Very interesting. I personally like the road mode detail, makes it easier to take a lunch break while traveling. We will have to check it out. ❤❤Thanks Josh
I appreciate your level of detail and the time you take during the walk thru. So many other RV reviewers seem to rush thru and only skim over the small details. I agree this is ALMOST the perfect couples fifth wheel. My wife and I have owned a Jayco 25.5 REOK with the Modern Farmhouse interior (aka light and bright) for the past four years and we have come to discover many features we wouldn't live without in a new fifth wheel. Besides the basics, the following features are high on our list; it MUST be under 30 feet, have an auto leveling system, have solar, have ample storage inside and out, have a tow hitch (we bring along our Polaris Ranger occasionally), have a back-up camera, have a booth dinette with storage underneath, have an outdoor kitchen and importantly...A FIREPLACE!! That is why I emphasized, this Alliance model is ALMOST a perfect couples fifth wheel as it does not have a fireplace. You have gained a new subscriber.
Thanks, Nerd! There’s a lot to love in this unit from Alliance! It seems like the pantry door/slide interference risk could easily be mitigated with a safety cutout switch installed on the pantry door; disabling the slide unless the door is completely closed. Given the generous cargo and holding tank capacities, coupled with the floor to ceiling closet in the master, this unit is begging for washer/dryer prep! Keep up the great work!
add tv lift station, add a fireplace in front of it with some sort of folding retractable table. Yes you less storage under the bench but seems like there is more than enough. Raise the window up so you can see out when standing making it feel larger. pantry door i would flip the hinge around so less likely to crush with slide. would add some sort of slide out drawer under fridge. Ditch the ceiling speakers, I think most people are using portable speakers. Remove skylight that will leak later and huge air exchange. i like drawers under the bed to make access easier. luv the dimmers and vent less. thanks for the vid. nice looking rv there Clark!
Love this one! Saw it at Hershey. Wish it had a larger fresh tank, though. And maybe a pull out sofa bed in the slide for guests. I would love to see the free-standing table version.
Thanks Nerd , nice video. It was between this one and the cougar 23 mle and we chose the cougar 23 MLE for us. And we love that to no end! This one was a good second choice. Thank you and keep up the great videos
For a short 5th wheel, I like it, and I agree with you the color palette is really nice. For such a small 5th wheel is really does have big 5th wheel features and I love the holding tank capacities, and the remote tank dump handles WOW, superb job.
Another perfect couple’s floorplan if you option out the decades old diner booth dinette for the far more flexible residential table and chairs that can be turned to face the theater seating when entertaining visitors on a cold rainy day👍👍👍
I have my heart set on a bigger 2025 Durango that I absolutely love, but if I were going to go a little smaller..you have just about sold me on this one! Really liking just about everything about it!
@ the new 2025 D281 RKD. Last year I requested the floor plan based on a Durango half ton and the 280 with east west bed and they made it! I am shocked! When you talk about manufacturers listening customers KZ proved it to me!!
@ we first saw a Durango half ton at a show and loved everything about it, but I really want an east west bed slide..so here we are. Hoping prices start coming down a bit so we can finally get into our retirement 5th wheel!
Thanks Josh. Awesome video as always. One thing my wife and I always consider is LOAD MODE. When the RV is fully retracted for towing or storage in a storage building, how easy it to load our food, clothes, and accesories? Pulling it out, leveling, and extending slides just to load gear is a huge bummer. Many floorplans have slides that block the fridge, pantry, or wardrobes making loading when stored impossible.
You call it load mode. I call it road mode. I think its the same thing really! That's why I take the time to display it closed up & let you know what is/isn't accessible. This one is generally pretty good that way
move the stove and microwave across from the fridge , take the slideout out, take the table out put a long sit at counter and it would be almost perfect
This would be my choice IF the storage in kitchen not see thru...and a table/ chairs instead of booth...love Frankentables!😅 Its Beautiful and Almost perfect for me. Love the new colors!!! Does the stove fan vent outside? I probably missed it!🙄 😊
I’m no designer, but I would ‘think’ there would be something decorative you could put behind that glass… but I’m at a loss as to what and how to do it that wouldn’t look ugly. 😊
I think some folks assume we are "competition" to one another. We just don't see it like that. Making content is a lot of work and I think we all respect one another a lot as a result
Thanks Nerd! This rig would be perfect if it had a fireplace. The incredible layout and the staggering cargo capacity might help me over look the lack of that 1 box checked on our list of wants.
Really like what Alliance is doing in the Avenue series. There are a lot of nice campers out there, but Alliance is really putting great things together. Thanks Nerd! Happy New Year Josh! Be safe!
The slide and pantry! Lol I actually did that on our 36v11 the first time we used it! New handle from Ace hardware. East fix. But quite embarrassing. Lol❤
It is a two headed sewer monster. We own the 23ML. There is a tank gray in rear for bath and washer dryer and then one in front for kitchen. Two gray sewer outlets.
I like the look of the finishes but disappointed in the bathroom countertops being Thermofoil. I would not consider this unit because of the cabinet door being frosted. Very happy to see the plumbing and that the connections are correct. Very nice video!
Not a bad little unit, with some great features. However, you're going to be hard pressed to even hang a wash cloth, let alone a hand towel off of that towel ring in the bathroom with as low as it is. Thanks for the tour, Uncle Josh!
Gorgeous! I LOVE the layout and smart design. The frosted cabinet panels are beautiful, but though I'm tidy the clutter in the cabinets would bother me. I'm concerned about the height of the "hutch" area in the kitchen as that would be my primary prep space and I'm concerned the height would be uncomfortable for my 5'3" height. I would prefer a freestanding table option for desk/craft space. Love the ventless and flush floors as well as the incredible storage.
While not what we're looking for we'd take this one in heartbeat over our last 5th wheel which was a 28 ft single slide Skyline. Really impressed with Alliance! They seem to be doing some great things! Definitely a brand high on our list as we shop for something a little bigger. As always we enjoy your videos and appreciate your insights and details. Never really thought about banging my head on the cabinets while washing dishes but that happened in our old 5th wheel, even left a mark once.
