Thank you! The tragedies of slavery should never be denied. The Founding Fathers were men and imperfect, but the US is very fortunate to have had them when we most needed them.
If we have to condemn American founders for slavery then we must also condemn everyone, especially the Africans, that played a larger role in slavery than America ever did.
And Britain. They weren’t Americans as we think of them, but British colonists. People came from different nations, but they were then subjects of the Crown up until independence was won. The great wealth of Britain was built on the seas and that included the slave trade.
@@samsondog2182Are you stupid? Or are you talking out of your ass? Either way, learn your history. Africa, an enormous continent compromised of different tribes, factions, etc. A small portion sold others. And besides, is that an excuse for white/Europeans/slavers to commit some of the worst crimes against humanity?
I know, this channel has some weird takes about... racially charged topics. He also ignores the reasoning as to WHY these accounts that he discredits are accepted as evidence by actual experts on Jefferson's life. And the fact that the white Jefferson family couldn't decide if it was Peter or Samuel Carr (his two grandchildren both gave different names), and then they switched to DEFINITELY 105% that it was Randolph after the DNA evidence made it irrefutable that it was a Jefferson. idk, that sounds like lies to me, but hey, you FEEL it's right, so I'll just take my facts and leave.
"The Jefferson Scandals" by Virginius Dabney ( a descendant of Jefferson) is a convincing rebuttal to the allegation that Jefferson had fathered Hemmings' child.
@@davec3901 And do you know anymore than me? Sally Hemings was the half sister of Thomas Jefferson's wife, Thomas Jefferson's slave Israel Jefferson confirmed that Thomas Jefferson was on "intimate terms" with Sally Hemings, as well as Madison Hemings confirming everything with DNA evidence and other facts proves Thomas Jefferson was the father.
Every family has it’s share of disgruntled relatives who are willing to exaggerate or outright make up lies because of a grudge or dispute. Thomas Jefferson’s descendants are no different
Yes, but don't you realize that books, diaries, and other primary sources are complete hogwash in 2024. As long as some angry liberal says it's true on TikTok, that's all that matters.
More likely Jefferson's brother is the father. Thomas Jefferson had nothing in the way he lived to suggest he would have fathered a child in this manner. Jefferson's brother, on the other hand, lived this type of life and is the likely father of her children.
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@Rozziefeatherschneider - No you just want the famous Jefferson to be the father, I understand; you think it adds some kind of prestige to the family but it's not true no matter how much you want it to be.
@@JohnPrepuce Ok were you there? No you weren't. Did someone give you a first hand account of what happened? No they didn't. So you can't say for a fact Jefferson didn't father Sally Hemings children. On the other hand all the facts point to him in fact being the father. I understand you're in denial and can't grasp the concept that a slave owning white man could have children with his underaged, enslaved, sister in law, But Jefferson was indeed a slave owning creep. Deal with it.
What people don't understand is that both Jefferson and Washington lived by a moral code that would have prohibited them from having an affair with their slaves. Following their own moral code was paramount to how they lived their life.
The European genetic admixture to the average African American is 25%. Where did that European genetic material come from? Your "moral code" is one thing. Male sexual drive is quite another. Those white slave owners could do whatever they wanted to with their slave girls, your code be damned.
Yes, and as far as Jefferson there is the matter of taste. He liked women who were mannered and cultured. I never understood why the screamers think he was falling for some 15 year old slave when he was chasing Maria Cosway all over & writing her gushy letters. Wishing don’t make it so.
Because the new narrative is that if someone owned slaves, they are automatically and inherently incapable of having any moral code. That’s like someone in 200 years saying that anyone in 2024 who eats meat or drives a gas car is incapable of having any moral code
A slave owner who lived by a moral code is laughable. His code was highly moral , no doubt ,when he lied to George Washington about employing newspapermen who wrote unflattering things about Washington. Martha Washington was later quoted as saying the two worst days of her life was when George died and when Jefferson came to Mt. Vernon to visit...
@@UncleZeke they both lived by a moral code. It didn't mean they were perfect in following it. No matter, their code would have prevented them from sleeping with any of their slaves. Clearly, other slave owners did, I just can't believe that either one of these two would have.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I can't thank you enough. I visited Monticello recently for the first time. It was disgusting how they ram down the concept of what a racist immoral scumbag Jefferson was. I spent 4 hours at the place and interacted with a half dozen attendants at length. I couldn't get one of them to say one positive thing about one of the greatest men of all time. It is sad to see how low are society has fallen.
Curious.. was it when you visited Monticello where he was run down as a racist immoral scumbag? or was it something addressed in 'this' video? Not sure I see where that assertion comes from.
I've visited Monticello many times and never heard them talk about Jefferson that way at all. What they DO inform people of is the fact that he was a slave owner. Which of course, he was.
Very sad that people cannot be viewed in balance, with admirable and not-so-admirable qualities--like every human who ever lived. If any place should stress the accomplishments of Jefferson, it is Monticello.
@@playnejayne5550 Humanity's collective need to recognize beings so perfect that they can't actually exist, bleeds over onto those humans who actually have existed and hold or have held prominent places in our history. The higher the prominence, the more flawless the perception. In the south Robert E. Lee is as close to deity as flesh and blood can get; second place some southerners say, in a photo finish that had Jesus winning by a nose. A group of humans called 'Founding Fathers' would have to be collectively flawless, if they're to be known as the first architects of nation we want to be proud of. Problem is, there can be no singular pride in any history where flaws are dismissed, denied, covered up or apologized for solely to project perfection in a nation overflowing with evidence of those flaws.
I've always heard that sa!my Jennings was the half sister to Martha Jefferson . and that Sally's mother was half white. Yet, in today's conversations no e ever seems to mention that.
@@nativevirginian8344 Jefferson certainly expressed an aversion to miscegenation. Yet, Monticello appeared to be a laboratory for the practice. Another of the great Jeffersonian ironies.
I think the Jefferson Hemings story is great as just that: a story. In the same way that an affair between John Smith and Pocahontas makes for an excellent Peggy Lee song and Disney movie. It's great entertainment to portray Sally Hemings as an exotic and sophisticated woman who captured the heart of one of America's greatest presidents, as opposed to actually being a childish 14-year-old according to Adams's testimony.
I wonder about Abigail Adams comments too and at the end of the day we just don't know what happened or didn't happen between Jefferson and Miss Hemmings. And there's no scientific evidence to make a definitive claim either way.
Sally Hemings was a 14 year old child when Thomas Jefferson began raping. Thomas Jefferson was basically a child molester no different from Jeffrey Epstein.
Jefferson owned slaves. He owned Sally Hemings. There were rumors of a relationship during both of their life times. DNA evidence has shown that her offspring shared DNA with Jefferson. Why do these facts upset certain people?
Someone who works for UVA told me that the now rather rare YDNA haplotype of Thomas Jefferson's paternal lineage was much more common in 18th century Virginia .
@@eduar2971 listening to this video we learn that all the evidence we have neither proves nor disproves that Thomas Jefferson was the father of any of Hemming’s children. Yet for some that’s good enough.
@@Viking380 TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
Thank you for this. I have never understood why everyone acts like it is proven fact that Thomas Jefferson fathered Sally Hemmings children, when all it proved is that someone in the family did.
@@MrWahooknows And of course we know those men never crept around the slave quarters looking for fresh young slaves to knock up, Jefferson was probably no different.
Thank you for communicating the Truth. As a Historian (forever student of history) I am baffled by this current destructive approach to historical truth in the so-called academic circles ..... Thomas Jefferson was one of the greatest and most Nobel men of his time and the depth of his contributions not only to the American Founding is admirable -- to say the least. The greatest "sin" of these lies is an UNJUST ATTACK/ASSAULT on the man's HONOR and MORAL CHARACTER, which is abhorrent ....... no wonder that they say "Humanities" as a discipline id dead as it lead by immoral "dead" people. I came across your website and these videos by mere coincidence -- in reality everything is divine ordinance -- and I see prudent to express my gratitude for your great work in keeping the history alive that is inseparable in my assertion from keeping memories and traditions alive .......
Thank you sir for your courageous stand for truth! Our country is being systematically dismantled by sinister militants that want to do much more than just “drag Thomas Jefferson through the mud.” What witchery has taken hold of this nation? I have done much volunteer work with NPS as well as state parks. I’ve also done historic restoration work on various architectural projects. In the process I’ve made several acquaintances and friends. Most of them, if not all, have become “woke” to the point of absurdity. When in one conversation I was asked why the drastic pivot away from traditional, truthful, time honored accounts of history, my response was that these people, tour guides, teachers, park rangers, curators, etc. have had the “Shelby Foote” scared out of them by the higher ups. I know the pressure is immense on some of these people. Many of these people fear if they don’t tote the company narrative, they’ll lose their job, plain and simple. With that in mind, it’s refreshing to see someone pushing back for a change. 👍
Considering this video is by a well-known neo-Confederate organization, you know, the ones who spread myths like the south didn't secede over the issue of slavery (which is did, we know they did because they said so themselves).
They didn't say that. We do know that Lincoln said on several occasions that the war was not about slavery. The man who started and maintained the war said it was not about slavery.
Thomas Jefferson was a child molesting, slavedrivering rapist who died a deadbeat heavily in debt. Our so-called "democracy" needs to get better role models.
Is it possible that Sally Hemming's children were fathered by Thomas Jefferson's brother instead? Originally Answered: Isn't it possible that Sally Hemming's children were fathered by Thomas Jefferson's brother instead? No, Randolph Jefferson wasn't at Monticello when Sally Hemings conceived her children. Sally Hemings had six children: Harriet (i) (born October 5, 1795) Beverley (born April 1, 1798) Thenia (born 1799) Harriet (ii) (May 22, 1801) Madison (January 19, 1805)
VA genealogists have "verified" I descend from one of Jefferson's uncles. The DNA Y chromosome perplexes me as he is (alleged) a K haplotype and I am (and other males) I1b2. So if genealogists are correct, whom descends from that man who had some hanky panky?
Sally Hemmings was the 1/2 sister of his 1st wife & was said to resemble her. He clearly had a fondness for her. Also, Hemming's children were the only ones he managed to free. She was at least very important to him.
Everything you brought still does not prove she had children with him. Randolph Jefferson more likely. It went from Jefferson DNA to fact it was Thomas. There was a political motivation for making Thomas the father of black children. As the woman falsely said,the linking of blacks biologically to a white founding father is the only way blacks can be included in America which is absurd
@@lindaeasley5606 What are you talking about?! Sally Hemings was a woman of color but she was one-quarter black and the half sister of Thomas Jefferson's wife. You're a classic Jefferson defender and you're only using his brother as a easy way to make Thomas Jefferson seem innocent when he wasn't! Thomas Jefferson's slave Israel Jefferson confirmed that Thomas Jefferson was on "intimate terms" with Sally Hemings, as well as Madison Hemings confirming everything with DNA evidence and other facts proves Thomas Jefferson was the father.
