Why I am selling the 701 enduro for the honda crf450L | 701 enduro vs Honda 450L review
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450l for the win. Vortex ecu fmf full exhaust, ims pegs, seat concepts super grip seat etc. my mechanic test rode my bike. He fell in love with it. He said, Ktm’s keep his shop open. He’s worked on enough to know to buy the Honda. His words, not mine. 👍
Went through this phase many years ago. Had a 650. Got more interested in trails. Sold the 650 for a 450. Loved the 450 but missed the 650 on the road. Now I have a 690 and a 500. I enjoy them both for different reasons. Having multiple bikes is the ideal situation.
I'm enjoying my CRF450L up here in Vancouver BC. Riding year round and customizing the bike as I go.
Good vid . My friends got 701s but being a smaller dude i went with a 450rl. Can't wait to get out with the guys! I have a 200 for the gnarly stuff.
I took my crf450l around europe in the back of my camper for 8 months. TET loops, exactly like you want to do. 10k km of varying off road. I'm an average rider and it was all I needed. Good travels
Awesome terrain to hit the trails!, I’d say, nothing could go wrong with the CRF450L with the type of riding you do. I think you’d love to come down here to Peru and do some real Gnarly terrain 🙌🏻
I've owned both a 19 crf450l and a 20 500excf. Both good bikes, but the Honda needed much more modifications for singletrack such as a Vortex and a pipe. It's also heavier. On the plus side the Honda vibrates a little less on the road. After owning both for a year I sold the Honda as I overall preferred the KTM.
it is a tough call between the 2. I think he mentioned the 500ktm but he wanted more comfort more than anything since he probably will be doing a lot more road still. He also has a 2 stroke for single track that he mentioned, so I think the 450L for solo exploring is the way to go for him.
Great review Will. The 2021 450 CRFRL has fixed the stall issue and no vortex is required and increased the flywheel weight for better low speed torque. I’m seriously looking at the 2021 model and its apparently great on the road. I currently ride a BMW1200GSA, KLR650, Husky 250. Wish Honda would make this in an adventure model with a big tank, heated grips, descent seat and windscreen.
Vary solid reasoning. The best part is having two bikes. Since you have a 250TPI, that Honda makes sense for your stated needs. Good vid by the way.
Greetings from Pueblo west! Just found your channel. Subscribed and liked👏🏻. I have a 2015 Ktm adv. 1190r. Kicking around trading down.
You make some good points! 500lbs(my bike) on a slow slippery single track can be exhausting, but tons of forest roads. I do need a second off road bike 😅
Thanks for your insights. All good points. But I don't like the 1K oil changes. But with your truck with you that may not be a problem.
Dude!! 💯 I have a 250xc for gnar, and I chose the 450l for the same reasons over the 500 or 690. I’m still happy two years later. 2t for hard enduro, 4t for everything else.
Your videos have amazing quality!! I agree there is that small "thing" we look for in a dual sport bike. I currently ride the KLX250S and would love to upgrade to the 450L someday. Maybe when there's a used market for them compared to all the "new" pricing. I do the same, I haul my bike to the destination and ride out from there as most bikes aren't comfortable for longer periods of time. The off road use of these bikes are phenomenal. Thank you for so many great reviews
thanks buddy I appreciate it! I am in the same boat, waiting for a better used market. I also heard the 2021 really make a pretty different ECU mapping, so its riding and fuel delivery is much better and smoother. waiting for them to come out so I can hopefully test ride one
RideWithWill absolutely, looking forward to your next review!
I'd keep the 701 and buy a used 250 to 350 cc lightweight trail thrasher. I've witnessed first hand of some people taken 450s on some gnarly shit and getting winded and had the crap beaten out of them on the 450 and the peeps on the 250 were showing them how it was done with ease.
He should have kept the 701 because he has a TE250 1 stroke as well. The justifications for the 450 make no sense
@@jjjjjjjjrifufjssjosskenfit doesn't sound like the 701e is better on the street or on the trail... Late to the party, but I'm currently considering selling my 701e for a 450l.
Wonderfull review !!
and thats why i always say the crf450l is a bridge Bike its the Bridge between a DualSport and a SportEnduro. A Bike which is silent comfy and very good on the Road for traveling but also can compete with the pure Enduro Bikes... and that is what the crf450l realy is !
