified; the observer of thoughts, sensations, emotions.
It's a long process, but many people get tastes and much more space from their automatic ways of looking and seeing the world. You don't change the way you see things, but you see the way you're seeing things, providing a choice. The ego hates this.
This is the kind of comment I was looking for in this comment section. Thank you kind yt stranger.
@@lliw4934 You, YT stranger are more than welcome; in fact it is I who wishes to thank you for bringing me back to my wiser self's words from a year ago. Best your way.
It makes sense to get angry at the SUV that cut you off. Even if the guy is rushing to the hospital to see his dying spouse, that doesn't give him the right to put people in danger. To be negligent like that. The anger is still justified.
not the point
Have you ever panicked over something life-threatening to a beloved family member or a close life-long friend?
I feel like Sean misunderstood what “This is Water” was saying lol
The physiology is a primarily white man phenom in the states,, 69% in 2020
I think it has been blown out of proportion but still an real issue in some cases