Impressive cargo capacity. Solid surface kitchen counters and a real wood table? Heck, yeah. Those things alone elevate it above the Cougar. Too bad they wasted the space behind the fridge, that would be a good pocket to stash the broom\swiffer\etc. Bang Your Head is on my RUclips playlist. But I was in my 20s in the 80s, so that's my frame of reference. Thank goodness cell phones didn't exist so there's no photographic or video evidence.
Just bought the 2024 33RKS beginning of November. Gorgeous camper. Couple of slight differences in the 25 model which are nice little upgrades. However, although there is a really good amount of storage in the kitchen and around it, there's no dedicated pantry and the kitchen drawers are ridiculously small. Those are the only real downsides to the floorplan IMHO. When our favorite Nerd gets his hands on one, I'm sure he'll agree about the drawers. Alliance should remove or cut the passthrough cabinet door under the breakfast bar area and make those 3 drawers full size that are just to the left of the stove. There's plenty of room to do that. It would REALLY make that kitchen kick ass. Other than those 2 little quibbles, we absolutely love the camper.
@JoshtheRVNerd I can't think of the number, but it has basically a drop down storage under the bed. That even a hamper fits down there, including more hanging storage.
Since it's a couple's camper, I'd rather see a dining bar. Maybe the slide could be shallower to avoid the wasted space behind the fridge. The recliners would stick out farther but with the dining bar, it shouldn't be a big deal. Glad to see the nice cargo capacity.
"Thanks Nerd, doing a great job!" But seriously, an interesting short 5th wheel. I think the widebody is what makes it a winner. I like the kitchen, more like home. a all around nice unit.
Thank you Mr. Nerd. Not a fan of Pleather/leather seats, I'll take the table and chairs over the dinette, a little spray paint on the inside of the glass cabinet panels will hide the clutter nicely, I personally like the retractable/no glass shower door thing (so afraid of the glass ones breaking), We have a queen bed at home, I can deal with a queen bed in the RV. YAY!!! A TV mount in the bedroom on the correct wall!!! So, any deal breakers in this one for me? Even after looking at the price and needing to upgrade to a 3/4 ton truck, no, no real deal breakers.
Happy new year Josh. This was one of my 2 choices. I was on the fence between the Avenue 23ML or the Delta 252RL. I finally ordered the 252RL wanting to not loose my truck's bed. Keep up your good work and honest reviews. And I also love your access while travelling usage reviews. Your comments on this topic helped me decide on the 252RL. Sorry you people don't have a dealer in the province of Quebec/Canada. Andre
Congratulations on a GREAT new rv regardless of where you purchased it! Would you mind dropping me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review for the helping hand? It'll cost you nothing and we'd sure appreciate it
I would upgrade to something like with a few tweaks. King size bed. Cloth theater seats. If I go this direction, my first move would be to talk to ABC upfitters about where we could install 2 of their power systems. This could be a great fit! Thank you Josh, as always for your insight!
Small fresh tank, but hard to find much else wrong with it. What an incredible package. This thing would be like 23-24 feet behind your truck! Imagine where you could go with this, just about anywhere, and still have a ton of living space. And that counter space. Ridiculous.
I wish all units would do a sink- stove/microwave location swap. It’s not hard to reach around the slide for water. I will definitely have an inverter and solar so I would like to be able to use the microwave. I also like space on each side of the stove. Also an option for washer/dryer combo. Other than that it ticks all the boxes.
Alrighty then Josh, this is probably the first fifth wheel that I would actually consider getting with a newer truck. Obviously, my Tacoma ain’t gonna do it lol. I think the only downside is the fact that if you look at the optional air conditioner in the bedroom, the dump vent is literally or would be pointing directly at the TV. That would not be good as condensation would definitely build up. Also I totally agree with you about the dead space in the RV underneath the refrigerator and behind the refrigerator. Surely they can come up with something to do with it. Even if it’s just something to hold pots and pans. Definitely something small enough to where you wouldn’t have to worry so much about driving down the road or backing into a campground. Would actually be totally perfect for two people with plenty of room. But the truth is there is that there is very little about this RV that I don’t like. I think alliance has really stepped it up. Thank goodness somebody has! I think it’s just a matter of time that everybody else gets a clue and starts building quality like we have before the pandemic. I have truly loved most of these RVs that you have reviewed. Just have to figure out which ones right for me and my wife. Anyway Keep Rockin it Josh.
This would be a good 5th wheel replacement for folks who like the 22ML? travel trailer floor plan. It has about the same total length but due to the upper deck being over the truck bed will have an overall shorter length for the full rig. That is great for getting into tight campsites or my driveway. People talk about the rear end bounce on rear kitchens. We haven't had a problems with it. We use Corelle dishes and all we've ever needed are those foam dish separators you use for moving and we use a foam base shelf liner. By paying attention to how we pack the cabinet and using the pads/shelf liner we have never had a lot of movement of items in the cabinet. I'd rather see a marine style pedestal for the table. Since they have room to wall mount an outlet in the pantry they should have room to wall mount one on the coffee bar side. That would be an improvement over the outlet under the cabinet. Definitely need a second AC. The queen bed is fine for us. I'd rather be able to option out the kitchen so I could set it up myself for a grill station for our Weber Q grill. As it is all of the appliances would end up at the landfill for recycling so I could customize it for us and it would be better to not have to. I assume the spare tire is underneath. If it is is there room to move it the front storage bay where the battery is?
