Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Napoleon Bonaparte Are Pretty Similar...
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Toyotomi Hidyoshi and Napoleon Bonaparte have quite a bit in common! Let's take a look! I may actually return to this topic for a full video at some point...
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Hideyoshi's raise to power is incredible. Considering how rigid the class system was in Japan at the time.
Yes, and other than his own abities this is partially because he was lucky enough to be working under Nobunaga who was considerably less of a traditionalist than the average daimyo at the time
Well, Hideyoshi made it much more rigid ...
@@Fred_L. Would you elaborate?
@@adamiadamiadami Under Hideyoshi the occupational class system was solidified by fixing the differences and forbidding people to change between them. He also initiated sword hunts and the Samurai themselves saw changes as well (which of course the Tokugawa would continue). Hideyoshi had one of the most impressive rises from low to high ever, a great Sengoku era example, and then closed the door behind him for everybody else.
Actually during hideyoshi's day before being taiko . It was not nearly as rigid as it was after. You could raise above your birth station through military exploits or other ways.
After becoming taiko though it became very rigid to the point of zero advancement at all unless you where lucky to be born into a class that allowed it.
Toyotomi Hideyoshi is the ultimate rags to riches story
One major difference: Hideyoshi got no second chance.
yeah,death got him
but he invaded korea twice...
Age does that
He didn't need it, no one ever cornered or forced him into exile.
@@親日家 Maybe that's a sign he's a better diplomat than Napoleon.
Hideyoshi also had a great ambition to conquer the world.
Hideyoshi was a peasant farmer while Napoleon was from a minor noble family. Also Hideyoshi was never deposed and exiled. He was at his peak when he died. His son just couldn’t hold onto that power.
easy to maintain power when their enemies can't reach them over the ocean.
@@stefthorman8548 both cases the enemy hold major economical power + ocean as barrier.
Fun fact about Napoleon. He was french because Corsica, the island where he was born, was bougth by France a couple of years before he was born. Corsica was previusly Genoese, but the corsicans rebeled and achieved de facto independence and expulsed the genoese from most of the island except a couple of forts. France bougth said forts and the "rigths" to the island from the genoese who weren't capable of retaking it, and soon later the french conquered the island making it a part of France. I find it so intriguing that with just a few years of difference Napoleon could have been some figure that fougth the french to maintain corsican independence or who knows what in the genoese state.
Aren't they italian? It's so strange that many great "french" leaders besides Charles de Gaul weren't even French
@@brendanmuller7301 Indeed, very interesting. I think they are indeed closest to the Italians in many things, although they have been part of several states through history, like the kingdom of Aragon on the Iberian peninsula. There was even a short lived anglo-corsican kingdom when Pasquale Paoli, one of the most prominent Corsican revolutionaries that helped Corsica become independent, invited English troops and together expulse the French troops from the island. This only lasted a couple of years and once the English stopped supporting them they were reincorporated into France. As you may guess there was also a very strong independent sentiment, I believe there even was a terrorist group, the national liberation front of Corsica, that was active 10 or so years ago that demanded a Corsica independent from France.
@@brendanmuller7301 Napoleon was Corsican by blood but by his mid 20s he was pretty firmly French in mindset and culture despite his Corsican up bringing. He moved to France to be a student at a military academy at the age of 9 and would spend most of the rest of his life in France save for a stint where he returned to Corsica to get elected head of the National Guard units there, eventually though he was basically exiled to France by anti-French/Revolution Corsican nationalists led by Pasquale Paoli, who requested help from the British to expel the French troops and pro-French/Revolution Corsicans.
@@brendanmuller7301 Yes they are, Italian peninsula was divided for a long time that's why we heard venetians, geoneses, corsicans, lombardians, papal states, etc when talking about them had them stayed separated we probably would have many smaller countries today.
I too have watched oversimplified
Hideyoshi Hashiba died then over a hundred years later was reincarnated as Napoleon Bonaparte.
This is why Hideyoshi is my boy and always will be. Nobunaga rose through ambition and innovation, Ieyasu basically plotted and planned his way to power through patience and resources, but Hideyoshi dragged himself to the top with his bare hands. Everything he did was made all the more impressive by the fact that he had nothing to start out with apart from his talent for making people like him, and helping bring out the best of his allies talents. If Sekigahara had ended differently, or Hidetsugu hadn't plotted a coup, we might well remember Hideyoshi as the greatest warlord of the period.
