Happy for the man who recovered from a fentanyl addiction - that is quite a feat. I hope he keeps his life on track and wish his success and happiness.
@@keithbronson9777You don't want ppl to get better because you want ppl doing "worse" that you can look at to feel better abt yourself. Ppl never compare their selves to ppl doing better than them.
Congrats 🎉🎉🎉. That is a strong man! I got off OxyContin prescribed to me, but I didn’t want to live like a junky. Could not go to the bathroom, etc. 7 years ago was run over by 6,000 pound f150 so now I’m on a small amount of opioid, but I never crave more as I can’t feel it. No pain, no desire for more is perfect.
So many of us started to relieve pain, be it physical or mental pain from injury or abuse. Typically to get clean we need a desire to do the hard work along with support and love. Being forced to abstain too often results in us rebounding to even heavier use. The example guy got his pain relieved which basically negated his prime motivation to use. Personally all I could see in my future was prison or a mental hospital, I chose a third option of a friends family who took me in back in the day when drug detox programs were very rare.
My mother in law just passed way. Doctors act like they couldn’t help her. Money talks I thought bullshit walked. No instead they’d rather help addicts who put them selves in that situation.
@@nattamused9074 yes and what are the tradeoffs? you have a home and a car and whatever else in your life. these people receive care then go back onto the street, get some perspective and stop being so self-centered.
The “bending over” is related to the xylazine that the Fentanyl is cut with. It is used as sedation and anesthesia in large animals like horses and elephants. It enables the animal to be worked on without having to lay them down. The “Fetty Bend” is the result of consuming xylazine.
I know.. everybody seems to know this but these news people and nobody seems to want to bring up the fact that this crap is legally made and handed out by doctors like candy...
The thing that is most unusual is why people don't fall down. They stay on their feet but bent over to such a degree that most people would lose their balance.
I saw a guy on BART doing this and was so sure he would fall when the train accelerated or braked, but he stayed up the whole time from Coliseum to Union City.
@@snotrocketeer5523it's because they're conscious. They're nodded out, they're in a dream like state. They're not asleep or unaware of what's happening around them. I used to think that they were! I would talk about them like they weren't even there, not realizing that they could hear everything and know what's going on around them😂 they like it when they get that far gone. That's the goal of their drug usage, to nod. Sad. I don't understand how they don't suffer strokes constantly from blood pooling.
Hats off to the guy who got clean. 🙏 Keep up the good work. These videos keep me on my own recovery journey. 12yrs come July one day at a time. Its worth the effort to continue on no matter what. Praying for all who struggle.
I’ve got 13 yrs clean off meth and almost 6 yrs off pain pills. It can be done. In my case I had to move down into a holler and cut all ties. Cutting ties with people I genuinely cared about was what hurt the most. It had to be done though. Now I have a beautiful granddaughter and good relationships with my family. No way I’d turn back now. I hope anyone suffering with addiction can get clean.
My husband used the 12 step program to get away from addictions, but over the years...stays busy with healthier "addictions"...lawn care business, then weight lifting...now he's restoring an old Stingray...been living happy and full of life🩵👍
Dude the human body is just bad ass. I've seen people do meth for 30 years and although they look sick they keep going and high all day every day. Dude up the road works on everyone's mowers weed whackers and such is a tweaker from wy back People trust him knowing he's an addict,he does fine work and is a great guy as far as character goes he's just a meth head. I know it's not normal but it's how it is.
Fascinating that the news made this into a story. One thing this story did not cover is that heavy opiate users frequently have severe nerve damage caused by nodding out for lengthy periods. If their body part (usually a limb) is restricted in a certain way, blood flow is cut off, sometimes for 6-12 hours. Humans naturally move all the time, even when asleep, and even if it's just micro-movements. It's enough to keep blood circulating properly. Someone who is essentially nodded out cold will not have those micro-movements. I've seen this most commonly in opiate users who also use benzos. I've seen faces turn black due to tissue death where people were out cold while face-down for too long. It's also a common contributor to the limp that so many street drug users have. Nerves are quick to die and very slow to recover.
Your explanation helped me to understand the "physics" of the debilitation better than other sources I have read, where they mostly say it's not fully understood.
I just don't understand how this is the ONE LIFE they have and this is how they spend it. So sad... Congrats to the young man who overcame his addiction!
I’ve been suffering from bulging discs for 14 years with no promise of relief from my doctors, but this guy, god bless him, gets silicone pads to replace his bad discs? What do I have to do, become a fentanyl addict?
My younger son is a fentanyl addict, was homeless, had decided he would never quit, finally got busted for something, and while in jail decided to go into rehab. He's doing it now. As much as I don't like to criminalize addiction, it seems these kind of addicts don't have much chance until they are forced into sobriety and have a chance to make a reasonable and sober decision.
Finally someone says it. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes that people think these guys are lucid enough to make their own choices. Tough love is needed, they'll thank us later that we took over!
Hi hopefully he can stay off the addictive drugs, tell him I I'm rooting for him , my son died of illicit drug toxicity , too much fentanyl... about April 14th this year... I so hope your son can make it past addiction
@@Barbara-j2p Thank you for your very kind words, and my deep condolences. I mourn for your loss. I will tell my son that, for that's the kind of thing that can hit home.
It probably wont work if he's forced into by a prison. It'd disgusting that you have so little compassion for your son. Drug addiction is a public health issue, not a criminal one. Period.
I'm definitely not a doctor but I am a daily opioid user (Methadone) and although I no longer do fentanyl I have many times and in my experience I believe the answer is a much simpler one. When high on opioids you tend to start to pass out (nod) and that causes the body to bend forward like you've seen in this video. I know in my experience it can be hours, sometimes even a day or 2 bent over in that position and what happens is once you're body/back stays bent over in that position for an extended period of time it becomes very hard to return back to the normal upright position. Basically, the longer you stay bent over in that position, the harder it becomes to stand back upright. I believe it really is that simple... for me it was.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is what's at the bottom of this behavior/condition. People blaming it solely on xylazine are not seeing the whole picture (i.e. haven't done their due diligence in studying the relevant aspects of pharmacology and history of opioid abuse).
So would you say that you are basically unconscious the entire time or only for a short time like a few minutes and the rest of the time you are aware but immobilized?
@@autumnwind2699 I can't speak on this new xylazine stuff (tranq) as I have not done it. Thankfully, I got clean before it was a thing but on Heroin/fentanyl I would usually do one big shot and then essentially be in and out of consciousness literally all day sometimes even a few days because I was also mixing with benzos (Xanax). So imagine being bent over in a standing position for 24 -48 hours and then try standing up straight.
I can't agree. Habituated people need to stay alive long enough to make that choice to accept 'true treatment'. Sadly results of addiction are the great motivator for change. Dead people don't have a choice, so lets help them stay alive. Drugs aren't addictive, people are. The stupid 'drug war' is lost. I speak as a 40+ year D/A Detox and Rehabilitation Registered Nurse and counselor.
@@theChickenstones lol, you said habituated and choice in the same sentence. Logic cannot make that leap. Drug war would be fine if Purdue didn't write medical text books for schools on prescribing opiates. Enabling is not a path to sobriety as decades of AA and recovering addicts will tell you. Enabling is not the answer.
@@dootdoot1867 The 1st says: 'We admitted we were powerless'...., this implies choice. The 12th says: 'carry the message'...., not enforce it. Bill and Dr Bob knew what they were talking about. When Dr Bob was near death he said to Bill, "Don't screw this up Bill, it's a work in progress". It still is. Tell me where logic fits in? I don't blame Doctors, they can get it wrong too. p:s I'm not laughing, 'lol'.
@@theChickenstones admitting you are powerless is admitting you have no choice. It happens regardless as you are powerless to stop it. Your premise is off. By basic logic.
@@dootdoot1867 No choice to keep using, stay sane and survive. One way or another we choose to or are forced to stop. Then the real work starts. 2nd: sought a pathway to willingness. 3rd: We decide to join in. These are all choices to be helped with. The disease is illogical but the ultimate responsibility for continuing change is mine as is my premise.🙏
Alcohol affects more people than opiods, it's not even close. No one should suffer in pain. Opiods are needed for those that suffer from chronic pain. Cancer patients, those that have Fibromyalgia, and other painful ailments.
@@cindyloucuster2188 No and that's because it goes against the ridiculous agenda that is running through this thread. I guarantee that a large percentage of people bitching about the" free first class health care" this guy received, are the same people who resisted the Affordable Health Care Act . Same crowd that resisted get a COVID flu shot.. masks in public.. etc
Trying to quit weed is hard….quitting cigarettes is 20 times harder… quitting meth and coke is even harder…quitting heroin is 200 times harder than cigs…quiting the fent is 10 times harder than heroin! They used to say “speed kills”…it all kills except for the weed!
You realize that they’re not doing it to have a good time, right?.. they’re doing it to the terrible reality that they have to live with. I mean, you know this right you’re not that ignorant.
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First time I ever saw this "lean" phenomenon was at a train station in Southern California in about 2013 I think. A guy in his early 60s, in entirely brand-new clothes, was waiting for a train. The fact that his clothes were all new suggested to me that he might have just been released from the court down the street. He would stand normally, then slowly start to lean over and teeter about. This happened over and over for about 5 minutes. When his train arrived, he was in full-lean mode and as he realized the train was about to close its doors, he "woke up" and lept into the train just as the doors closed -- leaving his backpack on the train platform. His hat also flew off his head. I'll never forget his panicked face as he looked out the window, fruitlessly tapping on the glass for the door to open, at his backpack on the ground as the train rolled away. Probably everything he owned was in that bag...