Citation needed. Wild conjecture is a poor substitute to the DNA evidence you are denying. You are emotionally tied to this story because it feeds into your superiority complex as opposed to seeking the truth. It makes a good Hallmark movie, but the evidence doesn't back it up.
Jefferson was 39 years old when his wife Martha died. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in the historical record indicating he ever had another romantic relationship after his wife's death, other than with Sally. Is it your contention the guy was celibate for the 44 years he lived after Martha's death? By all accounts, Jefferson was deeply devoted to Martha and fell into a clinical depression when she died. But what you also leave out is that Sally bore a striking resemblance, not only physically but also temperamentally and intellectually, with Martha. No doubt this was not coincidence, since Martha's father, like many Virginia planters, fathered children with his more attractive slave girls. Martha and Sally almost certainly were half sisters.
Annette Gordon-Reed made an interesting statement "The notion of who gets to pronounce a historical truth is very, very contested territory . The heresy was believing black people" Renowned historian recounts Jefferson-Hemmings controversy for Clark audience December 2018 Clark Now Clark University
Sir, your last statement about History being about truth is what grabbed my attention ! Yes, History "should" be about truthfulness but most folk would rather deny the truth if it is going to taint who and what they believe they are. Americas past is full of hidden atrocities and those of us who are aware of this are more inclined to believe that this story holds some truth. I grew up believing my family was from African decent, but after looking into my DNA story It was revealed that my ancestors were white! I was not surprised due to the things that were going on in the country at different times. Jefferson was no different, he too was involved in having his slave Sally and I have no doubt that he fathered all of her children. Heck, Sally was the product of the same type of atrocity so there is no doubt in my mind that the Jefferson/Heming's story is true.
I’m sorry, but this antiquated white southerner is extremely wrong. TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@tenther5019 How is it pushing back? Holowchak has an extremely minority view and his book “Framing a Legend” is extremely erroneous. For example, he claims that the descendants of Eston Hemings said they descended from an uncle of Jefferson, yet that was a story made up by Eston Hemings’ great grandsons amid the one drop rule and other racial segregation policies in the 1940s. Additionally, Abbeville Institute has ties to league of the south-a white supremacist group. To add salt to the wound, no serious modern scholarship of Jefferson’s life has doubted that Thomas Jefferson had a sexual relationship with Sally Hemings, yet Holowchak, who clearly admires TJ, doesn’t want to believe it. Monticello itself, which runs TJ’s house, has affirmed the paternity. The facts aren’t coincidental: it’s just how people interpret them, and Holowchak chooses to continue to deny Sally’s children’s’ paternity.
@@ninedaysqueen301 “Push back” is exactly what the video cited. Only one Hemming’s child has DNA support for a Jefferson male’s paternity, so the only legitimate claim is that one child MAY have been sired by TJ. As cited Jefferson denied the allegation. Any other testimony can only counter claim, not definitively prove. To be accurate, Holowchak only denied the likelihood of paternity. As for Abbeville, it is the ONLY alternative distinctly southern perspective in the current incestuous hive culture of pop academia. If nothing else, their minority viewpoints should cause one to at least contemplate Big Education’s monolithic narratives.
@@tenther5019 The DNA evidence is only icing on the cake: there is lots of other historical evidence (testimonies from friends and people who knew SH/TJ, the conception dates, etc.) that you and Holowchak seem to be ignorant of. Annette Gordon-Reed, the leading scholar on TJ/SH, made the case long before the DNA evidence came out (read her book “Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings” please, it’ll definitely change your mind). Yet, people continue to deny the story because they don’t want to believe that TJ had an enslaved mistress. This was a common practice in VA at the time: for example, when his son-in-law’s [John Wayles Eppes’] wife, TJ’s daughter Maria, died, he took an enslaved woman named Betsy Hemmings (who was Sally’s half-niece via her half-sister Mary) as a concubine and had children with her. TJ is no exception here. Holowchak is a poor scholar and in FAL he falsely claims that “racial bullying” and other “psychological” motives led people to “falsely” believe TJ/SH happened: again, that is not why. The historical evidence has always favored a TJ/SH sexual relationship. Abbeville is an extremely ridiculous and comical institute with the goal of “southern education” tying into their neo-confederate beliefs (please tell me you don’t have respect for the CSA) and ties to white supremacy. Would you expect this group to want to admit a Founding Father had an enslaved concubine?
Well then, I guess I can exclude Monticello from my next tourism jaunt to Virginia. Been there already anyway. But if, as some posters here have written, the guides focus on and emphasize the alleged affair to the exclusion of all else in Jefferson’s existence, then I think I can safely sit that one out. I can’t turn on a radio or a TV set without being assaulted with inclusivity politics here at home, so I see no need to pay tour guides to hear it in person.
Was there last month, they did spend quite a bit of time on Sally Hemings and stated the affair as fact, but also made it clear that it was the position of Monticello. Most in my group weren’t very interested in that angle. I wanted badly to argue the point as I had read the initial DNA results and the subsequent clarification. I decided not to do so. I enjoyed much more the stories of the man who actually did the great deeds as opposed to where he allegedly placed his…. This issue is clearly one to stir racialist sentiment and to denigrate the man, as if it were true and proven it would make him be seen in light of his abolitionist views as all the more great. I dislike this revisionist history so much.
Tons of males OUTSIDE of Jefferson's line had the SAME Y chromosome. I have the Y typical of Vikings, but ALL the Viking males could not have been my ancestors
@@markholowchak6972 You have heard rumors that Sally Hemings was possibly a half-sister to Thomas Jefferson's wife. Could that possibly explain the DNA relationship?
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@williambilyeu9801 That wouldn’t be why. The Jefferson Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) come from a direct male line. Sally couldn’t give her Y-Chromosome or paternal haplogroup to her children as a woman. Therefore, a male in the Jefferson family (almost certainly Thomas) was the father of Sally’s children.
Nobody in my family ever believed the Hemming claim. We're descended from Randolph, my great-grandmother and my great-aunt did family's history & genealogy back to Peter ( and then beyond to his ancestors in U.K.)
Is it possible that a white slave owner, even though married, could be sexually attracted to a very beautiful slave woman? The myth: of course not. The slave owners were upright and moral. But the evidence is clear that many slave owners had sex with beautiful slave women in spite of being married and enjoyed it. Thomas was no exception. Let's get real.
William Ellison was one of the wealthiest men in the South as well as being a black, former slave. He owned cotton gins, plantations, and 68 slaves. And from accounts of the time, he wasn't very nice...At the peak of slavery in the United States, large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves, in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a very small minority of whites owned slaves. In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more.
@@deathtracer Only the power of love can be felt beyond death and beyond time. You must remember that you cannot see the past with the eyes of the present unless you are willing to endure the pain of the path that leads to it. My point is that while we readily accept that humans can love their pets, it has become unthinkable and forbidden to think of a slave owner loving and benevolent towards their slaves, to do so in this age is simply forbidden. Only one brush is allowed when painting their character.
@@deathtracer If wrong was always wrong, man would never be able to do evil to bring about a greater good, victory would only be remembered as mass murder and open-heart surgery would be a theory only. All Nazis are bad, Schindler was a nazi, absolutes rob us of understanding and corrode our perception of history. The teaching of American history has been crafted with an agenda by Leon Trotsky and is the tool that Marxist destroyed us with. John Brown was captured and executed a white man, and yet if you ask a black teenager about him, you will only receive silence. This is not by accident.
Does the DNA of the White Jefferson descendent match the DNA of the Black Jefferson descendent? Brothers would show a familial match but would not be exact? It would be possible to tell which brother matched the DNA sample. Are there known children of his brother and his uncle?
Whatever the truth of the parentage of Sally’s children may be, it may not have been a matter of rape. Slavery warped human relationships so much. The concubine of the master (or his brother) would have a top position in the hierarchy of the servants and this is something that a young slave woman might have felt was a great opportunity. What were her other choices? We hope that Mr Jefferson had the high morals that everyone is wishing for, but he was a single man of rather young years.
I’ve had five visits to Monticello over the years with the first being around 1997. When I returned two years ago I was surprised how much slavery was brought to the forefront. Jefferson the man now takes a backseat to him being a slaveholder. We cannot change history and it should be viewed as it was in that time period as historical record and what was the norm of the time, but we shouldn’t keep putting Jefferson on trial in our current time. A better analysis of the Hemings issues should be explored and I am hopeful your arguments are considered.
This, and the comment below, are precisely why this video is so important. No evidence "proves" Jefferson was the father of any of Hemings's children. That is a lie promulgated by politically motivated historians who want to portray Jefferson as a hypocrite and slave rapist. All of it is circumstantial, even the DNA evidence that a "Jefferson male" fathered ONE of Hemings's children, not six. It could have been Randolph, it could have been TJ, or it could have been someone else. But direct evidence is against the assertion, as the video proves, if you choose to watch it. As for the "close proximity" of Hemings's bedroom to Jefferson's, this is also a lie. No documentary of physical evidence exists that shows where Hemings had her bedroom. It is a guess based on circumstantial evidence and one that was crafted for political purposes. The two lies serve the same purpose: reduce Jefferson's profile, diminish his reputation, and place an insignificant issue at the forefront of the conversation about Jefferson to deflect from his real importance to American history. Only Washington among the members of the founding generation was more important. "As Thomas Foster, history professor at DePaul University points out in the Huffington Post, the room wasn't necessarily Hemings' living quarters. Jefferson’s grandson was a notoriously unreliable source of information, and there is no direct archeological or documentary evidence tying Hemings to the room in the south wing. In fact, Thomas writes, that the entire space was used for house slaves." www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/sally-hemings-gets-her-own-room-monticello-180963944/
@@abbevilleinst There actually is lots of evidence that proves Thomas Jefferson was the father of her kids, DNA evidence just helped prove that fact even more. Thomas was no saint and I think it's pathetic that you Jefferson defenders think he's above taking advantage of Sally Hemings but isn't above owning and having slaves whipped.
@@Rozziefeatherschneider No, actually, "lots of evidence" does not exist "proving" TJ was the father of any of her children, unless that is you consider imagination "evidence."
@@abbevilleinst It's okay. You can deny the oral history of the family as well as the oral history of the slaves at Monticello, also the so called "circumstantial events" that took place. It must be a big coincidence that Thomas was there everytime at Monticello when Sally's children was conceived.
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@harmonwatson7511 I would challenge that thought. First, his estate accepted the DNA results that he in fact fathered children with Hemings. Second, imagine you are one of the most revered men in the world on a trip abroad to meet international dignitaries. You are known for caring about your appearance and attire. Who do you bring to help you that? Your wife? No. Your experienced servants? No. You bring the 16 year old beauty. Third, let's be clear why this so hard to accept for some. It isn't because she was young and he was old, or even that she was enslaved by him. I believe it is because some cannot tolerate the thought that there are Black descendents of Jefferson walking the earth even as we speak.
