If you like this, you might like our first crack at ALTERNATE HISTORIES: What if Digimon had beaten Pokemon? And hey, are there other ~ALTERNATE UNIVERSES~ you'd like to see? ruclips.net/video/Ooq3GXLP2TY/видео.html
I love this series and I want more of it. Suggestion: What if Gex beat Sonic for the title of Most Popular Edgy 90s Anthropomorphic Animal In A Video Game Series? An alternate history where “It’s tail time” has the memetic status that we ascribe to “Gotta go fast”
jennas alternate history was like a hill that you slowly accelerate down, it starts with believable things and then slowly but surely starts getting more and more ridiculous, but not so much that you immediately notice. pats is like he threw me off a cliff and now i’m flailing around in the sky utterly helpless as i reach terminal velocity
@@IamJacksSTD the Snagglepuss/Cloud Strife wedding in Dragonverse Kingdom Hearts propels the gay rights movement way faster and we get marriage equality way sooner
I really liked how Jenna had a cooler tone to her footage for the alternate universe! Just the background makes it a little harder to remember which universe we’re in. I hope y’all consider bringing back those visual cues!
I think the glitch effect in the background is supposed to be the analogue here, but it's definitely subtler, and the nature of these videos bouncing back and forth between realities is that you want a very firm identifier
personally I thought the glitch background in this one was much cleaner and easier to distinguish than the cool tones, which felt really subtle to me. different strokes i guess
would also be rad if there was some other form of visual cue- like idk costume change or something fun like that? they could switch the method from episode to episode for variety! :)
Yessssss, I’m glad it seems like the alternative history videos are becoming a series, they always feel so educational while giving me information on such a specific and odd topic it will never come up in conversation. I love it. I rewatched the what if not pokémon video a bajillion times, and I’m sure I’ll do the same with this masterpiece.
ERROR: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square.
So the moral was really that the FF vs DQ rivalry we all thought about never actually existed. Even in a world where FF never takes over the world, DQ doesn’t change all that much because it was never trying to take its spot in the first place, it just wanted to do what it usually does.
ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with Final 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .
So, I made a whole thesis-length comment on the first alternate history video about how I feel like this should become a series. Now I’m not saying that I’m the sole reason that this happened...but I’m also not NOT saying it either.
as someone that knows very little about JRPGs, i genuinely don't think i WOULD notice if i lived in the dragonverse. thanks, pat, this is existentially terrifying.
ERROR: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with Final 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .
No video game crash of '82 and no meteoric rise of the NES in the US, with additional competition from Atari around the world. That would be a good one!
Patrick: What if, after one Sony meeting, Sakaguchi were to utter five words that would change history- Ad, interrupting: Watch League of Legends videos
Vox Media executives, please allow Polygon to make more of this series. I like this and am engaging with it, in a way that will be pleasing to your advertisers.
I like it too. And I have a RUclips Premium subscription, which to my understanding means Vox is getting more money from me than advertisers would give them for my view and will get that even if the series has a video advertisers don't want to put ads on.
Same! DQ9 sentinels of the starry skies was my first jrpg ever (besides Pokemon) and I still go back and play it. I thought the dragon verse here might involve leveraging the Toriyama connection between DQ and DBZ in international marketing (bc seeing that familiar art style was probably part of why my child self picked up a copy. It felt much safer to enter a world full of characters that resembled ones I already loved even though the series weren't related, than to investigate that strange final fantasy game with the strange belts)
Disagree. Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .
In all the infinite possibilities of a multiverse branching out from every fraction of a split microsecond, there is STILL not a single universe in which Nomura isn't adding belts to stuff
ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .
Ahhh, loved the sentiment that doing groundbreaking stuff is great, but making reliably comforting stuff is also good. Something that i needed to har tbh. Excited about the series!
Really hope you guys do an alternate history video with Shin Megami Tensei these videos are so educational and I want more people to learn the greatness that is SMT lmao
OMG That sounds hilarious. Imagine if a super censored new version came out, and Atlus just went full family friendly. It just becomes the pokemon of our world, b/c they rename all the demons to have fake names instead of real myths.