My husband and I visited San Francisco last year, from NZ. It is the saddest city I have ever been in, and I’ve been in many cities around the world. Fentanyl is destroying families and communities everywhere.
Seattle is getting really bad too. Just got back home to Orlando from Seattle. Homeless “tranq” users on every corner. Quite sad actually. But i suppose if you’re going to be a homeless addict, living somewhere up north where the heat and humidity don’t kill you first is the way to go lol
The folks I know who visited the US (one is south korean, 1 is malaysian, 1 is thai), once back from their trip, started sharing about their trip with : "so many homeless people over there!". I mean a tourist should normally report about their trip as : "nice landscapes", or "nice food", or "friendly people". Things like that.
The man who almost died of treating his pain from severe medical neglect, only to FINALLY receive the life changing care he needed all along fucking BROKE me. These insurance cartels are killing us, cannot imagine how anyone works under them and manages to sleep at night. America is Hell on Earth.
the capacity for delusion amongst the rich is limitless.. most are on the same drugs as the junkies but they're not stuck in the sidewalk getting garbage from creeps on the street, they get their prescriptions from the doctors.
@@robertslugg8361Cotton Candie didn't say they expected doctors to work for free. These are my words: the healthcare industry should not hold our health hostage from us, with the ransom they charge. Healthcare is an extremely lucrative business. The only people that make more money than doctors are very successful business owners, celebrities, and people that already have a lot of money that they are getting a lot of investment returns from. Doctors are paid too much. The result of that is that a lot of people become doctors just because they want the money and prestige, rather than because they actually want to help people. I've been to so many doctors that didn't care to help me figure out what was wrong with me. I had to figure things out on my own. I have all the respect and appreciation for emergency room doctors, that actually save people's lives, and for other doctors who are clearly there to help people and do their jobs, but it seems like many doctors are just there for a paycheck.
Doctors in SF see this all the time and sometime administer specific meds to counteract this bending effect. Anesthesiologists see this with various opioids sometimes. The opioids affect the nerves that cause the abdomen and chest to contract. That’s why the guy interviewed says it hurts as he tried to get upright. We know it destroys the central nervous system already.
Wooden chest syndrome caused by fent Cuasing a tightening of muscles around the lungs Severely restricts breathing It looks absolutely horrible; Im told its horrendous. Has people ODing standing up too I think George Floyd had it by the way he was moving in the full video (before he stopped moving)
If you think it's bad here in the PNW, you should see Kensington in Philly. I've spent 3 months there. They use Tranq and fentanyl. I've never seen the human body contort as I have with people high on that. Saddest thing to see.
I spent a summer in SoMa back in 2018, right across from the Tenderloin, and I don't recall seeing anyone in this condition. I moved to Sacramento at the start of 2024 and I encountered someone in this puzzling condition for the very first time late last night. I'm a big, clean cut guy, been sober since the mid-90s, I don't present like a drug seeker, but since I moved here not a week goes by that I don't get hit up on the street, usually by people looking to score. I am firmly in the camp that people don't stop until they're utterly beaten, but sometimes a "nudge from the judge" is what precipitates that. A mass roundup to a detox camp is a slippery slope, civil liberties wise, but we gotta do something about this.
You can't mass round people up like that. They have to want it. Nobody has ultimate authority over other people's lives. Good for you, you got clean. Not everyone is the same. Some people use it for chronic pain so bad that without it they want to die. This approach is not ok unless someone is stealing or dealing.
82% of Fentanyl/ opiate addicts are working and housed people. It’s not a u use fentanyl your homeless and bent up. Most users in Fact the majority are 30-45 year old male construction workers
It’s smoked in adjacent apartments second hand meth smoke is in all apartments I can smell popcorn in the hallways of my apartments I can tell this is bad
Not true for everyone. Plenty of people fully recover. In fact, a lot of people who struggled with addiction at a young age and recover young, end up sort of growing out of addiction. It happened for me. Got sober 12 years ago and I rarely think about it nowadays, and I never crave it anymore and haven't in years. I think it may be different if you are addicted for several decades though.
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This story is a swing and a miss. If the reporter had researched the affliction in any detail, she would’ve realized she missed a chance to tell that addict that it’s not the fentanyl, rather it’s what they’re cutting it with. that’s making his legs swell and if he keeps using the same product, he’s going to have open sores that are untreatable.
yeah i have done the xylazine dope and regular and while the regular might make ur legs swell a little, that massive swelling is 100% xylazine. being bent over and nodding off while standing is also far more likely to be xylazine than just plain fent dope..... plain fent is kind of bunk, once you have any tolerance to it at all, there's virtually no euphoria, it hardly gets you high feeling..... it displaced the heroin supply because it is so cheap, but it is a far inferior drug
You’re right. It’s the Xylazine (Tranq) that is causing the “bent over” posture on the Fentanyl addicts, which the manufacturers “cut” the Fentanyl with. Videos of Kensington, Philadelphia, the world’s largest open-air drug market, show the homeless addicts “bent over”, as they “nod out”. Almost all of the Fentanyl addicts there, when high, end up exhibiting that compromised posture until the high “wears off”, or until they fall to the ground and fall asleep for a period of time. The Xylazine also is extremely harmful to the human body, and can cause all kinds of open wounds that could get infected if not treated in a timely manner. It is not a drug meant to be consumed by humans (like Fentanyl is), so the deleterious effects of Xylazine on humans can be horrific (like untreated open wounds that get so infected, the only way to prevent the infection from spreading throughout the body (which could then lead to death), is to amputate the limb that the infection has taken hold of. Scary stuff. Xylazine is prescribed as a sedative for veterinary use for horses and cattle.
@@filthforce, so true.Heroin is a much safer and far more effective opioid when it comes to pain management. So many people are dying now thanks to prohibition.
This is news.... I'll leave my apartment in Philly and walk past a keeled over zombie and they'll literally still be there three hours later after I've dropped off work, grabbed breakfast, and run a few other errands. They say its from an animal sedative that I believe starts with a Z and not the Fentanyl but who really knows. The only thing certain is that this misery is condoned, encouraged, and it strikes me as if they're being sacrificed as if in a satanic manner. The painkiller pills to dope pipeline is long gone and people are still succumbing to this hell. It makes no sense.
You will also see them point their feet inward so they can lock their knees against each other. This makes the joint resist bending and adds support as they nod out.
Lost a cousin this week to fentanyl. My family has a history of back pain, I was able to help my sister get a disc replacement. My sister got her disc replacement at 26. She would have eventually gone paralyzed. It is a shame our parents are against Universal Healthcare but it would be a step to fighting the drug crisis.
Universal Healthcare is a very bad idea, because the US government can't do anything correctly. Just look at what's happening to social security. After the US government permanently fixes its existing problems then the country can consider giving the US government more responsibilities. The same reason why you don't give more money to a financial advisor who's already doing terrible with the first batch of money you provided.
They are. It's like when you're driving and really sleepy and fighting to keep your eyelids open. You're not fully asleep, but you're not fully conscious either. You're numbed out but still more awake than asleep to where it's just more comfy to sorta laze out and dangle. It's just what opiates do at the right dosage - and if you have a tolerance from using them then you're able to go deeper without fully nodding out and going unconscious, and it results in this sorta behavior where it's like you're trying to stay awake but it feels comfy just relaxing "a bit" instead.
My fentanyl addiction was a little different. I had been in pain management since back surgery in 2002. I was already hooked on Vicodin and Percocet, and in 2006 they added fentanyl patches. Different doses, it’s supposed to give the medicine over a 3 day period. Wasn’t long before I had the high milligram dose and wasn’t long until I just started chewing them to get 3 days worth in a few hours. Wasn’t long before I rolled my truck down an embankment either. I was in bad shape,5 weeks in a hospital and 4 weeks of physical therapy,but I turned my life around after that. That was in 2012, but I remember people telling me what I did,how I looked paralyzed,like a bent over wax figure. You don’t know and wouldn’t care what it looks like. You never know what’s in that street stuff. That guys legs are going to get much worse,possibly amputated.
This story went from asking the question, "why are fentanyl users bent over?" to "here is an uplifting story about a guy who used fentanyl that has a completely unrelated back injury that was healed through surgery." What?
I thought they said that more research needs to be done but they believe it has something to do with veins collapsing as the result of the side effects of Fentanyl. Perhaps I do not understand what you are saying and I am wrong. Either way, stay safe folks.
You paid insufficient attention. Fentanyl exacerbated his back condition to the point that it became infected. That's why he had the surgery. Then the mere fact of hospital isolation was his avenue to lasting abstinence. It's an illustration about the possibilities of recovery.
I've been on crutches for 3 years now with a herniated disc compressing a nerve that affects my left leg which doesn't really work because of it. Doctors want me to lose weight before they do surgery. How can I lose weight if I'm in pain every day, can't walk unassisted, can't stand for more than a few minutes? Maybe I should do drugs too. Physical therapy doesn't help. Injections doesn't help. I wish I could get that disc implant he got. Do you have to do drugs to get help now a days?