We have this one on order. Single AC and ladder delete. I don't like the ladder location next to the solar. I'm going to get a telescoping ladder to bring along. I believe you have made a number off errors in this video. Solar 200 watt, 15 amp MPPT, it is a two headed sewer monster. One thing I absolutely did not like, is the FW tank drain valve, you almost have to crawl under the rig behind a wheel to grab the handle. It's a 1.5" dump valve like the sewer, but you cannot easily reach it. I suspect you will get very wet when draining the FW tank. Thanks for all the videos and helping us pick this rig. Happy camping
The solar stuff actually changed out from under me. They were trying to adopt something different but ran into production challenges which changed their standard after recording
I love this camper! We looked at a Cougar black, or whatever it was called, it was very dark inside, didn’t like anything about it. I’ll check out your links for similar floor plans. I appreciate all the info you give in your videos-slide in, road mode access, opening doors, etc., and your dad jokes.😀
I like the way they are trying to eliminate the machine gun trim. I like the flip flop garage (nerdism #37.) The area behind the shoe garage is a good space for vacuum sealed extra bedding and pillows. Olympic queen!! Without a bed slide, king is too big. You cannot get between the wall and bed comfortably. Nice unit! Not big enough for me, but I’ve been compensating for years!😂 #Nerdherd happy newt year to the herd.
I've ben pondering layouts lately regarding solo office campers. Replace the dinette with a 2 foot deep table with this layout. I can eat on a table that big. I can watch TV o nthe 32" monitor and it's across from the couch! The TV mount can go away. Just give me a lot of verticle space above the table to put three monitors. Maybe 2x27" and 1x32" monitor wide. That or put in 4 charis and a floating dinette table so a person can simply replace them.
❤😮 WOW 😲 I Love IT 😍❤️ I Love the New decor! 😍 And only 28ft! 😮 And she's turtle friendly 😁 I want this. Talk your parents in to selling their house and full time in this with a camping package. ❤
I don't need a dinette but its location across from the theater seating and under the tv makes it the perfect place to put a much larger tv for those of us looking for a full-time, permanently placed RV.
This is near perfect for a single or couple travelers. Great kitchen space, good storage, everything is well thought out and executed! Off subject, but in AT&T’s switches we don’t use plastic tie wraps because as things move those plastic tie wraps can bite into the wires and cables. That is in switches that bolt to the floor in a building, RV’s shake, rattle and roll as they motor down the road. My point is they make Velcro connectors, tie strips, etc, they are cost ‘comparable’ to tie wraps and would probably reduce their warranty repairs, and serve as a SALES PLUS as they would reduce future electrical issues for their owners.
@ - Plastic zip ties are less expensive than Velcro strips, even when purchased in bulk, but close enough (a few dollars more per thousand) as to not be a deterrent to cost control. But for us, where downtime means lost revenue… they are a mandated necessity. We had a vendor using them, and when discovered decided to argue their safety. Didn’t fly, he was barred from working in any of our facilities. It’s kind of a big deal. 😳🤷🏼♂️🤣
That is really good. Personally I would dump the dinette, raise the window a little (or shorten the window vertically), and do an eat at bar so that you can look out the window. This also opens the area a little more as well as gives you more counter space to use when not sitting there. You could also add in a small island if you need that can tuck under the bar.
@JoshtheRVNerd i would appreciate it! Couples campers, to me, dont really need a dinette. Something that just popped into mind is that you can move the TV down to a TV elevator so that you dont have to have up high.
we purchased an alliance 294rk, although the dealer sucks( blue compass) the manufacturer has been awesome with minor issues and answering questions and overall quality is great
Very nice layout! What's not to like with the features!Plumbing correctly done (finally) and solid counters in the kitchen (very nice) but not in the bathroom (seriously?). Really like the counter space and the storage. Pantry is poorly placed. With shifting loads in the cabinets while towing on our rough roads, glass in the cabinet doors is not a good idea. The roads we traveled last September about shook our fillings out while towing. The inside of the trailer resembled a tossed salad. That situation would result in a bunch of broken glass. I wonder if a Reese Goosebox would help that situation with this trailer by dampening the vibration.
@ Switch to the other side of the Kitchen across from the fridge and just replace with cabinets and countertop in place of the cabinets lost from moving the stove & microwave
Great camper Josh. The cargo on this is incredible. Some of us are getting the references Josh. Keep em coming. Are you going to be at the Tampa Supershow?
The Cougar 23MLE we purchased last year is very much like this RV and we like them both. With the Alliance model, we don't like the direction that the pantry door opens and we prefer the larger shower in our 23MLE. The bedroom in the Alliance is better with more room around the bed and the true queen bed, but there is better storage in our wardrobe slide. Our RV was also $14K less expensive, so we are very satisfied with our choice, but the Alliance 23ML is a very nice RV.
I like this one alot too, although the 29rl is a bit ahead of it for me, I think. Think you slipped up on the solar. As an All Access it has a 200w panel and 15 amp controller, not the 320w/40a you mentioned. Agree with you about the poor placement of the panel by the ladder. Overall, very nice!
The solar info I said is not correct _NOW_ but was at the time. They changed up some planning after bumping into some hiccups trying a different standardization on some smaller models
The lots of stuff is good, but there are many small points I don't like. Stove in the corner, TV situation, self closer on pantry, bath counter, fresh tank, camp windows Shopping to replace our very similar GD 273. This one is second place so far. Always appreciate your clarity and charm.
@JoshtheRVNerd Saw that video when released. It's in first place! $40K more and still not perfect... I may have to do a differences list. Still haven't seen either in person!
Hi Josh, Really interested in the comment you made about replacing the knee kncocker table with a floating table from Amazon. Do you have a link for that? And I know Alliance will be watching these comments so I have a few thoughts to go along with yours. That pantry door opens the wrong way. I liked someone's comment about a doohickey that could sense the door being open and disabling the slide. The dual level counter top in the kitchen is supposedly caused by the outdoor kitchen. Really? 2"? Then raise the rest of the counter? Comparing the Cougar floor plan to this it looks as though there's almost a foot to the right of the stove on the 8' wide Cougar. Nice. However, the video doesn't support that. Just saying, some room to the right of the stove would be a welcome improvement. And the Microwave isn't stuck in the corner putting the mw door in an awkward position. I'm with you on the pop up power outlets too. I love those. Hugh thumbs up for the single sewer connection and the rack/pinion slide!