I think you guys have found your new hit. Please continue these - I know nothing about Final Fantasy _or_ Dragon Quest, but I was hooked from start to finish. I'm not going to compare that to any particular other hit series on this channel - and neither should anyone else *cough* - because this is its own thing. But when you can hook people like me into a 20-minute video about something they know nothing about, I think that means it's a good series. Amazing job so far, both this and the Digiverse video were incredibly compelling. Be proud.
I love that this series is both an entertaining spiral into insanity as things go more and more off the rails _and_ a genuinely interesting exploration of the real world history of popular franchises. It seems like every Polygon video these days is educational in some way and I'm glad to see that's continuing with this series!
"What if Digimon Won": Jenna expressing how much she loved Digimon "What if Dragon Quest Won": Pat expressing how he doesn't really get Final Fantasy and admits that his beloved Dragon Quest couldn't really become a cultural icon
The PS1 wasn’t more powerful then the N64, but the CD-ROM was a game changer. It allowed for the storage of more higher quality textures and FMVs. It also had a better sound chip to take advantage of CD format. However, the N64 trounced it in terms of polygon counts, game physics and environment sizes due to having a CPU that ran at 3 times the clock speed and double the RAM (quadruple if you included the expansion card). It was a different philosophy, but it was also harder to program for which made the switch to PS1 easier to swallow for many devs.
I didn't want to post an 'um, actually' comment myself, so I'm here to boost this one. Yeah, the N64 had a not-insignificant advantage over the PS1 in terms of 3D graphics horsepower.
I'm so here for another interesting series at polygon - Overboard has been the only thing keeping me around for the last year or so. Although, I can't help but want to see a little more of Pat's chaotic energy let loose in the next one. (also I see you updating those old jackbox videos, I know you know what the people want. bring back weird polygon)
I loved Jenna's Digimon video, and Pat is equally knocking it out of the park. I'm completely on board with this being a series and I'm excited what could come next
Every verse is actually Dragonverse in Japan. I means you expect three geniuses at game design(Horii), art direction(Toriyama) and composer(Sugiyama). To create unsuccessful product in their own turf?
The N64 was more powerful in terms of polygon production, not less, than the PSX. The Playstation had a better sound chip, significantly more cheap storage space available via CD media and video encoding. FFVII, one of my favorite games, does not look like Paper Mario on N64--It looks like Banjo-Kazooie. Square brings the methodology employed by Resident Evil II's release years later, less successfully since compression technology would be more embryonic, increasing the RAM Cart's unit price for the end user. This saps confidence and lowers the marketing budget. Luckily--The game is still the first JRPG to sell a million units in the West... Why? Time and place. At date of release, all N64 titles had an amazing attach rate--Something the video neglects. Final Fantasy IV (Probably correct) is a huge hit by current Square standards but a NOT system moving phenomenon. This hurts Dragon Quest, not assists it. JRPGs take a slower pace catching on in the West and Enix continues to consider North America a distant priority market. Square trudges right along but never makes Final Fantasy: the Spirits Within, avoiding the huge hit to its coffers. From there, you are past alternate history and into complete speculation. Square probably never makes the Disney deal but market conditions are probably even worse for Enix so it is likely the merger still happens, though an aquisition by a larger company is very possible. JRPGs eventually become a hit in the West but the needle mover is anyone's guess, as FFVII spawned so many imitators of various quality that entire series would likely never have been founded. The PSX, without one of its most famous system sellers, faces a stiffer uphill battle against the Saturn and much moreso against the N64, changing the industry's pattern for years to come. Square's move to the Playstation is one of the seminal moments in the industry and the then-dominant print media knew it, even at the time. But no matter how it might have been different... it doesn't turn out like this video thinks.
I have never played any of these games, but Polygon alternate reality thought experiments are _so good_ I was really interested despite that! So excited that this is becoming a series - congrats to the vid team.
This is cool as hell. I love the combination of learning about the history of Final Fantasy and how it shaped gaming alongside alternate universe memes and bonkers Sonic content.
ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .
This was amazing. Both FF and DQ1 shaped my childhood and my love of all RPGs, J or otherwise. When you said "DQ11 most recent since 2017" I was confused, but then I realized they announced DQ12 a week after you posted this lol.