All three rose from relative obscurity and clawed their way to the top. Sure Nobunaga and Ieyasu may have been born into the samurai class but the Oda clan was practically unknown before Nobuhide put them on the map and nearly lost everything upon his death and the Matsudaira clan that Ieyasu came from had fallen far before he rose to power. Frankly Ieyasu shouldn't have survived his childhood, Oda Nobuhide had every right to execute him as a political hostage but peacefully handed him over to the Imagawa. Nobunaga also could easily have held a grudge against the Matsudaira and crushed them and certainly was not obligated to make Ieyasu an "equal" partner in alliance.
Backtracking for a moment but Nobunaga's family were the branch family of a minor vassal clan to the ruling Shiba clan of Owari, who themselves had fallen far from preeminence by the time of Nobunaga's birth. Some historians still debate whether Nobunaga made up a portion of his family's lineage to justify their right to rule.
These three beat insane odds to become Japan's three unifiers and there were many other incredible rises during this era across the length of Japan.
They’re both absolutely nuts
Thanks for a very interesting comparison
I think he's more similar to Diocletian, from peasant to tuler, military leaders and persecution of Christians 🧐
Maybe Hideyoshi reincarnated into Napoleon.
Admiral Yi of Korea was like Lord Horatio Nelson, crushing Boney's ambition at sea.
Korea?
In more ways than one since Admiral Yi died during the most important naval battle of that war, like Nelson. Also the Joseon Navy was superior to Hideyoshi's Navy despite being outnumbered, same as Britain who at one point had to deal with both the French and Spanish Navies on its own.
Korea?
@@blacklegion2531 yes in Korea/ the Kingdom of Joseon
@@MarvinT0606 ok
Two things: 1)Hideyoshi was a siege expert while Napoleon was a master of rapid aggresive warfare; 2) Hideyoshi was loyal to his allies, even lords like Tokugawa, while Napoleon always backstabbed his allies, from Spain to Russia.
Both of them are generous to their retainers
Not sure about Spain , but I am sure Russia back stabbed Napoleon by exiting the continental system .
Never forget this man cheated on his wife so much Oda wrote him basically a death threat. You'd think that wouldn't matter too much IT MATTERS A HUGE AMOUNT IN THE HISTORY being a cause of a lot of his family's downfall.
@OmegaFares Russia did it because the Continental System was a pain in their economy and impossible to enforce thanks to the Royal Navy running smuggling operations. Had Napoleon exempted Russia from that system they would have stayed as allies.
As for Spain, their instability and the incompetence of Godoy led to Napoleon seeing them as an easy target when nothing could be farther from the truth.
@@JoshuaPAMployee so did Napoleon, but he never got to the point where a successor was needed to fill his shoes
But Hideyoshi Did it first. Some say he is the Napoleon of Japan it should be the other way round.
Which is cooler and more successful? Exactly.
You know how westerners are, the whole world revolve around them .
One other thing they have in common is being played in upcoming movies by actors who are a couple decades too old (Joaquin Phoenix in Ridley Scott's 'Napoleon', and Takeshi Kitano himself in his new movie 'Kubi')
To be fair, Napoleon did look old for his age.
Napoleon : Why would you compare me to the Eastern Perfidious Albion?
This is an excellent video. Maybe it's just that I'm biased because those are my two favorite eras of history and my favorite style of army composition.
Both also tried and failed to establish their dynasties.
Let me introduce you to Napoleon III
Gekokujo:Napoleonic edition
Warband
I'm still taller than him
- Napoleon probably
Wrong lol Toyotome was a tall guy.
Like him or hate him Napoleon was a massively influential leader whose effects are still felt to this day.
True. His Corp System, Napoleonic Civil Code are the basis of modern administration. Napoleon firstly introduced Corp System which was later imitated by every army in the world. Although Napoleon's Corp System was based on Roman Legion but it was he who modernised this system.
I mean when the entire South America can thank Napoleon for paving a way for their independence, yes the dude is indeed very influential.
And the Metric system. He was the one that made the scientist standardize their measurements and it’s why France controls metrology and the world’s time to this day.
The similarities between the War of 1812 and
the Korean Invasions are genuinely startling!
-Bad supply lines
-Bad weather
-Enemy guerrillas
Gwak Jae-U was the original Denis Davydov!
The most important fact: "both of them called small/tiny/short by their rival😂"
Toyotome was a giant tall man. Oda called him monkey because he had such a long face, while this later, oda, was shorter and chubbier. Ironic isn't it?
@@doya1310we don't really know Hideyoshi's height as there are many contradictory records some claiming he was short and others tall. It's one of many things we cannot confirm about him as we're relying primarily on the words of his contemporaries, some who liked him and some who despised him. The same is true of his nickname (there are at least 3 distinct theories) and the rumor that he had 6 fingers on his right hand. This is just the unfortunate result of rising from obscurity jealous rivals will write different things about him and we can't know for sure what is true and what is hyperbole.