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@supinelemon yeah I've lost about 30 pounds so far. All I can do is change my diet. I personally don't think losing weight will help at all though. I'll need surgery. Because I've herniated the same disc several times over the years. This time it just stuck. Heavy lifting. Some of it is probably my own fault because I did love heavy lifting in the gym, but also because all the jobs I had required heavy manual labor. I didn't mind it, but it took its toll over the years. And the 13 years of military service didn't help either. Medically retired now. Started gaining weight after.
@cxg174 yeah Wegovy definitely helps. I'm taking it along with changing my diet. Game changer for sure. I hope your husband is able to lose weight with it too. It seems to be standard protocol to tell people to lose weight, but something needs to give to at least allow us to be able to move. High levels of pain will stop anyone. It's debilitating.
And isn't that wonderful that this man now has his life together and can afford to travel to Europe!! It just shows how far a person can quickly cone in life when they try hard.
today is the 20th of the month and i am broke. need $200.USD just to buy gas to go see my mom during the next couple of weeks. that is not even a tank and a half. only one tv dinner and a package of sausages in the freezer. less than a loaf of bread. couple cans of corn. not even milk for to use on the 1/2 box of dry cereal..
I have used it for chronic pain and if you use a therapeutic amount it doesn’t affect you like that at all. You are as able to go about your life like anyone else. I didn’t stay on it bc the health insurance would only allow me so many days a week and the patches would wear off before I could put a new one on and that just wasn’t as effective as taking other medications by mouth. I’ve been on pain meds for decades and i don’t have any issues. They treat my pain from a multitude of issues with my spine and rheumatoid arthritis as well. I’ll always be on pain meds and I just thank God that they’re available to me
My fentanyl wears off too quickly as well. But my palliative care Dr realizes that this happens to some people and lets me put a new patch on every two days instead of every three days so it works for me. But fentanyl alone isn’t enough for my pain, I have to take dilauded and tramadol with it along with muscle relaxers, etc.
None of my business, here’s the ‘but’, are you going to truly say that you haven’t ran out of your prescription medication early? While your pain meds are needed, your physical body can’t help becoming addicted after daily use for so long. Then there is the mental addiction. That comes from that big sigh of relief after the opioids break down, or simply put after that ‘rush’. That’s when it becomes a physical & mental addiction. Causing it to be very hard too overcome.
They chose to do drugs, and the politicians don't make it any better by enabling their addiction by giving them free needles and other paraphernalia to do their drugs. You should feel sorry for the people who have to pay taxes towards all of this while living in the Bay area where it's already hard to make a living.
@@notanindianscammer7594the only time someone is the victim of the the drug crisis is if they were forced to become addicts. If someone made the choice to start doing drugs then they are not a victim. I chose to start smoking cigarettes. I am an addict by definition. I am not a victim since it was my choice to start smoking. 99% of drug addicts chose to start doing drugs. Telling drug addicts they are victims only serves to give them an excuse for their actions which removes the responsibility. A victim couldn't have stopped what happened to them which is not the case with drugs.
the man who recovered - you look healthy and happy. I can't imagine being an addict but I know it was not easy. You were blessed with a 2nd chance and it shows you are grateful. You are an inspiration for those whom are still in the trenches.
I just want to thank you for the respectful way you conducted this news story. Often addicts are demeaned but I don't feel you did that at all. Props and respect
Yup. They never mention that. Also xylazine. Funny. Now we have ppl screaming and crying coming out of surgery bc they’re given medical grade fentanyl but they don’t know the difference bc the media doesn’t give a flying shit about us.
You do realize there is absolutely no way to "close" the border? It does not have a gate. There cannot be continuous fencing put up. Fentanyl doesn't just come in through the southern border. It is mailed in, shipped in, brought in by plane, by boat, etc.
You should see it in Portland. It’s now been in front of my sister’s apartment building in what used to be a lovely part of the city. She is terrified to go to the grocery store across the street. I feel deeply for the addicts and the police are trying their best, but sometimes people do get violent, mix it with meth, etc. it is very frightening.
Meth is insane. I had to stop using it not for me but for everybody encountered lol..made me psychopathic, no joke. Violent as HELL for absolutely no resaon whatsoever...mild psychosis i guess. The inner world takes over and it produces rage.
Thanks for reporting on this. Was in downtown SF this week and it’s so sad. Talked to one kid outta his mind…gave him the rest of a 1/2 liter water bottle, he was so grateful it was💔 IDK the solution but there has to be One🙏💪❤️✨🌎
you want to know something crazy.... if they opened heroin maintenance clinics and gave free, medical grade heroin for addicts to inject under supervision 2-3 times a day (as some other countries have done), it'd eliminate most of the problems. and it's truly not even expensive, especially when you consider all the crime that stops happening, because people no longer need to make up any money to stay high
@@jjsmama401 it’s a tragedy that it’s being made in Mexico and finding it’s way to nominally the USA and now Europe . People are taking lesser drugs that unbeknownst to them are laced ! It’s definitely a tragedy for the world !
I can't imagine living somewhere and having my two young daughters see this happening around where they live. The fact that people are tolerating others self-destructing right in front of them is insane.
People self destruct all the time whether publicly or privately. Not much you can do about that unless the person themselves wants help. Also guaranteed they’ve seen worse on the internet if they have access
what do you mean "accepted," that it's not so extreme that we dont kill on site? i dont get what you;re failing to understand, it sounds like you view the world like a child might
@@whita-db9zw there's no way to stop it that wouldn't be completely unacceptable. and they are only hurting themselves, at least by default, why care so much? people act like the fact that problems might not have a good solution as the rest of the world is making it happen and only they see the truth.
I'm very happy for the man who was able to get clean, but realize that he was only in that position in the first place because American healthcare is so abysmally bad that he was forced to turn to fentanyl instead of receiving the treatment that he needed. Once he got his back fixed, he was able to turn everything around. If we actually cared about healthcare in this country, there would be so many people that don't have to resort to forming addictions to dangerous drugs.
I've lived downtown among addicts my whole life. Nothing every bothered me. The bent-over zombies..they bother me. They don't abide by the law of gravity!! It just doesn't make sense to me from a physics or a human perspective.
? The exact opposite is happening if they are leaning down like this. It’s the exact definition of gravity. If anything standing up straight is less “abiding” by gravity
My brother, I’m so proud of you. It’s midnight after midnight right now in Texas and I’m watching this video I had knee surgery. I’m so proud of you man. It literally brought tears to my eyes to see this. I understand your pain Met I was not a fentanyl individual I was before all that, but what he says is correct your life has been that’s what you live for tear to my eyes and not tear tears plural more than one when I heard him say that I’ve been over that hump for two years nine months now of the 15th of this month nine months two years and he’s right he looks so different and I guess I saw it in his eyes that he is a recovered individual once again. I’m so proud of you, brother. I’m so so grateful that you made it back and he’s right not many of us make it back whether it’s fentanyl or some other type of debilitating use of drug whatever that might be for me. It was something else but it’s still addiction and I suffered so many years so many not being able to escape and wanting to escape there’s a difference between not knowing there’s a problem not believing there’s a problem and wanting to escape, but can’t there’s a huge difference in all of that. Yes you’re still in the insanity but at least you want to get out the first two man they’re brutal because denial is not a river in Egypt number one and number two not thinking that there is a problem, the problem but nobody can could’ve told me there was a problem. I was darn sure I had to see it almost took me almost losing that what I loved most and that was my dad that last relapse was two years nine months and two days or three days I believe now I think today is the 18th once again, I’m so proud of you brother so so proud of you and it took an emergency to get you there and that’s what they say. It’s gonna take one or 231-0103 medical death death one of those three men because even incarceration will not stop you, I’ve heard stories of people being incarcerated for decades coming out and the first thing they did was do drugs. I’m just saying so. It’s not where you’re at. It’s the attitude that has side one heart go to any link to stop this.
It seems odd to me that "the medical community is trying to understand what fentanyl actually does to the human body" ( 0:04 ) when it's used in hospital operating rooms everyday.
Most addicts I know want to be clean. Those in active addiction have to hit rock bottom and decide for themselves that they want to be free of this horrific drug. Hopefully they live through long enough to seek help. The recovering addicts that I personally know are some if the best people that I have ever known because they have gotten a second second chance at a clean life. I know the hard way. Thank God it wasn't fentanol however is was something close, I was addicted to Oxycontin. It is literally miracle that I got to see my oldest granddaughter graduate a couple of years ago and my oldest grandson earlier tonight. I am truly blessed. Sorry I did not mean to preach a semon. Just thought I would share a little bit of my observations having been there myself. Stay safe.
Nobody has ever been forced clean. Forcing them to be abstinent itself does nothing. People with addictions who go to prison or get detoxed will start using the minute they get clear of that.
@@kenofken9458 Because prisons dont exist to rehabilitate. Prisons need to start providing extensive rehabilitation programs as they force them to get clean
@kenofken9458 Not all... Some get clean and some reuse... Some die when reusing because they were clean and over dose.... many more die without treatment. We have to try and save those we can..... 😢
@@kenofken9458 Just because you've had buddies that got out of jail and began using again right away, doesn't mean many do not. The durability of addictions is highly mythologized, largely because the narrative is dominated by addiction workers who by definition work with the hardest and most hopeless cases. 'Journalists' pitch in with a huge assist because they're dependent on drama and the depiction of awful occurrences. (So dependent that they're _addicted to them,_ it could be said with considerable justification.) Meanwhile the large majority of drug addicts quietly disappear from their respective drug scenes and restart their lives. Their recovery goes unnoticed and generally uncounted in statistics. No one ever strikes them off any database of users, because none is kept. But nearly every overdose death is counted.