Oh Josh! You really outdid yourself on this fifth wheel ! This IS the one I am going to buy! I have been watching your videos for over 2 year's 😂 and this is the most perfect fifth wheel, travel trailer, that I have ever seen! It has EVERYTHING I've ever wanted!!!!!!!! Thank you😂 It's 👌 ❤ I don't know if I missed it, but do you think this could be towed with a half ton with a 5.7 motor, Toyota Tundra?
I do not think Tundras or half-tons in general should be paired with most any fifth wheel. I cannot give you a better answer based only on the engine of your truck though Half tons (including tundras) often lack the necessary payload ratings There's an outside chance it could work but without actual truck info I cannot provide any better info
Thanks Nerd! I love this one, I HATE those stupid fold in the door steps but its not a deal breaker.( Thanks for putting the bang your head song in my head BTW! \m/ ) Road mode is great too. I just added this to my short list as I'm shopping for a new rig! #RVNerdHerd
I noticed the windows 1st. Best I've seen in a long time. The kitchen is very functional, I would prefer outlets at counter height, or as you said pop-up. I'm just not a fan of dangling cords especially if it's where I'm trying to work, such as using a mixer. The storage is excellent, but as others have said I'm not a fan of frosted cupboard doors. I like the light and open feel the add, but is it worth showing off your cereal? It's a shame the awning is small, but I can see adding a screened tent next to it for more shade. That solar panel right next to the ladder is a little concerning. I wonder how long it would take for me to either stumble and land on the solar panel or crash land for trying to save the panels... I like the grill/flattop combo. Nice to see something other than just the flattop. The booth is probably the only thing I would change. Either a regular booth on the door end to retain the shoe garage or chairs, and one of those booth seats you an use as an automan. That would add mobile seating if needed. Even better, replace that with a desk/table thing, add some versitility.
I love this layout. Any chance they are offering an electric fireplace option between the fuse box and pantry? If this was an option I would be purchasing. This is the closest I've seen to the Brinkley z2680 in relation to function and design. Way to go Alliance! 30:1830:18
@JoshtheRVNerd washer dryer hookup all prepped behind those 4 drawers in the bedroom. We had the drawers removed and added a combo vented W/D right into the prep
Very interesting. I personally like the road mode detail, makes it easier to take a lunch break while traveling. We will have to check it out. ❤❤Thanks Josh
I love not having a slide in the bedroom. I agree with all your pros and cons. Perfect couples RV! Thanks for revisiting this one Josh!
I appreciate your level of detail and the time you take during the walk thru. So many other RV reviewers seem to rush thru and only skim over the small details. I agree this is ALMOST the perfect couples fifth wheel. My wife and I have owned a Jayco 25.5 REOK with the Modern Farmhouse interior (aka light and bright) for the past four years and we have come to discover many features we wouldn't live without in a new fifth wheel. Besides the basics, the following features are high on our list; it MUST be under 30 feet, have an auto leveling system, have solar, have ample storage inside and out, have a tow hitch (we bring along our Polaris Ranger occasionally), have a back-up camera, have a booth dinette with storage underneath, have an outdoor kitchen and importantly...A FIREPLACE!! That is why I emphasized, this Alliance model is ALMOST a perfect couples fifth wheel as it does not have a fireplace. You have gained a new subscriber.
Thanks, Nerd! There’s a lot to love in this unit from Alliance!
It seems like the pantry door/slide interference risk could easily be mitigated with a safety cutout switch installed on the pantry door; disabling the slide unless the door is completely closed.
Given the generous cargo and holding tank capacities, coupled with the floor to ceiling closet in the master, this unit is begging for washer/dryer prep!
Keep up the great work!
that kill switch on the door is a SMART solution!
add tv lift station, add a fireplace in front of it with some sort of folding retractable table. Yes you less storage under the bench but seems like there is more than enough. Raise the window up so you can see out when standing making it feel larger. pantry door i would flip the hinge around so less likely to crush with slide. would add some sort of slide out drawer under fridge. Ditch the ceiling speakers, I think most people are using portable speakers. Remove skylight that will leak later and huge air exchange. i like drawers under the bed to make access easier. luv the dimmers and vent less. thanks for the vid. nice looking rv there Clark!
Man sounds good to me!
Do you know of a smaller RV with televator/desk across from the couch? @@JoshtheRVNerd
I like all those suggestions!
@@tomstone8976 lots of good ideas! Maybe a projector TV on that bigger window.
Because it is a couples layout they sub a counter and stools for the dinette and maybe offer a hide bed option
cool idea!
Love this one! Saw it at Hershey. Wish it had a larger fresh tank, though. And maybe a pull out sofa bed in the slide for guests. I would love to see the free-standing table version.
Thanks Josh. Signing the paperwork (hopefully) tomorrow on one.
ooh i'm kinda jealous!
Thanks Nerd , nice video. It was between this one and the cougar 23 mle and we chose the cougar 23 MLE for us. And we love that to no end! This one was a good second choice. Thank you and keep up the great videos
For a short 5th wheel, I like it, and I agree with you the color palette is really nice. For such a small 5th wheel is really does have big 5th wheel features and I love the holding tank capacities, and the remote tank dump handles WOW, superb job.
This is awesome. They need to make this exact floorplan with these colors as a Delta towable.
That would be great. Cougar has a version you can see here ruclips.net/video/loy8nKOOj_Q/видео.html
I WANT THIS IN A TRAVEL TRAILER!!!! Great floorplan and execution. Alliance makes a great product, sure to be my next trailer brand.
Another perfect couple’s floorplan if you option out the decades old diner booth dinette for the far more flexible residential table and chairs that can be turned to face the theater seating when entertaining visitors on a cold rainy day👍👍👍
Electric fireplace needed, still a sweet floorplan. I like the optional table setup
TY David!
I have my heart set on a bigger 2025 Durango that I absolutely love, but if I were going to go a little smaller..you have just about sold me on this one! Really liking just about everything about it!
Which model Durango are you hunting?
@ the new 2025 D281 RKD. Last year I requested the floor plan based on a Durango half ton and the 280 with east west bed and they made it! I am shocked! When you talk about manufacturers listening customers KZ proved it to me!!