A... a running series from Polygon since Brian left? YES! YES! PUT IT IN MY VEEEEEEEEEEINS! Also, for an episode idea? If any of the Halo-killers actually killed Halo. Take your pick. I think Haze would be the funniest example.
I would love to hear about an alternate history surrounding Chrono Trigger and its sequel Chrono Cross. They never got their third instalment in the form of Chrono Break, in part due to Final Fantasy's success. It could have unleashed a serious craze for multiple timelines.
@@Avendesora i think it relates. The title is misleading, as if DQ doesn’t sell. As if DQ isn’t a lucrative franchise. It is, but more so in Japan. The initial sales numbers for the most recent entries confirms DQ XI outsold FF XV. The title makes it sound like DQ is a dead franchise when its clearly not. All I’m saying is the title should just say “in the West” because it seems disingenuous. Also, there’s really nothing to get angry about here. Idk whats up with your last comment, but we’re just two people talking about games we both like. Final Fantasy is chill.
@@Avendesora the word “beat” insinuates one is defeated. So, thats probably where my issue comes from. Sorry I mistook your confusion with me for anger. Emotions can be hard to read over text.
i’ve played a half dozen dragon quests, but i couldnt get more than 5 minutes into final fantasy. im already living the dragonverse babey. just wish i could be in the universe where theres a remake of dq9 😢
kinda disappointed by this video. i was so excited for a new polygon series, and i still will be, but i was hoping for a bit more love for the franchise this video was ostensibly about? it ended up just feeling like how ff loses rather than dq wins with a moral tacked on about different values in gaming rather than investing in exploring those in a franchise that might not be as popular. that hurts a bit
It was CD having higher storage capacity rather than power wivh made Square turn FFVII from N64 to PS1. N64 was actually more powerful by quite a margin.
For one thing a LOT more people would read Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai Manga and watch both anime adaptions. Giving it the proper respect it deserves. Instead of it being criminally slept on in our universe.
I think the problem with the senario is forgetting the N64 Disc Drive. It could have been a success if a major title was released on it. Though it would delay production, so FF9 and FF10 would been exclusive to GameCube with FF9 being a likely launch title.
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If you like this, you might like our first crack at ALTERNATE HISTORIES: What if Digimon had beaten Pokemon? And hey, are there other ~ALTERNATE UNIVERSES~ you'd like to see? ruclips.net/video/Ooq3GXLP2TY/видео.html
I love this series and I want more of it.
Suggestion: What if Gex beat Sonic for the title of Most Popular Edgy 90s Anthropomorphic Animal In A Video Game Series? An alternate history where “It’s tail time” has the memetic status that we ascribe to “Gotta go fast”
What if Blockbuster invented Steam instead of Valve?
What if Dungeon Dice Monsters had actually been a hit spinoff from Yugioh?
What if the McElroys were still at Polygon?
What if Blizzard never brought StarCraft to Korea?
for anyone anxious that pat might not talk about wrestling: 11:47
thank you
oh good I was worried
666 likes oooo
I like that Pat casually uses “Booboo’d” for Aeris before explaining its origin in the alternate universe
That’s because we are living in the Dragonverse but don’t even know it
I was just willing to accept it
I heard it but I completely misunderstood the reference to Booboo Bear's tragic death.
I totally didn’t catch that, damn that’s some subtle foreshadowing
in an alternate universe this video is presented by Jenna.
“What if final fantasy beat dragon quest?”
I can't believe I just watched Pat read his fanfiction, though I'm less shocked that he included "make Robotnik sexy" as a plot point
Which is weird cus he is
jennas alternate history was like a hill that you slowly accelerate down, it starts with believable things and then slowly but surely starts getting more and more ridiculous, but not so much that you immediately notice.
pats is like he threw me off a cliff and now i’m flailing around in the sky utterly helpless as i reach terminal velocity
a whole series of alternate histories? hell yeah
“Where Snagglepuss married Tifa Lockhart...”
pat _what_, you can’t just drop that as foreshadowing and move on, this shit causes psychic damage
I'm just mad Pat didn't go with the more likely Snagglepuss and Cloud Strife. Snagglepuss ain't interested in the ladies.
