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Will Marvel's upcoming Fantastic Four film actually be set in the 60s? Erik Voss is joined by Hector Navarro in this Sneak Peek debate! To get your free 30 day skincare sampling set go to geolog.ie/ROCKSTARS100 !
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took me 18 minutes into the video realize how much of a nerd i am to watch other nerds over think how other nerds are gunna enter the mcu
It took me 44 minutes🤣🤣
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I must be one too, cause I’m loving it!
I remember when I had my coming to marvel Jesus moment 😂.
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The possibility of F4 being from the 60’s but getting lost in space somewhere where time doesn’t flow normally when or after fighting whatever their big bad will be in the movie, getting covered up by the government and then returning to Earth in the 2020’s thanks to Reed and his big brain is so simple and can solve almost all the gripes he has with the “from a different universe” concept people came up with. Like, yeah Reed can manage to get them home, but 60+ years have passed due to the time dilation of wherever they were when it just felt like 60 minutes to them
The ending for the movie could also be a little similar to the ending of the first Captain America movie. It’s bittersweet
i could actually see a potentiality where Reed and the FF are forced to trap themselves outside of time and space that also erases all information and knowledge of them to save earth from destruction by Galactus
This isn’t the issue. Doing this would mean that you would have to change up their comic story and I think that’s what people don’t want. The FF are not vigilante type of heroes with like secret identities, they are actual celebrities. How would you explain how no one in the world happened to know them or remember them?
they should get trapped in negative zone transform and fight annihilus then build a device to travel back but time changes. then they can later tie in mr fantastics doorway to his negative zone prison beeing the connection to his device
Nah cause if we’re being honest the govt cover up is the best route esp since we all know how the Am. Govt is🤣🤣
The main villain should be Annihilus. That way you have the main villain and the FF can get trapped in the negative zone, explaining why they haven't been around this whole time.
i mean that would be the best bet because how are you gonna make MCU & Casual Fans care about the F4 if the story is convoluted & layered.
But shouldn't they have aged while being trapped in the Negative Zone?
Even if the did not physically aged, I'm pretty sure spending so much time there would affect their relationships. One thing's for sure, Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm would not remain so immature. 🤷🏼♂️
@ironshoes1720 mabey time will move differently in the negative zone for the movie. The final end battle of the movie could be like a 30 min or 2 hour fight for them but outside of the negative zone 60 Years would pass, while they remain the same age
I think it's as simple as they were covered up or just had a small incident in retrospect of the US government.
same just dont overthink it
Similar to Xmen: First Class when they had an isolated incident in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and then in the next film, Days Of Future Past, when Trask is having a meeting with Congress explaining how mutants are dangerous, they bring up the what had happened year prior and one says "The incident in Cuba, that was never confirmed, we have real enemies out there", so I think it's pretty easy for the Government to cover stuff up to where any information getting out would be seen as rumors, especially easier back in the 60s
So what aren’t they super old now?
They love making assumptions and treating them as facts
@@WawaMarvel They could easily pull a Captain America/Carter. More specifically Carter.
If their story is in the 616 MCU's 60s just have them slip through some kind of time portal. Or even more specifically, they could get stuck in the Quantum Realm like Scott.
There's also the more far out, but still viable options like Watcher, TVA, or Nexus level beings, interference.
My guess is that how they go from the early 60s to the mid 2020s is similar to Captain America The First Avenger the main change being that for example say they go to a specific part of the Quantum Realm for 60 minutes (from their perspective) but for the world it’s been 60 years that would easily solve how their first movie takes place in the past and how they get to the present by the end of it
Negative zone
Yeah. I don't understand why they're so concerned about this.
We'd have clues about reed Richards. We'd have clues about s group of 4 dudes disappearing one of them being a known astronaut and another a genius cientist
Yh then our question is that why wont they want to go back to their time and we actually want them to stay but there should be an explanation.
Yep
I love hector and eric’s dynamic
You could almost say, they're a dynamic duo? 😀
That really was an incredible episode of The Breakroom and this is just an awesome continuation!
It was amazing to be part of the chat that day!
hank pym probably remembers them
I think that would be a cool call out, if Pym was just like in awe of seeing them again because to him and everyone else from his day, they just disappeared.
yeah
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I like the idea they have been trapped in the quantum realm all this time
@@royal4908but he didn’t get a hit from their singal trying to find janet?
Maybe they're normal astronauts in the 60s and some space accident is what brings them to the present and gives them their powers? They could have been celebrity astronauts without meriting mention by Tony Stark or whatever.
That’s what I’m thinking. I feel like he’s over thinking it. They get brought to the future and see the advancements and science and tech and the worlds need for them decide to stay in this time period.