@@doya1310秀吉の身長は実際には140cm程でした。肖像画には彼の理想の君主像がのせられています。肖像画では180cmを超えた巨漢です。
Now that's a fun fact
One reason they suffered disastrous military defeats towards the end of their careers is because careers usually don't survive disastrous defeats lol
He has even more in common with Napoleon Dynamite 🧨😅😂
Also Nader Shah
I visited Hideyoshi's Castle in Osaka about 3 years ago, a beautiful Place
...history might not repeat itself...but sometimes it rhymes...!
I mean yes, Napoleon was a Corsican nobleman. though relatively high regard on his Island because of his father's cozying up to the French after the island was bought by the kingdom of France from the kingdom of Naples. Hidayoshi was a commoner.
Thank you I thought that part of the comparison was a stretch Napoleon had a better start in life than most corsicans.
@@Etom. But he was far poor to be called a nobleman. Napoleon 's father arranged a scholarship for Napoleon at Brienne College and at one instance he was forced to complete two years course in just one year as his younger brother was waiting for Napoleon to graduate so that he could study on Napoleon's scholarship. Napoleon was poor during his initial career and after his father's death due to stomach cancer , responsibility came upon his shoulder to feed his army.
@@VaibhavGupta-hr8vc Being noble doesn't mean you're rich. A lot of the nobility are actually quite poor, which leads to many of them marrying commoner but wealthy girls from merchants families that seek status and connection into the nobility.
The reason for this is simply because the nobility are landlords and so depended on the agricultural productivity of their land for money. If the land is not fertile, then less people would live there, meaning less money from sales of produce and rents from tenants.
That is one of the factors that lead to the Scottish Highland Clearing as the nobles of Scotland switch from farming to sheep and cow ranching which is more profitable due to the lack of soil fertility in the Highlands but having abundant pasture lands.
@@VaibhavGupta-hr8vc no, he was a nobleman and riches kind of have nothing to do with it (feudalism still existed)
Hideyoshi and Napoleon are also similar as they faced naval monster in history who are yi sun shin and Horatio Nelson
Both lost at sea to the two greatest admirals in history
At least Hideyoshi was actually Japanese as far as I know. Napoleon was damn near Italian
Corsicans at that time had their own distinct culture from mainland Italy.
Saying Napoléon was Italian is like saying that george Washington was british.
@@ricomyxledeuxieme1657 I mean he kinda was. As an American
@@samwill7259 When he was born he was a subject of the crown yes, but he created a whole new country just to separate himself and his people from the british empire, that’s why hes known for being a founding father of america, and not a rebellious british général. And besides, Napoléon is born on corsica after it was buyed by France, and before that, corsica was independant, and before that, it was a property of the Genoa. Italy didn’t exist at the time, and even if it did, the corsican would have never want to be a part of it. He was not Italian, not even close.
@@ricomyxledeuxieme1657 “he was not Italian not even close.”
Napoleone Di Buonaparte was his name.
Hideyoshi's last waka (longer version of haiku)
I am the one who fell with the dew. I am the one who vanished with the dew.
Life in Naniwa is like a dream within a dream.
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If there is already Total war : Napoleon. When we will get Total war : Hideyoshi?
How much similar were their military tactics?
From what I know, Hideyoshi excelled in sieging castles and fortified positions by rerouting waterworks and sapping, while Napoleon was famous for his victories in open battles thanks to attacking in quick fashion enemy forces while they were separated. Moreover, Hideyoshi is remembered as an excellent negotiator who managed to win for himself the service of excellent men, while dividing his enemies. Napoleon was very successful in promoting his image as genius and savior of France, but not quite a silver-tongue.
In military context I think Nobunaga is more similar instead
Except that Napoleon actually usurped power from an illegitimate and corrupt government with the support of the people. In his own words "I found the crown of france in the gutter, I drew my sword , picked up and the people placed upon me". While hideyoshi may or may not had a hand in nobunaga's untimely demise. Another point of difference lays in the amount loyalty that they inspired. Hideyoshi while had a few loyal retainers (namely okita hideyie , otani yoshitsugu, Kato kiyomasa and ishida mitsunari) it pales in comparison to Napoleon to the point that Napoleon's return from Elba is the stuff of legends. Finally Napoleon Bonaparte truly defined an age to point that names such us Welington, Blucher, Nelson and kutuzov are only famous because they managed to defeat this force of nature called Napoleon Bonaparte and even then when 19th century warfare is brought up the name of the emperor of the French is usually the first thing that comes to mind. Finally of all the warlords of Japan I think that Nobunaga was actually Japan's equivalent to napoleon with his unremarkable beginning where the deck was stacked against him from the beginning, to his rise to prominence following and unexpected victory, to the chages he brought
Agree
Napoleon was born to noble Italian parents though in Ajaccio Corsica, but I guess your saying his rise to power was by his own merits rather his noble status...