@@IamJacksSTD the Snagglepuss/Cloud Strife wedding in Dragonverse Kingdom Hearts propels the gay rights movement way faster and we get marriage equality way sooner
I really liked how Jenna had a cooler tone to her footage for the alternate universe! Just the background makes it a little harder to remember which universe we’re in. I hope y’all consider bringing back those visual cues!
I think the glitch effect in the background is supposed to be the analogue here, but it's definitely subtler, and the nature of these videos bouncing back and forth between realities is that you want a very firm identifier
personally I thought the glitch background in this one was much cleaner and easier to distinguish than the cool tones, which felt really subtle to me. different strokes i guess
would also be rad if there was some other form of visual cue- like idk costume change or something fun like that? they could switch the method from episode to episode for variety! :)
Honestly I wouldn't mind them using a completely different visual effect for each video in the series haha
"Gotten Cloud's sword tattooed on your body"
Methinks Pat is projecting...
me thinking he is is projecting. *looks down at a body covered in big swords*
Yessssss, I’m glad it seems like the alternative history videos are becoming a series, they always feel so educational while giving me information on such a specific and odd topic it will never come up in conversation. I love it. I rewatched the what if not pokémon video a bajillion times, and I’m sure I’ll do the same with this masterpiece.
ERROR: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square.
I for one welcome the new dystopian mainstay series of Polygon
"Kingdom Hearts : Magilla-Drop Distance". I laughed out loud.
So the moral was really that the FF vs DQ rivalry we all thought about never actually existed. Even in a world where FF never takes over the world, DQ doesn’t change all that much because it was never trying to take its spot in the first place, it just wanted to do what it usually does.
**Spoilers**
ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square.
And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with Final 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on)
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So, I made a whole thesis-length comment on the first alternate history video about how I feel like this should become a series. Now I’m not saying that I’m the sole reason that this happened...but I’m also not NOT saying it either.
the final episode will have to be about what the world might be like if youd never made that comment
@@MaraJinksblade i was excitedly about to make this joke but you beat me to it. alternate universe where i get to make the joke. - simone
THIS IS GOING TO BE A SERIES??!?!?! THIS IS AMAZING AHSHSH
Glad you're excited!
as someone that knows very little about JRPGs, i genuinely don't think i WOULD notice if i lived in the dragonverse. thanks, pat, this is existentially terrifying.
ERROR: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square.
And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with Final 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on)
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Hell yes. What about: if ET didn't destroy the Atari?
No video game crash of '82 and no meteoric rise of the NES in the US, with additional competition from Atari around the world. That would be a good one!
The game Arcade Spirits actually takes place in that alternate universe
Favourited comment, huh. :eyes:
What if ET destroyed the entire home console industry and we still went to malls to play at the arcade?
Or even crazier, what if ET on the Atari 2600 was cancelled before release?
Patrick: What if, after one Sony meeting, Sakaguchi were to utter five words that would change history-
Ad, interrupting: Watch League of Legends videos
pat can't go a single video without mentioning wrestling and i love that for him
I mean... Sabin does suplex a train in FFVI
Vox Media executives, please allow Polygon to make more of this series. I like this and am engaging with it, in a way that will be pleasing to your advertisers.
I like it too. And I have a RUclips Premium subscription, which to my understanding means Vox is getting more money from me than advertisers would give them for my view and will get that even if the series has a video advertisers don't want to put ads on.
Considering I’ve never played a Final Fantasy.... maybe I DO live in the Dragonverse!
Same! DQ9 sentinels of the starry skies was my first jrpg ever (besides Pokemon) and I still go back and play it. I thought the dragon verse here might involve leveraging the Toriyama connection between DQ and DBZ in international marketing (bc seeing that familiar art style was probably part of why my child self picked up a copy. It felt much safer to enter a world full of characters that resembled ones I already loved even though the series weren't related, than to investigate that strange final fantasy game with the strange belts)
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I can't believe you would spoil boo-boo's death like that, have you no shame Patrick?
Ah yes, exploring that enigmatic alternate history known only as "Japan".
This turning into a series is awesome.
Last time I was this early the McElroys still worked here.