Fun fact. In the 60s, there was a band from detroit called the fantastic four. That is probably what strange was referring to in multiverse of madness, and I really hope it gets reference in the fantastic four movie because it is such an odd coincedence that in the 1960s, there was a band called the fantastic four and the marvel comics fantastic four.
Or cause the Beatles were called “The Fab Four”
@@itsmorbintimeorits420 That is also true. I just hope the fantastic four band does get referenced just because of how eery a coincidence it is.
This is by far one of my favorite discussions, I swear. I really loved the theories.
Was perfect for the car ride back home
Thanks so much!!
GUUUUUYS, The Fantastic Four Dr Strange is referring to was a singing group from 1965....he's not talking about Reed and the family.
We don't know that yet
We absolutely know this, it’s such a discredit to the singing group “the fantastic Four” -“didn’t you guys chart in the 60s?” Because Stephen is an Audiophile, as we found out from the first doctor strange. He’s referring to the real life band.
There was a band called family four, but swedish.
Unless of course he was taking the piss out of him. He's massively sarcastic as a character.@@creepycarlos5634
Yeah but also the promo image for the casting reveal has a lot of 60's references. I don't think tbey are doing that by accident
Quick fact check: Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz were the "It Couple" of the 1950s not the 1960s. They divorced in 1960.
I think they would get caught up in the issues of the day, the multiverse incursions and such. But by the time that they think they might be able to go back to their timeline, battle world and secret wars would happen and inevitably cause the universe to "restart". This would then cut off their ability to go back to their original timeline.
That’s what I thought even if they “choose” to stay and help by the time everything is said and done nothing will exist anymore or it’s all reset
After that pod on heroes reforged last week i knew it was going to be hector 🤣
Podcast @@user-fh6yh6jw4u
Never thought abt that Syndrome was literally Dr Doom in Incredibles
The "why doesn't Reed go back/forward in time" question can be solved with one line of dialog: "Dad, we want to stay."
Absolutely love this discussion and the back and forth of you two, fantastic work. I like how you both have your own perspective and opinions on how the team should work. Your banter was great to watch.
For me personally, I’d say start them off in the 60s, bring the forward some point (even at the end of the movie) to present day to interact with everyone. That’s the only way it makes sense (in my mind). Yo say that they were always in present day and just nobody ever mentioned them makes absolutely no sense.
Setting the movie in the 60s is the best way to keep the continuity correct and I’m on board with the direction they are going.
We need more debate showdowns like this. This was fun to watch.
So much fun
They weren’t mentioned much because there was no reason to mention a random team that popped up in the 60s. In the mcu there are probably random heroes and teams that pop up and fade away all the time. The thing that will make them different is that they’ll be the ones who comeback to our timeline. Also it doesn’t have to be time travel it can be that they went into a wormhole and time moves differently and when they get out of the wormhole they haven’t aged and they don’t have to go back they can just live out of their lives in the modern day
That makes no sense
I just watched Agents of Shield again, all seven seasons.
Every season is awesome
God help you....
That's a committed effort. Think that's the only one I haven't rewatched due to the time commitment.
there were seven??! i think i stopped at 5 when they time jumped.
@@lowkeyobsessedngl definitely worth watching the rest. And yes there are seven seasons
More of these when possible. TY guys!
What of the three snaps have something to do with them coming to the future? Maybe the energy from the snaps went across timelines and Reed maybe wants to harvest the energy and go home but something stops them from going back
Can’t wait for this movie
Yo MCU Southern lawyer is one of the all time great bits of the channel right up there with the mandatory fun graphic
There was a real musical act called Fantastic Four that really did have a minor hit in the ‘60s. It’s not some subtle hint about future movies or whatever, it’s just a joke about a real thing in the real world.
Here's my idea for the fantastic four movie the movie is set in the 60s. It appears as though they are on the same reality as we have been everything appears the same. we spend the whole movie with the fantastic four they get their powers have the whole origin story we find out that Galactus is on the way and they are trying to prevent him destroying the Earth unfortunately they are not able to and the Earth is destroyed but before the Earth is destroyed they find a way to leave their reality and we find out that that's when they end up in Earth 616
There will always be inconsistencies. We never got a scene of Howard Stark telling Tony about his adventures with Captain America.
LOVE THE 50min Video!!! THANKS MUCH
I could see a scenario where Reed is aware of a cataclysmic event 60 years in the future that he believes only the FF4 could prevent, so they travel to the future to stop it.
My pitch is that the space accident that gives them powers also sends them forward in time.
Nice!!!
