Will Patch 7.3 Reinvgorate Legion?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- My thoughts on the longevity of the new Argus patch and how it will change Legion.
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How to fix WoW raiding
1) REMOVE TITANFORGING
2) ONE RAID DIFFICULTY
3) REMOVE LFR
4) ADD ACTIVATED BOSS HARD MODES LIKE ULDUAR
5)LEGENDARIES GO BACK TO BOSS DROPS WITH SOME HAVING A QUEST LINE
6) REMOVE PANDA
Can we get this guy working for Blizzard?
Jumanji Joe I dont think activated boss hard modes is smart with the wow cummunity today. if you have ever been in any Pug you know that occasionally there are people who just troll. and would push that big red button just to trigger people. and removing a race and/or and xpac is literally retarded and you know it is. its there. deal with it.
Jumanji Joe sad its so true
I can get behind removing Panda!
lol, you don't pug a raid.....
its hard to focus on the point of the video with that priest dying every clip
Alex Propst to be fair, asmon pulls like a dick... just pull steady to not give your healer a heart attack every few seconds...
i don't know why asmon always tryhards even though ppl around him are not prepared for his shenanigans...
also its only a 9 on the easiest m+ week possible. bet he just stood in volcanoes xd
shit happens man
TL;DR at 10:10
internationaleskimo best comment
I do what I can to not waste time :D
too long; did read
the game will become better when blizzard realize that raiding is not everything its an mmo we want to use world more not just a single island every new expansion
Fucking get rid of the fucking titanforging, warforging and legendaries, boom the game just became 50% more enjoyable.
Pfft! Filthy casual!
Ye because running MoS for 90+ times before 7.1 was so fun, then to see my mate who just started playing who i'm boosting getting a higher ilvl memento then me.
For myself it's the lack of adventure, immersion, and huge lack of a community. Of course it's going to lack those elements after so many years but it doesn't mean they had to completely destroy those factors. Not to mention everything is way too easy to acquire. The sense of accomplishment is missing. I always see the "well you haven't cleared mythic" bullshit argument but who the hell is going to care about mythic when you've cleared the raid on normal and heroic a bunch of times? They tried to fix what wasn't broken and completely screwed it. The game isn't an mmo anymore and you're fooling yourself if you think it is.
i unsubscribed last week . I mained a Havoc DH the whole expansion and this is the first RPG I have played where every 2 months my character and items became weaker . I leveled a Warrior to possibly main and my first 2 legendaries were the worst for either spec. The gating and time sinks in this game are so obvious the game feels like a job with random rewards . Half my order hall chest rewards have been useless ( getting a 10 or now 15+m every week) . This game is a joke and a hamster wheel for anyone who puts the time in to raid at a mythic level .
I'm glad that you feel that you quitting the game is of utmost importance that you have to announce it to everybody. Good job.
Pray keep drinking the cool aid. I think a large majority of wow players have stockholm syndrome .
You missed the i in Reinvgorate my dude
There's no i because it's inv(incible)
+Mysanni
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Reinvigorate
Sup Ya'll Its Me Its Ya Boy Asmongol'oid and today we're gonna be talking about this Coop RPG's upcoming patch 7.3.
Fun is for casuals. This man gets it.
The root desire to continue playing after reaching level cap isn't to have fun - usually its to further your place in the world, on your server. It's to exist with other players in some capacity - either by helping people, by becoming 'rich and known' via the auction house, running people through dungeons, becoming renowned for your own raiding skills, or becoming a dominant force in PVP.
The more Blizzard focuses on this way of 'forced progression', the less natural interaction they support. The fun is in winning and being the best - feeling like your time is worth something, so they should be creating and supporting existing systems that reward the player for playing, not for keeping up.
