ive got my first mirror farmed without really spending currency on my build aswell, would you suggest buying instant phys bow and build from there or should i invest into a full elemental build that already works fine. what do you think?
I have been following Fubgun's Budget MF guide have since gotten HH, a 2 Arrow 1200 ele dps bow and a few upgrades like Progenesis. Especially in terms of survivability, its a little underwhelming. I've always had the feeling that Fubgun is more geared towards mirror tier gear, and does not perform optimally under that level. Would it make sense to switch to this setup for more survivability and damage if I know that I will never reach mirror tier anways?
hi Mikoshi , i have a question , is this build still viable with a triple elem bow/ defiance amulet set up? i slowly raise my divines in hope to switch to a real cold convert bow/quiver (got 250 now) and i wonder if i can adapt your build little by little , or if i should wait to buy everything at once.. (oh and will you do the 500 div mf version of this video?) Anyway thanks a lot for all your work , it helps a lot new players like me !
@@yohanhaash7853 no. some go phys triple ele, but thats still higher budget. go for ramp gloves if you are on low budget or rare gloves with good stats
Is the gear part for Phys to cold convert version? If I am playing the elemental version, I should aim for a bow that has all 3 added elemental right? And the cold convert gloves are also not for elemental version right? Thanks.
Great video, man! Thanks for all the info What do you think about rocking both Warlord's Mark and Sniper's mark? Still getting rage while clearing, but applying Sniper's Mark on bosses and rare mobs with Mark On Hit.
@mikoshomikoshi shouldn't it work without swapping? I'm running with both right now and I feel like on rare and unique mobs Sniper's Mark overlapping Warlord's Mark, probably because of Mark on hit
Great video, thorough explaination on all aspects, really appriecate the efforts. One question, if we are using warlord's mark, do we need to care about stun chance? I know there's a ticture that synergize well but that means we have to go Maji instead.
Im having some trouble with sustain rage with warlord's mark! There's something that i miss out there? I got like u 100% crit chance + secret of sufering and ddint ragenerate any rage at all.
It might be some map mods because warlords mark requires you to stun (which with your dmg you normally should) but there is a map mod that can roll which makes monsters immune to stuns so thats probably what you are running into and not allowing you to regenerate your rage. Also the marks only work on bosses and rares and the rage regen can only come from rare I think (this is from my experience)
In the charms section although it's not mentioned, is the "25% increased effect of marks" also viable? Would you put that above or below culling strikes in terms of priority?
I am using hh with CA build swapped after being ts but my bow is only like 1k edps but i dont think i can swap rn what should i focus on if i want to get back to ts again
What do you think about the fourth body armor option of non-influenced with chaos res, suppression, etc., where you can add the nice implicits for Hatred effect and aura effect? I have medium high budget but don't want to do Greed's Embrace and be slow. I am doing the Secrets of Suffering gem and just now upgrading to phys convert from tri-ele. This seems a better option than Hyrri's?
personally for me, getting a good ventors is the first thing as it would help with the resistant, if you go shopping for the gear with out properly adjusting to the what your character situation and budget, you're gonna waste your currency
Considering you are a bow build, before even making an MF, you should have a good bow, quiver and ventor. No matter if you get ventor or not, they don’t affect the rest of your gear
well... I invested round about 2 Mirrors to follow the build guide "Mirror Tier MF" -> first few maps I die very very many times... build is very squishy ... petrified blood... maybe I am using/playing it wrong!? only having 50% life = 1.8k Life makes me totally vunerable to crit hits !! For sure this build works for maps as we see here during the video since you ALWAYS can kill and gather headhunter buffs. but normal mapping... with random mobs appearing ... cant get it to work!? degen of Blood Rage and the damage over time due to petrified blood... too much for me... problems I see -> NOT being spell capped right now, chaos resistance is -13%.. everything else I already have the same as you propose... most of the time I dont die due to chaos damage I get FYI... most of the time due to hard crit hits. some Idea what to do or HOW to use / play petrified blood correctly?