Hey Will, been following you for a while. Like you I too had a Klx250s but not a fuelie. A couple of years and I felt I could use more power so, pumper carb and BB351 kit. That satisfied me for a few more years but started pinning for a 450l. Took the plunge a few weeks ago and though its stock and not yet fully broken in, loving it so far. Throttle response is pretty abrupt but I am getting used to it. Much more power than the 351 super responsive, fuel mileage is similar as well but tank is tiny so looks like auxiliary tank or aftermarket is in my future. Good luck and keep us posted.
thanks buddy! I ridden a 351 BB and it was a nice jump but def not like the crf450L. it was def a much different quality. the crf450L you can tell it was a much more aggressive machine. But I am def keeping my KLX250!
Very interesting video, you have given the matter a lot of careful thought and as a 3 times 690 owner (now on a 2021) I can sympathise with your view. We all have to make compromises because sadly nobody has actually ever built a unicorn yet (Come on Yamaha forget the overweight T7, where is the WR45R Rally that we all really want?) so we are all forced to sacrifice one aspect for others. Because I don't trailer but travel long distance adventure travel, I stick with the 690 but if I owned a RV I personally would get a 500/501, but I appreciate you need to have something in the middle and have thought very hard about the reasons. My only concern on the 450 is the standard suspension but that can be fixed.
Getting back to moto after decades of MTB trail and travel and I appreciate the views and info. I'm weird about all the weight because I know I will want to trail ride in my CO home and I can't imagine it being fun on a heavier bike. I'm gonna pay for it and probably go used instead of new, but I'm looking more KTM EXC or 450L than even a 300L. I'm okay with the extra work on something like that and I'm okay with the road limitations. I'm also bigger and want the power and better suspension under me. Glad I'm being patient with it all because once I get it I'm usin it every day I can! (Don't dig snow and ice riding. No sir!) I'm also glad people take the time to make vids because my friends are trying to get me as broken on a 250 two-stroke as I've done on a mountain bike LOL I would want a 701 of 690 if'n I traveled all of North America for a year and was covering ground most of the time
Did you end up buying a CRF450L? If so, can we expect a review anytime soon? I’m debating the 450l vs 690/701 and your insight has been very valuable.
You sum it up really well. I bought the CRF450L to be my light adventure setup that I carry on my bigger adventure setup, a 4x4 dodge ram 2500 cummins with a minimalist pop-up camper in the back. That motorcycle on the hitch, loaded up with hiking camping gear + the truck as a basecamp is my definition of perfection since I tried it. My only regret buying the CRF450L is that I did not buy it earlier hahaha That motorcycle is a blast, even stock.
It is funny 'cause I had a klr650r before, and it felt too heavy for the single track. Then to balance it I bought a husqvarna TE510. That thing was a freaking beast, but it was uncomfortable as hell on the highway while now the CRF is so well balanced. Performs equally to the Te510 due to its smoother power delivery offroad, but waaaaaay better on the 1 or 2h highway rides here and there.
100% man! before I was all about traveling from my house which is why I picked the 701 enduro and added a windshield. but now, with a truck camper and a camping out off the camper for 2 or 3 days, I feel like its almost pointless to have the 701. I might as well get something lighter, and honestly 2k mile oil changes is still a lot for mostly offroad usage. I change my 701 every 1k because I mostly hit dirt roads.
I could have narrated this video myself, with the exact same opinions. I live in vancouver BC, it’s about a 1hr Highway ride to the trailhead of service roads. And some very great, highly technical west coast single track. I also camp with my family and can bring a dual sport for small adventuring right out of the provincial parks. So I own a 450 L, and a Husky 300 Two stroke for the gnar days. I love single track, and didn’t want a dual sport to suffer badly in the woods. And the 700s are just too big. The 500 is the best single slayer but it’s very buzzy and lightly planted on the highways. The 450L has a very, very broad amount of uses. I also love ripping around the city on it. Everybody needs a dual sport! 🤙🏻
Honda really hit it out of the park with the 450L, I really like the 450x, to me it's the DRZ replacement, with much better tunable suspension, and uncorked it has plenty of power. I hope to see in the future the Honda's going 20k miles before head and valve work. DRZs for my style of riding always good to 12k miles!!!!!
Times are good unless your looking to buy a bike, In Salt Lake, finding a used or new bike, harder than it used to be. Can't wait to see if someone drops a nice 2022 on us.
You have a CRF450L, 701 or KTM 500, your already a winner, have fun!!!!!!!
Will!! Love your videos!! Take a look at tje Beta line. The all weigh 250 lbs. The 390 seems to be the best but there is a 430 and a 500 and you can get two different larger fuel tanks. Just a thought and they have great reviews.
thanks buddy! A beta 500 is something I am looking at as well. sadly everything is sold out at my local areas, so just going to wait
@@RWWRENTAL Beta 500 will be the most hardcore offroader in this class. Stick with 450L for road comfort.