@ we first saw a Durango half ton at a show and loved everything about it, but I really want an east west bed slide..so here we are. Hoping prices start coming down a bit so we can finally get into our retirement 5th wheel!
Thanks Josh. Awesome video as always. One thing my wife and I always consider is LOAD MODE. When the RV is fully retracted for towing or storage in a storage building, how easy it to load our food, clothes, and accesories? Pulling it out, leveling, and extending slides just to load gear is a huge bummer. Many floorplans have slides that block the fridge, pantry, or wardrobes making loading when stored impossible.
You call it load mode. I call it road mode. I think its the same thing really!
That's why I take the time to display it closed up & let you know what is/isn't accessible. This one is generally pretty good that way
move the stove and microwave across from the fridge , take the slideout out, take the table out put a long sit at counter and it would be almost perfect
This would be my choice IF the storage in kitchen not see thru...and a table/ chairs instead of booth...love Frankentables!😅 Its Beautiful and Almost perfect for me. Love the new colors!!! Does the stove fan vent outside? I probably missed it!🙄 😊
I’m no designer, but I would ‘think’ there would be something decorative you could put behind that glass… but I’m at a loss as to what and how to do it that wouldn’t look ugly. 😊
They have an option to switch to a table and chairs at no cost.
@@Erin-ThorThank you...been trying to think of something as well!😂
@@LifeIsAJourney4UsThank you so much for info!! 😊
We have ordered this 5ver. We are planning to apply window tint to the glass.
Love the Quiet Riot reference!! In fact when camping multiple bang your head album songs end up on our playlist
Awesome to see Josh, Matt and Jason from RV Miles all in the same video!
I think some folks assume we are "competition" to one another. We just don't see it like that. Making content is a lot of work and I think we all respect one another a lot as a result
Thanks Nerd! This rig would be perfect if it had a fireplace. The incredible layout and the staggering cargo capacity might help me over look the lack of that 1 box checked on our list of wants.
Really like what Alliance is doing in the Avenue series. There are a lot of nice campers out there, but Alliance is really putting great things together. Thanks Nerd! Happy New Year Josh! Be safe!
Glad you're enjoying the videos! I do agree - Alliance is defining themselves as a more premium offering above the industry standard
I love, love, love this!!!
I like it. Only wish they would list the size of the dinette so we would know how short you have to be to sleep in it.
man I just had this chat internally
The slide and pantry! Lol
I actually did that on our 36v11 the first time we used it! New handle from Ace hardware. East fix.
But quite embarrassing. Lol❤
I was so nervous when you went around to the poop side. I was expecting a 2 headed sewer monster. Way to go Alliance!
It is a two headed sewer monster. We own the 23ML. There is a tank gray in rear for bath and washer dryer and then one in front for kitchen. Two gray sewer outlets.
They really nailed it on this one!
WOO! Glad you like it. I sure did. Jumped up high on my personal list
I love this. But 1 thing is the empty space under the fridge. Thanks nerd! 😁
yeah I'm not a fan of wasted spaces
I like the look of the finishes but disappointed in the bathroom countertops being Thermofoil. I would not consider this unit because of the cabinet door being frosted. Very happy to see the plumbing and that the connections are correct. Very nice video!
King bed…and sofa sleeper across from lounge chairs instead of dinette would make this perfect!
Pretty sure you can option that
Not a bad little unit, with some great features. However, you're going to be hard pressed to even hang a wash cloth, let alone a hand towel off of that towel ring in the bathroom with as low as it is.
Thanks for the tour, Uncle Josh!
Gorgeous! I LOVE the layout and smart design. The frosted cabinet panels are beautiful, but though I'm tidy the clutter in the cabinets would bother me. I'm concerned about the height of the "hutch" area in the kitchen as that would be my primary prep space and I'm concerned the height would be uncomfortable for my 5'3" height. I would prefer a freestanding table option for desk/craft space. Love the ventless and flush floors as well as the incredible storage.
So many cameos from other RV RUclipsrs! Glad you all had a bit of fun that day in amongst all the hard work :)
We really get along well. Kindred sort of spirits
While not what we're looking for we'd take this one in heartbeat over our last 5th wheel which was a 28 ft single slide Skyline. Really impressed with Alliance! They seem to be doing some great things! Definitely a brand high on our list as we shop for something a little bigger. As always we enjoy your videos and appreciate your insights and details. Never really thought about banging my head on the cabinets while washing dishes but that happened in our old 5th wheel, even left a mark once.
Wow skyline.. that's going back a bit!
Alliance really is doing a great job
For this One ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 5 Stars ! 🤙
☺☺☺☺☺
Impressive cargo capacity. Solid surface kitchen counters and a real wood table? Heck, yeah. Those things alone elevate it above the Cougar. Too bad they wasted the space behind the fridge, that would be a good pocket to stash the broom\swiffer\etc. Bang Your Head is on my RUclips playlist. But I was in my 20s in the 80s, so that's my frame of reference. Thank goodness cell phones didn't exist so there's no photographic or video evidence.
Nice looking little camper
Thank you!
One of my favorite floorplans yet! Thanks Josh. Can you fit a stackable w\d in bedroom?
I wouldn't change anything. Best version of this floor plan to me.
wow.. nice!!
Really liking what Alliance is doing. Josh, by chance do you have a 33RKS tour in the works? That’s the one that checks ALL the boxes for us.
I haven't been able to get my hands on that one YET but hopefully this year
Just bought the 2024 33RKS beginning of November. Gorgeous camper. Couple of slight differences in the 25 model which are nice little upgrades. However, although there is a really good amount of storage in the kitchen and around it, there's no dedicated pantry and the kitchen drawers are ridiculously small. Those are the only real downsides to the floorplan IMHO. When our favorite Nerd gets his hands on one, I'm sure he'll agree about the drawers. Alliance should remove or cut the passthrough cabinet door under the breakfast bar area and make those 3 drawers full size that are just to the left of the stove. There's plenty of room to do that. It would REALLY make that kitchen kick ass. Other than those 2 little quibbles, we absolutely love the camper.
