Festool CT20 VA Cyclone Interceptor
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- A cyclone interceptor can vastly reduce the amount of waste that enters the attached extractor. In doing so it not only reduces the frequency of bag changes but also prolongs the life of the main filter. Festool have now produced their first cyclone intended for their CT range (26, 36 and 48) of extractors. I am grateful that they agreed to lend a cyclone to me in order for me to make this video.
97,50 % goes to Festool for a good product, 100,00 % goes to Mr. Parfitt for a very good and useful review.
Hi Henrik, You are very kind - thank you. Peter
Well put!
Thanks for your time making this video. Your thoroughness and polite manner make it a joy to watch and learn from.
Watched the video a couple of years ago and again today. As always, I enjoy all your videos. Thank you.
Thanks again!
Nice review Peter. I found running the vacuum bagless works best. The reusable bags reduce suction significantly as soon as MDF dust or drywall (mineral ) dust hits them. Bagless maintains good suction all day. My setup is with a dust deputy on the CT-Mini. This works best with the Kapex as it needs a higher suction to work properly.
Hi Terry, Thank you for that advice. Peter
Great video. You are clear and honest. You gave me the best information in an organized fashion that I have seen about this unit. And I have seen many. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Cheers. Peter
As always Peter a very good and professional review. Many thanks Mark
Hi Mark, Cheers. Peter
Mine is coming tomorrow. I’m excited about it. Nice review Peter.👍🏻
Great video ! Thanks for your test !
Hi Leo, Many thanks. Peter
Added the cyclone to my CTL26 and it is working very well. After 3 months use the bag is still practically empty.
Hi Brian, I change my bag about once a year as it will become discoloured with very fine dust. Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop good to know, thanks
Bought the CT 26 and Cyclone yesterday, go and collect them today. Prior to that used a 30 year old shop vac and a 5 gallon bucket cyclone you buy at the big box home ctr, very frustrating to try and use.
Well done - enjoy. Cheers. Peter
Peter - as soon as I saw this introduced a couple of months ago, I ordered one for a number of reasons. First, the Festool bags are expensive. This new cyclone, if it performs as expected, will cut the number of bags I use by a factor of up to 50. Second, in looking at the Festool CT extractors, it appears that the only difference between the 26, 36 and 48 is the capacity of the bag. They all run at 137 cfm. Even the hepa filters are the same size. With this cyclone, your capacity is much larger than the increased size of the bags as you go from 26 to 36 and 48 which makes buying the 26 a no brainer if you combine it with the "interceptor." Third, I had considered getting a cyclone before this (I was looking at the Oneida Ultimate - the one you reviewed that fits the CT26) but I kept procrastinating because it voided Festool's warranty. This cyclone obviously doesn't do that - so, for me, even if it wasn't %97.5 effective, I'd still buy it.
Hi Bob, I agree with you. Cheers. Peter
I'm in the states and have festool CT midi and on bigger jobs I bring my Oneida UDD that sits on top. What I do with the fleece filter bags is when they're new I cut the end off and wrap it around a 1/2" dowel that's 12" long and then when it comes time to empty it I just dump the contents and then use a leaf blower to blow out the remaining dust, it works good for me. The thing is with drywall dust and concrete dust is that it still makes its way to the fleece filter bag and clogs it up so I lose almost all the suction, it works good for wood dust though
I had the same issue with the price of bags, so I've been using a CV0? (earlier than the CV06) mini system from clearvuecylones. I've had it for many years and still haven't changed the CT bag. It works well in my workshop sucking up plywood, mdf, aluminium and metal shavings, sometimes covered in coolant. It's a bit cumbersome to drag around when working outside, having to move 2 units.
@@franktkalcevic5342 maybe you could make and adapter out of plywood that would sit on top of your vacuum and then have the clearvue cyclone sit on top, that way you could wheel it outside all in one go
Great review as always sir. Just taken delivery of mine from Axminster today. Have to say I'm very happy with it! I'm especially pleased that it fits within the WCR1000 unit I have mounted on my CTL 26. I'd have been sad to lose that convenience in my micro workshop. Thank you again Peter. Best wishes, Scott.