I want the Beta 430 for woods riding.
I just picked up a 21 crf450rl last week and have enjoyed every minute of it
Cool, please make a video review!
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I can tell you I haven't regretted my crf450l once in the last year and lots of people comment to me I should have got the 701. Out my front door I have better pavement rides but I didn't want a heavier bike. I can trailer to some good fireroads though. I haven't done much single track yet but I stiffened the suspension so I could go to the track with my kids as well. The platform can basically be anything you want it to be. Subscribing from here to see how this ends up!
one of my riding buddies hates riding his 690 on singletracks.. i basically gotta beg him to follow me and my himalayan though them, haha. you picked the right bike mate.
@@0xsergy my buddy just picked up a 500exc to ride that stuff because it was so much work with his 690. I had no problem following the 690 with a klx250 in the tight stuff. The open stuff was a different story.
Pretty sure I'll be getting a 450l this summer to ride with either of his bikes ( the 250 is his as well, sold my bike during a move)
OMG ...you live in offroad HEAVEN .... I live here in the commie state of Massachusetts where offroad riding is pretty much outlawed except in a few spots in Western MA. We have NOTHING compared to what you have out West there. On a scale of 1 to 100 you guys are at 100 and New England is like a 10. I so envy you and the beautiful trails and scenic views. Loved the video 👍🏻👍🏻
I live in VT and agree--very few off-road tracks in New England. We use to have more tracks but land owners are closing their land more and more. NH has some OK off road trails but you can't have a modified exhaust and have to drive slow or you'll get tickets
Get the hell out of New England!
Nice video. Although I have the 701, I do think about the 450L all the time. Until then, though, could you tell me what windscreen you have on your 701?
awesome videos both are great bikes id probably go with the 701 over the 450
Very informative! Thanks for sharing! Cheers! 👍🏻🍻🇺🇸
I’d miss the power of the 701.
Awesome video, what camera did you use?
Hi Will i have the Honda 450L for little Adventure riding its a great bike amazing Suspension a truly a great bike everybody is saying the maintenance is a pain it does not take much time to change the oil i have a Vortex and a pipe on mine
i have a VFR 800 for the road and a Sherco 300 SE factory for tight single track
the Honda will still be going in 20 years
Hi from Spain!!! where did u buy ur windshield? Thanks bro! nice video!
I have owned my 450L for more than a year and a half now and it has been boringly reliable over 3,000+ miles. I have been stretching my OCI's to 1,000 miles and I have been keeping an eye on things with Blackstone OAR's and everything has been perfect. It came down to the KTM 500/Husky 501and the Honda 450L for myself as well. I ended up with the Honda for a few reasons. 1) It was cheaper and had a far better dealer network in my area 2) I have owned Honda's since my youth and they have always proven to be the most reliable machines and 3) It bridged the gap between being a true plated Enduro like the KTM/Husky/Beta and a full on Dual Sport like the 701. It simply has the best road manners in its class while still being right there with the others in the off-road department.
I shed quite a bit of weight on mine rather easily and it has all of the power one could ask for with the addition of exhaust and the Vortex ECU. I have ridden mine on some extremely technical single track and while it's no two-stroke 300 it can still get it done and with much less effort and strain than that of the 701. When slabbing it on tarmac it is surprisingly tame and well mannered for its class.
For the most part, the aftermarket has quickly caught on and there are some really good options out there for it. I've had mine up to 13,000+ ft on the Alpine Loop with no issues and north of 90 mph when there's space to open her up. Don't get me wrong, I have owned my fair share of orange bikes and I prefer them for the tight woods when a smoker is necessary, but I honestly think that the 450L/RL is the best all around bike in its class. Oddly enough, I plan to add a middle weight ADV bike to my stable next year, most likely the Yamaha Tenere 700 or KTM 790/890 so that I can do more rides leaving out from my front door.
Best of luck with your decision, it's hard to go wrong with your list of options and all of them will put a smile on your face. Hit me up on ADVRider (@tex68w) if you have any questions about the bike.
Would you still choose the 450 over a KTM 500 ? I’m in the same debate
Hi Will! I am curious, what is on your windscreen at 6:04?
Service intervals for the Honda are considerably less than the 10,000km for the 701. Plus oil change every 1000km on the Honda!
The thing is, is it like the XR650R I go 5,000 miles or so with oil changes and I have over 100,000 miles and it's still running. Most people don't race and thus they don't need to follow oil changes to a T.
The oil changes are easy on the CRF.