Very nice 5th
Replace one hinge on pantry with a self closing spring hinge - like on your garage door from house
Changing the swing on the pantry door would be my recommendation.
Fair. TY
Holy moly, now I have 2 favorites! Both are from Alliance! 🎉🎉
what's the other?
@JoshtheRVNerd I can't think of the number, but it has basically a drop down storage under the bed. That even a hamper fits down there, including more hanging storage.
Wow!! This is what I have been looking for. Perfect fit for me. The taxachusettes guy..
Thanks Josh.
lol you have to keep that name
Love the road mode and oven is nice too.
TY!
Since it's a couple's camper, I'd rather see a dining bar. Maybe the slide could be shallower to avoid the wasted space behind the fridge. The recliners would stick out farther but with the dining bar, it shouldn't be a big deal. Glad to see the nice cargo capacity.
I love dining bars so you don't have to work hard to convince me
"Thanks Nerd, doing a great job!" But seriously, an interesting short 5th wheel. I think the widebody is what makes it a winner. I like the kitchen, more like home. a all around nice unit.
That wider body really DOES make an impact on this one!
Thank you Mr. Nerd. Not a fan of Pleather/leather seats, I'll take the table and chairs over the dinette, a little spray paint on the inside of the glass cabinet panels will hide the clutter nicely, I personally like the retractable/no glass shower door thing (so afraid of the glass ones breaking), We have a queen bed at home, I can deal with a queen bed in the RV. YAY!!! A TV mount in the bedroom on the correct wall!!! So, any deal breakers in this one for me? Even after looking at the price and needing to upgrade to a 3/4 ton truck, no, no real deal breakers.
I actually like how Jayco has gone totally back to cloth tough on all seating
Happy new year Josh. This was one of my 2 choices. I was on the fence between the Avenue 23ML or the Delta 252RL. I finally ordered the 252RL wanting to not loose my truck's bed. Keep up your good work and honest reviews. And I also love your access while travelling usage reviews. Your comments on this topic helped me decide on the 252RL. Sorry you people don't have a dealer in the province of Quebec/Canada. Andre
Congratulations on a GREAT new rv regardless of where you purchased it! Would you mind dropping me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review for the helping hand?
It'll cost you nothing and we'd sure appreciate it
I would upgrade to something like with a few tweaks. King size bed. Cloth theater seats. If I go this direction, my first move would be to talk to ABC upfitters about where we could install 2 of their power systems. This could be a great fit! Thank you Josh, as always for your insight!
Gotta say.. I like the king bed and cloth theater seating ideas..
Small fresh tank, but hard to find much else wrong with it. What an incredible package. This thing would be like 23-24 feet behind your truck! Imagine where you could go with this, just about anywhere, and still have a ton of living space. And that counter space. Ridiculous.
I wish all units would do a sink- stove/microwave location swap. It’s not hard to reach around the slide for water. I will definitely have an inverter and solar so I would like to be able to use the microwave. I also like space on each side of the stove. Also an option for washer/dryer combo. Other than that it ticks all the boxes.
Hey Thanks, Nerd! From Maine.
You bet!
Alrighty then Josh, this is probably the first fifth wheel that I would actually consider getting with a newer truck. Obviously, my Tacoma ain’t gonna do it lol. I think the only downside is the fact that if you look at the optional air conditioner in the bedroom, the dump vent is literally or would be pointing directly at the TV. That would not be good as condensation would definitely build up. Also I totally agree with you about the dead space in the RV underneath the refrigerator and behind the refrigerator. Surely they can come up with something to do with it. Even if it’s just something to hold pots and pans. Definitely something small enough to where you wouldn’t have to worry so much about driving down the road or backing into a campground. Would actually be totally perfect for two people with plenty of room. But the truth is there is that there is very little about this RV that I don’t like. I think alliance has really stepped it up. Thank goodness somebody has! I think it’s just a matter of time that everybody else gets a clue and starts building quality like we have before the pandemic. I have truly loved most of these RVs that you have reviewed. Just have to figure out which ones right for me and my wife. Anyway Keep Rockin it Josh.
Alliance is crushing for sure
I am not looking for a fifth wheel. But if I was this one is a definite choice. Good Job
Cougar basically makes a trailer version of this here ruclips.net/video/loy8nKOOj_Q/видео.html
This would be a good 5th wheel replacement for folks who like the 22ML? travel trailer floor plan. It has about the same total length but due to the upper deck being over the truck bed will have an overall shorter length for the full rig. That is great for getting into tight campsites or my driveway.
People talk about the rear end bounce on rear kitchens. We haven't had a problems with it. We use Corelle dishes and all we've ever needed are those foam dish separators you use for moving and we use a foam base shelf liner. By paying attention to how we pack the cabinet and using the pads/shelf liner we have never had a lot of movement of items in the cabinet.
I'd rather see a marine style pedestal for the table.
Since they have room to wall mount an outlet in the pantry they should have room to wall mount one on the coffee bar side. That would be an improvement over the outlet under the cabinet.
Definitely need a second AC.
The queen bed is fine for us.
I'd rather be able to option out the kitchen so I could set it up myself for a grill station for our Weber Q grill. As it is all of the appliances would end up at the landfill for recycling so I could customize it for us and it would be better to not have to.
I assume the spare tire is underneath. If it is is there room to move it the front storage bay where the battery is?
This is really of interest to us, especially with the accessible bathroom.
Can you advise on traveling with liquid in tanks on 5th wheels
Alliance was the first towable brand of which I'm aware to overtly state "you can tow our rvs with full tanks"
We have this one on order. Single AC and ladder delete. I don't like the ladder location next to the solar. I'm going to get a telescoping ladder to bring along.
I believe you have made a number off errors in this video. Solar 200 watt, 15 amp MPPT, it is a two headed sewer monster.