Hi Scott, Good to hear from you again. Many thanks. Peter
This Festool is impressive in its efficiency , only manufactures tools of high power of work is woonderful to have such a Tool i love Festool ,Peter beautiful hug vídeo.
Hi Marcos, Super, many thanks. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop thanks Peter.
That's nothing, Peter. You should try mixing plaster with your wife's Moulinex! Great video. Thanks.
In my opinion a very good and factual video - thank you for that!!!
At the moment i´m thinking about buying a festool extractor.
Because of my will to use the cyclone, i have to make the decision to buy the bigger model ct 26; in my first thought i want to get the "Midi model"...
Greetings from Germany
Olli
Now... if only Peter would be so kind to test it out with the CT-sys all would be fine and dandy ;)
Hi Mike, I will try but cannot promise as I am doing loads of stuff for other people whom I do not wish to let down. Peter
You are the only reviewer I trust! If you say:" It's good!" , then it sure is!
You are very kind. It has taken many years to create the trust in The New Brit Workshop and I will never risk losing all of that. I have had many offers over the years to make promotional videos and I will not do that. I only make videos about kit that I am prepared to recommend to my very best friend. Cheers. Peter
Great video as always Peter, thank you for sharing this with us. I may now have to invest in one. Cheers Dan
Hi Dan, Well if Dan the Chippie gets one then everyone will want one - leading from the front as usual, well done. Cheers. Peter
Very well done review and I am surprised at how efficient that cyclone is given it's size. It was never going to compete with a "traditional" cyclone but it's pretty darn good.
I run a dust deputy and I did once think about doing a test like yours but I quickly realised it would be silly. Having thrown away several large bucketfuls of waste, when I looked in my vacuum there was barely a tablespoon of bits that made it through and a slight discolouration of the filter. Impossible really to measure those kinds of numbers. For such a compact unit, the festool is impressive, I love my dust deputy and it's paid for itself many times over, but it is not terribly compact or portable.
I think that Festool must have spent a long time trying different designs and each time trying to get it more compact. People may complain about the price but there is no knowing how much time, effort and development money went into making something so neat. Cheers. Peter
Another great video. I would love to see a test done with a CT SYS and the Midi. For me personally one of the great bennifits of a dust seperator is the ability to reduce the bulk and size of the vacuun attached to it as really all it is now doing is providing suction. When shop space is limited this becomes important.
Hi Setchi, Many thanks. Peter
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Very good demonstration !
Hi Laurent, Many thanks. Peter
While I'd love one for my MIDI for finish and drywall sanding, the cost is crazy... >$400 USD for a couple pieces of plastic. I'm rigging an Oneida Dust Deputy on a roll around cart that will strap to the side (casters so it moves with the MIDI).
I've got an Oneida Super Dust Deputy XL (6") in front of my shop 1250 CFM dust collector that does an amazing job.
I use the Ultimate Dust Deputy with my CT and it is brilliant. Cheers. Peter
Another concise review, I’m keen to try it on the CT Sys also. Thank you Peter. Current UK price is £268.43 Inc VAT
PS. The dolphin emoji, leaping in the air. It is considered to be one of the most intelligent animals on Earth. (I call you Peter Perfect) ;-)
Hi James, I have had a last minute bump in my schedule and have a free day and so I am going to have a look at the CT Sys with the cyclone. Many thanks for the dolphin explanation - I suspect Flipper would be better than all of us if he could just hold Festool tools ! Cheers. Peter
Another excellent video Peter. But $AUD 614 for this accessory here in Australia is just another Festool price gouge. Their pricing policy always makes me consider other options.
I may not need one but that was an excellent review.
Hi Jim, Thank you. Peter
You should try the Dust Deputy for FESTOOL because it way more efficient then the CT 20.
Thanks Peter!