Pat is the last quality video boi standing :(
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy Clayton erasure
@@wellspokenrambler I said quality boi, not adequate boi.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy Clayton erasure
@@youknowinhindsight Clayton's boring.
me reading the "Alternate History Explained" title: HELL YEAH LET'S GOOOOOO
Pat: What if Dragonverse
Also Pat: I REJECT THE PREMISE OF MY OWN HYPOTHETICAL *flips table* thing whole thing STINKS
I never expected Sonic to come out as the surprise winner of this thought experiment, but somehow it just makes perfect sense.
Disagree. Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square.
And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on)
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In all the infinite possibilities of a multiverse branching out from every fraction of a split microsecond, there is STILL not a single universe in which Nomura isn't adding belts to stuff
ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square.
And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on)
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Right now, someone is writing a Snagglepuss X Tifa fanfiction.
im gonna delete the video
@@polygon This isn't signed by anyone. This comment was unanimous decision by everyone and I mean everyone at Polygon
Kingdom hearts with hanna barbera characters is SO CURSED
And just like that a KH mod of Magilla-Drop Distance is about to be put into being
Yeah It Might Be A Nightmare
PAT I'VE MISSED YOU. I mean I love everybody at polygon but I feel like I haven't gotten any Pat in too long
Same. This topic is very far from my gaming preference but I’ll watch and support the hell out of anything my Pat Gill does!
Ahhh, loved the sentiment that doing groundbreaking stuff is great, but making reliably comforting stuff is also good.
Something that i needed to har tbh.
Excited about the series!
I'm all here for these Alternate Histories
hurrah!
Did he really just want to talk about an alternate sonic universe? cause it felt like those were the parts he was hype for
That's the next video. The lore builds!
Dragon Quest wins...by not losing...that’s deep
"But why imagine when you have a PlayStation?" out of context is one of the my dystopian sentences ever uttered...
I've been wondering when Jenna would do another alternate history video similar to the Pokemon/Digimon one. Glad to see this becoming a series!
Really hope you guys do an alternate history video with Shin Megami Tensei these videos are so educational and I want more people to learn the greatness that is SMT lmao
Yeah, please do. Like what if Megami Tensei 2 was released as a hit in the US
OMG That sounds hilarious. Imagine if a super censored new version came out, and Atlus just went full family friendly. It just becomes the pokemon of our world, b/c they rename all the demons to have fake names instead of real myths.
I’ve watched the Pokémon video so many times. This is everything I’ve wanted…other than more cyberpunk
I think you guys have found your new hit. Please continue these - I know nothing about Final Fantasy _or_ Dragon Quest, but I was hooked from start to finish. I'm not going to compare that to any particular other hit series on this channel - and neither should anyone else *cough* - because this is its own thing. But when you can hook people like me into a 20-minute video about something they know nothing about, I think that means it's a good series.
Amazing job so far, both this and the Digiverse video were incredibly compelling. Be proud.
yayyyy, glad you enjoyed it! we've got more in the works!
"A cart racer"
They did, it's called Chocobo Racing.
They also did the minigames, on the DS, with Fable Chocobo
This video front to back was a joy to watch, but I actually cackled on your final question. So glad to see more of these alternate history videos!
Y’all did a great job with the graphics in this video. I kept pausing to read the articles and check out the dragonverse memes
I love that this series is both an entertaining spiral into insanity as things go more and more off the rails _and_ a genuinely interesting exploration of the real world history of popular franchises. It seems like every Polygon video these days is educational in some way and I'm glad to see that's continuing with this series!
That "what if he said 5 different words to sony" bit immediately cut into a commercial abt oats lol
What if he said 5 different words to Sony: "Buy my oats! Please? Pleeeeeeease?"
Mine was "I upgraded my soap"
Yay it's here! Finally! You've hinted at making this a series before and I'm so happy it's happening!
I've never been big of FF or DQ, but somehow I'm shook after this. Thank you for the psychic damage, Patrick. I will never be the same.
i love how even when final fantasy loses it still wins. i feel like everyone loves the franchise so much that we literally cant see it fail
I mean, a lot of people still brag about how much they enjoyed DQ8
I have a hard time imagining that in a universe where Final Fantasy VII isn't a major cultural phenomenon that Spirits Within would be a thing.