The housing in draenor started to remove player interaction by removing a lot of the 'adventuring' required to collect resources - making natural player interaction for crafting / auctioning prep removed for the most part. The class order halls in Legion brought players together briefly and sent eachother to similar places, but it wasn't natural - so for questers they were kicked in the nuts a little bit. Because though world quests and little outposts with NPCs exist, if they're suboptimal to bother with, they're de-incentivized and it makes questers who want to explore feel that they're simply going out of their way to waste time ultimately. LFG (whenever that was introduced, I forget. Cata?) de-incentivized world (natural) interaction further by allowing players to exist wherever they wanted before dungeons. The hope was it would allow players to not have to stand around outside of dungeons and instead be able to play other parts of the game while waiting - but ultimately most players would just stand around in stormwind and not really play while waiting to do dungeons anyway. Part of playing was being in that zone.
Ultimately the removal of natural world interaction removed world PVP for almost all levels. It still exists in the most current zones, but after you're done doing quests, especially if you don't care to do many of them at max level, you will not be interacting with anyone or out in the world for any reason. This lessens the amount of targets that World PVP fans have to fight, and it also removes the concept pretty much entirely from average players - which means that enemy players become only a nuisance as they level, or as they grind out other things @ cap. Since they themselves don't do much world PVP, and potentially none at all, they are unprepared to face the players that really love it and still do PVP/world pvp even though its not incentivized or forced upon anyone - so the skill gap between average players and pvpers is massive and it leaves average players with no other average enemies to fight with, and no experience of fighting they should've had.
Basically existing in the world has been de-incentivized in every angle and Blizzard keeps reducing their core player incentives down to bare bones, reducing the amount of 'optimal ways to exist' down to nothing. You don't get to 'just play the game' anymore because there's no one to fucking play with, nothing interesting happens. You just run numbers, collect numbers, cash in numbers, and roll dice covered in shit numbers. The human element is gone that made the game interesting for tons of nerds and even though you can still play with your friends, you're very rarely going to meet other players unexpectedly and thats fucked.
The last time I played WoW was right before legion and I got from 1 to 100 with my buddy with ZERO unexpected interaction. Was that my choice? Yeah. But if it was so easy for me to do that, then there are countless others doing the same thing, which further lessens the chances that exploring the world will yield fucking anything except arbitrary achievements and shit. They made a big fucking world that is already there and they decided they'd throw it in the fucking trash rather than letting any new players see it all. There are tons of people that will fuck themselves out of having old-fashioned fun because they want to play catchup, and the best way to do that doesn't involve much fun at all unless you're a special type of person. It's fucked up. I just wanna wander out in the fields and get spooked.
Honestly as someone that is actually playing legion and not just chiming in to type "Legion is shit game is dying", the core problems I find within the game are:
- Legendaries having such a big influence on dps correlated to the way they are handed out;
- Gear being able to titanforge without a cap specific to the level of content it was acquired from;
- Arguably one difficulty too much for raids (LFR just needs to be there or the incentive to invest money on instances wouldn't be there).
The first issue is the most important one as it effectively kills the possibility to make an alt unless A: you're very lucky with legendaries drops, B: you can devolve to it like 12 weeks to gather all the possible legendaries for the spec in a worst case scenario.
Overall I think legion is a pretty good expansion and I'm having fun with it.
I would love to play an MMORPG again with a ton of abilities, resistances, wierd mechanics etc. I think that would be the place I would get the most enjoyment out of. I realize however that not everyone wants this, and some people would just see it as a waste of time and just wanting to "play de best deepz" or something. I really do want to play out a fight where it depends on paladins bubbling something, mages spellstealing, warlocks banishing and controlling etc. I want to be forced to count on other players while fighting rare mobs because they hit so hard I can't survive even on a tank. That is my wishlist, I'll sign off now :P
Yeah, I agree. The class pruning really cut down on the cool stuff you can pull off when the shit hits the fan.
you should play some vanilla servers then
I have, however I feel like I would still like to play it as a modern MMO with support from a big company that can keep it running for a while.
+1, pretty much the only reason i dont play private servers anymore
Mythic Guldan was not doable without a mage spellstealing or a Warlock enslaving.