Peter, the video was excellent. I appreciate your practical review of the CT20. Since it is 97.5% efficient for most materials I would generate in my workshop or onsite, it is good enough particularly if I am not replacing the bag as frequently in the CT dust collectors. I am definitely going to try this vac on my CT-SYS system. It would be interesting to see how good it is with the smallest dust collector in the Festool line.
Hi Chuck, Do you think that you could replicate my test but with the CT Sys? I am tied up with some complicated work plus some appearances at shows here in the UK. Cheers. Peter
Peter, I should receive my CT20 after October 1 here in the USA. I will certainly give it a go. I am certainly interested in the performance.
It would be so much nicer and more stable in the stack if they had just provided a clear sys4 or sys5 for collection instead of the pan and clear wobbly collector.
There's one thing I don't quite grasp on those reviews. The main job of my vac is to prevent the dust to go to my lungs. The very fine dust in particular.
So I think we DON'T want for the cyclone to actually achieve a score too close to 100%, because it would mean that even the fine dust is now in the cyclone bag instead of the vac bag, to be released when you open your cyclone and close the bag.
I want the fine dust to be in the vac bag, which is the only one that will keep it there.
To know that 97.5% is a good score would mean we know there's only 2.5% of harmful dust in the samples.
Corollary point: you probably don't want to connect the cyclone when you do fine sanding because you absolutely want the fine dust to be in vac bag, and not in the cyclone bag.
I always wear a face mask when changing bags of my extractors and my cyclones. Peter
Hey Peter, thanks for the review. I’ll take your practical application test over any scientific ones. I just got off the fence.
Hi Gary, Cheers. Peter
Nice review Peter.
Just saw this at woodcraft here in the states. I have the dust deputy already and it works excellent. I take it to jobs when i know i will be making some serious dust. It is very bulky and black so you cant see through it. I would rather leave it in my shop.
I really like the clear dropbox and the low profile of the festool unit. Its on my radar. I dont have any huge drywall sanding jobs coming up (i use my rts 400 req and ro90 to sand entire jobs with) but, should one materialize im gonna pick that unit up and put it to the test.
Anyone considering a festool dust extractor purchase here me out. Ive been trying to kill my 1st ct 26 for 4 years or so now. I sand TONS of drywall mud, wood, old paint removal, woodworking and carpentry dust. Every time i pull a bag out to replace it the hepa filter is untouched by debris (that i can see at least). There is no other vac that i have ever used that can withstand this amount of drywall dust.
No i am not a festool salesman. Just saying that once you sand with this operation you will NEVER go back to your old ways.
Good day everyone. Hasnt stopped raining here in weeks and weve got florence heading in to dump more on us. Videos all day.
Hi William, Excellent stuff, many thanks. My CT 26 is about 7 years old now and it works as well as it did on day one. Good luck with that storm. Take care. Peter
You have to hand it to Festool. They observe the trends and needs of woodworkers and trades people and oblige. This is a good example. As is the auto-start bluetooth vac mod for cordless tools - something I was saying was needed a long time ago. My main problem with the CT20 VA is the whole drop box setup seems a bit clunky in terms of design for Festool. I can't help but think they could have done better. Perhaps the drop box being some sort of slide out cassette or some such so you don't have to dismantle? I see you mention the Oneida UDD below Peter. Why anyone would fork out for that is beyond me. You could replicate that by buying a used sys-4 or 5 for 40 quid and the cyclone unit from China for 4 quid. 50 quid or less total and 20 minutes to put together. Festools design is clearly a step up from that. Anyway, good review Peter.
Many thanks. I agree that Oneida pricing is a bit high. Comparing the UDD and Festool CT VA prices here in the UK I think that overall one is getting more for one's money with Festool as it fits in as part of the system. Cheers. Peter
Absolutely brilliant.
Make your wife a beautiful jewelry box BEFORE she watches this video. LOL.
Hi Pat, Not a bad idea ! Cheers. Peter
Of course, another great video. I'm currently looking at the Festool cyclone and the Oneida Ultimate DD. Having used both, which do you prefer and why?