This is very educational. We do need to force people into drug treatment. It worked for this man, and it would work for a lot of people. Great reporting, and exceptional delivery by Lyanne. She speaks clearly and well. So many reporters today can barely speak English!
If you force someone into drug rehab, they will be out and on it again before you can say 'peep'. Just as with alcs. They have to WANT to stay sober. There is truth in this: >> The goal isn't to be sober. The goal is to love yourself so much that you don't need to do drugs or drink. Most of the drug users neither want help nor be sober. Because it would mean that they might have to get up every morning, clean up, and 😱 perhaps have to work for a living. Prove me wrong. Our city has an abundance of homeless drug users. Many of them get picked up by bylaw officers and put in a shelter. And a big percentage get evicted almost instantly because they DON'T WANT TO OBEY TO ANY RULES, are aggressive, combative, and the only thing they want is to be on the road, steal, B&E, and get money for drugs and booze.
It doesn't work for everyone. I know someone who was forced into treatment twice due to medical issues. Due to both chronic pain and untreatable mental illness (despite seeing a psychiatrist regularly) they cannot stay clean. Until chronic pain clinics start treating ex-fentanyl users that live with chronic pain, there is no help for people in this category. When you have a condition that regularly has you in so much pain that you become nauseous from the pain, there is nothing that can be done other than give safer narcotics or offer MAID.
I agree. Organizations and non-profits go out each week begging them to seek assistance and leave the streets, yet they decline. How can city leaders address the issue when they refuse help!? The answer is clear: they need to be forced off the streets. This is the only viable solution. If they are unwilling to accept free help and get off the streets, there is no alternative but to force them or this problem will just become worse and worse!
@@k.elysium6819 medication assisted treatment is a good option for people with chronic pain who struggle with opioid addiction. Methadone is an extremely powerful painkiller and is often used in treating people solely with chronic pain. The doses of methadone used in MAT are typically much higher than doses used solely for chronic pain. And the patient gets more control of their dose in MAT, so they should be able to get to an effective dose to properly treat their pain. I had to go thru MAT to get effective pain management. I'm not alone in that. One of my counselors said they estimate about half of the patients at the average methadone clinic are covert chronic pain patients, or, people with chronic pain and opioid use disorder. It's way more common than you'd think.
Happy for the man who recovered from a fentanyl addiction - that is quite a feat. I hope he keeps his life on track and wish his success and happiness.
Seriously thats like 10% of people.
What's sad is it will never go away fully. recovered addicts are always potentially just a crisis away from going back to square one.
@@keithbronson9777You don't want ppl to get better because you want ppl doing "worse" that you can look at to feel better abt yourself. Ppl never compare their selves to ppl doing better than them.
@@keithbronson9777 - No. But it does take work and support from people around you.
Congrats 🎉🎉🎉. That is a strong man! I got off OxyContin prescribed to me, but I didn’t want to live like a junky. Could not go to the bathroom, etc. 7 years ago was run over by 6,000 pound f150 so now I’m on a small amount of opioid, but I never crave more as I can’t feel it. No pain, no desire for more is perfect.
Thank you for including a success story of someone that got off of drugs.
..exactly, there is always a way to get clean..thank you for your comment
So many of us started to relieve pain, be it physical or mental pain from injury or abuse. Typically to get clean we need a desire to do the hard work along with support and love. Being forced to abstain too often results in us rebounding to even heavier use. The example guy got his pain relieved which basically negated his prime motivation to use. Personally all I could see in my future was prison or a mental hospital, I chose a third option of a friends family who took me in back in the day when drug detox programs were very rare.
One in a million
@@victormusic01x
People who get clean never stay clean
How did he go from being on the streets, an addict to hiking across Spain? that's quite a leap....Where'd the money come from? odd....
Big props to the men that overcame addiction. You are a hero.
congrats to the dude who got clean!! You are awesome
Just stopped being a narcissist.
@@ohsweetmysterywtf does that mean? Heartless POS.
@@ohsweetmystery Congratulations. How long were you a narcissist?
@@ohsweetmysteryWhat are you on about?
Well it was get clean or become a stat
Had to become a homeless addict in order to receive quality medical service - now that's a headliner.
Works this way for veterans with housing lol I had to become homeless for them to even begin to help me. lol a list of veterans were on drugs.
ain't that something! and here we are with health insurance getting a bill for a chest xray
My mother in law just passed way. Doctors act like they couldn’t help her. Money talks I thought bullshit walked. No instead they’d rather help addicts who put them selves in that situation.
It’s a shame that the taxpayers typically cannot afford medical treatment like this, while welfare recipients can.
@@nattamused9074 yes and what are the tradeoffs? you have a home and a car and whatever else in your life. these people receive care then go back onto the street, get some perspective and stop being so self-centered.
The “bending over” is related to the xylazine that the Fentanyl is cut with. It is used as sedation and anesthesia in large animals like horses and elephants. It enables the animal to be worked on without having to lay them down. The “Fetty Bend” is the result of consuming xylazine.
Ya. This reporting is clueless.
facts!!
Looks painful 😟
is that tranq?
Yes @@gypsyroze
The dope fiend lean. Ain't new.
I know.. everybody seems to know this but these news people and nobody seems to want to bring up the fact that this crap is legally made and handed out by doctors like candy...
This has been going on for decades now they act like it's something new.
True
@@Hippitidippity. Doctors don’t prescribe fentanyl. It’s an anesthetic used in the OR to put patients to sleep.
Lol 😂right
The thing that is most unusual is why people don't fall down. They stay on their feet but bent over to such a degree that most people would lose their balance.
They're expert gymnasts
@@petergriffin383😂
I saw a guy on BART doing this and was so sure he would fall when the train accelerated or braked, but he stayed up the whole time from Coliseum to Union City.
The comedian David Cross had a hilarious bit on exactly what you're talking about! It was on one of his early albums
@@snotrocketeer5523it's because they're conscious. They're nodded out, they're in a dream like state. They're not asleep or unaware of what's happening around them. I used to think that they were! I would talk about them like they weren't even there, not realizing that they could hear everything and know what's going on around them😂 they like it when they get that far gone. That's the goal of their drug usage, to nod. Sad. I don't understand how they don't suffer strokes constantly from blood pooling.
Love that they included someone getting better and showing a healthy life is possible
Hats off to the guy who got clean. 🙏 Keep up the good work. These videos keep me on my own recovery journey. 12yrs come July one day at a time. Its worth the effort to continue on no matter what. Praying for all who struggle.
I got 10 Years ❤️🩹 we can recover
Congratulations to you both. 👏
It's easier to stay sober than to get sober.
I’ve got 13 yrs clean off meth and almost 6 yrs off pain pills. It can be done. In my case I had to move down into a holler and cut all ties. Cutting ties with people I genuinely cared about was what hurt the most. It had to be done though. Now I have a beautiful granddaughter and good relationships with my family. No way I’d turn back now. I hope anyone suffering with addiction can get clean.
@@jlspindler that is the truth. I'm not sure I'd survive getting clean again.
I’m a substance abuse nurse. Some of that is also probably xylazine in the fentanyl
Exactly... Thank you for the work you do
No...not in sanfran...
My husband used the 12 step program to get away from addictions, but over the years...stays busy with healthier "addictions"...lawn care business, then weight lifting...now he's restoring an old Stingray...been living happy and full of life🩵👍
That's what I thought it was the xylazine that made people this way.
It's there now. @@Sstteeiinnbbaacchh
Bravo to the man who over came his addiction and refused to be a victim anymore.
Long term impacts? They won't live long enough to worry about that.
You be surprised.
well I hope not at least. They will never be productive members of society.@@karencarpenter5845
Dude the human body is just bad ass.
I've seen people do meth for 30 years and although they look sick they keep going and high all day every day.
Dude up the road works on everyone's mowers weed whackers and such is a tweaker from wy back
People trust him knowing he's an addict,he does fine work and is a great guy as far as character goes he's just a meth head.
I know it's not normal but it's how it is.
@@howlinwulf go look up average age of death of someone who uses heroin or meth
@@howlinwulf Meth is horrible stuff no doubt.
Unlike fentanyl though, a half milligram overdose won't kill them.
Fascinating that the news made this into a story. One thing this story did not cover is that heavy opiate users frequently have severe nerve damage caused by nodding out for lengthy periods. If their body part (usually a limb) is restricted in a certain way, blood flow is cut off, sometimes for 6-12 hours. Humans naturally move all the time, even when asleep, and even if it's just micro-movements. It's enough to keep blood circulating properly. Someone who is essentially nodded out cold will not have those micro-movements. I've seen this most commonly in opiate users who also use benzos. I've seen faces turn black due to tissue death where people were out cold while face-down for too long. It's also a common contributor to the limp that so many street drug users have. Nerves are quick to die and very slow to recover.
Yep, I know of a guy who lost his arm, passed out in a drug house.
Your explanation helped me to understand the "physics" of the debilitation better than other sources I have read, where they mostly say it's not fully understood.
I just don't understand how this is the ONE LIFE they have and this is how they spend it. So sad...