@@billietkarl7574 I got my chaos resistance up to at least positive 30%, a bit more spell suppression... but all that doesn´t matter since again -> having that low life and not always the chance to kill and leech -> I die with this build way too much. No way to level up from 94 to 95... but ok, it is titled as "Magic Find Tornado Shot" and that can be achieved ! So all good ! You can do juiced maps and do Magic Find, but you will die randomly out of nowhere
bro i feel the same way... I just spent 2 mirrors building this and it feels almost unplayable. Most maps im bricking all portals , build only gets going after slightly buffed up if you can stay alive long enough to get there.... Need to incorporate some sort of evasion or other defense
Mirror tier and 14% evade chance? Am I missing something? You are doing map on 10k wisps, eventually will come a point you will die with this setup, in fact at some point eventually you might die even on 93% evasion like my build, although that with abyss storming you endlessly unlike strongboxes + legion. You die on that 10k map (if you manage to even start rolling, some maps are just insane), you die and then what, do you enter 10k wisps map with 14% evasion and don't brick other 5 portals? Having 14% evasion is to some degree understandable on normal league where you one-shot everything but damn you really made mirror ts with 14% evasion, either that or I am cooked and clicked wrong link. You have 40% phys to cold convert on tree and 25% on quiver so that's 65%, is there 25% somewhere else or do you convert only 65% of phys to cold? I am not knowledgeable enough to know if not fully converting is something viable too so I can't say much here, one con here would be that you can't play phys reflect maps and I believe you can't do ele reflect either because of frenzy, so that would mean you spent whole charm's prefixes and suffixes just to deal with reflect maps (unless you regex them out which is fine). Long story short unreasonable build for abyss farming 100%, I don't think it's reasonable at all for 7k+ wisp maps but feel free to correct me, I always prefer to stay open minded but damn...
Different players play differently, I don’t like playing with évasion because as you said, you will eventually die anyways. Even on low budget (outside of mf and this league) I don’t pay with evasion even tho it’s a great line of defence. I can however understand the critique and see why a player who looks up to me should have a POB that would reflect what he’d feel as the best (thing is, idk as I am the one who makes the content, sadly don’t have POB made for me). All that to say that I’ll try to make more evasion based but I don’t like evasion l. For the point of cold convert : watcher eye Thx for the feedback
I live next to some party ppl I'm sorry if you can hear the base XD
I am just beginning my MF TS switch (first time) and this was very helpful. Comprehensive, and well structured.
Your videos are amazing. I can see you put tons of effort explaining every single mechanics.
Was really informativ, i am really looking forward to an Ele Dmg Pob for Ts
I have to say i love the way how u explain everything and the details please do this on other builds too. I would watch everything
I just actually got my HH today after grinding for 4 days. This is helpful.
ive got my first mirror farmed without really spending currency on my build aswell, would you suggest buying instant phys bow and build from there or should i invest into a full elemental build that already works fine. what do you think?
thanks dude love you I was waiting for this guide
Thanks so much for this, so extremely helpful!!!
very good explanation it is very detailed thank you
I have been following Fubgun's Budget MF guide have since gotten HH, a 2 Arrow 1200 ele dps bow and a few upgrades like Progenesis. Especially in terms of survivability, its a little underwhelming.
I've always had the feeling that Fubgun is more geared towards mirror tier gear, and does not perform optimally under that level.
Would it make sense to switch to this setup for more survivability and damage if I know that I will never reach mirror tier anways?
I suggest sticking to triple ele Jf your gear won’t reach above 1m, imo
In your mirror POB u cant fit all auras, haste always left alone. How are u fitting them on the both showcases? got same gear as u
thannks! looks informative and useful!
On ur amulet how do u get the implicit -2 prefix -1suffix
Is it worth getting a +1 arrow 1200 edps bow to start? And save up for a +2? Or should I just keep using a normal 1200 ele bow first
hi Mikoshi , i have a question , is this build still viable with a triple elem bow/ defiance amulet set up?
i slowly raise my divines in hope to switch to a real cold convert bow/quiver (got 250 now) and i wonder if i can adapt your build little by little , or if i should wait to buy everything at once..
(oh and will you do the 500 div mf version of this video?)