Hi Derek, Both do what they are designed for and the choice will depend on your planned usage. The Festool intercepter is not as efficient as the UDD but is very portable and easy to set up. I would not use it in a static workshop but for the mobile warrior it is perfect. The UDD is excellent but cannot be moved easily from job site to job site. I would only recommend it for workshop use unless it can be used whilst still in the back of a van. I do use the UDD in the workshop and the Festool kit when doing really dusty jobs away from base but the need for the latter is reducing all of the time. Good luck. Peter
I do like this, but can’t justify the purchase. I thought long and hard about spending the extra that I did to get the ct26 over the midi, and real pleased I did but this is a stretch though, and I’m really not surprised Festool are charging a few hundred for it. I rushed to buy the HK85 (which is totally brilliant btw!) and naively thought the grooving unit would be in the box too... of course it’s almost as much again. It’s typical of a premium brand I guess.
Nice video though Peter, and great kitchen sink science. Love it!
How big is the plastic drop box? 10 litres? Love ur videos mate🙏
I think that it is much bigger than that - perhaps 25-30 litres. Peter
Even by Festool standards the price is insane. As an alternative it would probably possible to buy a couple of Tanos cases, design a cyclone that fit inside one of them in Fusion 360 and 3D print it along side some host adaptors...
Hi Andy, I do not know if you are a professional woodworker or keen amateur.... The time that it would take to save £250 (see Neil Dunlop's comment about FFX price) would be crazy. I doubt that it could be completed in less than 3 days and as a professional you can easily cover that but as an amateur you could do 3 days (say 20 hours) of overtime to cover the cost. And this assumes that whatever you could make would match the Festool performance. If you make one then you will have to make a video about it ! Peter
Or just tack an eBay sourced cyclone on top of a Makita size 4 box. Total cost about £45 and less than an hour. Also, I believe Festool America sell these for US$ 325 in the States
I use my £11 Chinese cyclone from eBay daily on site. Stuck it on top of a plastic bucket out of the skip.
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The festdrool cyclone wouldn’t fit onto my Hilti VC40 anyways and the cash I saved is going to take my family to legoland.
wouldn't it be great if the clear container was layered and collapsible so that two sustainers could fold up neatly when not in use
Yes, but that would fail as the collector would collapse as soon as the vacuum was switched on. Peter
The ct sys will have enough suction. I put a cheap 5 gallon bucket dust deputy on it and it pulls plenty. I wish it had suction control though😠
Interesting. Peter
I know that you did this a few years ago but even longer ago you reviewed the Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy. So why didn't you compare the two of them like you did your cobbled together dust deputy vs the ultimate?
Wish you would of shown the collection bag sucking full . I just purchased the Cyclone and put a line in it and when I fire it up it suck the bag wall inward and I'm trying to find out if that's normal
Hi Thomas, In the instructions I am sure that it says to make sure that the bag is pushed well into the corners of the drop box. Peter
As much of a nice looking package it is, £350 for what is essential a TStack with some perspex, a thien baffle and a bit of hose is obscene.
Hi Sam, You need to check the price of the Oneida UDD here in the UK - about £310 for some more plastic. I am afraid that sort of pricing is inevitable as the market is relatively small and plastic form tooling is very expensive. If you were making plastic dustbins that sell in the millions then the amortising works very nicely. Peter
Was wondering how much, guessed about £350. Was never gonna b cheap tho was it. Fair point peter
FFX sell it for £250 (but are out of stock until early October).
Hi Neil, That is a brilliant price and will kick Oneida into touch here in the UK. Cheers. Peter
Neil Dunlop Ho Neil so am selling it for £50 but cannot take orders until November because I am out of stock.
Always easier to ask forgiveness than permission, especially when wives are concerned.
Good video as always Peter. I wonder how much of that 16 grams is stuck to the inside of the hose and other internal parts on it's way to the cyclone drop box. I wish you had given the CT-SYS a try with the cyclone as I am thinking about that setup as a possibility for portable use when sanding and other tasks. Remember that test you did of the Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy with your test rig on the wall? I would like to see the CT20VA in a comparison to the Oneida UDD.