Congrats to the young man who overcame his addiction!
It’s amazing how they can lean and wobble so much and not fall over.
you mean like , weeble wobbles ?
@@rob-robi fetty, fetty, f-f-f-fetty!
Don't worry, they do fall over.
That’s true! Couldn’t do that on alcohol!
They do
I’ve been suffering from bulging discs for 14 years with no promise of relief from my doctors, but this guy, god bless him, gets silicone pads to replace his bad discs?
What do I have to do, become a fentanyl addict?
yes
Exactly 😠
Kratom... look into it for chronic pain. If you want to feel better from a natural leaf trust me I wouldn't steer you wrong
All the likes says I'm right...
They have extracts and you may heed to try ut a few times and try a little higher dose each time to find the sweet spot. It helps my disks
I wish the best for that guy.
Thanks for shining a compassionate light on this matter.
Same happens with people on high on Heroin. They lean at impossible angles without falling over.
What is more amazing to me is they bend over in crazy ways and never fall over.
My younger son is a fentanyl addict, was homeless, had decided he would never quit, finally got busted for something, and while in jail decided to go into rehab. He's doing it now. As much as I don't like to criminalize addiction, it seems these kind of addicts don't have much chance until they are forced into sobriety and have a chance to make a reasonable and sober decision.
Finally someone says it. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes that people think these guys are lucid enough to make their own choices. Tough love is needed, they'll thank us later that we took over!
look into ultrasound treatment. I learned about in on a major news outlet. It's very effective and works right away.
Hi hopefully he can stay off the addictive drugs, tell him I
I'm rooting for him , my son died of illicit drug toxicity , too much fentanyl... about April 14th this year... I so hope your son can make it past addiction
@@Barbara-j2p Thank you for your very kind words, and my deep condolences. I mourn for your loss. I will tell my son that, for that's the kind of thing that can hit home.
It probably wont work if he's forced into by a prison. It'd disgusting that you have so little compassion for your son. Drug addiction is a public health issue, not a criminal one. Period.
I'm definitely not a doctor but I am a daily opioid user (Methadone) and although I no longer do fentanyl I have many times and in my experience I believe the answer is a much simpler one. When high on opioids you tend to start to pass out (nod) and that causes the body to bend forward like you've seen in this video. I know in my experience it can be hours, sometimes even a day or 2 bent over in that position and what happens is once you're body/back stays bent over in that position for an extended period of time it becomes very hard to return back to the normal upright position. Basically, the longer you stay bent over in that position, the harder it becomes to stand back upright. I believe it really is that simple... for me it was.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is what's at the bottom of this behavior/condition.
People blaming it solely on xylazine are not seeing the whole picture (i.e. haven't done their due diligence in studying the relevant aspects of pharmacology and history of opioid abuse).
So would you say that you are basically unconscious the entire time or only for a short time like a few minutes and the rest of the time you are aware but immobilized?
@@autumnwind2699 I can't speak on this new xylazine stuff (tranq) as I have not done it. Thankfully, I got clean before it was a thing but on Heroin/fentanyl I would usually do one big shot and then essentially be in and out of consciousness literally all day sometimes even a few days because I was also mixing with benzos (Xanax). So imagine being bent over in a standing position for 24 -48 hours and then try standing up straight.
The narcotic nod.
Agree!
Thx for having the courage to air this.
Nice to see a survivor…my son overcame fentanyl 20 years ago, thank God, but has lost many friends to addiction.
Ooh thought fentanyl was a new drug
Don't thank god, thank the humans that helped him, or blame god for hooking him in the first place.
@@morbidmanmusic be hinest, admit your sins, seek Gods forgiveness. Don’t blame God for your actions
Fent been around for many years was actually used in surgery's etc
Had no idea it’s been around that long.
True treatment is a path to sobriety. Not clean supply.
I can't agree. Habituated people need to stay alive long enough to make that choice to accept 'true treatment'. Sadly results of addiction are the great motivator for change.
Dead people don't have a choice, so lets help them stay alive.
Drugs aren't addictive, people are. The stupid 'drug war' is lost.
I speak as a 40+ year D/A Detox and Rehabilitation Registered Nurse and counselor.
@@theChickenstones lol, you said habituated and choice in the same sentence. Logic cannot make that leap. Drug war would be fine if Purdue didn't write medical text books for schools on prescribing opiates. Enabling is not a path to sobriety as decades of AA and recovering addicts will tell you. Enabling is not the answer.
@@dootdoot1867 The 1st says: 'We admitted we were powerless'...., this implies choice. The 12th says: 'carry the message'...., not enforce it. Bill and Dr Bob knew what they were talking about. When Dr Bob was near death he said to Bill, "Don't screw this up Bill, it's a work in progress". It still is.
Tell me where logic fits in?
I don't blame Doctors, they can get it wrong too.
p:s I'm not laughing, 'lol'.
@@theChickenstones admitting you are powerless is admitting you have no choice. It happens regardless as you are powerless to stop it. Your premise is off. By basic logic.
@@dootdoot1867 No choice to keep using, stay sane and survive. One way or another we choose to or are forced to stop.
Then the real work starts.
2nd: sought a pathway to willingness.
3rd: We decide to join in.
These are all choices to be helped with.
The disease is illogical but the ultimate responsibility for continuing change is mine as is my premise.🙏
Society needs to come to grips with helping those who aren’t in the right state of mind to ask for help.
Why isn’t this drug considered a bio weapon?
Because fentanyl, and all the other opiates of abuse, create a permanent dependent class, which is the " raison d'etre " of the liberal elite.
Supported by democrats and the need to keep the southern border open.
It is a bioweapon.
Because the cartels own our politicians and they’re all making a ton of money. Why you think they opened the border on day 1?
Alcohol affects more people than opiods, it's not even close. No one should suffer in pain. Opiods are needed for those that suffer from chronic pain. Cancer patients, those that have Fibromyalgia, and other painful ailments.
Are we not gonna talk about the fact that chronic pain is what drove that guy to Fentanyl addiction?
Did me too 😪
@@cindyloucuster2188 No and that's because it goes against the ridiculous agenda that is running through this thread. I guarantee that a large percentage of people bitching about the" free first class health care" this guy received, are the same people who resisted the Affordable Health Care Act . Same crowd that resisted get a COVID flu shot.. masks in public.. etc
I was under the impression that this was an effect from the drug being cut with tranquilizer
@@namijnebruhtra7683 fentanyl itself is already used in surgery for pain.
HOW IT STARTS FOR MANY. PAIN PILLS THEN DOPE. WHAT BUBBLE DO YOU LIVE IN?
Trying to quit weed is hard….quitting cigarettes is 20 times harder… quitting meth and coke is even harder…quitting heroin is 200 times harder than cigs…quiting the fent is 10 times harder than heroin! They used to say “speed kills”…it all kills except for the weed!
You can’t stand up, your legs swell like balloons, your back deteriorates (sounds like a wonderful time)
You realize that they’re not doing it to have a good time, right?.. they’re doing it to the terrible reality that they have to live with. I mean, you know this right you’re not that ignorant.
I’m more fascinated by the fact they don’t fall over.
Ergo court ordered detox or voluntary detox, seems to be the cure. Then housing then a job.
Interesting how suicide prevention is widespread yet we tolerate public widespread drug addiction
I find it amusing all the no-smoking bullshit..we can't even smoke in bars/clubs anymore..but drugs in the playground that kill, no problem.
*Illegal drugs...
most of the county are hooked on legal drugs, so its normalised.
Say no to drugs !
Dumb comment Nancy!
Forget you
That's what Nancy Reagan said in 1980, we're still laughing !
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Say ‘Yes’ to the good ones though
Well done sir. Also good report. 🇬🇷🌿
First time I ever saw this "lean" phenomenon was at a train station in Southern California in about 2013 I think. A guy in his early 60s, in entirely brand-new clothes, was waiting for a train. The fact that his clothes were all new suggested to me that he might have just been released from the court down the street. He would stand normally, then slowly start to lean over and teeter about. This happened over and over for about 5 minutes. When his train arrived, he was in full-lean mode and as he realized the train was about to close its doors, he "woke up" and lept into the train just as the doors closed -- leaving his backpack on the train platform. His hat also flew off his head. I'll never forget his panicked face as he looked out the window, fruitlessly tapping on the glass for the door to open, at his backpack on the ground as the train rolled away. Probably everything he owned was in that bag...
Or he shoplifted those new clothes or robbed someone for them.
Probably had more fentanyl in that bag.
Got to be tripping to forget your drugs. 😂 Interesting story, thanks!
My husband and I visited San Francisco last year, from NZ. It is the saddest city I have ever been in, and I’ve been in many cities around the world. Fentanyl is destroying families and communities everywhere.
Philadelphia, PA is arguably worse.
They why visit? SF has been like this for years
Seattle is getting really bad too. Just got back home to Orlando from Seattle. Homeless “tranq” users on every corner. Quite sad actually. But i suppose if you’re going to be a homeless addict, living somewhere up north where the heat and humidity don’t kill you first is the way to go lol
The folks I know who visited the US (one is south korean, 1 is malaysian, 1 is thai), once back from their trip, started sharing about their trip with : "so many homeless people over there!". I mean a tourist should normally report about their trip as : "nice landscapes", or "nice food", or "friendly people". Things like that.
Sooo please do not blame other countries for the addiction problems of the United States. Addiction is a choice.