I think he definitely had a strong desire for, not sure i would call it love since he never stopped treating her as a slave and his property. I think he saw so much of his deceased wife in her, that it was like having her back again. Loosing his wife was apparently extremely difficult for him to the point that he took a position in France bc it was too painful for him to be in their home without her. I believe that was why he was willing to negotiate free all her future children at 21, if she would return with him from Paris, where she was free, to America where she would go back to being a slave. He knew giving her her freedom, would likely result in her leaving and he didn’t want to loose her as it would be like losing his wife all over again. As far as Sally herself having romantic feelings for him, I honestly don’t think she did. Her mother was the daughter of a white man and African woman who went on to become a house slave & mistress to the white man who owned her (Jefferson’s father-in-law) after the death of his wife, who was her father. She saw the difference between the way her mother, siblings & her were treated vs the way the other slaves were treated, as well. A big example was that unlike most children of slaves being sold off at a young age, her siblings were all kept together with their mother. When her father died, they were immediately taken to Monticello so they wouldn’t be split apart when his assets were being split between his other children. Jefferson gave them their sur name “Hemings” (which is the last name of her mother’s white father) at a time when slaves were only given a first name, to show them as a family unit. Sally would likely have been taught that by being the mistress she would be able to give herself and her children the best life she possibly could in that time. So people think they were in love, some people see her as a victim, but personally I believe she was an smart woman who knew how to use what she had, to her advantage to ensure the best life possible for her children. She was an intelligent woman, not a victim
I didn't consider that Thomas Jefferson's Brother (Randolph Jefferson) could've been the father of Sally Hemming's Children. That'd fit in with the DNA information too.
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@barbaramarrs5113 No. TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Also, by the time Sally started conceiving, TJ’s uncles were long dead.
@@ninedaysqueen301 ---How does the DNA of Randalph descendants compare to TJ. I am not one who jumps to conclusions were ancestors are concerned. Too many oops are possible. My own family has some questionable family connections.
@@barbaramarrs5113 All of the men in the Jefferson family would have the same Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (Jefferson Men have the k2 Haplogroup). When DNA evidence revealed that Eston Hemings had been fathered by a male Jefferson rather than one of the Carr brothers, as the white family purported for all of the children, discrediting the family lie promoted by TJ’s grandkids. TJ’s eldest daughter, Patsy, took the Sally stories extremely personally and was hurt by them. The other striking evidence, such as all of Sally’s children being named after TJ’s person friends and relatives, his presence every time she conceived, the freedom of her children being granted (and the extent TJ went to allow them to stay in VA), and the fact that TJ’s own friends and neighbors said the story was true leaves little room for who else could’ve been the father. Randolph Jefferson only became the fall guy for traditionalists and racist white descendants of TJ after the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie. As Maury would say, “Thomas… YOU ARE THE FATHER!”
The first time our family visited Thomas Jefferson ' s Monticello in the 1980s, again in the 1990s. Then lastly we visited in 2018. The change in the narratives by the staff who escorted and spoke to us vastly changed to focus more on the Sally Hemmings story than Jefferson himself. I'm not exaggerating and may be softening it altogether. I get tired of hearing how awful people perceive historical facts, and people mixed with fiction...resulting in reverse racist inflammation due the current agenda. I will read the other comments here, but wonder if someone else noticed the same.
George Washington did not rape his female slaves in the same way that Jefferson did. It is well known by those of us who live in and around Alexandria, Va and Mount Vernon that George Washington was a homosexual. He fancied boys and young men. This is why the British authored the song "Yankee Doodle Dandy". The term "Yankee Doodle" was 1700's slang/pejorative for a homosexual man who liked to grab the d#cks of other men. Washington's "proclivites" became undeniable when Washington contracted the services of the Prussian military trainer Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben. Steuben had been forced to flee Germany and his army post due to accusations of improper sexual conduct with boys/young men under his command. During the winter at Valley Forge, Washington and Steuben even shared a cabin together. The cabin had one bed. It is believed that George's marriage to Martha was a sham, and that she was his beard. They never had children and it is rumored that they never even consumated the relationship.
There's no such thing as reverse racism There is only racism Humans all over the world exhibit racism against each other It is unfortunately a human trait that we continue to deal with
I am assuming your age is above 40, let me ask you this: why did you choose to be stupid? Read mrs Gordon-reed. She answers your question. Let me summarize what she did for you: she completely destroyed all white historians who wrote about Jefferson.
@@ericday4505 Of course we all know how many fools today like YOURSELF just love to race grift, and to spread rumors and outright lies instead of the truth. Move along, race grifter.
Excellent. I had thought it was one of the Randolph's who had fathered the children with Sally. But I guess because they're not as well known and Sally was owned by jefferson, he's the easy scape goat? I want facts not conjecture. Great video.
It sounds more plausible that it was one of Jefferson’s male relatives who did this, particularly his younger brother. The potential reason for why Thomas Jefferson would have gave Sally special treatment after the fact is simply due to Thomas knowing about the affair and him not wanting one of his slaves to be subject with the burden of raising - in effect - his biological nephews and nieces.
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@ninedaysqueen301, except this is contradicted by other such statements on the matter as well as the fact that DNA sampling for males is not a precise science. Where it’s easy to trace down female lineages due to Mitochondrial DNA coming directly from one person (I.e. your mother carrying through into pregnancy), male lineages are harder to pin down through genetics as there aren’t any specific DNA markers that are unique specifically to one, male individual. The closest you can get is a group of males of the same lineage, but not any one, specific individual. In this case, there are also records indicating it was Thomas Jefferson’s brother who had slept with a number of enslaved women and was notorious for the behavior. Considering he also visited Monticello as well, it’s just as likely he had slept with her as it is Thomas Jefferson.
@@MatthewChenault There are no records of Randolph Jefferson ever being with Sally or other enslaved women. The memoirs of Isaac Granger are often cited as evidence for Randolph being the father, yet the line merely says he often danced with slaves and fiddled on Mulberry Row, not sleeping or wooing them. Also, the possibility of Randolph being the dad only came as a fall back after the 1998 DNA study exonerated the Carr brothers and discredited Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph.
Excessive focus on a concubine is intensely annoying, however, in Jefferson's case, it is his just deserts for being a rascal. The idolatry of those who worship the Founders and Thomas Jefferson is a curse on America, Jefferson was not a righteous pagan. He was an infidel who set America down the wrong path. James Perloff makes a good case that it was Thomas Paine who wrote the Declaration of Independence, which would actually be a mark in Jefferson's favor, to not be responsible for the silly rhetoric of that document. Jefferson in 18th Century Paris sent his daughter to a convent but he wouldn't have any interest in his wife's sister. I'd think if he had something against the old planter "patriarchal" lifestyle he would never have been married to Sally Hemings sister.
@@nodruj8681 It's four weeks later when I noticed your reply. I sense somehow that you're the type who denies climate science. I cannot save you from yourself. The Thomas Jefferson Foundation, that runs Jefferson's home at Monticello as a museum tells the full story of Sally Hemings -- as fact. There is always someone who refuses the fact. The fact that you introduced race into this does not speak highly of you.
Talk about cherry-picking. Sally Hemings only became pregnant when Thomas Jefferson was in residence at Monticello, never mind any of his male relations. You forgot to mention Abigail Adams was scandalized that when Jefferson had his daughter Maria sent to Paris, she was accompanied by Sally Hemings and Abigail worried about what Sally's fate would be. And the first mention of "Dusky Sally" was by Callendar during Jefferson's lifetime. It was an enormous scandal. As for Thomas Jefferson being such an abolitionist, the only slaves Jefferson freed at his death (unlike George Washington who freed all his slaves at his death) were Sally Hemings' children. And last but not least: the recently found 'secret room' with access to Jefferson's bedroom was obviously used by somebody Jefferson wanted to join him surreptitiously.
I read Riboud’s book about SallyHemings. I read it again and I got the impression of a vain, besotted woman giving herself airs of being mistress of Monticello. Jefferson left Sally for months at a time. He never took her anywhere. He did not free her or leave her nothing in his will. I believed that JeffersonHemings story until I visited Monticello. No way was Sally prissiness around this house. In Jefferson’s time, honor was more important. Jefferson had two daughters and I’m sure he didn’t compromise them to be with Sally. Finally Jefferson’s daughter came to live at Monticello with her houseful of children. So TJ had to mind his P’s andQ’s.
He took her to Paris specifically BECAUSE she was the nursemaid and close friend to both of Jefferson's daughters. Also yeah, have the slave owner bring his slave mistress out on the town, sure to get a few heads turning. You are actually denying facts... with your feelings...
There should be more DNA test. The promise was made to free Mrs. Sally Hemings' children when she was very young and she was in Paris. They were free and I wonder why?
What do you love more, the TRUTH or an agenda? If you love the truth you'll OBJECTIVELY examine ALL of the facts to get to there. If you love an agenda you'll cherry pick FACTS. There's A LOT the latter that goes on nowadays and much less of the former. ALL of the facts point to NO affair between Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. It is what it is. DEAL W IT
Well but ppl have taken it too far nowdays. I mean there are & always have been actual victims but a 15-16 year old having sex with their 18-19 year old boyfriend is not in any way a victim. And thats how bad ppl have taken the extreme to- have heard ppl call those 18-19yr olds "child molestors" smh. No thats a normal 18-19yr old
Its possibly true that he would have fathered her children,after all darth vader was Luke Skywalker s father.who would have guessed that? Anything can happen in fantasy land.
He daftly ignored the humanist fact, that Sally H. was the splitting image of her half sister, Jefferson's deceased wife! (If that's ignored by him, what else too?) Jefferson, " All men are created equal!" Came out of some reflection, in his life, as a human!
The Abbeville Institute was founded in 2002 in an effort to preserve the history and culture of the American South. Of course the institute can't allow, that whites in the American South get annoyed, because one of the white founding fathers did make children, while having a life long affair with a beautiful female slave. I admire Jefferson! As a Dutchman from the Germanic tribe of the Tubanti, I understand Jefferson, since my beautiful Dominican wife has mixed origins like Sally Hemmings with grandfathers from Dominican; Haitian; Spanish and the Dutch East Indian origin.
Wow! Thanks for suggesting that. We've never seen that book before. We were not familiar with "Annette Gordon-reeds". Must be a new historian. Nor with "Fawn Brodies" Again, has to be great.
@@abbevilleinst See a summary of the debate. It seems even conservative Joseph Ellis has to admit Jefferson and Sally had a relationship. citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=04f602a21b0f909de70147a6b3fdcbe6d224c6e0
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
I think it's easier to see a lot more about Abigail Adams whining that her 14 year-old slave girl doesn't want to work as a slave than it is to see anything about Sally Hemings. That's a real weakness in the video's argument, and suggests a racial agenda by anyone trying to spread the notion there's relevance to this case there.