Anyway thanks a lot for all your work , it helps a lot new players like me !
yeah u can run triple ele no problem
@@mikoshomikoshi ok ok, and if i go triple ele , i still need the cold convert gloves?
thanks for your time and answer man :)
@@yohanhaash7853 no. some go phys triple ele, but thats still higher budget. go for ramp gloves if you are on low budget or rare gloves with good stats
I look forward for 500div version sir
Is the gear part for Phys to cold convert version? If I am playing the elemental version, I should aim for a bow that has all 3 added elemental right? And the cold convert gloves are also not for elemental version right? Thanks.
Yes
im a little confused which items would be best to use the mirror on
Great video, man! Thanks for all the info
What do you think about rocking both Warlord's Mark and Sniper's mark? Still getting rage while clearing, but applying Sniper's Mark on bosses and rare mobs with Mark On Hit.
You’d have to swap. But yeah
@mikoshomikoshi shouldn't it work without swapping? I'm running with both right now and I feel like on rare and unique mobs Sniper's Mark overlapping Warlord's Mark, probably because of Mark on hit
Mageblood does not fit with MF?
where is the 500 div build ? still coming soon????
How do you stun enemies for.warlords mark with 100% phys converted to cold?
Great video, thorough explaination on all aspects, really appriecate the efforts. One question, if we are using warlord's mark, do we need to care about stun chance? I know there's a ticture that synergize well but that means we have to go Maji instead.
no, don't use the tincture, with your damage, even if not high, it will be enough
Im having some trouble with sustain rage with warlord's mark!
There's something that i miss out there?
I got like u 100% crit chance + secret of sufering and ddint ragenerate any rage at all.
It might be some map mods because warlords mark requires you to stun (which with your dmg you normally should) but there is a map mod that can roll which makes monsters immune to stuns so thats probably what you are running into and not allowing you to regenerate your rage. Also the marks only work on bosses and rares and the rage regen can only come from rare I think (this is from my experience)
In the charms section although it's not mentioned, is the "25% increased effect of marks" also viable?
Would you put that above or below culling strikes in terms of priority?
Check on PoB if it will increase your dps over culling, culling strike is straight up 10% more dmg.
I am using hh with CA build swapped after being ts but my bow is only like 1k edps but i dont think i can swap rn what should i focus on if i want to get back to ts again
10/10 vid. Waiting for budget MF setup.
Amazing video. Thank you! Now %50 poe players will play magic find for the future :)
What do you think about the fourth body armor option of non-influenced with chaos res, suppression, etc., where you can add the nice implicits for Hatred effect and aura effect? I have medium high budget but don't want to do Greed's Embrace and be slow. I am doing the Secrets of Suffering gem and just now upgrading to phys convert from tri-ele. This seems a better option than Hyrri's?
a very good option as well. Avoid would be useless, as we are using purity of ele, so replace that and yup, very good piece of gear !
So is there no need for evasion? Im looking at your POB and your chance to evade seems too low
Cool video. Contemplating between HH and MB for my character. If I'm a mapping focused player, HH would better than MB am I right?
For mapping absolutely, yes
yup, HH for pure map is better
Hi, warlords mark needs to be linked with manaforge to work?
yes !!!
Linked to cast con crit + warlordsmark + frenzy of the onslaught+manaforged arrow
best video i ve seen so far for TS MF
Looks amazing
where does the rage come from im trying to put togather the 1 mirror mf build and i got everything working except the rage stacks
Warlord setup
Ty dude
I cant use Haste... i have all the same items but i cant use haste u know why?
looking at POB he only uses Vaal Haste for a boost not the permanent Haste Aura
hi thanks for this video , can you link your atlas three please ty have a good day bro ^^
what content to mf?
How do you actually stun an enemy to proc warlords mark?
As long as you don’t freeze you will stun :) it’s about their threshold and your hit dps
Why don't you first use altars then clear the map?
Oh it’s a showcase, I don’t like mapping so when I do I play just for the fun, no intent of currency making :)
So you need a mirror build so you can farm a mirror?