What was the name of that trail he hiked? This was interesting!
The man who almost died of treating his pain from severe medical neglect, only to FINALLY receive the life changing care he needed all along fucking BROKE me. These insurance cartels are killing us, cannot imagine how anyone works under them and manages to sleep at night. America is Hell on Earth.
Ooh, Insurance Cartel. Can I borrow that?
the capacity for delusion amongst the rich is limitless.. most are on the same drugs as the junkies but they're not stuck in the sidewalk getting garbage from creeps on the street, they get their prescriptions from the doctors.
Why do you expect doctors to work for free?
@@robertslugg8361Cotton Candie didn't say they expected doctors to work for free. These are my words: the healthcare industry should not hold our health hostage from us, with the ransom they charge. Healthcare is an extremely lucrative business. The only people that make more money than doctors are very successful business owners, celebrities, and people that already have a lot of money that they are getting a lot of investment returns from. Doctors are paid too much. The result of that is that a lot of people become doctors just because they want the money and prestige, rather than because they actually want to help people. I've been to so many doctors that didn't care to help me figure out what was wrong with me. I had to figure things out on my own. I have all the respect and appreciation for emergency room doctors, that actually save people's lives, and for other doctors who are clearly there to help people and do their jobs, but it seems like many doctors are just there for a paycheck.
@@robertslugg8361 My brother in Christ, Do you think doctors in nations with affordable healthcare work for free?
Doctors in SF see this all the time and sometime administer specific meds to counteract this bending effect. Anesthesiologists see this with various opioids sometimes. The opioids affect the nerves that cause the abdomen and chest to contract. That’s why the guy interviewed says it hurts as he tried to get upright. We know it destroys the central nervous system already.
Thanks for that info; very interesting!!!🤯🤩
Wooden chest syndrome caused by fent
Cuasing a tightening of muscles around the lungs
Severely restricts breathing
It looks absolutely horrible; Im told its horrendous.
Has people ODing standing up too
I think George Floyd had it by the way he was moving in the full video (before he stopped moving)
Try not thinking @@RobotNannyDiaries
he’s hungry
Where do you get your knowledge about the central nervous system?
What his income?
We travelled to the northwest and saw these folded over people wandering everywhere. Very disturbing to see so many people like this.
they do make great door stops.....you think?
Yup, it’s a sh*tshow out here in the PNW. I wish I could move.
If you think it's bad here in the PNW, you should see Kensington in Philly. I've spent 3 months there. They use Tranq and fentanyl. I've never seen the human body contort as I have with people high on that. Saddest thing to see.
Oh my goodness, it does sound like that would be very disturbing to see. I’ve never seen or heard of it! (I’m in Los Angeles)
It’s so ominous like a zombie apocalypse when they are asleep or dormant 😢
I spent a summer in SoMa back in 2018, right across from the Tenderloin, and I don't recall seeing anyone in this condition. I moved to Sacramento at the start of 2024 and I encountered someone in this puzzling condition for the very first time late last night. I'm a big, clean cut guy, been sober since the mid-90s, I don't present like a drug seeker, but since I moved here not a week goes by that I don't get hit up on the street, usually by people looking to score. I am firmly in the camp that people don't stop until they're utterly beaten, but sometimes a "nudge from the judge" is what precipitates that. A mass roundup to a detox camp is a slippery slope, civil liberties wise, but we gotta do something about this.
God bless your sober existence. Sacramento can be a deadly place.
Putting people who don't want to get clean in detox doesn't do anything for anyone. That's why the success rates of drug court programs are abysmal 🙄
You can't mass round people up like that. They have to want it. Nobody has ultimate authority over other people's lives. Good for you, you got clean. Not everyone is the same. Some people use it for chronic pain so bad that without it they want to die. This approach is not ok unless someone is stealing or dealing.
82% of Fentanyl/ opiate addicts are working and housed people. It’s not a u use fentanyl your homeless and bent up. Most users in Fact the majority are 30-45 year old male construction workers
Who is letting in the drug ? That's where you start.
Could have done that back surgery before he got addicted
It may not have been available at that time.
It makes my day to see that Mr. Campofreda has been able to turn his life around, & stays active and grateful !
Congrats to the guy who got clean. I know the addiction never leaves you. You dream about using still. It is a lifelong battle.
It’s smoked in adjacent apartments second hand meth smoke is in all apartments I can smell popcorn in the hallways of my apartments I can tell this is bad
Not true for everyone. Plenty of people fully recover. In fact, a lot of people who struggled with addiction at a young age and recover young, end up sort of growing out of addiction. It happened for me. Got sober 12 years ago and I rarely think about it nowadays, and I never crave it anymore and haven't in years. I think it may be different if you are addicted for several decades though.
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This story is a swing and a miss. If the reporter had researched the affliction in any detail, she would’ve realized she missed a chance to tell that addict that it’s not the fentanyl, rather it’s what they’re cutting it with. that’s making his legs swell and if he keeps using the same product, he’s going to have open sores that are untreatable.
Yes, and it's Trank!!!😮
yeah i have done the xylazine dope and regular and while the regular might make ur legs swell a little, that massive swelling is 100% xylazine. being bent over and nodding off while standing is also far more likely to be xylazine than just plain fent dope..... plain fent is kind of bunk, once you have any tolerance to it at all, there's virtually no euphoria, it hardly gets you high feeling..... it displaced the heroin supply because it is so cheap, but it is a far inferior drug
You’re right. It’s the Xylazine (Tranq) that is causing the “bent over” posture on the Fentanyl addicts, which the manufacturers “cut” the Fentanyl with. Videos of Kensington, Philadelphia, the world’s largest open-air drug market, show the homeless addicts “bent over”, as they “nod out”. Almost all of the Fentanyl addicts there, when high, end up exhibiting that compromised posture until the high “wears off”, or until they fall to the ground and fall asleep for a period of time. The Xylazine also is extremely harmful to the human body, and can cause all kinds of open wounds that could get infected if not treated in a timely manner. It is not a drug meant to be consumed by humans (like Fentanyl is), so the deleterious effects of Xylazine on humans can be horrific (like untreated open wounds that get so infected, the only way to prevent the infection from spreading throughout the body (which could then lead to death), is to amputate the limb that the infection has taken hold of. Scary stuff. Xylazine is prescribed as a sedative for veterinary use for horses and cattle.
@@filthforce, so true.Heroin is a much safer and far more effective opioid when it comes to pain management. So many people are dying now thanks to prohibition.
This is news.... I'll leave my apartment in Philly and walk past a keeled over zombie and they'll literally still be there three hours later after I've dropped off work, grabbed breakfast, and run a few other errands. They say its from an animal sedative that I believe starts with a Z and not the Fentanyl but who really knows. The only thing certain is that this misery is condoned, encouraged, and it strikes me as if they're being sacrificed as if in a satanic manner. The painkiller pills to dope pipeline is long gone and people are still succumbing to this hell. It makes no sense.
It’s not in California yet….well now it is.
xylazine
Leave this place
As if in the satanic manner? Lol
Xylazine starts with a "z" sound, it's coming from Chinese and Mexican entities. Watch Andrew Callahans Channel 5 doc
You will also see them point their feet inward so they can lock their knees against each other. This makes the joint resist bending and adds support as they nod out.
When I was homeless on the streets I saw people do this when they were nodding off and sleeping, it's amazing acrobatics, they never fall over.
Seeing that poor dog broke my heart.
People have more sympathy for dogs than they do for these fiends lol. I don’t disagree
The dogs of the homeless are happier than a responsible homeowner's dog. Homeowner's dogs get sad when they are left alone and locked up.
@PonyboyPanchorello is that a fact or an over generalization? I'm tired of these bums using dogs for sympathy
@@D1900fas I'm tired of it too.
@@PonyboyPanchorello That's true for some, but not all.
.. lets spend $1 billion to find out why they are bent over...😂
Lost a cousin this week to fentanyl. My family has a history of back pain, I was able to help my sister get a disc replacement. My sister got her disc replacement at 26. She would have eventually gone paralyzed. It is a shame our parents are against Universal Healthcare but it would be a step to fighting the drug crisis.
Universal Healthcare is a very bad idea, because the US government can't do anything correctly. Just look at what's happening to social security. After the US government permanently fixes its existing problems then the country can consider giving the US government more responsibilities. The same reason why you don't give more money to a financial advisor who's already doing terrible with the first batch of money you provided.
Canada is case in point with their failure of universal healthcare 💩
Sorry for ur loss
I read a post before from a person who used heroin. He said they're SLEEPING standing up.
And dreaming
It probably is just extreme sedation.
They are. It's like when you're driving and really sleepy and fighting to keep your eyelids open. You're not fully asleep, but you're not fully conscious either. You're numbed out but still more awake than asleep to where it's just more comfy to sorta laze out and dangle. It's just what opiates do at the right dosage - and if you have a tolerance from using them then you're able to go deeper without fully nodding out and going unconscious, and it results in this sorta behavior where it's like you're trying to stay awake but it feels comfy just relaxing "a bit" instead.
horse syndrome
Philly Yoga, 90 degree lean.