The fact that his family genes were present would not indicate a ZERO percent chance that Thomas was the father. Please be completely educated before providing education on a subject. Also, many males were present at Monticello. It does not mean she slept with them. AND…how disgusting of you to make an assumption that because a 14 year old girl wanted male attention means that she wanted intercourse. Many young ladies TODAY want the attention of men to boost self esteem. It does not mean they want to be sexually active. By all means, it is easier to paint the slave as promiscuous than it is to admit that Thomas took the same liberties as MANY slave owners took.
He is presenting history and shedding light on the evidence. You seem to think this is a slam dunk case but this would not be enough paternity evidence in a modern court case. Stop your bizarre virtue signaling. The shoes you wear are from slave labor.
This man is being academically rigorous. There are standards to uphold. Unfortunately, much of modern so-called 'scholarship' is tendentious politicized garbage. To be honest, I don't really care about the sex lives of either Jefferson or Hemings. Both appear to have been very attractive people - doing what attractive people do. Jefferson obviously cared for her, so if there was a romance, all I can say is good for them.
the first successful English colony in America was built with slaves. St Augustine the oldest city in America was built with slave labor. New Orleans failed until African slaves came and built it. Monticello was built with slave labor. The people we refer to as founding fathers had free time to develop their ideas because there were slaves that took care of everything from the actual business of agriculture to literally wiping their butts. There should be no controversy.. Given that importing slaves was banned in 1803 . the vast majority of Africans came to America before the vast majority of European s.
The entire point is to degrade one of the most important, respected founding fathers in US history by claiming he raped some of his slaves. The more you look into the actual case the more apparent it becomes that the people claiming he did at the time were political rivals or journalists trying to ruin his reputation with libelous rumors.
I think you only needed to add that Sally Hemings oldest child Thomas also had DNA testing and was shown to have zero relation to Jefferson, but all the other 6 are fathered by Jefferson? That doesn't stand to reason. Why not test some of the others instead of assume?
Thomas Woodson’s descendants claimed to be Sally Hemings’ despite there being no proof. That’s the supposed son, when in actuality the baby said to be him died shortly after birth.
@@ninedaysqueen301 Thomas Woodson claims to be the baby born in Paris, which means he wouldn't have been documented as a birth or death at Monticello like the other children. He was said to be sent away at age 12 after someone noted that he looked a lot like Jefferson. The resemblance was noted and written by James T Callender, a contemporary of Jefferson's. A descend of Thomas Woodson, Byron W. Woodson Sr., wrote an entire book dedicated to the lore and proof of parentage. They still believe Thomas Woodson to be the offspring of Sally and Jefferson despite the DNA evidence to the contrary. ONE child of Sally Hemmings has a DNA connection to a male from the Jefferson line. The others, just like Thomas Woodson, ASSUME relation. It's only an assumption that Sally didn't have diverse baby daddies. Yet, a letter from Abigail Adams details concern about Sally's behavior and the attention she's attracting from men. This is not definite proof of any dalliance but it's about as much proof as we have that ALL Sally's children were fathered by Jefferson or even the same man. So again I ask, why not test some of the other bloodlines?
@@jenniferjackson5301 Problem is though that when Jefferson took roll of his slaves in 1794, he wasn’t mentioned. If he was sent away at 12 (between 1801 and 1803) then why wasn’t he in the 1794 slave roll? Also Callender could’ve easily gotten his information from neighbors, as it was a story well-believed in the Albemarle area in the early 1800s
@@jenniferjackson5301 Well both sides are pretty much mad at each other, however it really originates in the White side: John Works Jr, one of the white family members, is known to be racist and led a campaign to essentially ban Hemingses from future Monticello Association events, as well as to discredit them as family members. They really rocked the boat when they asked to exhume a male descendant of Madison to disprove Jefferson's paternity: wording plays a major role!
Look up definitions of primary and secondary. MH was speaking about things before he was born. That is not admissible in courts of law and for good reasons.
It was common knowledge that slave women always proclaimed their biracial offspring to be the 'masters child' as a status symbol within their black community.
seroius question: do people talk about this irl? i have never met a single person irl who has ever broached this topic, not once! yet, this is all of a sudden big news on the internet? i am struggling to understand why anyone would care whether Jefferson father a child(ren) with a slave or not (and, i'm a hobbyist historian)!
Shame on you! Some things are absolutely true and some are not. Believe everything and everyone or believe nothing. Selective bias. Also who cares? I feel sad for you, you are not clever
"Jefferson's accomplishments we of course know". Our children for years have NOT been taught the great accomplishments of Thomas Jefferson and therein is the complaint many have that the only information given now is about Sally Hemmings.
@@marshaevelyn1Not sure if it's not taught at all But you acknowledge that he owned humans that did forced labor for free, in order to enrich himself Correct?
Owning slaves was legal in his time so there wasn't any moral issue to the institution. Owning slaves was not free. They had to be fed, housed, and clothed, all of which took money.
Since the teaching of CRT is being banned right and left may as well throw this in the mix and keep it out of the classroom also. Let it be allowed only it if it states no one is certain of the exact person or persons who fathered her children. Why not? Those with the gold make the rules. Slavery is the stain on America's garment. It's indelible. It is what it is.
@@livingmombirth4005 I don’t know what you mean. It was despicable what he did. And yes immoral. I don’t give him a pass and I believe TJ was the father of all of Sally’s children.
@@Nightbird1914 Apparently you didn't listen to what this man said. The chances that Jefferson fathered Hemings baby are close to zero based on the historical and DNA evidence. When you factor in the man's character and who he was the chances go to zero. That is the reality.
@@livingmombirth4005 it has been documented that Jefferson’s visits home to Monticello coincides with the dates Sally conceived. He was gone most of the time during those years and kept meticulous records that included visitors. I also believe the son’s testimony.
@@Nightbird1914 Anyone of 25 Jefferson males may have been the father of Sally's child. Concrete proof that it was Thomas Jefferson is just not there. It is very curious that so many people desperately want to blame him, and refuse to consider that the father might have been his brother, cousin or uncle. More evidence is needed, not more speculation.
Thank you!
The tragedies of slavery should never be denied.
The Founding Fathers were men and imperfect, but the US is very fortunate to have had them when we most needed them.
Not all the founders were slave holders.
@@turdferguson7504 So very true.
If we have to condemn American founders for slavery then we must also condemn everyone, especially the Africans, that played a larger role in slavery than America ever did.
And Britain. They weren’t Americans as we think of them, but British colonists. People came from different nations, but they were then subjects of the Crown up until independence was won. The great wealth of Britain was built on the seas and that included the slave trade.
@@samsondog2182Are you stupid? Or are you talking out of your ass? Either way, learn your history. Africa, an enormous continent compromised of different tribes, factions, etc. A small portion sold others. And besides, is that an excuse for white/Europeans/slavers to commit some of the worst crimes against humanity?
This is SO refreshing. I was ready to accept the lies.
More examples of where feelings and what is perceived as a righteous cause trumps the truth and actual history.
I know, this channel has some weird takes about... racially charged topics. He also ignores the reasoning as to WHY these accounts that he discredits are accepted as evidence by actual experts on Jefferson's life. And the fact that the white Jefferson family couldn't decide if it was Peter or Samuel Carr (his two grandchildren both gave different names), and then they switched to DEFINITELY 105% that it was Randolph after the DNA evidence made it irrefutable that it was a Jefferson.
idk, that sounds like lies to me, but hey, you FEEL it's right, so I'll just take my facts and leave.
Eston was the only one related to Jefferson and was most likely his nephew by his brother Randolph
He was the only one they tested. WHy do you say most likely? Because more evidence points towards
"The Jefferson Scandals" by Virginius Dabney ( a descendant of Jefferson) is a convincing rebuttal to the allegation that Jefferson had fathered Hemmings' child.
I've heard, it was another relative of Jefferson's
A nephew named eston
I got that from Wallbuilders
@@kathleenking47 The nephew was the same age as Sally and constantly getting into trouble like a lot of rich kids.
@@kathleenking47 but it wasn't it was Thomas Jefferson so stop
@@davec3901 And do you know anymore than me? Sally Hemings was the half sister of Thomas Jefferson's wife, Thomas Jefferson's slave Israel Jefferson confirmed that Thomas Jefferson was on "intimate terms" with Sally Hemings, as well as Madison Hemings confirming everything with DNA evidence and other facts proves Thomas Jefferson was the father.
Every family has it’s share of disgruntled relatives who are willing to exaggerate or outright make up lies because of a grudge or dispute. Thomas Jefferson’s descendants are no different
I did my own research many years ago. And arrived at the very same conclusions!
I too spent many hours researching too. I found an excellent book, “The Jefferson Lies” by David Barton.
@@videos4Guilfordparents Did you read the official report, written in 2000?
Yeah, "do your own research" officially means nothing.
Yes, but don't you realize that books, diaries, and other primary sources are complete hogwash in 2024. As long as some angry liberal says it's true on TikTok, that's all that matters.
Even if it turns out he actually had black descendants outside of Sally, it doesn't change my view of the man.
More likely Jefferson's brother is the father. Thomas Jefferson had nothing in the way he lived to suggest he would have fathered a child in this manner. Jefferson's brother, on the other hand, lived this type of life and is the likely father of her children.
No it was Thomas Jefferson who was the father of her children, his brother is just used as a easy way to make him look innocent.
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@Rozziefeatherschneider - No you just want the famous Jefferson to be the father, I understand; you think it adds some kind of prestige to the family but it's not true no matter how much you want it to be.
@@JohnPrepuce Ok were you there? No you weren't. Did someone give you a first hand account of what happened? No they didn't. So you can't say for a fact Jefferson didn't father Sally Hemings children. On the other hand all the facts point to him in fact being the father. I understand you're in denial and can't grasp the concept that a slave owning white man could have children with his underaged, enslaved, sister in law, But Jefferson was indeed a slave owning creep. Deal with it.
Prove it wasn’t true and I’ll sell you a piece of property on Mars🤣🤣
What people don't understand is that both Jefferson and Washington lived by a moral code that would have prohibited them from having an affair with their slaves. Following their own moral code was paramount to how they lived their life.
The European genetic admixture to the average African American is 25%. Where did that European genetic material come from? Your "moral code" is one thing. Male sexual drive is quite another. Those white slave owners could do whatever they wanted to with their slave girls, your code be damned.
Yes, and as far as Jefferson there is the matter of taste. He liked women who were mannered and cultured. I never understood why the screamers think he was falling for some 15 year old slave when he was chasing Maria Cosway all over & writing her gushy letters. Wishing don’t make it so.
Because the new narrative is that if someone owned slaves, they are automatically and inherently incapable of having any moral code. That’s like someone in 200 years saying that anyone in 2024 who eats meat or drives a gas car is incapable of having any moral code
A slave owner who lived by a moral code is laughable. His code was highly moral , no doubt ,when he lied to George Washington about employing newspapermen who wrote unflattering things about Washington. Martha Washington was later quoted as saying the two worst days of her life was when George died and when Jefferson came to Mt. Vernon to visit...