@@LaneHadway127 Follow John T Young’s site. He probably has the most modified CRF around and has been looking into his oil life
@@LaneHadway127 still it gets annoying doin them all the time.
More bikes are always a better solution. 300 XC, 701 and Super T owner here.
One thing the 701 does exceptionally well is make the canyon roads leading to the riding area a lot more fun to ride. I recognize quite a few of those trails, we must be neighbors 😏
and to think I started trail riding on a Honda CB350 with knobbies at 12 years old. Now that was a heavy trail bike.
I have a 2020 500 exc-f and absolutely love it. It’s lighter then the 450L.
Great video! Where is the trail at the 2:40 mark?
Hi, hear what ye saying and agree. The one thing that turned me away from 450L is the manual suggested engine rebuild at 39k km's (if I remember correctly). At that stage, one was unsure if these specs were directly translated from the 450X manual and not updated for 450L.
What is this for 701? Is one looking at the same hrs/ km's before engine rebuild?
As you will notice by the profile pic I'm still on the old single. Ready to move to a lighter more modern ride. Most that owned the G650X range move onto 690/ 701. I on other hand would prefer 450, but has become reluctant.
I have a 2013 KTM 500 EXCF. 8,000 miles now and it has been awesome. It has the power to handle highway travel. 75 MPH all day long with plenty more on the throttle. Weighs 248 which is much lighter than the 450L. Awesome on the single track. Just finished Sand Flats in Moab and it did great. Think about it. It's a great bike. And don't think I'm a KTM loyal person. I also have a Honda Africa Twin.
If you're going to be hauling the bike to campgrounds and trailheads (which is exactly what I do), I'd say forget the focus on highway comfort and just get the best dirt bike with a plate. The vast majority of your fun will be made or lost in the single track, not on the highway. The slight bump in comfort on the occasional highway stretch from the 450L will not outweigh the increased fun in the single track every time on a 500. The 500 will be just fine on the highway for an hour. Personally, I took it one step further and decided just to avoid highways entirely and went with what I think is the best single track dirt bike that comes from the factory with a plate, the Beta 390 RR-S.
been following you for a while. I know you have a 2 stroke already and it seems you only want to keep that for your single track only days. if you are looking for something with more road comfort than a ktm 500 like you said, then a crf450L is right in the middle. Ive also ridden both and the crf450L is definitely more comfortable but the 500 is a much better single track bike. but based on your need, and if you plan on using this by yourself and comfort is a huge factor for you since you want to hit highways based on what you mentioned, I think maybe a Beta 500 also. its a bit more heavier than the ktm 500. but a crf450L seems to be the perfect mix. hard choice
ya its a tough battle between the 3. I also been looking at the Beta 500. I think what I am going to do, is let time pass with the truck camper and see what kind of riding I really plan on doing. the Beta500, I sat on it and it def felt more heavier than the ktm 500. I know the 500 series will always be a better single track bike and the crf450L will be a better on road bike
I bought a WR 250 F best bike I've ever owned. FUN Fun Fun!
I assume you're thinking about buying the CRF450RL, if so it'll be interesting to see how the new model performs.
Dang dude, you should call your channel "Every time I make a video I have a new bike". Good for you brother. Find that grail setup.
lmao! tbh dont think I will ever find the perfect set up lol
Just sold my 450L for a smaller bike that suits my needs better. Probably going to be the new 300L.
The somewhat strong subframe on the CRF450L is handy.
Both are for different purposes. 701 enduro have an oil service intervel of roughly 10,000 kms where crf 450 L have roughly 1000 kms - that says it all
Kelse that is what I pointed, 701 is more road / touring focus than 450 L, and 450 L is for hard enduro - that’s why small oil change kms. If you take 701 to trails or hard enduro may be you need to change oil every 5000 or 6000 kms but not below that for sure like the 450 L. But if ride the 450 on road you need to change oil like in every 2000 kms at least - that is the way it designed - this is what I understood
I think you kind of missed the point of this video. It evens out for him since he no longer rides on the street as much and has a truck camper. so I agree with him, what is the point of the 701 enduro when he can have something lighter and just as comfortable as the 701 when you are mostly going to be trailering it on the back of the truck camper. the crf450L will be much more better on single track vs the 701.
I did the Husky 450fe.....perfect for exploring the forrest!
The 450l is super interesting, check out John T Young, he is up in Snowmass and has a super tricked out 450L he's ridden all over
thanks man! ill check him out!!
Yeah that channel is really good, love his bike
Agree. Watching John's vids will be informative.