I don't think patches are supposed to change how the expansion works, dude. That'd be more what a new expansion is for. That's where the innovation is sorta pre-destined to take place. Legion gameplay is going to be the same throughout the expansion. If they want to change it, realistically, you won't be getting that until the next launch. If you're expecting major gameplay changes right in the middle of an expansion you're in for a lot of disappointment amigo.
"I don't play the game for fun. I don't have fun. Fun is for casuals."
-Asmongold 2017
So basically; "WoW is coming out with new WoW content and I don't want WoW content in WoW, cater the game to ME and remove pandas because they trigger me!!"... That about cover the comments section?
The game has plenty of vigor, to those of us that actually enjoy WoW and wanna play the game. And pandas are here to stay, fucking deal with it already...
amen dude.
that tilt when you almost equipped your full tomb set, then hit us with the warrior boots.
Legion is honestly a great way to get back into wow for me, there are some things I don't like about the current state of the game, but those are just personal issues I have with the shop aspect, honestly I'm really enjoying legion and I like the general direction the game seems to be going in.
Stop rewarding shit players. Stop handing out participation trophies. More people will come back
agreed i have some really really shit friends that end up getting bis titan forged loot and doing like negative 23 parses. it is just frustrating because some of the good players end up grinding their asses off and what is our reward?
Asmongold must have adopted HeelvsBabyface's following, Jesus. How'd you feel about that my dude?
Nah, no amount of content can fix the fundamental issues with current WoW. Legendaries shouldnt be completely random drops you can get from killing bears/doing world quest, titanforging and lfr shouldnt exist at all, etc.
I agree with everything you said except for the LFR comment. Some people can't raid but want to experience the content. Why take that away from them? It doesn't hurt you to have it in the game. RNG loot however is just bad.
Serjekk If you have the time to wait 45 minutes in queue for every single wing in LFR then you have time to pug normal mode. So unless you literally can only play 2-3 hours a week, you're just being a lazy self entitled bitch who doesnt want to work for anything, which is most LFR heroes
FUCK LFR, they can do dungeons. Make the entry level normal mode again and make people do at least minimal fuckin communication for raids again instead of afking for loot so you can then do normals later on.
Tanner Smith They think just cause they buy the game they deserve to kill the end game bosses without putting in any effort whatsoever.
LFR is fine, Make normal queueable instead. WoW's community is so fucking awful they need a queueable version of these modes just so you don't have to deal with trying to find a decent group.
I was just having this conversation with my friend last night. I've been playing the PTR after having been unsubbed for a couple of months to see if there was anything in there to bring me back, and I was having some fun, but I realized once you peeled away the story and the setting, it's the same stuff I've been doing all expansion for the same reasons. There's more world quests, more AP farming, more fetch quests, etc. I don't know that I'll be back for 7.3, but I agree. I hope they're able to find something new and fun to do to keep people around.
Thanks for sharing. I do feel like the game has become repetitive , The last couple of months I don't feel like playing, feels almost like a chore.. Glad to hear that I'm not the only person feeling this way. I liked Pandoria, (not the pandas) but the whole green grass, happy villages, more to admire in the game then death and grey everywhere. Plus I think I wanted a really long time for the new expansion to come out . You are very talented in all your videos.
You brought up a very interesting point about that "temporary" feeling. I think just that, why would I put my effort into getting ToS gear when I know it will only last about 4-6 months and then it will be pretty much completely nullified. Like you said, I'd rather have the raids transition smoother, I don't think it's wrong to have 2 relevant raids at the same time.
How do people still find it fun getting there number (ilvl) higher...
Because you get better and can progress further into raiding?
The better question is how the next expansion will be more engaging in theme than going to Argus and fighting Sargeras? It's like cleaning Mordor and then having the big finale in Rohan or some shit.