@@UncleZeke they both lived by a moral code. It didn't mean they were perfect in following it. No matter, their code would have prevented them from sleeping with any of their slaves. Clearly, other slave owners did, I just can't believe that either one of these two would have.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I can't thank you enough. I visited Monticello recently for the first time. It was disgusting how they ram down the concept of what a racist immoral scumbag Jefferson was. I spent 4 hours at the place and interacted with a half dozen attendants at length. I couldn't get one of them to say one positive thing about one of the greatest men of all time. It is sad to see how low are society has fallen.
Oh so we have an eye witness. I wasn't aware of that incriminating evidence.
Curious.. was it when you visited Monticello where he was run down as a racist immoral scumbag? or was it something addressed in 'this' video? Not sure I see where that assertion comes from.
I've visited Monticello many times and never heard them talk about Jefferson that way at all. What they DO inform people of is the fact that he was a slave owner. Which of course, he was.
Very sad that people cannot be viewed in balance, with admirable and not-so-admirable qualities--like every human who ever lived. If any place should stress the accomplishments of Jefferson, it is Monticello.
@@playnejayne5550 Humanity's collective need to recognize beings so perfect that they can't actually exist, bleeds over onto those humans who actually have existed and hold or have held prominent places in our history.
The higher the prominence, the more flawless the perception. In the south Robert E. Lee is as close to deity as flesh and blood can get; second place some southerners say, in a photo finish that had Jesus winning by a nose. A group of humans called 'Founding Fathers' would have to be collectively flawless, if they're to be known as the first architects of nation we want to be proud of.
Problem is, there can be no singular pride in any history where flaws are dismissed, denied, covered up or apologized for solely to project perfection in a nation overflowing with evidence of those flaws.
I've always heard that sa!my Jennings was the half sister to Martha Jefferson . and that Sally's mother was half white. Yet, in today's conversations no e ever seems to mention that.
Indeed. Sally herself was 1/4 African American and her children only 1/8.
She was likely the half-sister of TJ's wife. That itself accounts for preferential treatment of the children.
She likely was.
Jefferson despised miscegenation.
@@nativevirginian8344 Jefferson certainly expressed an aversion to miscegenation. Yet, Monticello appeared to be a laboratory for the practice. Another of the great Jeffersonian ironies.
I think the Jefferson Hemings story is great as just that: a story. In the same way that an affair between John Smith and Pocahontas makes for an excellent Peggy Lee song and Disney movie. It's great entertainment to portray Sally Hemings as an exotic and sophisticated woman who captured the heart of one of America's greatest presidents, as opposed to actually being a childish 14-year-old according to Adams's testimony.
I wonder about Abigail Adams comments too and at the end of the day we just don't know what happened or didn't happen between Jefferson and Miss Hemmings. And there's no scientific evidence to make a definitive claim either way.
Sally Hemings was a 14 year old child when Thomas Jefferson began raping. Thomas Jefferson was basically a child molester no different from Jeffrey Epstein.
Sally was also his wife's sister
Shes similar to queen Charlotte
I've heard, she married John Locke
Jefferson owned slaves. He owned Sally Hemings. There were rumors of a relationship during both of their life times. DNA evidence has shown that her offspring shared DNA with Jefferson. Why do these facts upset certain people?
Someone who works for UVA told me that the now rather rare YDNA haplotype of Thomas Jefferson's paternal lineage was much more common in 18th century Virginia .
And you took his words at face value without any research? you are living up to your name.
@@eduar2971 listening to this video we learn that all the evidence we have neither proves nor disproves that Thomas Jefferson was the father of any of Hemming’s children. Yet for some that’s good enough.
@@Viking380 TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
Thank you for this. I have never understood why everyone acts like it is proven fact that Thomas Jefferson fathered Sally Hemmings children, when all it proved is that someone in the family did.
Because it is a fact, this guy is dilusional.
Yeah could of been Jefferson's brother Harpo. Or Groucho Jefferson. Or Chico Jefferson, he really got around.
Because it is the woke thing to do. Facts be damned.
@@MrWahooknows And of course we know those men never crept around the slave quarters looking for fresh young slaves to knock up, Jefferson was probably no different.
@@ericday4505 Move along, race grifter.
Thank you for communicating the Truth. As a Historian (forever student of history) I am baffled by this current destructive approach to historical truth in the so-called academic circles ..... Thomas Jefferson was one of the greatest and most Nobel men of his time and the depth of his contributions not only to the American Founding is admirable -- to say the least. The greatest "sin" of these lies is an UNJUST ATTACK/ASSAULT on the man's HONOR and MORAL CHARACTER, which is abhorrent ....... no wonder that they say "Humanities" as a discipline id dead as it lead by immoral "dead" people.
I came across your website and these videos by mere coincidence -- in reality everything is divine ordinance -- and I see prudent to express my gratitude for your great work in keeping the history alive that is inseparable in my assertion from keeping memories and traditions alive .......
Professor Holowchak, thank you.
YOu are welcome!
Funny my family history always referred to Randolph playing fiddle to wee hrs of the morning at Monticello....huh....
Thank you sir for your courageous stand for truth! Our country is being systematically dismantled by sinister militants that want to do much more than just “drag Thomas Jefferson through the mud.” What witchery has taken hold of this nation? I have done much volunteer work with NPS as well as state parks. I’ve also done historic restoration work on various architectural projects. In the process I’ve made several acquaintances and friends. Most of them, if not all, have become “woke” to the point of absurdity. When in one conversation I was asked why the drastic pivot away from traditional, truthful, time honored accounts of history, my response was that these people, tour guides, teachers, park rangers, curators, etc. have had the “Shelby Foote” scared out of them by the higher ups. I know the pressure is immense on some of these people. Many of these people fear if they don’t tote the company narrative, they’ll lose their job, plain and simple.
With that in mind, it’s refreshing to see someone pushing back for a change. 👍
Considering this video is by a well-known neo-Confederate organization, you know, the ones who spread myths like the south didn't secede over the issue of slavery (which is did, we know they did because they said so themselves).
They didn't say that. We do know that Lincoln said on several occasions that the war was not about slavery. The man who started and maintained the war said it was not about slavery.
They threaten people to go woke and change history. By threatening to take away their jobs. Real upstanding people. They are losing though.
@@garlandalmarode6396 The war was not mentioned in that post. He said "secede".
Thomas Jefferson was a child molesting, slavedrivering rapist who died a deadbeat heavily in debt. Our so-called "democracy" needs to get better role models.
Is it possible that Sally Hemming's children were fathered by Thomas Jefferson's brother instead?
Originally Answered: Isn't it possible that Sally Hemming's children were fathered by Thomas Jefferson's brother instead?
No, Randolph Jefferson wasn't at Monticello when Sally Hemings conceived her children.
Sally Hemings had six children:
Harriet (i) (born October 5, 1795)
Beverley (born April 1, 1798)
Thenia (born 1799)
Harriet (ii) (May 22, 1801)
Madison (January 19, 1805)
It’s wild how many lies we have to survive in public school. I was told that he killed all the kids and stuffed their bodies under his house.
You were probably told that about Benjamin Franklin?
Yeah, no, that's a popular myth about Ben Franklin being a serial killer.
Get your fake facts straight
VA genealogists have "verified" I descend from one of Jefferson's uncles. The DNA Y chromosome perplexes me as he is (alleged) a K haplotype and I am (and other males) I1b2. So if genealogists are correct, whom descends from that man who had some hanky panky?
Sally Hemmings was the 1/2 sister of his 1st wife & was said to resemble her. He clearly had a fondness for her. Also, Hemming's children were the only ones he managed to free. She was at least very important to him.
Exactly these people are delusional and weird!
Everything you brought still does not prove she had children with him.
Randolph Jefferson more likely.
It went from Jefferson DNA to fact it was Thomas.
There was a political motivation for making Thomas the father of black children. As the woman falsely said,the linking of blacks biologically to a white founding father is the only way blacks can be included in America which is absurd
@@lindaeasley5606 never said he was the father but they were definitely family & you only have pure speculation it wasn't him either.
@@lindaeasley5606 What are you talking about?! Sally Hemings was a woman of color but she was one-quarter black and the half sister of Thomas Jefferson's wife. You're a classic Jefferson defender and you're only using his brother as a easy way to make Thomas Jefferson seem innocent when he wasn't! Thomas Jefferson's slave Israel Jefferson confirmed that Thomas Jefferson was on "intimate terms" with Sally Hemings, as well as Madison Hemings confirming everything with DNA evidence and other facts proves Thomas Jefferson was the father.
Citation needed. Wild conjecture is a poor substitute to the DNA evidence you are denying. You are emotionally tied to this story because it feeds into your superiority complex as opposed to seeking the truth. It makes a good Hallmark movie, but the evidence doesn't back it up.
Jefferson was 39 years old when his wife Martha died. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in the historical record indicating he ever had another romantic relationship after his wife's death, other than with Sally. Is it your contention the guy was celibate for the 44 years he lived after Martha's death? By all accounts, Jefferson was deeply devoted to Martha and fell into a clinical depression when she died. But what you also leave out is that Sally bore a striking resemblance, not only physically but also temperamentally and intellectually, with Martha. No doubt this was not coincidence, since Martha's father, like many Virginia planters, fathered children with his more attractive slave girls. Martha and Sally almost certainly were half sisters.
Annette Gordon-Reed made an interesting statement "The notion of who gets to pronounce a historical truth is very, very contested territory . The heresy was believing black people" Renowned historian recounts Jefferson-Hemmings controversy for Clark audience December 2018 Clark Now Clark University
Sir, your last statement about History being about truth is what grabbed my attention ! Yes, History "should" be about truthfulness but most folk would rather deny the truth if it is going to taint who and what they believe they are. Americas past is full of hidden atrocities and those of us who are aware of this are more inclined to believe that this story holds some truth. I grew up believing my family was from African decent, but after looking into my DNA story It was revealed that my ancestors were white! I was not surprised due to the things that were going on in the country at different times. Jefferson was no different, he too was involved in having his slave Sally and I have no doubt that he fathered all of her children. Heck, Sally was the product of the same type of atrocity so there is no doubt in my mind that the Jefferson/Heming's story is true.
Thank you for laying out the facts. So much of what society "knows" isn't true.
I’m sorry, but this antiquated white southerner is extremely wrong. TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@ninedaysqueen301 “pushing back” has no power here. The historical facts are arrayed against your position.
@@tenther5019 How is it pushing back? Holowchak has an extremely minority view and his book “Framing a Legend” is extremely erroneous. For example, he claims that the descendants of Eston Hemings said they descended from an uncle of Jefferson, yet that was a story made up by Eston Hemings’ great grandsons amid the one drop rule and other racial segregation policies in the 1940s. Additionally, Abbeville Institute has ties to league of the south-a white supremacist group. To add salt to the wound, no serious modern scholarship of Jefferson’s life has doubted that Thomas Jefferson had a sexual relationship with Sally Hemings, yet Holowchak, who clearly admires TJ, doesn’t want to believe it. Monticello itself, which runs TJ’s house, has affirmed the paternity. The facts aren’t coincidental: it’s just how people interpret them, and Holowchak chooses to continue to deny Sally’s children’s’ paternity.