I owned a 450L for a little while, I really enjoyed it on the roads/double track, however it had a very twitchy throttle which was fine on the road (you got used to clutching a lot in first gear). On the trail however after an hour of riding it felt like my arms were getting pulled off (I'm not the best rider so I was in first gear a ton). I ended up getting a 350EXCF, it has a much more linear power band and is always predictable on the trail, while maintaining highway worthiness (not 450L with seat concepts seat worthiness, but I can comfortably ride at 70 mph for a while). I do hear good things about the pipe/vortex mod fixing the twitchy throttle though.
You still happy with the 350 over the 450?
Thanks for the video, as always great job man. I’m trying to decide what bike to buy, the 701, or a Tenere 700. I want a bike I can ride off road, but also do longer multi-day adventure trips on, would the 701 be a good bike for that?
thanks buddy I appreciate it. multiple long day trips, the T7 will be a much better choice. I am actually in the verge of test riding one soon and going to take it on 50in trails and single track to see how it does and of course road testing and will make a few videos on it. no questions asked, the T7 can do technical trails, but I think its more of a fitness thing at that point. but im curious how fast it will wear me out as a "normal trail rider" vs the 701 enduro
What did you end up buying?
I think you should look at the KTM/Husky 350 as well. They can handle everything you just mentioned.
100% Ive been eyeing them as well. im going to let some time pass and see how my riding shifts. My thing is, am I REALLLY going to do highway runs? if im really not going to, then a 350 would be best
The 350 exc is just a miserable thing on a highway at 70.
No argument with your viewpoint except your comments on KTM four stroke reliability. I've been riding KTMs for 15 years now and have found them stone axe reliable. I've owned Hondas as well and I find KTMs simpler machines to maintain. The new Honda 450L does look great from a dual sport perspective, enjoy your new ride!
you are 100% right. to be honest, I am yet to find a KTM with an issue around Colorado. some little things here and there but my husky te250i has been more reliable than all my bikes so far..oddly enough lol. even my drz400. could be due to the trails I take it on as well. thanks for watching buddy
@@RWWRENTAL you also mentioned going 70 or 80 miles an hour in your video. The CRF is not going to be able to handle that for sustained time. I've test ridden four them so far. All four with different mods. 60 miles per hour with stock gearing is good.
@@chiptaxfree believe me, with stock ECU it will handle it without problems ! its engine is detuned exactly for this... the gear selector switch tells the ecu which gear you are in and the ECU does have 4 fuel maps and 4 ignition maps. 1-3 gear runs the most aggressive mapping 4 5 6 gear are different especialy the 6gear map ... it got mild ignition timing and different fueling at higher rpms to keep the engine cool, it also have a lower rev limiter in 6th ....
But you are absolute right yes 60mph is a nice cruising speed on the crf with he stock gearing.... feels very relaxed and ok at this speed
@@ramiretz Thanks that helps me. I have a Beta 300 rr , 500 exc, and 690 r, I want to sell both KTMs and get a 450l. 3 bikes is to many!
@@chiptaxfree im glad it helped you a lil bit for your decision. For me the 450L fits perfect couldn't be more happy. Before i had 6 Bikes and none made me 100% happy, the 450L does everything i want.... i can make comfy longer distance trips and still have a very good capable dirtbike under my butt.
the only thing you should consider is a Seatconcepts Seat if you want to do longer distance trips because the 450L seat is the same from the 450R Cross and after 100km road you will feel it
and give the engine time to break in and free up ... 2000km/1300miles on conventional mineral oil.. after that the twitchy throttle will go away.
i will make a video about this in the future because so many guys changes instantly the ECU for a vortex because the are unhappy but its not necessary if you give her a little bit time to proper break in
PS: your Beta300RR is a Hot Bike
The stock springs in the Honda are meant for fairly low rider weight. I forget how much, I think 220 pounds max. With me weighing 205 in my undies, by the time I got gear etc on, I'd be too heavy for the Honda. I'd have to re-spring it. Not a huge deal, but I am getting a Beta 500 RRS to have a lighter bike overall.