I completely agree with the point on gear up scaling across raid tiers. There's no reason that someone in normal ToS gear should be as or more powerful than someone in M NH gear when M NH is BY FAR more difficult than normal tomb
"Ugh, WoW sucks now, they should change it back to the old days before it dies.... Oh well, better keep playing the game 10 hours a day anyway."
"slightly doing better then WOD"
"Omg, i miss vanilla, when you expended 14 hours farming to get 10 gold, or 250 rep, or 1 level, that was the thing that maked this game fun, not this filthy casual stuff that you get in 10 minutes, or faster, that killed it". The same bitch about Legion "omg, more AP grinding, this is turning in to a job, wtf blizzard".
In every single raiding vanilla video (real ones, not todays private legacy servers), you see people chatting in the middle of the boss pull, standing in the fucking fire (like today) and most important...jesus, clickers, all of us. They will tell you "ohhh but that is because we were recharging mana or looking to no aggro, you noob", it's true, but what they don't tell you is that they did that (the chating, the not give a fuck) because of the almost 0 boss mechanics (i know i was there). There comes the Vanilla bitch saying that was the best ever, that the game was perfect that way and everyone is a filthy casual now. The reality is that the game was more social, yes, and some things took so much time that when you get them you feel acmplished, yes. But the rest, is false. Today bosses are fun to play against, the are challenging, you need to do a lot of shit, yesterday bosses weren't hard, they just have imposible defeatable statics, that's all. For example, you have 4 millon HP, the boss hits you with 3 millon if you stand in fire, a vanilla boss will hit you with 5 millon, no matter if you moved or no, then came the resistances to make you almost die. The farming was extreme in vanilla and almost 90% off all player base never get to see Raids. I shall remember those fat virgin cock suckers, that want to impress others, what we were called in vanilla times by EQ players, yes...filthy casuals, that was how they referred to us. There is a reason that it was called "Molten Bore".Just saying and quote me guys and girls, when you see one of those fuckers.
Wow isn't dead at all and changing it to a game like vanilla in current day probably wouldn't work that well. I just wish we had more abilities tbh, and to see gear and buffs work in bgs again
The legendaries are actually great, if the Werent randomly obtained. Make it a raidquest to get leggos to AIM towards.
Leggos are cool for class changes.
Legion almost kinda makes me miss the first half of WoD and the entirety of pandaria and prior.
Not me. Ima be honest, Legion's fine!
...I like RNG! Gives me a reason to go on MMO-champion, just to watch people cry for once!
Legion is fine except the warforge and legendary system. No expansion is perfect. Even WotLK had flaws.
Thoughts on BFA/Shadowlands?
i came back to wow and havent played since wotlk. i briefly tried the other expansions but i gotta say. this expansion is seriously amazing.. the artifact system is so cool and a lot of the other things is just really cool and got me hooked for real
I just hope they continue to fix major issues with a lot of the classes. I'm simply demotivated right now because none of the classes I play right now aren't fun :(
I'd like to see an "Obliterum" type object be made from looting the same boss over and over in order to add tertiary stats, sockets, ideal secondary stats, and ilvl. If I loot the same boss 20 times, and never get the Titanforged item with the best secondary stats, a socket etc - I should be able to destroy the 19 drops I got to improve the item I did get. Boss Specific Obliterum basically. If I get lucky then I have BiS and can focus a different slot. Also, to help what Asmongold says here - where the longevity of effort goes away so fast, you could perhaps get "extra" boss obliterum by having the previous raid tier items. So its important to progress and keep getting more and more items, but if I cleared ToS and have a full set of gear - I can then use that gear to lets say, add a socket to the next tier's items. So you're not dusting old items, you're improving your future self with every drop.
eh even though i don't play legion anymore i still found it more fun than wod and mop
I think it should be faster to obtain all Legendaries, but their unique affixes should need to be unlocked, and that would be the thing that would take a bit longer and require decision-making.