No, however, once you get more currency u should invest into your build so you can farm some more quickly
personally for me, getting a good ventors is the first thing as it would help with the resistant,
if you go shopping for the gear with out properly adjusting to the what your character situation and budget, you're gonna waste your currency
Considering you are a bow build, before even making an MF, you should have a good bow, quiver and ventor. No matter if you get ventor or not, they don’t affect the rest of your gear
@@mikoshomikoshi i agree on that too, btw nice work you put there bud. btw which eldritch and ember did u use to get that 12% mana reserves?
or did i miss it?
May I dm you to learn about clusters 😢🎉 awesoke video
pob?
If your GG pob doesn't use TWWT you know something's wrong. You have two jewels for cb immunity for some reason.
your build not bad, but i prefer mine =)
well... I invested round about 2 Mirrors to follow the build guide "Mirror Tier MF" -> first few maps I die very very many times... build is very squishy ... petrified blood... maybe I am using/playing it wrong!? only having 50% life = 1.8k Life makes me totally vunerable to crit hits !! For sure this build works for maps as we see here during the video since you ALWAYS can kill and gather headhunter buffs. but normal mapping... with random mobs appearing ... cant get it to work!? degen of Blood Rage and the damage over time due to petrified blood... too much for me... problems I see -> NOT being spell capped right now, chaos resistance is -13%.. everything else I already have the same as you propose... most of the time I dont die due to chaos damage I get FYI... most of the time due to hard crit hits. some Idea what to do or HOW to use / play petrified blood correctly?
I switched yesteraday too, i can't do a juiced cemetery T11 :/ getting one shot buy random mobs
@@billietkarl7574 I got my chaos resistance up to at least positive 30%, a bit more spell suppression... but all that doesn´t matter since again -> having that low life and not always the chance to kill and leech -> I die with this build way too much. No way to level up from 94 to 95... but ok, it is titled as "Magic Find Tornado Shot" and that can be achieved ! So all good ! You can do juiced maps and do Magic Find, but you will die randomly out of nowhere
bro i feel the same way... I just spent 2 mirrors building this and it feels almost unplayable. Most maps im bricking all portals , build only gets going after slightly buffed up if you can stay alive long enough to get there.... Need to incorporate some sort of evasion or other defense
And there's the tier 0 uniques that no one needs that dont sell. Ex mjolnir...😅
“I went into mf with multiple mirrors” yeah that explains the zero skin in the game feeling this vid has
Skin or skill ? I’m kinda confused of your point 😂
"showcase different budgets" but then he has only mirror builds in the description.. right..
made a separate video for low end !
Mirror tier and 14% evade chance? Am I missing something? You are doing map on 10k wisps, eventually will come a point you will die with this setup, in fact at some point eventually you might die even on 93% evasion like my build, although that with abyss storming you endlessly unlike strongboxes + legion. You die on that 10k map (if you manage to even start rolling, some maps are just insane), you die and then what, do you enter 10k wisps map with 14% evasion and don't brick other 5 portals? Having 14% evasion is to some degree understandable on normal league where you one-shot everything but damn you really made mirror ts with 14% evasion, either that or I am cooked and clicked wrong link.
You have 40% phys to cold convert on tree and 25% on quiver so that's 65%, is there 25% somewhere else or do you convert only 65% of phys to cold? I am not knowledgeable enough to know if not fully converting is something viable too so I can't say much here, one con here would be that you can't play phys reflect maps and I believe you can't do ele reflect either because of frenzy, so that would mean you spent whole charm's prefixes and suffixes just to deal with reflect maps (unless you regex them out which is fine).
Long story short unreasonable build for abyss farming 100%, I don't think it's reasonable at all for 7k+ wisp maps but feel free to correct me, I always prefer to stay open minded but damn...
Different players play differently, I don’t like playing with évasion because as you said, you will eventually die anyways. Even on low budget (outside of mf and this league) I don’t pay with evasion even tho it’s a great line of defence. I can however understand the critique and see why a player who looks up to me should have a POB that would reflect what he’d feel as the best (thing is, idk as I am the one who makes the content, sadly don’t have POB made for me). All that to say that I’ll try to make more evasion based but I don’t like evasion l.
For the point of cold convert : watcher eye
Thx for the feedback
I swear to god u ppl play on ez on pc, get a +1 hyrri or greed no biggie, theres prolly only 1 of those on ps QQ
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