Kelse Yeah, I knew it was around there, thanks for clarifying it. That, combined with the 450L being a heavier bike, I opted for the Beta. As I get older I am less interested in muscling around a heavy machine in the woods. 😬
It hard and sometimes gets expensive to find the best bike, you really can't tell in one days ride, I own 4 dirt/dual sport bikes with tags. 2 wr250r yz250fx, drz400e, only ride 2 the most, I am older, average size and I what comfortable ride for dirt and street, comfortable power, Comfortable on the street to 60mph max, even at that speed the wind just beat you up, very reliable, just push a button and go, my pick is my first bike I bought and it's the last bike wr250r, people say its heavy slow pig at 285lb wet but it will top out at a scary 85mph, I think the bike is well balanced and handling is the best I have ridden, I think the extra weight gives it stability and traction in the very rough terrain, I think the only disadvantage on weight it on very large whoops and when you drop it and
@@MtnPeakEnduro to me if your not an AorAA rider the yz250fx suspension sucks out of the box, everybody has there own opinion, just saying
@@MtnPeakEnduro I don't race anymore, I just trail ride, adventure ride, dual sport, sometimes can put 150mi per day, so for me the wr250r win everyday
let me know what you guys think in the comments! I might rent the crf450L a few more times just to see how it performs in the higher elevation trails. I test rode mine around 6k and it was good.
@@MtnPeakEnduro thanks buddy! ive been hearing good reports from them
I know exactly what you were saying. I currently own a 690 and a KTM EXC 500 and I'm consider selling them both to get a 450L.
A Crf450x might be another option? I don't know if they are street legal in USA like here in Australia, & I'm not Sure if the New X's have a 6 Speed? But they are a Good Compromise between Dual Sport & Competition Enduro! - Cheers👍🇦🇺
What ever make's me weak today,make's me stronger tomorrow. That's what I tell my self pushing 340+ on single track. But it doesn't work for everyone.
Would save you money long term by not needing a gym membership 💪
oh no.. ktm 500 or crf450L ...that is a hard choice because I know where you are coming from. both great bikes but one is better for longer distances. really need to ask how much road DO you really plan to do? high way often? I am going to think crf450L will be more comfortable. thing is, the ktm 500 will be better in single track hands down. either way have fun with what ever you choose
You need a 300 two stroke! They are far superior compared with a 500/450 for that type of riding. Light and nimble. You will never stall your engine again and they are cheap and easy to maintain compared to a modern four stroke. I have two bikes for the moment a modern two stroke enduro when I go out with my camper van or ride in the local forest. I even ride on the local MX track. The other bike is a 950 Adventure it perfect for easier trails and gravel roads with camping gear in the back. You can do single track but it’s hard work. Perfect for off road travel. One bike is to much of a compromise! Upgrade your 250 to a 300 and get a Yamaha T7 for the longer trips
He has a 2 stroke already but I think he is looking for a more aggressive "dualsport" bike that has a good ride on pavement and a solo exploring bike. Based on video he still plans on hitting roads but from his camper. Hard choice lol a 300 2 stroke would be good too, but seems he wants to do highways also
yeah man the T7 seems to be awesome! I got a 250 2 stroke, but as silly as it sounds, I think I do want a 300 2 stroke, then adventurize it (windshield, bigger seat, bigger tank, taller gearing) and use that as my adventure bike since I dont really do long distance highway runs anyways. I love my 250 for gnarly single track and I geared it once to 13/53 and man it was a blast to ride. switched it back to a 13/50 for trail hoping for now.
Where in Colorado are you riding Will?
Great video! Like you, I was on the fence and was faced with the exact same decision. I sold my 690 and was looking at the 450L or the 500excf. I ended up going with the 500. when I considered the aftermarket mods to get each bike to where I wanted it, the ktm ended up with more power and was lighter. Cost was about a wash after I considered all of my aftermarket choices. In my opinion, both bikes are winners and you'll be super happy. Let's go riding sometime...I'm in Centennial and new to Colorado! have fun, stay safe!
Hey man I am totally down! would love to ride out! since you are in centennial, we can ride rampart and stuff before it gets snowed in. maybe some stuff over idaho springs before the snow starts collecting. hit me up on Instagram if you want!
You youngsters now a days, I remember doing stuff like this with my Harley back in the day.
would love to see how bad ass you are on that Harley. want to come out meet in person to do this trail on it if you are in Colorado? that would be a kicker. Ha! "youngster" how old do you think I am?
@@RWWRENTAL I'm too old for it now, but back in the day I could. I own an old Baja Sportster and the thing was amazing off road. You sound young, or young to me. I'm assuming under 45.
now this is a video title i wasn't expecting. i've been looking at 701s and thought it was the perfect bike, haha.. now i don't know. 350 lbs for the 701 wet vs 290 for the honda wet is definitely a tempting proposition though.. especially once you add camping gear and a days worth of riding before you gotta pick it up
dude, why won't you buy a 90kg e-bike? It's light torqy perfectly fitting for tech enduro trails. Or at least 2t?
Like to know where he lives where he has lots of Trail choices?