"What if Digimon Won": Jenna expressing how much she loved Digimon
"What if Dragon Quest Won": Pat expressing how he doesn't really get Final Fantasy and admits that his beloved Dragon Quest couldn't really become a cultural icon
The PS1 wasn’t more powerful then the N64, but the CD-ROM was a game changer. It allowed for the storage of more higher quality textures and FMVs. It also had a better sound chip to take advantage of CD format. However, the N64 trounced it in terms of polygon counts, game physics and environment sizes due to having a CPU that ran at 3 times the clock speed and double the RAM (quadruple if you included the expansion card). It was a different philosophy, but it was also harder to program for which made the switch to PS1 easier to swallow for many devs.
I didn't want to post an 'um, actually' comment myself, so I'm here to boost this one.
Yeah, the N64 had a not-insignificant advantage over the PS1 in terms of 3D graphics horsepower.
I'm so here for another interesting series at polygon - Overboard has been the only thing keeping me around for the last year or so.
Although, I can't help but want to see a little more of Pat's chaotic energy let loose in the next one.
(also I see you updating those old jackbox videos, I know you know what the people want. bring back weird polygon)
You know that anime thing? That is almost inescapably ubiquitous? Where the Hero fights against the Demon Lord. Yeah. That's all Dragon Quest 3.
Truly America's wisest gamer. 10/10 well done Pat!
so incredibly hyped about this concept becoming a series omg. this is so excellent thanks for my life
Love that according to Polygon lore, Crash Bandicoot is a real person.
Oh no, I just realized in the Dragonverse we don't get YoshiP. Cursed.
Pat's videos continue to get me invested and excited about topics I previously knew nothing about.
Goddd Kingdom Hearts with Hanna Barbara charactersss. The psychic damage that did to me
A universe where the dreamcast is a success and we got a 4th one. I'm in baby
Yes More Sega Love Next Stop The Dragonverse
0:40 a game so ahead of its time it came out 4 years before its console
oh dang, do we have more Pat art in this one? i love seeing his stuff show up in videos
"Final Fantasy Re-vision"
I love you guys.
I loved Jenna's Digimon video, and Pat is equally knocking it out of the park. I'm completely on board with this being a series and I'm excited what could come next
Just wanna say I LOVE these alternate universe videos and would love to keep seeing more of them
Every verse is actually Dragonverse in Japan. I means you expect three geniuses at game design(Horii), art direction(Toriyama) and composer(Sugiyama). To create unsuccessful product in their own turf?
thank you pat for these incredible alternate video game history memes, shitposting really is the same in all universes
The N64 was more powerful in terms of polygon production, not less, than the PSX. The Playstation had a better sound chip, significantly more cheap storage space available via CD media and video encoding. FFVII, one of my favorite games, does not look like Paper Mario on N64--It looks like Banjo-Kazooie. Square brings the methodology employed by Resident Evil II's release years later, less successfully since compression technology would be more embryonic, increasing the RAM Cart's unit price for the end user. This saps confidence and lowers the marketing budget. Luckily--The game is still the first JRPG to sell a million units in the West...
Why?
Time and place. At date of release, all N64 titles had an amazing attach rate--Something the video neglects. Final Fantasy IV (Probably correct) is a huge hit by current Square standards but a NOT system moving phenomenon. This hurts Dragon Quest, not assists it. JRPGs take a slower pace catching on in the West and Enix continues to consider North America a distant priority market. Square trudges right along but never makes Final Fantasy: the Spirits Within, avoiding the huge hit to its coffers.
From there, you are past alternate history and into complete speculation. Square probably never makes the Disney deal but market conditions are probably even worse for Enix so it is likely the merger still happens, though an aquisition by a larger company is very possible. JRPGs eventually become a hit in the West but the needle mover is anyone's guess, as FFVII spawned so many imitators of various quality that entire series would likely never have been founded. The PSX, without one of its most famous system sellers, faces a stiffer uphill battle against the Saturn and much moreso against the N64, changing the industry's pattern for years to come.
Square's move to the Playstation is one of the seminal moments in the industry and the then-dominant print media knew it, even at the time. But no matter how it might have been different... it doesn't turn out like this video thinks.
I have never played any of these games, but Polygon alternate reality thought experiments are _so good_ I was really interested despite that! So excited that this is becoming a series - congrats to the vid team.
This is cool as hell. I love the combination of learning about the history of Final Fantasy and how it shaped gaming alongside alternate universe memes and bonkers Sonic content.
ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square.
And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on)
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So the answer to “what if dragon quest beat final fantasy” turns out to ultimately be “it can’t.”
"Sega's deep pockets" is a Natalie Portman in Garden State 'something that no one's ever said or done before' move
i'm glad this is getting a series! can't wait to see more!
Pat: "Now, how can I get wrestling into this pitch..."
This was amazing. Both FF and DQ1 shaped my childhood and my love of all RPGs, J or otherwise. When you said "DQ11 most recent since 2017" I was confused, but then I realized they announced DQ12 a week after you posted this lol.
i like the line "but why imagine when you have a playstation?"
This video has even stronger Jon Bois vibes than normal Polygon content
Is the dimension this is from the fumble dimension?
A... a running series from Polygon since Brian left? YES! YES! PUT IT IN MY VEEEEEEEEEEINS!
Also, for an episode idea? If any of the Halo-killers actually killed Halo. Take your pick. I think Haze would be the funniest example.
Patrick this video was spectacular, great work dude
I would love to hear about an alternate history surrounding Chrono Trigger and its sequel Chrono Cross. They never got their third instalment in the form of Chrono Break, in part due to Final Fantasy's success. It could have unleashed a serious craze for multiple timelines.
Maybe add the caveat “in the west” because DQ still sells like crazy in Japan
@@Avendesora yeah, and I think by not saying it up front is a kind of click bait. Its fine he says it eventually. Earlier would be better though.
@@Avendesora i think it relates. The title is misleading, as if DQ doesn’t sell. As if DQ isn’t a lucrative franchise. It is, but more so in Japan. The initial sales numbers for the most recent entries confirms DQ XI outsold FF XV. The title makes it sound like DQ is a dead franchise when its clearly not. All I’m saying is the title should just say “in the West” because it seems disingenuous.
Also, there’s really nothing to get angry about here. Idk whats up with your last comment, but we’re just two people talking about games we both like. Final Fantasy is chill.
@@Avendesora the word “beat” insinuates one is defeated. So, thats probably where my issue comes from. Sorry I mistook your confusion with me for anger. Emotions can be hard to read over text.
Big fan of this alternate history stuff. Keep it up!
I would actually absolutely love it if Barret randomly said things like "lucky duck" in the middle of his usual rants
YESSSS MY DRAGON QUEST NICHE HAS BEEN FIT, I FEEL CATERED TO
I think I found my new favourite Polygon series
We are hard at work on more!
i’ve played a half dozen dragon quests, but i couldnt get more than 5 minutes into final fantasy. im already living the dragonverse babey. just wish i could be in the universe where theres a remake of dq9 😢
kinda disappointed by this video. i was so excited for a new polygon series, and i still will be, but i was hoping for a bit more love for the franchise this video was ostensibly about? it ended up just feeling like how ff loses rather than dq wins with a moral tacked on about different values in gaming rather than investing in exploring those in a franchise that might not be as popular. that hurts a bit
17:00 “It finds moderate success as a free-to-play gacha loot shooter”
This kills me. Because I know I would play that game.
Damn, this started out as a fuckin fever dream and ended up being truly insightful
The brilliance of those Alternate History articles. is just *chefs kiss*
Glad you guys had the short, I missed the notification.
Heck yeah... vindicated
my therapist: warner bros kingdom hearts isn't real, it can't hurt you
pat:
You might Wanna Change It To Hanna Barbera
Well I just got emotional over a sonic the hedgehog edit plopped on top of a Rohirim hill.
Thanks polygon, You're all great.
It was CD having higher storage capacity rather than power wivh made Square turn FFVII from N64 to PS1. N64 was actually more powerful by quite a margin.
For one thing a LOT more people would read Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai Manga and watch both anime adaptions. Giving it the proper respect it deserves. Instead of it being criminally slept on in our universe.
"There's no forum on what Final Fantasy is, or what it should be"
So what you're saying is...it's the same as our universe but without the hype.
I think the problem with the senario is forgetting the N64 Disc Drive. It could have been a success if a major title was released on it.
Though it would delay production, so FF9 and FF10 would been exclusive to GameCube with FF9 being a likely launch title.
This is an incredibly cool series. I love that you’re doing this.