Clearing N raids in a week? Truly you're out of touch with 90% of the player base. I've been trying to get an invite for N ToS for two weeks much less a boss kill.
lol wtf how do u not get n tos invites
Because the fuckin group leaders want you to be 940 Ilvl and killed M Kil Jaeden before you can join
fucking true
lol no
7:40 I can't agree more. I stopped because I had the mentality of "Why do I even gear up when next patch that gear is no longer relevant"
Why are we talking about something that isn't even finish??
Because chances are it won't be that hard to predict what the finished thing will be.
Its the truth though every patch it seems like player interest spikes for 3 weeks then tapers off slowly.
I feel like Blizzard needs to address the legendary system somehow. Because with every new patch means new ways to get legendaries. Like 7.3 is bringing a new raid meaning now to have best chance to get BiS Lego I gotta run EN on Norm/Heroic, NH norm/heroic, ToV norm/heroic, ToS Norm/Heroic and Argus raid normal/heroic. I main a mage, i'm 5/9M atm with 13legos total has played since day 1 of Legion and only have 1 good legendary.
I didnt realise legion needed reinvigorating. Theres plenty to do. In fact people are complaining about there being too much to do. I still dont have my bis legendary, took me 28 guldan kills to get whispers in the dark for my boomy but i still dont think its bad. I still managed to get aotc kj 3 weeks into the tier and might do a bit of mythic. I dont mind the legendary system at all. Swapping legendaries and customising your talents for differentt fights is fkn awesome. I feel like you made this vid coz you had nothing to talk about tbh. Non issues man. Legion is waaaaaaaay better than wod or mop. Cant believe you can even compare them in any way.
What wow lacks, is the incentive to go back to older zones and do stuff. i would love to do meaningful stuff in elwyn forest or any other old zone. doesnt have to be killing X stuff, but maybe some other content like crafting/puzzles. or maybe just expand the world quest system to every single zone in the game with level scaling.
I am fully satisfied with legion.
I agree completely with the lack of repeatable content. I've quit Legion twice already and restarted again, because I get to level 110, gear up in mythics and since I don't have time to raid, that's all the content there is for it. I enjoyed how in WotLK, you had to do specific heroic dungeons every day to get certain epics etc, and that was really fun and entertaining for me, as well as doing Wintergrasp,...
i think they should make the argus fight only for mythic raiders creating a reason to do the raid on a higher difficulty then normal and heroic
I think overall 7.2(.5) was alright, as a lore nerd and altaholic I can say there was a surprising amount of content with class hall continuations and mounts. The problem is though that not many players play many different classes so at face value to them there's their class stuff, the mage tower challenge, ToS and the "flavorless" Broken Shore, it's not a whole lot of content for a period of several months.
And that's the overall challenge with Legion IMO, it must take a lot of time and effort for Blizzard to release engaging content for both general gameplay and class specific stuff, and looking at stuff like the Monk campaign, it was certainly hit or miss. I think with 7.3 Blizzard can take a break from class content and focus mostly on Argus and maybe some new innovative gameplay content.
7.3 Adds new Halloween items so we can be sure that 7.3 will come out before November.
I believe that Argus has a possibility. Mostly with all the story stuff going on as well as Argus just being different.
I feel like more people are gonna quit when they realize the first thing you do on Argus is destroy 3 cannons and kill 12 demons, same Northshire Valley quest different name.
what would reinvigorate the game alot is if they do something bout raiders selling raid runs.
for rwt
Make it hard to get into the raids again, long ass quest chains. Perhaps make bosses only unlockable after a specific time period?
Before every patch comes out everyone asks a question like this "will this patch save wow?" "Will this expansion save wow??". We've been asking this question every patch since mop. The answer is no
i mean im remembering back in BC when sunwell was out and for a ton of people zul'aman was still relevant. if u managed to beat sunwell even you still wanted to go back and do Black temple and others like gruul's lair for a specific piece of gear or something. this was without titanforge nonsense. wrath and up that slowly slipped away because once ICC came out no one ran the other raids for anything except maybe a lego.