What app do you use for trails?
CRF450rl is the best compromise i have found for an excellent dirt/trail bike. I have had XR650, F650xchallenge, 990ADV, 1000strom, drz400, and on and on. The crf450rl is light, powerful and capable. If you think its going to have the "tractor factor" like an xr650 you need to plan on a vortex ecu and a lower countershaft sprocket.
How does it compare to the DRZ400 if you remember? I sadly only ridden mine on the streets and plain dirt roads, so hardly have much to compare
@@RWWRENTAL Been about 15 years since the DRZ but I got rid of it because it was low on power on the hiway, and a bit weak on bottom end. It tended to stall when warm at traffic lights. Overall the CRF is very similar to the DRZ but the power is definitely better on the CRF and it feels even better off-road. Much more hiway friendly and it retains the off-road ability's that the DRZ excelled at. Also the fuel injection makes for much smoother engine performance overall. IMO the CRF450 is the closest thing to an XR650 evolution that I have ridden. Much better off-road, but it does not loose any on-road abillity. The only thing the CRF is light on is the tractor-factor that the XR's had. Im trying a vortex ECU and maybe loose a tooth on the countershaft. Even so a little clutch resolves it..
why not beta rrs?
Why don’t you get a 300cc two stroke?
I’m the opposite. I have a Honda CRF 300 L for a bash bike, but want a 701 Enduro!
Forget the 450l, husky fe350 is way better and the way to go, i know because i had the same problem and owned them both but ended up with the fe350...
701 have like 0 service intervals, where the 450 is every 10h... not really the same ball park?
isnt first to wide n 6th to narrow n lite in wind n rnge
100% 701 enduro. 450 engine is as robust as wet toilet paper. Also 460L is maintenance heavy, isn't as reliable and not as powerful and comfortable than 701. 701 has better brakes, better electronics, better injectors, has better suspension, has larger fuel tank and is far more robust than the Honda.
crf450 is too heavy, suspension too weak - I've chosen FE350 having already ktm 500exc-f. Reliability is not worse then honda
How about KTM450?
atk ore comfy. alot of intervals on honda but relauble n cheper then ktm 10 k vs 15. gas gas not out yet. i gota atk 605ds
for that money, I would buy the KTM 500 or the Beta 500 , both bikes are at least 30lbs lighter than the Honda.
If you are going towards more single track than the weight will play a huge factor. The KTM and Beta will do just fine on hopping
from hwy to trail. The 450's weight will kill you on gnarly single track , it's a huge compromise just like your 701 is.
Valid argument against 701 for your use but strange argument in favor of 450 against the 500. To each their own.
I heard that they still haven't fixed the flame out so I hope you like stalling
there is an ECU you can get, and have you ever ridden a drz400 with a 15/38 gearing? king of stalling lol. im not concerned with using a clutch tbh
I’m so jealous of the terrain in other states. I’m in Southeast Michigan. Flat as a pancake.
we are pretty lucky. I cant complain really.
Oh, my dude....saying goodbye to the 701... :( Then again, that's why I have my 701...so I can start my adventure from my garage. Now....if were to explore far away places, would truck...but the front range stuff, yeah...open the garage, get going. Mine is in the shop right now...has some leaks that need to be addressed.
who knows maybe I will keep both :) one thing for sure is, the power of the 7-1 cant be matched with any bikes out, dualsport term. Yeah I bought it because I wanted to explore most of the front range, but already did them and now want to start going more west lol
@@RWWRENTAL I just need to hit the power ball and have a garage filled w/ bikes. :)
Serious Question... How is the Honda more comfortable than the 500? They look to be equal there, with things like tires, maybe aftermarket seats swaying comfort more?
having ridden both, the honda is way more smoother over all. The heavier weight also makes it a bit more comfortable in the wind vs the 500. Also the design and the ergonomics and the dampening technology makes very smooth on the highway. For single track though, I never ridden both of them on that, just normal trails. the 500 will definitely win in single track though because it rarely wanted to flame out and of course lighter
@@TrialsDirtBike Got it, thanks.
Have you considered the GPX fse450r? Half the money and less maintenance. It’s lighter too.
dude that looks sweet!! less maint too? what would you say are the valve clearance and oil changes if you know?
@@RWWRENTAL I have a bunch of videos on my channel about both my GPX's if you want a taste of what they are capable of
@@LCARSADV you are the GPX man!!!!
The 2021 crf450rl says it has revised ecu and fuel settings. Wonder if it's worth the wait
that is what I heard as well so i am going to wait till they get in and test drive one. cant wait!