My fentanyl addiction was a little different. I had been in pain management since back surgery in 2002. I was already hooked on Vicodin and Percocet, and in 2006 they added fentanyl patches. Different doses, it’s supposed to give the medicine over a 3 day period. Wasn’t long before I had the high milligram dose and wasn’t long until I just started chewing them to get 3 days worth in a few hours. Wasn’t long before I rolled my truck down an embankment either. I was in bad shape,5 weeks in a hospital and 4 weeks of physical therapy,but I turned my life around after that. That was in 2012, but I remember people telling me what I did,how I looked paralyzed,like a bent over wax figure. You don’t know and wouldn’t care what it looks like. You never know what’s in that street stuff. That guys legs are going to get much worse,possibly amputated.
This story went from asking the question, "why are fentanyl users bent over?" to "here is an uplifting story about a guy who used fentanyl that has a completely unrelated back injury that was healed through surgery." What?
You too can go to Spain! 😂
Dammit lol
Well, I guess there's only so much to be said after the guy stood up straight and said it hurts. They can, but it hurts.
I thought they said that more research needs to be done but they believe it has something to do with veins collapsing as the result of the side effects of Fentanyl. Perhaps I do not understand what you are saying and I am wrong. Either way, stay safe folks.
You paid insufficient attention. Fentanyl exacerbated his back condition to the point that it became infected. That's why he had the surgery. Then the mere fact of hospital isolation was his avenue to lasting abstinence. It's an illustration about the possibilities of recovery.
I've been on crutches for 3 years now with a herniated disc compressing a nerve that affects my left leg which doesn't really work because of it. Doctors want me to lose weight before they do surgery. How can I lose weight if I'm in pain every day, can't walk unassisted, can't stand for more than a few minutes? Maybe I should do drugs too. Physical therapy doesn't help. Injections doesn't help. I wish I could get that disc implant he got. Do you have to do drugs to get help now a days?
Stop being lazy my pain is worse than urs 😂
i found that cutting out my carbs really helped me lose weight
Fasting and eating with moderation. Eat healthy natural foods and less processed foods. Drink more water, especially distilled water from time to time.
@supinelemon yeah I've lost about 30 pounds so far. All I can do is change my diet. I personally don't think losing weight will help at all though. I'll need surgery. Because I've herniated the same disc several times over the years. This time it just stuck. Heavy lifting. Some of it is probably my own fault because I did love heavy lifting in the gym, but also because all the jobs I had required heavy manual labor. I didn't mind it, but it took its toll over the years. And the 13 years of military service didn't help either. Medically retired now. Started gaining weight after.
@cxg174 yeah Wegovy definitely helps. I'm taking it along with changing my diet. Game changer for sure. I hope your husband is able to lose weight with it too. It seems to be standard protocol to tell people to lose weight, but something needs to give to at least allow us to be able to move. High levels of pain will stop anyone. It's debilitating.
It’s called gouching where your so high you can lift up cos your so stoned that your body jus balances..
Former street addict is now flying to Europe and hiking in Spain while the rest of us are choosing between groceries and filling up the tank. 😂
Walking the Camino is a religious pilgrimage, although a lot of tourists also do it. It might have been a pilgrimage for this man.
And isn't that wonderful that this man now has his life together and can afford to travel to Europe!! It just shows how far a person can quickly cone in life when they try hard.
today is the 20th of the month and i am broke. need $200.USD just to buy gas to go see my mom during the next couple of weeks. that is not even a tank and a half.
only one tv dinner and a package of sausages in the freezer. less than a loaf of bread. couple cans of corn. not even milk for to use on the 1/2 box of dry cereal..
That's the part I don't understand. His hospital bills must be over $1 million. Who pays for it? He must be wealthy.
@@shaggydawg5419 Taxpayers who can’t afford gas probably did.
I have used it for chronic pain and if you use a therapeutic amount it doesn’t affect you like that at all. You are as able to go about your life like anyone else. I didn’t stay on it bc the health insurance would only allow me so many days a week and the patches would wear off before I could put a new one on and that just wasn’t as effective as taking other medications by mouth. I’ve been on pain meds for decades and i don’t have any issues. They treat my pain from a multitude of issues with my spine and rheumatoid arthritis as well. I’ll always be on pain meds and I just thank God that they’re available to me
Same
I kept sweating the patches off.
About all the patches did was make me nauseous
Rx'd responsibly, they certainly have their place.
My fentanyl wears off too quickly as well. But my palliative care Dr realizes that this happens to some people and lets me put a new patch on every two days instead of every three days so it works for me. But fentanyl alone isn’t enough for my pain, I have to take dilauded and tramadol with it along with muscle relaxers, etc.
None of my business, here’s the ‘but’, are you going to truly say that you haven’t ran out of your prescription medication early? While your pain meds are needed, your physical body can’t help becoming addicted after daily use for so long. Then there is the mental addiction. That comes from that big sigh of relief after the opioids break down, or simply put after that ‘rush’. That’s when it becomes a physical & mental addiction. Causing it to be very hard too overcome.
Only took 150,000 worth of spinal surgery to get this guy off the gear and out of the chair
Congratulations Ben … stay strong
My previous job wanted me to carry narcan and I told them no, so they fired me radical fake news media reporters
😭😢 I’m hurt seeing folks suffer like this🙏
They CHOOSE to do Fentanyl.
@@gemee1they are victims of a drug crisis!!
You're hurt? Then vote Republican ffs.
They chose to do drugs, and the politicians don't make it any better by enabling their addiction by giving them free needles and other paraphernalia to do their drugs. You should feel sorry for the people who have to pay taxes towards all of this while living in the Bay area where it's already hard to make a living.
@@notanindianscammer7594the only time someone is the victim of the the drug crisis is if they were forced to become addicts. If someone made the choice to start doing drugs then they are not a victim.
I chose to start smoking cigarettes. I am an addict by definition. I am not a victim since it was my choice to start smoking. 99% of drug addicts chose to start doing drugs. Telling drug addicts they are victims only serves to give them an excuse for their actions which removes the responsibility. A victim couldn't have stopped what happened to them which is not the case with drugs.
the man who recovered - you look healthy and happy. I can't imagine being an addict but I know it was not easy. You were blessed with a 2nd chance and it shows you are grateful. You are an inspiration for those whom are still in the trenches.
I just want to thank you for the respectful way you conducted this news story. Often addicts are demeaned but I don't feel you did that at all. Props and respect
The fentanyl that they are talking about is not FDA approved, but black market version of it from over seas.
Yup. They never mention that. Also xylazine. Funny. Now we have ppl screaming and crying coming out of surgery bc they’re given medical grade fentanyl but they don’t know the difference bc the media doesn’t give a flying shit about us.
The Tenderloin back muscle 💪🏼 ?
Stop the supply chain.
dude. americans. had enough of them.
Yeah that has worked so well over the past 50 years...
Lol that’ll never happen
Close the border.
Can’t find any quaaludes anywhere since they were banned. It can be done.
Thank you for doing this story! I’ve been wondering how they bend over like they and don’t fall for a few years now. It’s like a weird super power.
That's zylazine. A mixture of zylazine and fentanyl
I was on the bus in SF on my way to work yesterday and saw two dudes slumped over while they are sitting down. Its disturbing.
I have literally never seen that. I guess that's the benefit of not living in a leftist cesspool.
I'm seeing more and more slumped-over fentanyl addicts on the Muni metro, the 38 Geary, etc. Almost all of them are men.
How about quit working with the Cartels and close the borders
Cartel must paid a lot money to 😬😬😬🤐🤐🤐🫣🫣🫣
You do realize there is absolutely no way to "close" the border? It does not have a gate. There cannot be continuous fencing put up. Fentanyl doesn't just come in through the southern border. It is mailed in, shipped in, brought in by plane, by boat, etc.
@@triciac1019yeah according to people with your type of thinking there is nothing whatsoever the us govt can do about the border
Sure ok
During Covid people had trouble getting toilet paper but you didn't hear about a street drugs shortage
And China whose also smuggling in Fentanyl
Xylezene, not the fentanyl!
I call it the “fentanyl fold”
Opposite of the "flakka flop"
It’s the tranq/xylazine.
The tranq is causing the sores...
Cannot believe the announcers are so ignorant?
Agreed, this "reporting" is very sad.
I was thinking this through the whole story. It's fentanyl cut with tranc.
🎶🎵otherwise known as the dope fiend lean🎵🎶
Good reporting! Thanks!
You should see it in Portland. It’s now been in front of my sister’s apartment building in what used to be a lovely part of the city. She is terrified to go to the grocery store across the street. I feel deeply for the addicts and the police are trying their best, but sometimes people do get violent, mix it with meth, etc. it is very frightening.
Meth is insane. I had to stop using it not for me but for everybody encountered lol..made me psychopathic, no joke. Violent as HELL for absolutely no resaon whatsoever...mild psychosis i guess. The inner world takes over and it produces rage.
So many wonderful things to do in life, don't drug up like this and throw your life away.
EXCELLENT COVERAGE AND STORY 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thanks for reporting on this. Was in downtown SF this week and it’s so sad. Talked to one kid outta his mind…gave him the rest of a 1/2 liter water bottle, he was so grateful it was💔 IDK the solution but there has to be One🙏💪❤️✨🌎
you want to know something crazy.... if they opened heroin maintenance clinics and gave free, medical grade heroin for addicts to inject under supervision 2-3 times a day (as some other countries have done), it'd eliminate most of the problems. and it's truly not even expensive, especially when you consider all the crime that stops happening, because people no longer need to make up any money to stay high
Heartbreaking 💔 I’m so sorry for everyone impacted by this tragedy!