Great discussion guys
I don't think they should bring the FF forward to present until near the end. Set most of it the 60s, have the FF members deeply involved with NASA til they get their powers, become celebrities, and then the climax threat brings them to our present. How people of the 60s view the FF after that event is with reverence, but the tragedy of it results in them not being discussed in pop culture. Everyone moved on because it was too sad to think about. Maybe the public isn't even aware of the threat or disaster that was averted by the FF, and their "destruction" is viewed as meaningless. They stay in the present because they are needed now, and to go back would threaten far greater consequences. Also, VVD is here in the present, and Reed doesn't know when he arrived or what VVD's impact has been.
Good convo!
You 2 have to make follow-up videos that continues this conversation once we find out more about Fantastic Four & X-Men movies (plus reviews of the movies once released) to analyze what theories were right & wrong: Grateful for the time you 2 spent nerding out for the rest of us 🙏🏾 I know I'll refer back to this right before the movies come out.
I’d love to! That would be so fun!
What if there’s a subplot where Doom in an effort to save his mother uses The Ancient One and the Time Stone to trap the Fantastic Four in a Time Loop like Strange did with Dormamu in the sacred timeline’s 60’s and they emerge when the infinity stones are destroyed
Yeah, it would be a great plot twist by something that the avengers did make them go from whatever timeline they gone and them go back to the current timeline.
Love your guys passion
we need these two titans going back & forth like the nerd movie version of Espn First Take
I'm right there with Hector in that if the Four are from the 60s and through the events of the movie something happens that causes them to end up in the modern-day MCU, I don't think there is any obstacle that prevents them from returning to the 60s, Reed is one of the smartest beings in the universe, he'd figure out a way for the four of them to return to the 60s.
However, that being said, I think them NOT returning to the 60s will be of their own account, their own decision. There will be a reason why they choose to stay in the present-day 2020s, and I don't think we'll know that reason until we see the full context of the movie. But it'll be a reason that is thematically and emotionally resonant to the characters and the plot of the movie that makes sense for them to stay in today....
Yeah! I feel like a portion of the movie is going to have Reed working on his time machine or whatever, while other stuff is happening that he's oblivious to, that Sue, Johnny, and Ben are getting involved with... and eventually, Reed says, "Good news, everyone! It's done! We can go back to our own time as soon as you're all ready!" But then, everyone else objects...
Hector's Southern Judge character is one of the best pieces of comedy on this network.
I just assumed the 60s announcement was just cute marketing and that it will be set in present day. Is that completely off the table?
Anyone else really liking these weekly sneak peak ? It’s nice fr
this was a great conversation
It needs to be set in 1963! I love the classic comic retro-cool look!
It does not NEED to be set in 1963.That may be your opinion,but factually speaking,it doesn't NEED to be anything.
@@jeffdroog That’s true
@@jeffdroog If we’re being honest I really don’t care either way. Loki is about the only MCU related property that still interests me.
@@jeffdroog Wrong. How else are you going to explain such a LAME name as Fantastic Four?
@@dangerfly Having the movie written by the same terrible writers who have written all of their other content lol It's not like 97% of the current lines written haven't been terrible.
My presumption is that they were pruned by the TVA in the 60s, that’s why their flying car is in the void shown in the dead pool trailer and deadpool will un prune them
Great video.
so well though out gents. great ideas
Hector, I really hope that we will never have to regret the fact that you didn't write and direct the movie yourself, I really like your ideas, Im a longtime FF fan myself..
I thought they were from another universe and it was similar to ours while also in the 1960s. Galactus would appear there with a female Silver Surfer and eventually eat the Earth, and that's when they get saved by being brought to the MCU/616/199999 universe. their story could then involve Galactus showing up for this Earth. The F4 would then have a better idea of how to handle the situation better and defeat him (and his 'different' herald).
That was a great BR episode!
3:44 noo they have not😂 love Hector's realness and honesty and we need more of it
Not saying this to take away from Hector’s sage, nerdy wisdom and individual badassness and personality..but he reminds me of Jon Schnepp..Like he’s keeping his nerdy spirit alive. Thank you Hector! Nerds live forever. Sweaties never die.
14:03 so very true, I really hope they are a different flavor from what we’re getting. They definitely get their fight moments, but I hope it’s a lot of brain games and you’re on the edge of your seat hoping their plans works out. It definitely doesn’t need to be a heist movie nor should it be, but I would love if they had oceans 11 voiceover type stuff going over their plans and showing everyone’s strengths and how they are best used in certain situations.
Let's remember that the first Captain America movie took place in the 1940s and it was the fourth MCU movie with no REAL mention of Steve Rogers in any previous movie.