One thing I absolutely did not like, is the FW tank drain valve, you almost have to crawl under the rig behind a wheel to grab the handle. It's a 1.5" dump valve like the sewer, but you cannot easily reach it. I suspect you will get very wet when draining the FW tank.
Thanks for all the videos and helping us pick this rig. Happy camping
The solar stuff actually changed out from under me. They were trying to adopt something different but ran into production challenges which changed their standard after recording
Always always love your videos! Have a Blessed New Year, and oh love this rig…….
Same to you, Linda!
I love this camper! We looked at a Cougar black, or whatever it was called, it was very dark inside, didn’t like anything about it. I’ll check out your links for similar floor plans. I appreciate all the info you give in your videos-slide in, road mode access, opening doors, etc., and your dad jokes.😀
Interesting.. cougar has a pretty light decor overall I thought..
#RVNerdHerd 😊 🎉 😊
Can you show quick view of inside gaps when slide closed
I like the way they are trying to eliminate the machine gun trim. I like the flip flop garage (nerdism #37.) The area behind the shoe garage is a good space for vacuum sealed extra bedding and pillows. Olympic queen!! Without a bed slide, king is too big. You cannot get between the wall and bed comfortably. Nice unit! Not big enough for me, but I’ve been compensating for years!😂 #Nerdherd happy newt year to the herd.
lol it's so funny to me when I see people using my silly little phrases
@ well, I may have to start labeling them Nerdism 37-A-ZZZ!😂
I've ben pondering layouts lately regarding solo office campers. Replace the dinette with a 2 foot deep table with this layout. I can eat on a table that big. I can watch TV o nthe 32" monitor and it's across from the couch! The TV mount can go away. Just give me a lot of verticle space above the table to put three monitors. Maybe 2x27" and 1x32" monitor wide.
That or put in 4 charis and a floating dinette table so a person can simply replace them.
yeah I think there are some key differences between a "Couple's camper" and a "Solo RV"
❤😮 WOW 😲 I Love IT 😍❤️ I Love the New decor! 😍 And only 28ft! 😮 And she's turtle friendly 😁 I want this. Talk your parents in to selling their house and full time in this with a camping package. ❤
It is pretty amazing, I think! 😂
Love this rv. Would want the table and chairs. Love color coded wiring, Have had to have current 5th wheel worked on.
What do you have currently?
With the " offer bar" area a nice convection/air fryer would give you quick cooking.
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I don't need a dinette but its location across from the theater seating and under the tv makes it the perfect place to put a much larger tv for those of us looking for a full-time, permanently placed RV.
The OEM TV is 50 inches. Pretty big
This is near perfect for a single or couple travelers. Great kitchen space, good storage, everything is well thought out and executed!
Off subject, but in AT&T’s switches we don’t use plastic tie wraps because as things move those plastic tie wraps can bite into the wires and cables. That is in switches that bolt to the floor in a building, RV’s shake, rattle and roll as they motor down the road. My point is they make Velcro connectors, tie strips, etc, they are cost ‘comparable’ to tie wraps and would probably reduce their warranty repairs, and serve as a SALES PLUS as they would reduce future electrical issues for their owners.
There are so many areas where this industry could save money overall by spending a little more up front. You're 100% right here
@ - Plastic zip ties are less expensive than Velcro strips, even when purchased in bulk, but close enough (a few dollars more per thousand) as to not be a deterrent to cost control. But for us, where downtime means lost revenue… they are a mandated necessity. We had a vendor using them, and when discovered decided to argue their safety. Didn’t fly, he was barred from working in any of our facilities. It’s kind of a big deal. 😳🤷🏼♂️🤣
That is really good. Personally I would dump the dinette, raise the window a little (or shorten the window vertically), and do an eat at bar so that you can look out the window. This also opens the area a little more as well as gives you more counter space to use when not sitting there. You could also add in a small island if you need that can tuck under the bar.
That’s a really great idea! I’m thinking about taking that to the designers
@JoshtheRVNerd i would appreciate it! Couples campers, to me, dont really need a dinette. Something that just popped into mind is that you can move the TV down to a TV elevator so that you dont have to have up high.
@@michaelvanos1423I really like the dinette so if you have a small grandkid there is a place for them to sleep!
I just started looking at the Alliance trailers. Really nice. Thanks for the video.
They are sharp for sure but their back end service and support is truly where I think alliance shines brightest
@@JoshtheRVNerd Seems like they also take pride in their construction. Good service/support and well built. Hard to beat.
we purchased an alliance 294rk, although the dealer sucks( blue compass) the manufacturer has been awesome with minor issues and answering questions and overall quality is great
@@kylewalsh9508 Thanks for sharing!!
I love this floor plan. Just not sure it's worth going in debt when our current trailer is paid off. Maybe if we had tons of "extra" money 🤣
Oh i get that. I've driving cars until they absolutely DIED because they were paid off lol
combo washer and dryer prep would be great for this unit
It is there. the prep is behind the 4 drawers in the bedroom. We bought the 23ML and installed the W/D combo
It's prepped!
Stackable?
I think I might want to turn that door around on the pantry. So it opens the other way. Thanks Nerd. Lol
Seems to be the common request. ty
Very nice I'm a cougar fan but this checks some of my boxes😊
yeah this was a SOLID offering
Very nice layout! What's not to like with the features!Plumbing correctly done (finally) and solid counters in the kitchen (very nice) but not in the bathroom (seriously?). Really like the counter space and the storage. Pantry is poorly placed. With shifting loads in the cabinets while towing on our rough roads, glass in the cabinet doors is not a good idea. The roads we traveled last September about shook our fillings out while towing. The inside of the trailer resembled a tossed salad. That situation would result in a bunch of broken glass. I wonder if a Reese Goosebox would help that situation with this trailer by dampening the vibration.
The change in counters in the bathroom is mostly a symptom of the targeted price point here. You won't find that in something like their Paradigms
Now that's my kind of 5th wheel.