@@ninedaysqueen301 “Push back” is exactly what the video cited. Only one Hemming’s child has DNA support for a Jefferson male’s paternity, so the only legitimate claim is that one child MAY have been sired by TJ. As cited Jefferson denied the allegation. Any other testimony can only counter claim, not definitively prove. To be accurate, Holowchak only denied the likelihood of paternity. As for Abbeville, it is the ONLY alternative distinctly southern perspective in the current incestuous hive culture of pop academia. If nothing else, their minority viewpoints should cause one to at least contemplate Big Education’s monolithic narratives.
@@tenther5019 The DNA evidence is only icing on the cake: there is lots of other historical evidence (testimonies from friends and people who knew SH/TJ, the conception dates, etc.) that you and Holowchak seem to be ignorant of. Annette Gordon-Reed, the leading scholar on TJ/SH, made the case long before the DNA evidence came out (read her book “Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings” please, it’ll definitely change your mind). Yet, people continue to deny the story because they don’t want to believe that TJ had an enslaved mistress. This was a common practice in VA at the time: for example, when his son-in-law’s [John Wayles Eppes’] wife, TJ’s daughter Maria, died, he took an enslaved woman named Betsy Hemmings (who was Sally’s half-niece via her half-sister Mary) as a concubine and had children with her. TJ is no exception here.
Holowchak is a poor scholar and in FAL he falsely claims that “racial bullying” and other “psychological” motives led people to “falsely” believe TJ/SH happened: again, that is not why. The historical evidence has always favored a TJ/SH sexual relationship.
Abbeville is an extremely ridiculous and comical institute with the goal of “southern education” tying into their neo-confederate beliefs (please tell me you don’t have respect for the CSA) and ties to white supremacy. Would you expect this group to want to admit a Founding Father had an enslaved concubine?
Well then, I guess I can exclude Monticello from my next tourism jaunt to Virginia. Been there already anyway. But if, as some posters here have written, the guides focus on and emphasize the alleged affair to the exclusion of all else in Jefferson’s existence, then I think I can safely sit that one out. I can’t turn on a radio or a TV set without being assaulted with inclusivity politics here at home, so I see no need to pay tour guides to hear it in person.
Was there last month, they did spend quite a bit of time on Sally Hemings and stated the affair as fact, but also made it clear that it was the position of Monticello. Most in my group weren’t very interested in that angle. I wanted badly to argue the point as I had read the initial DNA results and the subsequent clarification. I decided not to do so. I enjoyed much more the stories of the man who actually did the great deeds as opposed to where he allegedly placed his…. This issue is clearly one to stir racialist sentiment and to denigrate the man, as if it were true and proven it would make him be seen in light of his abolitionist views as all the more great. I dislike this revisionist history so much.
Close your eyes to the truth, huh?
Tons of males OUTSIDE of Jefferson's line had the SAME Y chromosome. I have the Y typical of Vikings, but ALL the Viking males could not have been my ancestors
Nonsense! All the Vikings slept with your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandmother.
@@zsedcftglkjh I have slept with a few myself, so I get your point
Not true
Thank you Sir for explaining this so eloquently!!
You are welcome.
@@markholowchak6972 You have heard rumors that Sally Hemings was possibly a half-sister to Thomas Jefferson's wife. Could that possibly explain the DNA relationship?
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@williambilyeu9801 That wouldn’t be why. The Jefferson Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) come from a direct male line. Sally couldn’t give her Y-Chromosome or paternal haplogroup to her children as a woman. Therefore, a male in the Jefferson family (almost certainly Thomas) was the father of Sally’s children.
Nobody in my family ever believed the Hemming claim. We're descended from Randolph, my great-grandmother and my great-aunt did family's history & genealogy back to Peter ( and then beyond to his ancestors in U.K.)
Why would your opinion even matter? You weren’t there to see any of it.
Is it possible that a white slave owner, even though married, could be sexually attracted to a very beautiful slave woman? The myth: of course not. The slave owners were upright and moral. But the evidence is clear that many slave owners had sex with beautiful slave women in spite of being married and enjoyed it. Thomas was no exception. Let's get real.
William Ellison was one of the wealthiest men in the South as well as being a black, former slave. He owned cotton gins, plantations, and 68 slaves. And from accounts of the time, he wasn't very nice...At the peak of slavery in the United States, large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves, in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a very small minority of whites owned slaves. In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more.
i would like to know what that has to do with Jefferson.
@@deathtracer Only the power of love can be felt beyond death and beyond time. You must remember that you cannot see the past with the eyes of the present unless you are willing to endure the pain of the path that leads to it. My point is that while we readily accept that humans can love their pets, it has become unthinkable and forbidden to think of a slave owner loving and benevolent towards their slaves, to do so in this age is simply forbidden. Only one brush is allowed when painting their character.
@@ChacoteOutdoorRecreation that sounds like an apologist. Wrong is still wrong. Talking about freedom and having people in bondage is conflicting.
@@deathtracer If wrong was always wrong, man would never be able to do evil to bring about a greater good, victory would only be remembered as mass murder and open-heart surgery would be a theory only. All Nazis are bad, Schindler was a nazi, absolutes rob us of understanding and corrode our perception of history. The teaching of American history has been crafted with an agenda by Leon Trotsky and is the tool that Marxist destroyed us with. John Brown was captured and executed a white man, and yet if you ask a black teenager about him, you will only receive silence. This is not by accident.
Does the DNA of the White Jefferson descendent match the DNA of the Black Jefferson descendent?
Brothers would show a familial match but would not be exact? It would be possible to tell which brother matched the DNA sample.
Are there known children of his brother and his uncle?
Whatever the truth of the parentage of Sally’s children may be, it may not have been a matter of rape. Slavery warped human relationships so much. The concubine of the master (or his brother) would have a top position in the hierarchy of the servants and this is something that a young slave woman might have felt was a great opportunity. What were her other choices? We hope that Mr Jefferson had the high morals that everyone is wishing for, but he was a single man of rather young years.
The key is to think of Thomas Jefferson as the first Democratic Party Boss. He was a political boss, not a classical hero.
I’ve had five visits to Monticello over the years with the first being around 1997. When I returned two years ago I was surprised how much slavery was brought to the forefront. Jefferson the man now takes a backseat to him being a slaveholder. We cannot change history and it should be viewed as it was in that time period as historical record and what was the norm of the time, but we shouldn’t keep putting Jefferson on trial in our current time. A better analysis of the Hemings issues should be explored and I am hopeful your arguments are considered.
Really, cause that’s how he ran his plantation.
Please explain the close proximity of his bedroom to hers?
Exactly! As well as all the other evidence that proves he's the father.
This, and the comment below, are precisely why this video is so important. No evidence "proves" Jefferson was the father of any of Hemings's children. That is a lie promulgated by politically motivated historians who want to portray Jefferson as a hypocrite and slave rapist. All of it is circumstantial, even the DNA evidence that a "Jefferson male" fathered ONE of Hemings's children, not six. It could have been Randolph, it could have been TJ, or it could have been someone else. But direct evidence is against the assertion, as the video proves, if you choose to watch it.
As for the "close proximity" of Hemings's bedroom to Jefferson's, this is also a lie. No documentary of physical evidence exists that shows where Hemings had her bedroom. It is a guess based on circumstantial evidence and one that was crafted for political purposes. The two lies serve the same purpose: reduce Jefferson's profile, diminish his reputation, and place an insignificant issue at the forefront of the conversation about Jefferson to deflect from his real importance to American history. Only Washington among the members of the founding generation was more important.
"As Thomas Foster, history professor at DePaul University points out in the Huffington Post, the room wasn't necessarily Hemings' living quarters. Jefferson’s grandson was a notoriously unreliable source of information, and there is no direct archeological or documentary evidence tying Hemings to the room in the south wing. In fact, Thomas writes, that the entire space was used for house slaves." www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/sally-hemings-gets-her-own-room-monticello-180963944/
@@abbevilleinst There actually is lots of evidence that proves Thomas Jefferson was the father of her kids, DNA evidence just helped prove that fact even more. Thomas was no saint and I think it's pathetic that you Jefferson defenders think he's above taking advantage of Sally Hemings but isn't above owning and having slaves whipped.
@@Rozziefeatherschneider No, actually, "lots of evidence" does not exist "proving" TJ was the father of any of her children, unless that is you consider imagination "evidence."
@@abbevilleinst It's okay. You can deny the oral history of the family as well as the oral history of the slaves at Monticello, also the so called "circumstantial events" that took place. It must be a big coincidence that Thomas was there everytime at Monticello when Sally's children was conceived.
It’s our American History. Fun fact: New York State never had a law against interracial marriage on the books.
I'll stick with Jefferson's writings !
James, that is the way to do it!
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@ninedaysqueen301 quite possible but that does not take away from Jefferson's brilliant mind.
@@jamestregler1584 TJ’s paternity of Sally’s children doesn’t change anything, agreed. I just wish people didn’t believe that.
@@ninedaysqueen301 Any children out of marriage is not good ; look at our country since 1960 .
@polarisedelectrons Pardon me, my mistake
Sooo.... his relatives did but he would Never?
Do you do everything your relatives do?
@@elisabethkolling6697 Somethings, but not everything. But if my relatives ate cookies and crumbs were on my chin. I probably ate cookies too.
@@cynthia3433 Wow, I can't think of better proof than this statement. The prosecution should rest on this alone!
@@cynthia3433 But there are no crumbs on his chin absolutely 0 actual evidence
@@harmonwatson7511 I would challenge that thought. First, his estate accepted the DNA results that he in fact fathered children with Hemings. Second, imagine you are one of the most revered men in the world on a trip abroad to meet international dignitaries. You are known for caring about your appearance and attire. Who do you bring to help you that? Your wife? No. Your experienced servants? No. You bring the 16 year old beauty. Third, let's be clear why this so hard to accept for some. It isn't because she was young and he was old, or even that she was enslaved by him. I believe it is because some cannot tolerate the thought that there are Black descendents of Jefferson walking the earth even as we speak.
Current racism denying past racism 😂
I always find it funny, that Sally Hemmings is shown as beautiful. There's no way they could know what she really looked like.
the truth is, he loved S lemmings. the entire cpntroversy, just dismissed that fact
I think he definitely had a strong desire for, not sure i would call it love since he never stopped treating her as a slave and his property. I think he saw so much of his deceased wife in her, that it was like having her back again. Loosing his wife was apparently extremely difficult for him to the point that he took a position in France bc it was too painful for him to be in their home without her. I believe that was why he was willing to negotiate free all her future children at 21, if she would return with him from Paris, where she was free, to America where she would go back to being a slave. He knew giving her her freedom, would likely result in her leaving and he didn’t want to loose her as it would be like losing his wife all over again.