Both are short asf too
Did ge get exiled tho?
Napoleon did not rise through the ranks and he was born part of the coriscan nobility. He attended the royal school for engineering and artillery and basically was given command of the artillery at Toulon because of that training.
You can say they were both great military minds, but napoelon wasnt Davout who actually rose through the ranks.
Lmao, That's still a long way off from being Emperor, so he still had to rise through the ranks.
did hideyoshi reincarnated as napoleon?
I would say he is closer to Octavian
Hate to be that guy, but Napoleon was apart of the lower nobility on the island of Corsica so presenting him as coming from the same type of background as Toyotomi who was a peasant isn’t exactly correct.
May be Hideyoshi Toyotomi was not a simp like Napoleon Bonaparte.😅
What do you mean?
Emperor of the French*
Similiar but also not. While Napoleon take the mantle of "enlightened despot" which was prevelent in Europe at that time, Hideyoshi didn't. Hideyoshi more rigid and less enlightened at his end days.
Yeah but wasn't Napoleon loyal to his wife? Hideyoshi cheated so much Oda wrote him a letter saying he didn't deserve his wife and he would beat him to an inch of his life if he didn't stop.
Napoleon had many mistresses.
@@TheShogunate still better than Hideyoshi.🤣 I know too much about the darker side of Hideyoshi that I have lost all respect for him. Knowledge is a curse sometimes. 😅
La Maestria. Willy.
Calling Napoleon a champion of the Revolution is rich, considering he basically destroyed it. He's just as much an autocrat as Hideyoshi was, and just like the latter, his reforms existed to consolidate his dynasty's power and legitimacy.
Well Napoleon actually implemented revolutionary changes to society whereas Hideyoshi reinforced the status quo.
Also, Napoleon was a member of the upper class and a noble, whereas Hideyoshi was a literal peasant who managed to climb to the top.
Honestly I don't understand the comparison between the twom
@@yoloswaggins7121 I don't give Napoleon much credit for implementing some minimal reforms while killing the spirit of the whole thing with all his other actions.
Would not compare invasion russia and korea. Since invasion of korea was not really disaster with only thing that saved korea was death of Hideoshi with over milion casualities of koreans and chinnese side.
The death of Hideyoshi did not save Korea. The Japanese were soundly defeated both times, and the war was already lost when Hideyoshi died.
It's true that the invasion was nowhere near as disastrous as Napoleon's invasion of Russia, but the Koreans did defeat the Japanese
@@yoloswaggins7121 10 times more losses does not sound like vyctory to me
Both little dudes
Nah chief, i think id compare napoleon more so to nobunaga than hidiyoshi, but certainly i see the parallels here
Always they have to make about Europe. Everything is a copy of them they think.
Oda Nobunaga better tbh
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My takeaway is that if you in modern times somehow rise through the ranks through skill (and popularity), takeover a nation, make reforms and updates, and successfully wage war, you shouldn't try to unify a continent or takeover great powers and instead focus on stabilizing the regions under your control
Who knew?
Napoleon was not the first French emperor, Charlemagne was declared by himself in the year 800 first emperor of the Francs wich territory was covering a big part of France, and gave the name France.
So Napoleon was not the first French emperor
Just semantics
Kind of the same, but 1 had an entire continent under his rule so i beg to differ
True
Want about hokido
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Napoleon beat all world power at the time except britain. Hideyoshi can't beat a single tiny nation. You call that equal? Seriously?
He failed because of the Korean and Chinese navy. And he didn't even use the word equal anywhere in the video.
Julius Cesear>>>Napoleon
@@Heisenberg2974 wrong
Japan is small but powerful I think the world knows that by now
@@igbotimehopper64yearsago46also hideyoshi's underlings were way to selfish. They were competing with each other in taking the most citys and also who could raid the most which is also pretty stupid long term, if they were actually going to occupy the lands. Raiding would only be useful if you are not even gonna use the lands and just use it as a last resort to make it lose value and deplete your enemy while you gain something.
The current Russian Invasion of Ukraine is and will mirror Hideyoshi’s Invasion of Korea.
Your videos are great. I see where James Clavell got his inspirations for the Asian Saga. Have you read his book "Shōgun" ?!
so, you are comparing between a Japanese village king who owns 10000+ 130cm tall halflings with Napoleon, ok~~