It's so good
We finally got to "see" JD!
lol :)
What size towel would you hang on that ring in the bathroom? That narrow side of the bed would be my side.
hand towel fits nice
love my Jayco 24RE but this one is really interesting
Jayco has their version of this coming as well called the Eagle 24MLE btw
Definitely not a deal breaker excellent road mode but it be even better if they moved the Oven & Microwave from behind the Slide when closed.
I've seen similar sentiment from folks about the fridge/oven placement. if they pulled those out, then what would you put back in their place?
@ Switch to the other side of the Kitchen across from the fridge and just replace with cabinets and countertop in place of the cabinets lost from moving the stove & microwave
Great camper Josh. The cargo on this is incredible. Some of us are getting the references Josh. Keep em coming. Are you going to be at the Tampa Supershow?
I won't be in Tampa this year as it turns out
The Cougar 23MLE we purchased last year is very much like this RV and we like them both. With the Alliance model, we don't like the direction that the pantry door opens and we prefer the larger shower in our 23MLE. The bedroom in the Alliance is better with more room around the bed and the true queen bed, but there is better storage in our wardrobe slide. Our RV was also $14K less expensive, so we are very satisfied with our choice, but the Alliance 23ML is a very nice RV.
Yeah this is unapologetically alliance saying "we like that cougar and wanted to build it too" - GREAT layout
I like this one alot too, although the 29rl is a bit ahead of it for me, I think. Think you slipped up on the solar. As an All Access it has a 200w panel and 15 amp controller, not the 320w/40a you mentioned. Agree with you about the poor placement of the panel by the ladder. Overall, very nice!
The solar info I said is not correct _NOW_ but was at the time. They changed up some planning after bumping into some hiccups trying a different standardization on some smaller models
The lots of stuff is good, but there are many small points I don't like.
Stove in the corner, TV situation, self closer on pantry, bath counter, fresh tank, camp windows
Shopping to replace our very similar GD 273. This one is second place so far.
Always appreciate your clarity and charm.
Hmm... I wonder how this one might work for you: ruclips.net/video/fUSWCU0FiFw/видео.html
@JoshtheRVNerd Saw that video when released. It's in first place! $40K more and still not perfect... I may have to do a differences list. Still haven't seen either in person!
Hi Josh, Really interested in the comment you made about replacing the knee kncocker table with a floating table from Amazon. Do you have a link for that? And I know Alliance will be watching these comments so I have a few thoughts to go along with yours. That pantry door opens the wrong way. I liked someone's comment about a doohickey that could sense the door being open and disabling the slide. The dual level counter top in the kitchen is supposedly caused by the outdoor kitchen. Really? 2"? Then raise the rest of the counter? Comparing the Cougar floor plan to this it looks as though there's almost a foot to the right of the stove on the 8' wide Cougar. Nice. However, the video doesn't support that. Just saying, some room to the right of the stove would be a welcome improvement. And the Microwave isn't stuck in the corner putting the mw door in an awkward position. I'm with you on the pop up power outlets too. I love those. Hugh thumbs up for the single sewer connection and the rack/pinion slide!
Nice layout!
agreed! TY
Nice unit.
Agreed! TY
Oh Josh! You really outdid yourself on this fifth wheel ! This IS the one I am going to buy! I have been watching your videos for over 2 year's 😂 and this is the most perfect fifth wheel, travel trailer, that I have ever seen! It has EVERYTHING I've ever wanted!!!!!!!! Thank you😂 It's 👌 ❤ I don't know if I missed it, but do you think this could be towed with a half ton with a 5.7 motor, Toyota Tundra?
I do not think Tundras or half-tons in general should be paired with most any fifth wheel. I cannot give you a better answer based only on the engine of your truck though
Half tons (including tundras) often lack the necessary payload ratings
There's an outside chance it could work but without actual truck info I cannot provide any better info
Thanks Nerd! I love this one, I HATE those stupid fold in the door steps but its not a deal breaker.( Thanks for putting the bang your head song in my head BTW! \m/ ) Road mode is great too. I just added this to my short list as I'm shopping for a new rig! #RVNerdHerd
Needs solid cabinet doors, I'm not trying to show case my COOL RANCH and Lucky Charms.
lolol
Only the REAL ones mix the two..
I noticed the windows 1st. Best I've seen in a long time. The kitchen is very functional, I would prefer outlets at counter height, or as you said pop-up. I'm just not a fan of dangling cords especially if it's where I'm trying to work, such as using a mixer. The storage is excellent, but as others have said I'm not a fan of frosted cupboard doors. I like the light and open feel the add, but is it worth showing off your cereal?
It's a shame the awning is small, but I can see adding a screened tent next to it for more shade.
That solar panel right next to the ladder is a little concerning. I wonder how long it would take for me to either stumble and land on the solar panel or crash land for trying to save the panels...
I like the grill/flattop combo. Nice to see something other than just the flattop.
The booth is probably the only thing I would change. Either a regular booth on the door end to retain the shoe garage or chairs, and one of those booth seats you an use as an automan. That would add mobile seating if needed.
Even better, replace that with a desk/table thing, add some versitility.
Love the ideas! TY penny! I appreciate all your visits :)
Thanks nerd 🍺 🤓
You got it!
Positive comment for Alliance. They have the pantry door opening on the wrong side…
Word is this can make that happen
A big +1 on alliances spin on this layout is the rack and pinion slide. Cable slides scare me lol.
Yeah that's a nice find
I love this layout. Any chance they are offering an electric fireplace option between the fuse box and pantry? If this was an option I would be purchasing. This is the closest I've seen to the Brinkley z2680 in relation to function and design. Way to go Alliance! 30:18 30:18
I don't know of an option for a fireplace there but I wondered the same myself
Stop making me wish I'd bought a 3/4 ton!! 🤣 🤣
#Nerdherd! 🇨🇦
You mean a 680.3886 kilogram truck?
@JoshtheRVNerd HAHAHAHAHA!! 🤣
You actually did the math? 😂
good video Josh
TY for watching!
@JoshtheRVNerd washer dryer hookup all prepped behind those 4 drawers in the bedroom. We had the drawers removed and added a combo vented W/D right into the prep
yep yep! Thank you so much!