As far as Sally herself having romantic feelings for him, I honestly don’t think she did. Her mother was the daughter of a white man and African woman who went on to become a house slave & mistress to the white man who owned her (Jefferson’s father-in-law) after the death of his wife, who was her father. She saw the difference between the way her mother, siblings & her were treated vs the way the other slaves were treated, as well. A big example was that unlike most children of slaves being sold off at a young age, her siblings were all kept together with their mother. When her father died, they were immediately taken to Monticello so they wouldn’t be split apart when his assets were being split between his other children. Jefferson gave them their sur name “Hemings” (which is the last name of her mother’s white father) at a time when slaves were only given a first name, to show them as a family unit. Sally would likely have been taught that by being the mistress she would be able to give herself and her children the best life she possibly could in that time. So people think they were in love, some people see her as a victim, but personally I believe she was an smart woman who knew how to use what she had, to her advantage to ensure the best life possible for her children. She was an intelligent woman, not a victim
I didn't consider that Thomas Jefferson's Brother (Randolph Jefferson) could've been the father of Sally Hemming's Children. That'd fit in with the DNA information too.
Excellent.
Great information! Thank you!
Did Thomas have a Jefferson uncle who could have been with Sally? How many other Jefferson males were there?
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@barbaramarrs5113 No. TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Also, by the time Sally started conceiving, TJ’s uncles were long dead.
@@ninedaysqueen301 ---How does the DNA of Randalph descendants compare to TJ. I am not one who jumps to conclusions were ancestors are concerned. Too many oops are possible. My own family has some questionable family connections.
@@barbaramarrs5113 All of the men in the Jefferson family would have the same Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (Jefferson Men have the k2 Haplogroup). When DNA evidence revealed that Eston Hemings had been fathered by a male Jefferson rather than one of the Carr brothers, as the white family purported for all of the children, discrediting the family lie promoted by TJ’s grandkids. TJ’s eldest daughter, Patsy, took the Sally stories extremely personally and was hurt by them. The other striking evidence, such as all of Sally’s children being named after TJ’s person friends and relatives, his presence every time she conceived, the freedom of her children being granted (and the extent TJ went to allow them to stay in VA), and the fact that TJ’s own friends and neighbors said the story was true leaves little room for who else could’ve been the father.
Randolph Jefferson only became the fall guy for traditionalists and racist white descendants of TJ after the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie.
As Maury would say, “Thomas… YOU ARE THE FATHER!”
Before I was TJ I was Joan of France. Would Joan hurt Sally ?
Did you actually read her book?
The first time our family visited Thomas Jefferson ' s Monticello in the 1980s, again in the 1990s. Then lastly we visited in 2018. The change in the narratives by the staff who escorted and spoke to us vastly changed to focus more on the Sally Hemmings story than Jefferson himself. I'm not exaggerating and may be softening it altogether. I get tired of hearing how awful people perceive historical facts, and people mixed with fiction...resulting in reverse racist inflammation due the current agenda. I will read the other comments here, but wonder if someone else noticed the same.
George Washington did not rape his female slaves in the same way that Jefferson did. It is well known by those of us who live in and around Alexandria, Va and Mount Vernon that George Washington was a homosexual. He fancied boys and young men. This is why the British authored the song "Yankee Doodle Dandy". The term "Yankee Doodle" was 1700's slang/pejorative for a homosexual man who liked to grab the d#cks of other men. Washington's "proclivites" became undeniable when Washington contracted the services of the Prussian military trainer Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben. Steuben had been forced to flee Germany and his army post due to accusations of improper sexual conduct with boys/young men under his command. During the winter at Valley Forge, Washington and Steuben even shared a cabin together. The cabin had one bed. It is believed that George's marriage to Martha was a sham, and that she was his beard. They never had children and it is rumored that they never even consumated the relationship.
There's no such thing as reverse racism
There is only racism
Humans all over the world exhibit racism against each other
It is unfortunately a human trait that we continue to deal with
Of course we all know how those slaves just lied about the abuse they suffered, and the children they had.
I am assuming your age is above 40, let me ask you this: why did you choose to be stupid? Read mrs Gordon-reed. She answers your question. Let me summarize what she did for you: she completely destroyed all white historians who wrote about Jefferson.
@@ericday4505 Of course we all know how many fools today like YOURSELF just love to race grift, and to spread rumors and outright lies instead of the truth. Move along, race grifter.
There is also evidence that Sally Hemings was a half-sister to Thomas Jefferson's wife.
Well known FACT
Excellent. I had thought it was one of the Randolph's who had fathered the children with Sally. But I guess because they're not as well known and Sally was owned by jefferson, he's the easy scape goat? I want facts not conjecture. Great video.
I. Love. Thomas. Jefferson
I stand with you!
It sounds more plausible that it was one of Jefferson’s male relatives who did this, particularly his younger brother.
The potential reason for why Thomas Jefferson would have gave Sally special treatment after the fact is simply due to Thomas knowing about the affair and him not wanting one of his slaves to be subject with the burden of raising - in effect - his biological nephews and nieces.
Exactly. SH was his wife's half-sis. That seems to be true.
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@ninedaysqueen301, except this is contradicted by other such statements on the matter as well as the fact that DNA sampling for males is not a precise science.
Where it’s easy to trace down female lineages due to Mitochondrial DNA coming directly from one person (I.e. your mother carrying through into pregnancy), male lineages are harder to pin down through genetics as there aren’t any specific DNA markers that are unique specifically to one, male individual. The closest you can get is a group of males of the same lineage, but not any one, specific individual.
In this case, there are also records indicating it was Thomas Jefferson’s brother who had slept with a number of enslaved women and was notorious for the behavior. Considering he also visited Monticello as well, it’s just as likely he had slept with her as it is Thomas Jefferson.
@@MatthewChenault There are no records of Randolph Jefferson ever being with Sally or other enslaved women. The memoirs of Isaac Granger are often cited as evidence for Randolph being the father, yet the line merely says he often danced with slaves and fiddled on Mulberry Row, not sleeping or wooing them.
Also, the possibility of Randolph being the dad only came as a fall back after the 1998 DNA study exonerated the Carr brothers and discredited Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph.
@@ninedaysqueen301, except the fact that the Jefferson family literally said that Randolph was the one sleeping around and attributed the act to him…
It’s a scam and lies.
I assume this means you’ll stop opening your videos with references to this slanderous lie.
That was refreshing
Excessive focus on a concubine is intensely annoying, however, in Jefferson's case, it is his just deserts for being a rascal. The idolatry of those who worship the Founders and Thomas Jefferson is a curse on America, Jefferson was not a righteous pagan. He was an infidel who set America down the wrong path. James Perloff makes a good case that it was Thomas Paine who wrote the Declaration of Independence, which would actually be a mark in Jefferson's favor, to not be responsible for the silly rhetoric of that document. Jefferson in 18th Century Paris sent his daughter to a convent but he wouldn't have any interest in his wife's sister. I'd think if he had something against the old planter "patriarchal" lifestyle he would never have been married to Sally Hemings sister.
There is always someone.
There is always a black person who is angered by the questioning of their lies.. for it makes them uncomfortable.
@@nodruj8681 It's four weeks later when I noticed your reply. I sense somehow that you're the type who denies climate science. I cannot save you from yourself. The Thomas Jefferson Foundation, that runs Jefferson's home at Monticello as a museum tells the full story of Sally Hemings -- as fact. There is always someone who refuses the fact. The fact that you introduced race into this does not speak highly of you.
Talk about cherry-picking. Sally Hemings only became pregnant when Thomas Jefferson was in residence at Monticello, never mind any of his male relations. You forgot to mention Abigail Adams was scandalized that when Jefferson had his daughter Maria sent to Paris, she was accompanied by Sally Hemings and Abigail worried about what Sally's fate would be. And the first mention of "Dusky Sally" was by Callendar during Jefferson's lifetime. It was an enormous scandal. As for Thomas Jefferson being such an abolitionist, the only slaves Jefferson freed at his death (unlike George Washington who freed all his slaves at his death) were Sally Hemings' children. And last but not least: the recently found 'secret room' with access to Jefferson's bedroom was obviously used by somebody Jefferson wanted to join him surreptitiously.
I read Riboud’s book about SallyHemings. I read it again and I got the impression of a vain, besotted woman giving herself airs of being mistress of Monticello. Jefferson left Sally for months at a time. He never took her anywhere. He did not free her or leave her nothing in his will. I believed that JeffersonHemings story until I visited Monticello. No way was Sally prissiness around this house. In Jefferson’s time, honor was more important. Jefferson had two daughters and I’m sure he didn’t compromise them to be with Sally. Finally Jefferson’s daughter came to live at Monticello with her houseful of children. So TJ had to mind his P’s andQ’s.
That book is fiction. A romance novel not at all rooted in any sort of reality.
He took her to Paris specifically BECAUSE she was the nursemaid and close friend to both of Jefferson's daughters.
Also yeah, have the slave owner bring his slave mistress out on the town, sure to get a few heads turning. You are actually denying facts... with your feelings...
@@Thobeian Facts were stated in my post. It doesn’t matter what you or I feel about them.
There should be more DNA test. The promise was made to free Mrs. Sally Hemings' children when she was very young and she was in Paris. They were free and I wonder why?
James Callender drowned drunk in the river, right?
What do you love more, the TRUTH or an agenda? If you love the truth you'll OBJECTIVELY examine ALL of the facts to get to there. If you love an agenda you'll cherry pick FACTS. There's A LOT the latter that goes on nowadays and much less of the former. ALL of the facts point to NO affair between Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. It is what it is. DEAL W IT
"History...is about truthfulness." Seriously? What planet are you from?
So a old man tapped a young girl
It still happens today
Well but ppl have taken it too far nowdays. I mean there are & always have been actual victims but a 15-16 year old having sex with their 18-19 year old boyfriend is not in any way a victim. And thats how bad ppl have taken the extreme to- have heard ppl call those 18-19yr olds "child molestors" smh. No thats a normal 18-19yr old
Its possibly true that he would have fathered her children,after all darth vader was Luke Skywalker s father.who would have guessed that? Anything can happen in fantasy land.
He daftly ignored the humanist fact, that Sally H. was the splitting image of her half sister, Jefferson's deceased wife! (If that's ignored by him, what else too?) Jefferson, " All men are created equal!" Came out of some reflection, in his life, as a human!
The Abbeville Institute was founded in 2002 in an effort to preserve the history and culture of the American South.
Of course the institute can't allow, that whites in the American South get annoyed, because one of the white founding fathers did make children, while having a life long affair with a beautiful female slave. I admire Jefferson! As a Dutchman from the Germanic tribe of the Tubanti, I understand Jefferson, since my beautiful Dominican wife has mixed origins like Sally Hemmings with grandfathers from Dominican; Haitian; Spanish and the Dutch East Indian origin.