Hi Bob, All the test kit has gone now. We hope to be moving sometime this year and so I am busy (and probably recklessly) de-cluttering the workshop. Our next house may not have a large workshop and so things have to go. Peter
Thanks for a great video Peter, do you know if it will work with the CTL MIDI GB 240V R which I have.
Hi Steve, Yes it will function as it should. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Thanks Peter, much appreciated
Hi Steve - could I ask pls - did you end up getting it for the midi? If you did, did it work well and suction remained strong pls? Thank you
@@thepreparedcandidate3237 hi, I haven’t, mainly due to cost and space. Firstly, I have 3 Festool dust extractors so buying 3 is not an option right now. Secondly, they do take up less space than others you see on RUclips but unfortunately, bad design of my workshop initially has meant space for them is not an option. I am still interested but funds seem to get spent elsewhere. Sorry
Peter
As per your suggestion to see what others are saying I have just watched a review of the Festool cyclone by the WoodWhisperer. He concurs with your view that it separates well, but he has an issue with the impact on suction, especially with a larger diameter hose. I would be interested in your thoughts on his perspective.
Thanks in advance,
Terry.
Hi Terry, Putting a larger hose on the Festool cyclone is not going to improve things much if at all as there is a constriction in the inlet to the cyclone which is at least as small as the inner diameter of a 27 mm hose. I am hoping to borrow a Festool planer soon and am fairly confident that the combination of planer, 27 mm hose and CT with the cyclone will be effective. Peter
Thanks for the reply Peter. If I understand the WoodWhisperer's video correctly it is not that he thought the large hose would improve things, rather that the drop in suction was most dramatic with it. A drop in suction of over 30% is pretty significant and it was much more with the Festool cyclone than the clearview one he used as a comparison. You may be right that it is down to the narrow pipe as the drop in suction for a narrower hose was less than with the larger one and comparable between the two cyclones tested.
It woild be good when you test with the planer if you could see what the collection of chips is like with and without the cyclone.
Thanks again.
Many thanks for a great review. It’s something that I think could be a good investment for me but I do use a lot of mdf and wondered if you’ve tested with a good amount of the horrible fine dust. My dewalt L class mains extractor seems to cope better than my dewalt flexvolt m class where mdf is concerned but I’m not totally happy with either and looking to come over to festool to cure my issues. What are your thoughts.
Hi Ian, The more that gets taken out before it gets to the extractor the more efficient the extractor will be at protecting your environment. Peter
Peter - which cyclone is the clear one above the garbage can and does the "input" tube (from the side) enter the cone at 90 degrees to the cone or does it enter so that the incoming dust hits the side of the cyclone? It appears to enter at 90 degrees but, maybe that's an illusion based on the camera angle.
The cyclone was made by Cyclone Central who no longer exist. The input (dust coming in) tube is such that it hits the side smoothly, almost at zero degrees, not straight on at 90 degrees. Peter
Hello Sir Peter, hope all is well! Love your videos. I was wondering if you can do performance comparison video of the Oneida dust deputy vs the festool ct cyclone. Or if not what would be your recommendation between the two if any? Thanks!
The Dust Deputy would win but the difference may not be enough for anyone with limited space or a travelling workshop (trades person). Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, thank you for this nice informative video. One question, isn't this a problem that the clear container isn't T-locked to the lower systainer?
Hi Jeremie, I wondered about that but it is very stable and it did not pose an issue over the 10 days that I was using it. Peter
What is your preference in disk sander if you could only afford one sander. These are very expensive
Hi Thomas, That is easy - the Festool ETS EC 150. It is the sander that I use 95% of the time. Peter
Hi Peter, I have ctl 26 sometime tank reservoir capacity not enough and I don't want cyclone system too my question is ctl48 bottem reservoir will fit to my ctl26 up part? Just wanna upgrade bottem capacity!
Seem to me same dimension just hight differant.