This is not a tragedy. It’s a choice.
@@jjsmama401 it’s a tragedy that it’s being made in Mexico and finding it’s way to nominally the USA and now Europe . People are taking lesser drugs that unbeknownst to them are laced ! It’s definitely a tragedy for the world !
I will *never* understand addiction nor why anyone would willingly take drugs knowing they are bad for the body.
Do you understand skydivers? Because I don't use fentanyl but it makes a lot more sense to me than jumping out of a plane for thrills.
Same way we eat candy & drink soda along with all the gmo
I can't imagine living somewhere and having my two young daughters see this happening around where they live. The fact that people are tolerating others self-destructing right in front of them is insane.
5GW
It’s devastating and traumatic.
Yeah, how they are not carted off to hospitals to receive mandatory treatment is insane.
This is everywhere. I live in Biloxi, Mississippi in the US. 2 people found dead at the bus stop across from the major casinos.
People self destruct all the time whether publicly or privately. Not much you can do about that unless the person themselves wants help. Also guaranteed they’ve seen worse on the internet if they have access
What keeps them from falling over?
Their just-barely conscious brains.
Jesus Christ, our saviour😇
They keep waking up when they begin to lose their balance.
Good reporting. 👍
I am absolutely astonished that this is accepted by society (in SF at least). Will never understand
what do you mean "accepted," that it's not so extreme that we dont kill on site? i dont get what you;re failing to understand, it sounds like you view the world like a child might
@@filthforce wtf did I just read?
@@whita-db9zw there's no way to stop it that wouldn't be completely unacceptable. and they are only hurting themselves, at least by default, why care so much? people act like the fact that problems might not have a good solution as the rest of the world is making it happen and only they see the truth.
This has been happening for a very long time. You just now found out about it?
I'm very happy for the man who was able to get clean, but realize that he was only in that position in the first place because American healthcare is so abysmally bad that he was forced to turn to fentanyl instead of receiving the treatment that he needed. Once he got his back fixed, he was able to turn everything around. If we actually cared about healthcare in this country, there would be so many people that don't have to resort to forming addictions to dangerous drugs.
Well said...it's wealth & hellness not health & wellness
Bingo. My friend goes for Dillaudid every month, they give him exactly 30 pills. He pays nothing.
I've lived downtown among addicts my whole life. Nothing every bothered me. The bent-over zombies..they bother me. They don't abide by the law of gravity!! It just doesn't make sense to me from a physics or a human perspective.
awesome.
? The exact opposite is happening if they are leaning down like this. It’s the exact definition of gravity. If anything standing up straight is less “abiding” by gravity
My brother, I’m so proud of you. It’s midnight after midnight right now in Texas and I’m watching this video I had knee surgery. I’m so proud of you man. It literally brought tears to my eyes to see this. I understand your pain Met I was not a fentanyl individual I was before all that, but what he says is correct your life has been that’s what you live for tear to my eyes and not tear tears plural more than one when I heard him say that I’ve been over that hump for two years nine months now of the 15th of this month nine months two years and he’s right he looks so different and I guess I saw it in his eyes that he is a recovered individual once again. I’m so proud of you, brother. I’m so so grateful that you made it back and he’s right not many of us make it back whether it’s fentanyl or some other type of debilitating use of drug whatever that might be for me. It was something else but it’s still addiction and I suffered so many years so many not being able to escape and wanting to escape there’s a difference between not knowing there’s a problem not believing there’s a problem and wanting to escape, but can’t there’s a huge difference in all of that. Yes you’re still in the insanity but at least you want to get out the first two man they’re brutal because denial is not a river in Egypt number one and number two not thinking that there is a problem, the problem but nobody can could’ve told me there was a problem. I was darn sure I had to see it almost took me almost losing that what I loved most and that was my dad that last relapse was two years nine months and two days or three days I believe now I think today is the 18th once again, I’m so proud of you brother so so proud of you and it took an emergency to get you there and that’s what they say. It’s gonna take one or 231-0103 medical death death one of those three men because even incarceration will not stop you, I’ve heard stories of people being incarcerated for decades coming out and the first thing they did was do drugs. I’m just saying so. It’s not where you’re at. It’s the attitude that has side one heart go to any link to stop this.
Cristobal, Jesus is the Only answer to any addiction. He can fill the void in your heart.
I thought that was "tranq". Commonly seen in Philly.
Same. Probably mixed in with the fentanyl.
Zombie
Xylezene (spelling??) the large animal tranquilizer that causes sores. Hideous.
Tranq is another class of drugs mixed w fent in Philly
It’s tranq. You are correct. Idkw they keep saying it’s fentanyl.
So very proud of the guy that quit and got his life together... congratulations brother!
It seems odd to me that "the medical community is trying to understand what fentanyl actually does to the human body" ( 0:04 ) when it's used in hospital operating rooms everyday.
Medical use of fentanyl is nothing like black market fentanyl use.
I always wonder why countries in Asia never have this problem. Our society should take a page or two from their playbook
Hell, yes. Singapore as an example. They don’t do everything right but they get most of it right.
They all turn to hard drinking instead.
They def do they just cover it up more, tons of homelessness, poverty and drugs all over Asia. Meth is a huge problem over there
How long will it last? Not long OD game over.
They have to be forced off of it. No way those people will willingly quit lol.
Most addicts I know want to be clean. Those in active addiction have to hit rock bottom and decide for themselves that they want to be free of this horrific drug. Hopefully they live through long enough to seek help. The recovering addicts that I personally know are some if the best people that I have ever known because they have gotten a second second chance at a clean life. I know the hard way. Thank God it wasn't fentanol however is was something close, I was addicted to Oxycontin. It is literally miracle that I got to see my oldest granddaughter graduate a couple of years ago and my oldest grandson earlier tonight. I am truly blessed. Sorry I did not mean to preach a semon. Just thought I would share a little bit of my observations having been there myself. Stay safe.
Nobody has ever been forced clean. Forcing them to be abstinent itself does nothing. People with addictions who go to prison or get detoxed will start using the minute they get clear of that.
@@kenofken9458 Because prisons dont exist to rehabilitate. Prisons need to start providing extensive rehabilitation programs as they force them to get clean
@kenofken9458 Not all... Some get clean and some reuse... Some die when reusing because they were clean and over dose.... many more die without treatment. We have to try and save those we can..... 😢
@@kenofken9458 Just because you've had buddies that got out of jail and began using again right away, doesn't mean many do not.
The durability of addictions is highly mythologized, largely because the narrative is dominated by addiction workers who by definition work with the hardest and most hopeless cases. 'Journalists' pitch in with a huge assist because they're dependent on drama and the depiction of awful occurrences. (So dependent that they're _addicted to them,_ it could be said with considerable justification.)
Meanwhile the large majority of drug addicts quietly disappear from their respective drug scenes and restart their lives. Their recovery goes unnoticed and generally uncounted in statistics. No one ever strikes them off any database of users, because none is kept. But nearly every overdose death is counted.
This is very educational. We do need to force people into drug treatment. It worked for this man, and it would work for a lot of people. Great reporting, and exceptional delivery by Lyanne. She speaks clearly and well. So many reporters today can barely speak English!
If you force someone into drug rehab, they will be out and on it again before you can say 'peep'. Just as with alcs. They have to WANT to stay sober.
There is truth in this: >> The goal isn't to be sober. The goal is to love yourself so much that you don't need to do drugs or drink.
Most of the drug users neither want help nor be sober. Because it would mean that they might have to get up every morning, clean up, and 😱 perhaps have to work for a living. Prove me wrong. Our city has an abundance of homeless drug users. Many of them get picked up by bylaw officers and put in a shelter. And a big percentage get evicted almost instantly because they DON'T WANT TO OBEY TO ANY RULES, are aggressive, combative, and the only thing they want is to be on the road, steal, B&E, and get money for drugs and booze.
It doesn't work for everyone. I know someone who was forced into treatment twice due to medical issues. Due to both chronic pain and untreatable mental illness (despite seeing a psychiatrist regularly) they cannot stay clean. Until chronic pain clinics start treating ex-fentanyl users that live with chronic pain, there is no help for people in this category. When you have a condition that regularly has you in so much pain that you become nauseous from the pain, there is nothing that can be done other than give safer narcotics or offer MAID.
Unfortunately unless someone wants to be clean, treatment just doesn't work.
I agree. Organizations and non-profits go out each week begging them to seek assistance and leave the streets, yet they decline. How can city leaders address the issue when they refuse help!? The answer is clear: they need to be forced off the streets. This is the only viable solution. If they are unwilling to accept free help and get off the streets, there is no alternative but to force them or this problem will just become worse and worse!
@@k.elysium6819 medication assisted treatment is a good option for people with chronic pain who struggle with opioid addiction. Methadone is an extremely powerful painkiller and is often used in treating people solely with chronic pain. The doses of methadone used in MAT are typically much higher than doses used solely for chronic pain. And the patient gets more control of their dose in MAT, so they should be able to get to an effective dose to properly treat their pain.
I had to go thru MAT to get effective pain management. I'm not alone in that. One of my counselors said they estimate about half of the patients at the average methadone clinic are covert chronic pain patients, or, people with chronic pain and opioid use disorder. It's way more common than you'd think.
The Tenderloin district? Come on people.