So the whole 1619 thesis wasn’t the first MYTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤔
Read Fawn Brodies bio and Annette Gordon-reeds The Hemingses of monticello
Wow! Thanks for suggesting that. We've never seen that book before. We were not familiar with "Annette Gordon-reeds". Must be a new historian. Nor with "Fawn Brodies" Again, has to be great.
@@abbevilleinst See a summary of the debate. It seems even conservative Joseph Ellis has to admit Jefferson and Sally had a relationship. citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=04f602a21b0f909de70147a6b3fdcbe6d224c6e0
The myth always rubbed me wrong
TJ was the father of Sally Hemings’ children whether you like it or not. TJ’s friends (ex: John Hartwell Cocke) and neighbors admitted the story was true on numerous occasions (this is where James Callender and other prior journalists almost certainly received their information about the paternity of Hemings’ children) between 1800 and 1811. Madison Hemings himself said TJ was his father on at least two occasions: in 1870 to a census taker and in his 1873 memoir-that same paternity presented in his memoir was also corroborated by another former Monticello slave, Israel Jefferson. The white side of TJ’s family could never get their story straight: two of Jefferson’s white grandchildren, Ellen Randolph Coolidge and TJ Randolph, said the Carr brothers (Samuel or Peter, they didn’t agree on which one) were the father. Ellen was the grandchild who stated one of the Carr brothers was the father of ALL of Sally’s children-this is obviously false with the knowledge that Eston Hemings had the Y-Chromosome and Paternal Haplogroup (k2) found in other Jefferson men. This discredits Ellen as a source for the paternity of Sally’s children. To add salt to the wound, Ellen claimed she learned of the paternity of Sally’s children from her brother, TJ Randolph. This also discredits TJ Randolph, who already was a questionable source after telling an almost certainly fictional account of how the Carr brothers disgracefully admitted to being the fathers of her children. Furthermore, TJ was the only male Jefferson present every time Sally conceived: she never conceived when he was away from home at Monticello. The denial of TJ’s paternity has only come as a result of traditionalism, racism, and upset among TJ’s white descendants. After the 1998 DNA study discredited the family lie of the brothers Carr, they placed the blame on Randolph Jefferson, TJ’s brother, who essentially is now their fall guy. They’ve also said and sent some VERY racist things to the Hemings family and white relatives who defended the Hemingses (such as John Works Jr who sent a VERY racist image to Lucian Truscott of an African-American as a “joke”). That’s the only reason doubt her persisted: the fight of a very vocal, majority-white minority which has refused to believe TJ could’ve possibly fathered an enslaved woman’s children. People can preach one thing, but believe another: that’s what TJ did. He was a lonely widow who needed companionship: that’s what he found in Sally Hemings. Many plantation owners in Virginia did it, TJ is no exception. Don’t deny the paternity because you don’t want to believe TJ was the father.
@@ninedaysqueen301 just because there is no evidence doesn't make someone a racist. If anything you sound like a racist
@@ninedaysqueen301You copied and pasted this quote like 9 times on this thread lol
Great information
I think it's easier to see a lot more about Abigail Adams whining that her 14 year-old slave girl doesn't want to work as a slave than it is to see anything about Sally Hemings. That's a real weakness in the video's argument, and suggests a racial agenda by anyone trying to spread the notion there's relevance to this case there.
The fact that his family genes were present would not indicate a ZERO percent chance that Thomas was the father. Please be completely educated before providing education on a subject.
Also, many males were present at Monticello. It does not mean she slept with them. AND…how disgusting of you to make an assumption that because a 14 year old girl wanted male attention means that she wanted intercourse. Many young ladies TODAY want the attention of men to boost self esteem. It does not mean they want to be sexually active.
By all means, it is easier to paint the slave as promiscuous than it is to admit that Thomas took the same liberties as MANY slave owners took.
He is presenting history and shedding light on the evidence. You seem to think this is a slam dunk case but this would not be enough paternity evidence in a modern court case. Stop your bizarre virtue signaling. The shoes you wear are from slave labor.
racists re-write of history.
EXCELLENT , WELL. REASONED. VIDEO
Horrible attempt to soften the image of a person who served an American president and owned slaves.
This man is being academically rigorous. There are standards to uphold. Unfortunately, much of modern so-called 'scholarship' is tendentious politicized garbage. To be honest, I don't really care about the sex lives of either Jefferson or Hemings. Both appear to have been very attractive people - doing what attractive people do. Jefferson obviously cared for her, so if there was a romance, all I can say is good for them.
the first successful English colony in America was built with slaves. St Augustine the oldest city in America was built with slave labor. New Orleans failed until African slaves came and built it. Monticello was built with slave labor. The people we refer to as founding fathers had free time to develop their ideas because there were slaves that took care of everything from the actual business of agriculture to literally wiping their butts. There should be no controversy.. Given that importing slaves was banned in 1803 . the vast majority of Africans came to America before the vast majority of European s.
How is it dragging him through the mud?
The entire point is to degrade one of the most important, respected founding fathers in US history by claiming he raped some of his slaves. The more you look into the actual case the more apparent it becomes that the people claiming he did at the time were political rivals or journalists trying to ruin his reputation with libelous rumors.
Methinks thou doest protest too much! And all the commenters too. Racism takes many forms. Don't forget Occam's razor.
You're literally just a retard.. the evidence is against the claim. Cry about single mother with cats
I think you only needed to add that Sally Hemings oldest child Thomas also had DNA testing and was shown to have zero relation to Jefferson, but all the other 6 are fathered by Jefferson? That doesn't stand to reason. Why not test some of the others instead of assume?
Thomas Woodson’s descendants claimed to be Sally Hemings’ despite there being no proof. That’s the supposed son, when in actuality the baby said to be him died shortly after birth.
@@ninedaysqueen301 Thomas Woodson claims to be the baby born in Paris, which means he wouldn't have been documented as a birth or death at Monticello like the other children. He was said to be sent away at age 12 after someone noted that he looked a lot like Jefferson. The resemblance was noted and written by James T Callender, a contemporary of Jefferson's. A descend of Thomas Woodson, Byron W. Woodson Sr., wrote an entire book dedicated to the lore and proof of parentage. They still believe Thomas Woodson to be the offspring of Sally and Jefferson despite the DNA evidence to the contrary. ONE child of Sally Hemmings has a DNA connection to a male from the Jefferson line. The others, just like Thomas Woodson, ASSUME relation. It's only an assumption that Sally didn't have diverse baby daddies. Yet, a letter from Abigail Adams details concern about Sally's behavior and the attention she's attracting from men. This is not definite proof of any dalliance but it's about as much proof as we have that ALL Sally's children were fathered by Jefferson or even the same man. So again I ask, why not test some of the other bloodlines?
@@jenniferjackson5301 Problem is though that when Jefferson took roll of his slaves in 1794, he wasn’t mentioned. If he was sent away at 12 (between 1801 and 1803) then why wasn’t he in the 1794 slave roll? Also Callender could’ve easily gotten his information from neighbors, as it was a story well-believed in the Albemarle area in the early 1800s
@@jenniferjackson5301 Well both sides are pretty much mad at each other, however it really originates in the White side: John Works Jr, one of the white family members, is known to be racist and led a campaign to essentially ban Hemingses from future Monticello Association events, as well as to discredit them as family members. They really rocked the boat when they asked to exhume a male descendant of Madison to disprove Jefferson's paternity: wording plays a major role!
So what her son said doesn’t matter you just ignore that fact
Many slaves claimed being fathered by slave masters
This is pure Sophistry. “Scholarship”? Her son’s testimony is secondary, but Mrs. Adam’s OPINION OF SALLY HEMMINGS is ‘Primary”?
Look up definitions of primary and secondary. MH was speaking about things before he was born. That is not admissible in courts of law and for good reasons.
It was common knowledge that slave women always proclaimed their biracial offspring to be the 'masters child' as a status symbol within their black community.
Sounds like Thomas and his brother had it going on.
seroius question: do people talk about this irl? i have never met a single person irl who has ever broached this topic, not once! yet, this is all of a sudden big news on the internet? i am struggling to understand why anyone would care whether Jefferson father a child(ren) with a slave or not (and, i'm a hobbyist historian)!
Shame on you! Some things are absolutely true and some are not. Believe everything and everyone or believe nothing. Selective bias. Also who cares? I feel sad for you, you are not clever
Exactly.
Once you go black….
Well king George 3, the loon, had a biracial wife
Queen Charlotte
Jefferson's accomplishments we of course know
A major downfall in his overall character though, is that he owned humans
"Jefferson's accomplishments we of course know". Our children for years have NOT been taught the great accomplishments of Thomas Jefferson and therein is the complaint many have that the only information given now is about Sally Hemmings.
@@marshaevelyn1Not sure if it's not taught at all
But you acknowledge that he owned humans that did forced labor for free, in order to enrich himself
Correct?
I am completely untroubled by the fact that Thomas Jefferson owned humans.
@@Mkundera That in itself is very troubling
Owning slaves was legal in his time so there wasn't any moral issue to the institution. Owning slaves was not free. They had to be fed, housed, and clothed, all of which took money.
Very interesting. But prepare to be canceled.
It's no Myth
Yeah,Sally got pregnant by herself!
Where do Whites think lighter-skinned Black's got that way?
The evidence heavily suggests he WAS the father of ALL of her children.
Thanks for letting everyone know that you never bothered watching the video, or looking at any of the evidence for yourself.
Victimhood again?!
Since the teaching of CRT is being banned right and left may as well throw this in the mix and keep it out of the classroom also. Let it be allowed only it if it states no one is certain of the exact person or persons who fathered her children. Why not? Those with the gold make the rules. Slavery is the stain on America's garment. It's indelible. It is what it is.
Thou dost protest too much. Admit TJ can be a great man and yet flawed.
We are all flawed that doesn't mean we are all immoral. The truth is important to most of us but apparently not to you.
@@livingmombirth4005 I don’t know what you mean. It was despicable what he did. And yes immoral. I don’t give him a pass and I believe TJ was the father of all of Sally’s children.
@@Nightbird1914 Apparently you didn't listen to what this man said. The chances that Jefferson fathered Hemings baby are close to zero based on the historical and DNA evidence. When you factor in the man's character and who he was the chances go to zero. That is the reality.
@@livingmombirth4005 it has been documented that Jefferson’s visits home to Monticello coincides with the dates Sally conceived. He was gone most of the time during those years and kept meticulous records that included visitors. I also believe the son’s testimony.
@@Nightbird1914 Anyone of 25 Jefferson males may have been the father of Sally's child. Concrete proof that it was Thomas Jefferson is just not there. It is very curious that so many people desperately want to blame him, and refuse to consider that the father might have been his brother, cousin or uncle. More evidence is needed, not more speculation.
Aren't you very predictable?
So Jefferson was Jesus?
Excellent deduction! Yow!!!
Give up
And find a better site than these Lost Cause fools