In the comics, The Fantastic Four didn't have fame when they started out, they grew famous over time.
If the Ultimate Nullifier is not a plot point in the Fantastic Four movie.. I will cry internally.
Going from "our" 1960's and trapped in time (or the Quantum Realm) could potentially be just as interesting as them being refugees from a universe that has been destroyed in an incursion. Honestly, which approach they use will be determined by what the updated plotline and villain of upcoming Avengers and Secret Wars movies. Either one could also draw the attention of the TVA, so the FF will be the glue holding current and future projects together (as it should be). ☮❤🎶
60s Did you not see the dopeness of Pedro's hair during SAG? He is our make Chilean Daddy.
Where's Jessica Clemons with my Avatar break downs fr ? Sis got me starving.
Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne operated as superheroes during the 80s. On their final mission together, they saved millions of lives from an ICBM, and yet Ant-Man's existence was a myth until decades afterwards. Fantastic Four could be a similar case
He skipped right over the answer and didn't realize it. Kang in Quantumania uses the same Time Doors as Reed Richards from Multiverse of Madness that he would have learned from Doom.
This was literally the best sneak peak ever erick and hector are great together
Does the FF not have any villains other than Galactus and Doom?
Having the movie entirely take place in the 60s would be a bad idea. I think if anything have the first third be a period piece with them prepping for their journey into space.
Love Heroes Reforged, keep having Hector on, please! 🙏🏽 🎉
I want a good story that is character driven and true to the tone and spirit of the comics.
First of all, the Fantastic four should be a episodic series, not movies. They need the time to develop not only the family dynamic but provide the background for their main villains which are complex and worthy of detailing.
Second, I think they should start with the origin in the 60's and maybe do the first season spending it in the 60's. Then they should go on a space travel or dimension travel such as into the Negative Zone, and because of time dilation or differing time because of this return in 2025. This would allow them to be anachronistic, and old fashion, and need to learn to live on Earth as it is now. Reed might have to have a bunch of legal battles to regain his pattens, which had been used to develop the internet, cell phones, even much of Stark's Ironman tech.
They would appear in the movies but their main story would be told in the series.
I remember Movie Bob made a fan pitch a few years ago for The Fantastic Four. Surprisingly they bring up a lot of the same plot points.
We can have BOTH. The first movie is the 60’s intro which leads into them getting “erased” or “forgotten” or “trimmed” after a catastrophe creates a branched timeline. The Second movie is how they get BACK.
The 60s did not define the FF it was Jack Kirbys art and design that defined that book.
Even the audience don't remember them
9:17 thankkk you 👏🏾 and without being lazy
10:10 yesss they do and I'm not here for it, it bugs me too😅
11:42 1000%, sooo grateful for Hector being straight up with this one
I’m exited for this movie but he 60’s setting doesn’t really work for me
Who in their right mind TODAY would use the word FANTASTIC? It's an old word. People have zero understanding of branding.
A glimpse of the FF may appear in DP3… perfect timing for the upcoming movie and casting announcement.
With respect to the F4 coming from the past to the present, Hector couldn't understand why they wouldn't just go back to their own time as soon as they could. However, time travel has been explained in the MCU to only go one way. If you go to the future, you travel along the same time line and don't change anything but if you go back anything you did would change the present, which can't happen, therefore, you create a branch timeline. If F4 came to the present from the past and tried to go back again they would just go to a branch and would be wiped from the main timeline. Staying in the present would be the only option.
Exactly. I think nobody has thought of that, so many theories would go to trash after this.
That’s not true. If the Avengers traveled into the past and created branches during the Time Heist, how did they return to the Sacred Timeline they left from?
If you could only travel into the future along the branch they were in, then they would never be able to return to the universe where Thanos snapped half of all life.
Which means the Avengers had a way to track the coordinates of that original universe. Which also means they’d have a way to do the reverse, and revisit the specific branches they took Stones from, which is exactly what Steve Rogers did.
So yes. If the FF came to the present, when they returned to their original time in the sixties, it would also mean they were going back to make their own branch. (Unless the whole story WAS in the sixties of the Sacred Timeline, including their return). Either way. They could return.
Great video,I like the theories and I’m hoping either Galactus or Annilhilus is the villain.
I think a solo Dr. Doom movie would work for a villain of his callaber.
Want Hector on Nerdist for a long time??? I recall him doing this job with another nerd media group.
All you need is love was released in 1967 for the Magical Mystery Tour movie & soundtrack. If they were lost in 1963, there is no way he would have known anything about that song or ANY of the Beatles later catalog. Checkmate!
Marvel has dumb writers,and they've made bugger mistakes in bugger movies lol It could still be ANY time.Check mate!