Thanks
I really do not know and have no way of checking apart from visiting a dealer with both in stock. The CT26 and CT48 have the same motor (as far as I know) and so it is only bag capacity that is different. Mind you, I may be out of date with the new machines so it is best to check. Peter
@NewBritWorkshop thanks for the replay.i will go dealer try it if is fit than I will safe lots of money👍
Do you need to use a bag to get a good seal? I have a pile of chips and sawdust out in the woods behind my shop. I wouldn't send the dust and chips to the landfill in a bag, I'd just dump the bin out back and use it without a bag.
Even if not required, I'll probably use a bag when I use it for sanding drywall in my house.
Hi Pete, No need to use a bag at all. I compost all of my planer shavings and it works really well. Peter
Hi chaps. I too was wondering that. I can see the need for a bag to avoid fine dust getting into my lungs when emptying, but for large planer shavings - I use the HL850 in a cradle as a mini jointer, this would be ideal (even bagless). As an amateur woodworker (hoping to turn pro one day), I get through a pack of bags for the CT26 in a month. This would pay for itself in a year for sure. Granted, there are cheaper options on the market, but in my micro workshop, I'm 'ok' buying into a system that is so considered and compact - even if it does cost me a tidy bit more. Great review as always Peter. Many thanks. Scott.
Hi Scott, You will not regret your decision as it is good kit. Many thanks. Peter
Hi Peter, great video as always, have you done your suction test and compared to the ultimate dust deputy?
Hi Jim, No, I got rid of the measuring kit ages ago. Peter
I wish you would compare this to the Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy, and secondly, perform the same linear suction test that you did with the Oneida UDD to see how they compare to each other. Nice video otherwise. Thank you.
I have got rid of my test rig but can tell you that from a straight "best guess" the Festool kit is about 5 % less efficient than the Oneida but that hardly matters in the long term. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Now it makes sense why they weren't compared (no test rig anymore). Thank you very much for the response and for the additional information. I'm on the fence on which one to get (UDD vs CT20 VA) as many people are reporting noticeably less suction once the CT20 VA is added to the mix. Thanks again Peter.
@@TheWizzyWizard Old post but what did you end up doing, and are you happy with your choice? I'm on the fence between these two as well. And to add to the mix, the new DD is supposed to be 20% more efficient!
Has anyone measured the CFM or suction in inches of water before and after using the cyclone? I'd be curious about it...
The Wood Whisperer has
Peter, first thanks for your work, you are my beacon in the "Festool essentials jungle"! Maybe you answear this in the video (between the lines), so, herer I go shooting from the hip. Would you say that the CT26 + Cyclone would work ok for a small bench top planer (like the Makita 2012)?
Hi Henrik, Yes it will work. The Festool cyclone does not capture as much dust as the taller, more efficient, Dust Deputy style of interceptor but it is very compact and easier to integrate with the "CT Stack". Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Thats great, and just what I wanted to hear :) Thank you Peter! /Henrik
Great vid again thank you Peter. How do you think it compares to the Oneida dust deputy fella ?
Hi Craig, As far as I can see the 97.5% efficiency of the Festool machine must be close to that of the UDD. For the tradesman it is easier to handle and to transport. Peter
I was thinking that for transporting to a job it did look excellent. We have the Oneida dust deputy's in our workshop. We find they are a bit to cumbersome due to the height of the complete units when taking them to site. Though I don't think we will replace the workshop units with the FestoolCT20 VA as the Oneida's have been doing great. But getting one for taking to site would be very handy indeed. We purchased 2 of the Oneida units after watching your video when you did that brilliant test with the suckometer (as we call it ). Thanks again Peter we all appreciate the time and effort you put into you videos. Informative and entertaining. Kind regards Craig (another wood butcher)
Another excellent video Peter, thank you. Where did your 4” outlet/inlet cyclone interceptor come from as I would very much like to buy one?
Hi David, The supplier has now ceased trading but I am hoping that another product of this type is available soon. Peter
Thanks Peter, are you expecting this ‘new’ product to be stocked by Axminster?