The new 21 is also about an inch and a quarter thinner than the 19 and 20. Also the header pipe is significantly closer to the engine and doesn't stick out nearly as much as the 19 and 20.
@@chiptaxfree yeah I'd only do the older ones if you get it for less than the price of vortex and full exhaust...
New CRF300 with 31hp coming too
I take both pls 🙂
And then on road an Ducati Panigale V4
Someday in future it will be real :-)
Got the Honda for $9100 OTD. 3k less than the quote for Husky 501. Vortex was only $700. Weight loss is free and brings it down close enough to KTM Husky. Don't let anyone kid you, the Honda sucks as bad on the road as the Husky 501. Revs like a banshee at 55 mph. Its still basically a motocross bike. If they where the same price I wouldn't have consideered the Honda and now kinda regret it. Because the Husky is better on the trail. Who cares about the road sections.
If you can get a really good deal maybe try it. I bet Honda drops it in less than 3 years
Granted I ride hard, slick trails....but I hated the Honda 450L! Jerky, awkward, and stalled more than 1981 Ford Pinto. Ugh! Hated it. Sold it and bought KTM 500 and love it. Seat concepts seat for comfort dual sporting, and can do trails almost as good as my 300.
thanks for feedback! ive been hearing the same thing. everything is still sold out in my area, but ive also be debating between beta 500, beta 390, KTM 500. esp in CO where a lot of trails is baby heads and rocky. stability is important.
If you are just hauling your bike to the trails then just get a 2 stroke and be done with it, way lighter than anything you are talking about and the most fun of all bikes to ride on single track and technical stuff. 701 is for doing the BDR's instead of riding an ADV bike.
With the announcement of the new Honda 300L, I think you have another viable option to consider. Lightweight, bulletproof motor, enough power for the trails and the small amount of highway you'd be riding. Honda reliability and way better service intervals than the 450. Im considering one for 2021.
CRF 450l = 25 cv.
701 = 74 cv.
only 15 kg difference between the two, why should I choose the crf450 if it has almost the power of the klx 250?
if you change the mufler they are 5 kg less.
The crf450L has WAY more power than the KLX250 and the crf450L has a bit different power delivery vs the 701 even though the 701 has over 70+ hp the crf450L is similar to a drz400 power
@@RWWRENTAL Excuse me for my English, I don't know if I was clear, I did not say that it had the same power as a klx 250s, but for sure it is closer with 25cv than the 74 of the 701. I have a 701 and I drove a drz400, they only look alike a bit in the low, mid and high range, the 701 is outrageously superior
Anything new coming for the 2021 husky 701?
I just went into my local dealer today looking for a last minute pair of gloves or goggles or something. Never in a million years did I expect to see what I saw- three brand new 2021 701 Enduro R's. They just got them Monday. This is what they said when I asked your question, "Same exact bike as 2020."
@@jimbernard8964 just went to dealer today and saw the same thing.
If You put same size gas tank to CRF450L, in compare to H701, what will be the new weight of Honda?
still less than the 701 because one of my buddies have done this already. even on an empty gas can on the 701 enduro, it still feels heavier on the tighter stuff vs the crf450L but I am not looking to put a bigger gas tank
@@TrialsDirtBike Honda is lighter and has less range in compare to H701. You can choose what is more important, range or weight.
@@woitika5983 yep! its definitely weight for me. 701 does great everywhere until I reach really tight single track. I tried the crf450L on tight single track the other day and by far was more comfortable and less tiring. I dont really ride from my house anymore so I just use my truck camper/RV to haul the bike there so I think the crf450L is a perfect fit for me now
@@TrialsDirtBike nice, so we are waiting for yours new CRF movies :-)
@@woitika5983 Ha ha! very soon! waiting for them to get in stock! first thing I am going to do is take it on single track!
If you don't ride highways or 2 hours just to get to the your site, there isn't a reason to keep the 701.
I love the 701 and didn't have any reliability issue with husky or ktm ADV before.
Yep I used to do a lot of highway that's why I bought the 701. It's a great machine and actually very comfortable on high speed forest roads
@@RWWRENTAL For me the original seat was awful and terrible so I switched to a Seat Concept. It's the only motorcycle that cruises at 140 Km/h on a highway and pass challenging off-road routes.
Since no road riding just keep it simple and get a Cheap motocross dirt bike, spend the rest on the best protective gear available.
thanks! i already got a 2 stroke for the gnars but looking for something with a bit more weight vs a mx bike. they are terrible on the highway lol. why I am kind of looking at the crf450L or possibly even a 500