🤓 Do more of this please!! Good call, producer John. 👏🏻
On a side note. WHERE'S WANDA!
But really...Could we see Harry Stiles turn up in Deadpool & Wolverine as Eros and either Deadpool or Wolverine kill him? I mean Eternals 2 is 99% a no go, so?
The runes of cough call lol
Hector!!! Heck(tor) yea!!
everyones so mad about everything being the multiverse, im just mad that there's no actual good exploration of the concept yet
Love the discussion. I would love to see them in the 60s. They did the cosmic rays story and the get caught up the storm and arrive back in 2026. Just my thought.
Great debate, solid concerns. But you’re way overthinking it Hector 😂
I get the feeling its not going to be set in the 60s at all and that everybody is just looking way too far into this.
I agree. I think it was a cool promo that wasn't supposed to be taken literally.
My buddy had the idea that the FF are from the 60s but get stuck in the quantum realm (or something similar). And while theyre in there, an incursion destroys their home universe, and 616 is ‘temporary’ until reed can fix it and get them back
Oh shit…I kinda want them frozen Austin powers style
Will you guys break down all 4 fantastic 4 films please
I don't think they would have much of a reason to go back to the 60s. Much less someone like Reed who was always ahead of his time.
They could start in the 60s & wind up in the future at the end of time 😭💀🔥🔥🔥 that would be a huge shock to them
I agree with the point that Reed would do whatever he could to take them home. This is the hugest plot hole. Even if they felt there was a reason to stay, that would eventually pass and then what? You’d constantly have to have reasons for them to stay because if there’s no reason to stay, Reed is going to take them back. Full stop. Not only is he smart enough to accomplish this, but it’s exactly what he’d do. His character would solve the problem. It’s what he does.
So yah… not a fan. I don’t understand why marvel would set this in the 60’s. It’s just an odd choice. Like why? I can’t think of a positive but I can think of a billion negatives.
sounds like unless hector writes the movie he's not going to enjoy it because that is a lengthy ass checklist
Not at all, but I’m not gonna lie and say I don’t have emotional baggage I’m bringing with me concerning these characters. Some people agree with me, some don’t. It’s fine. I just care very much about the Fantastic Four.
@@hectorminatorYeah, i hear you, Hector. I just think your putting to much trust in Marvel to think they are going to tell a simple story. If Marcus & Mcfeely were writing it, I could almost see it, but these days, I don't trust any if these writers even read comic books.
@@jasoncullen7787 I don’t think I understand your stance here. Are you saying Marvel Studios are unnecessarily complicated their stories? Or that they’re simplifying them too much? And that only the writers of the Captain America trilogy have read Marvel comics? I don’t agree with that at all.
Ok I hear them, my thing is from a studio perspective wouldn't it make sense for the studio to make them from a different verse just in case the movie doesn't do good?
If Marvel Studios doesn’t have as much faith in FANTASTIC FOUR as they did Eternals, they should just stop making movies, lol.
And I loved Eternals. I’m saying, they showed enough support to THAT obscure team that surely they should have support and faith in the Fantastic Four, one of the best superhero comics ever made.
I honestly think, they will have been in our time line, but something went on with the tesseract, and they got pulled out of our timeline and now they are some place else.
I mean why do the FF need to be from the 60s? Why not have them be starting now with the timeline? Use them as the group that bought the Stark tower or I mean Avengers tower and then they were leaving for a mission then boom the blip happens? Then when they comeback from the blip they are starting their “space mission” and get their powers from that then that way they are on our timeline and now we don’t have the back story or where the hell where they when Thanos and everything happened before now?
What if they're like famous BUT Not for science publicly, what if they were famous in the 60s for being like a Partridge Family type band, with their own albums, tv shows maybe a variety hour, Lunchboxes and dolls, HOWEVER They Secretly work with shield as Super Scientists
My personal hope for the explanation is that the MCU intoduces more 60s - 90s in spotlight appearances. These heroes could allow for the MCU to expand further and gives them a valid excuse for a relatively unknown FF. Alternatively they may not last long in the 60s. I could see marvel making the movie take place over the span of a few weeks or a month after the group gets their powers, and this would let the Fantastic Four gain some local fame without generating the necessary buzz to become a household name.
If they use the latter and have the powered up FF for a flash of time they could set it in and around the time of the JFK assassination. This would make it absolutely certain that they never had an opportunity to see the front page of any newspaper.
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I remember Movie Bob channel suggesting the 1960s plot 6 or 7 years ago. Suggested they get lost in space (time warp) before the world gets to know them.
How come in the 2005-2007 FF movies, they didn't mention the X-Men at all?