Not sure yet. I did try a specialist company but the tooling was too expensive. Peter
I would have thought that there would be thousands of guys like me who would buy one of these to improve the performance and efficiency of their extraction...good luck, I hope you are able to find someone to manufacture this very useful product. Many thanks
Have you made a video with the an sys & ct sys? I'm considering that setup.
Hi Andrew, Try this ruclips.net/video/66UqgLJp1w0/видео.html Peter
Nice vid peter. Can you please tell me where you got the 100mm cyclone from please?
Hi Graham, The cyclone came from a young chap running a company called Cyclone Central. Either he went bust or decided to do something else and so there is no more kit from him. I had done some videos of his kit and have removed them in order to not mislead people. Peter
Yes i have been trying to get on there site but no luck. Thanks for the info
Given that this isn't really a cyclone, it's actually a thien baffle - I'd like to see how much suction the vac is losing. Thien baffles have good separation, but they lose a lot of suction compared to a real cyclone.
Do you know a good method of measuring that ? Peter
I completely agree with your comment, we have a dust deputy in our jobs here in the US and just picked up a product called a dustopper which uses a thien baffle design on top of a universal bucket, you would not believe how much suction loss there is at the end of a 16' 36mm hose, you can barely hear the sound of air being pulled through the end of the hose, using the same hose on the dust deputy works great and you can really hear the air whizzing through it. Peter would you be able to do water lift test using this to see how much loss there is?
I find it a little odd that you ask that question, given that you've actually done the exact test you'd need on the Oneida version a few years back! Anyway, yes - a similar test to this one ruclips.net/video/ZXFcnJ_LUvk/видео.html that you did on the Oneida would be very much appreciated! I've been trying to decide which version I'm going to get. Your video is the first real look I've gotten at the "cyclone". I understand why Festool made it that way - to save space - but I'd be really curious to know how the suction is. I'm not a contractor, my vac gets used in my shop, so space isn't as much of an issue. Thanks!
I'm with you - I'd imagine that Festool would only have used it if they managed to make one that was pretty effective, but it still seems an odd choice. The idea must have been in an effort to make the unit as compact as possible. Who knows though - they've made some pretty clever stuff, and maybe there is more than meets the eye in this case.
My test setup for the UDD is long gone and that only measured static pressure - there was some criticism of that at the time. Peter
What about your static pressure gauge you used for oneida ultimate?
Hi Magnus, That went ages ago but a good idea. Cheers. Peter
Wonder how it performs if two were double stacked?
Hi Graham, I would not bother with that. Peter
Hi there. I'm just wondering how perform the ct sys with this cyclone? Specially because i d'ont have enough place in my workshop to buy one of the big boys. So this little one + cyclone could be a nice solution... If it works :)
Hi Dragheim, You are in luck - I have decided to make a video about it which will be released soon. With the CT Sys I measured it as 98% efficient. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Thank you
if you doubled up two ct sys into a y into separator you would have 2000 watt double airflow into the separator. would be insane you could run 50 mm hose
How do you like your Festool vac/ Does it really keep your shop clean. I love wood work but hate the saw dust.
Hi Thomas, It works really well . It is very efficient, has auto switch on and has served me without failure or fault for over 10 years. Peter
Thank you Peter. Very helpful video. I am considering getting the ct sys vac and the cyclone seperator. Would you think the ct sys vac would be adequate enough. I was under the impression the suctions are all similar and it's only the capacity it contains is different. What is your thought a d knowledge on the matter. Your input is ultimately going to help me with my decision.
Kind regards, Harry (Australia)
Hi Harry, The CT Sys does not have the same amount of suction as the CTL range and using it with the cyclone reduces it a bit. If you are sanding or using the Domino then this would not be a big deal. If you are using any saw (TS or Kapex) then you need the extra suction that the CTL range can give you. I appreciate that the CT Sys and cyclone look like a good combination but is really does depend on what tools you expect to support. I imagine the CTL 26 would be less than the combination of the CT Sys and cyclone. You can then add your own cyclone. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop thank you for your reply. I watched your other video with the ct sys and cyclone. From my understanding the suction amount was around 98%. Compared to your previous tastings with the ct26.
Am I missing something. Your reply is always much appreciated.
Hi Harry, Did I give a precise figure. Others have experienced similar results but there will be a drop. Peter
I will wait until Lidl produces one for £30.😀
We use the Oneida dust deputy on our jobs here in the states and we just picked up a product called a dustopper which uses a thien baffle design on top of a universal bucket, it was half the price but you would not believe how much suction loss there is at the end of the hose, using the same hose on the dust deputy is great compared to it so cheaper isn't always better
Hi Peter. Great video as usual. Went into my festool supplier here in UK yesterday to ask about this and the festool mw1000 and they had not even heard of either. Thanks to see your putting your life in danger to help us all by angering the wife gods. Do you know if you will be lucky enough to be testing the mw 1000 soon? Thanks Cameron
Ps I run the midi so unfortunately it won't work on mine but at least I know now thanks to your great review
Hi Cameron, I am hoping to borrow an MW1000 when they are released but these things are never certain. I really like what I have seen but want to check how stable it is. I may be doing some major property renovation next year and if it is good enough I will get one then. Peter
How much is the CT 20?
Take a look at the Festool site in your country - here it is about £350. Peter
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I do not speak emoticon - I hope that it says something nice ! Peter
This has to be one of the best ripoff I have seen from festool. I will not be buying it
Hi Roland, Perhaps you should look at a test done by a chap in the US. He put 25 pounds of dust and debris through and only got 2 ounces in his CT bag. That is a lot better than the results that I achieved, ruclips.net/video/LeihbzUhKlU/видео.html Peter
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the review , I love your Chanel .
I use my festool CT36E AC HD vac with a saw for cutting out windows and doors here in Ireland in domestic home, as a result it creates a lot of concrete dust .
My vac is brilliant and collects all the dust, I came across your videos on the festool cyclone and the Oneida cyclone.
I buy a lot of filters for my vac because after a while the filter gets so clogged and the suction drops ( this is not a flaw , it’s from use and filters are a wearable part any way)
My question is which is better , the festool cyclone or the Oneida or can you recommend one for me that will work with my festool vac , it needs to be portable .
Here is a link to my video showing you what I use it for
ruclips.net/video/FLKTgTzhup8/видео.html
Thanks peter
Hi Alan, The Festool unit is quite compact and surprisingly efficient. However, it is not quite as good as the Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy. The reason for this is that the Festool solution is more squat and so cannot quite achieve as much dust separation. If space and ease of transport is important then get the Festool solution. If you are happy to stick the Oneida on top of your CT then get that instead. Both will save you a lot of money on dust bags. The difference in efficiency is small. The size and weight difference is significant if you are in and out of customers' houses. A very nice video and a good advert for your work. Peter
New Brit Workshop hi Peter thanks for you reply , I bought the festool cyclone , I’ll let you know how I get on with it after a few months of work .
@@thewindowrepairpeople8118 What is your experience with CT20 VA after one year?
I truly hope your wife didn’t stave you for long😃
I hope so too
@@NewBritWorkshop 😊😊
Great bit of kit , unfortunately as usual from Festool what a complete rip off
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Hi Jason, This is not an advertisement. It has been made to inform the woodworking community about a new product. I have not been paid to do this nor received any gifts but I do get money from the advertising that gets placed on my videos. If you want no product tours like this then how on earth will people find out about new kit? If someone dares to say that a product that they show in a video is excellent are they to be banned because they made an honest statement? Peter
I simply subscribed to watch a talented woodworker make something sorry I’ve upset you i will unsub and find people who make things regards jason
jason sanders Don't worry, Peter.....a lot of us watch your channel specifically for your equipment reviews. I bought my first Festool tool after watching your reviews, having previously thought they were too expensive to consider. Since then I've bought masses of Festool stuff and always check out your helpful reviews before buying.