I'd love to come back for 7.3, however since quitting for over a month it feels pointless to come back and be so far behind everyone on the Artifact Knowledge grind that Legion has become. It just feels like it's better to wait for the next expansion then try and play and never be able to catch up.
Tots agree; imo, mythic raiding gear should be comparable to H of the next content patch.
People say in the comments "same boring shit" Yet it's been the same for 12 years people obviously like it. Out of interest if this bores you then what content is it you want?
I want the old loot system back, is that so much to ask?
I hate needing to get a piece of armor with *RNG*, then hoping it's for the correct slot with *RNG*, then hoping it has a good i-lvl with *RNG*, then hoping it has the stats I need with, once again, more *RNG*.
I was fine with the old system of grinding a boss, and hoping for a specific piece of gear to drop with *RNG*, at least then we only had *1* level of *RNG* to contend with and not the *4* we have now.
I feel it's much more rewarding working towards a certain piece and getting it after a couple weeks, than just working on everything you can get loot from for a couple weeks and maybe never getting the correct combination.
Edit: I have no idea why youtube isn't *bolding* my text correct :(
agree if its boring to you fuck off who gives a shit no one forces you to play wow you even pay for it how insanely stupid is that
then try raiding instead of using shards to farm gear *grabs popcorn*
the lore
mamberu fully agree with you here.
The interesting thing about this is to realize that a lot of the player base does not want to compete at a high level, and still wants to experience the full story and content. To deny them that would make WoW lose subscriber exponentially, and I know people say that they do not need the casuals and they can leave, but without them Blizzard will not be making high quality expansions and patches so frequently. I would argue that the direction for WoW to take is to expand upon the competitive PvE aspect. Already there is world first raiding and now dungeons, but I would argue something else that happens more consistently should be added. I would propose something along the lines of world first races on old bosses ramped up in difficulty, but with added mechanics forcing teams to rething strageies. For example the Arthas boss fight, but adding for example armageddon from Kil Jaiden. Then to incentive this guilds that finish it within the first week gain something like an extra bank slot, or a title that can only be used by their guild members. Something along those lines would keep the PVE community more content, and give them more of a competitive content to do, while at the same time keeping the casuals happy. Something to note is do not say casuals can do lfr its really a different feel from normal which is far more enjoyable and challenging, and so another solution I would propose is to add a level of raiding between heroic and mythic, and bump up mythic gear to a higher level, or add a level higher than mythic with more mechanics.
Obviously legion has some issues but wtf ... I think Legion is one of the best addons so far and especially the best one by far since a long time... I really enjoy the game atm and I'm looking forward for more content :)
A positive comment about WoW? Something's not quite right.
i think the biggest flaw in legion so far has been the itemization, but specifically warforging.
i agree with asmongold there should be some kind of short cap to it, and in a way that makes sense and isn't just dependable on luck.
other than that there aren't many things i can point to besides ability pruning.
the artifact system is a mixed bag but IMO it has more pros than cons.
BattousaiHBr i think titanforging is one of the best additions in Legion
people are so scared of change these days
Amen, wise words #Niko
Gear is no longer the symbol of any kind of prestige, but just a simple means to an end. It replaces so fast because of the steady stream of content in Legion, that it loses it's value much quicker than ever before, and you often get very little use out of them before you replace them. This is the price you have to pay if you want more content, and personally, i'm happy to pay that price, but then again, i'm a casual player who takes what he can get. I don't worry about the longevity of 7.3, because there is a ton of things to do before the new expansion rolls around. Let's take the artifact challenges for example, only now will we get enough gear as casual players to give that place a decent try. There is also the achievements, and goodies that are locked behind unlocking certain classes artifact trait, like the demon hunter pepe toy for example. There is also the various class mounts that you can get too, and hidden skins to hunt down. There are professions to max out, and patterns to be acquired. There are sets that you can get to fill out your wardrobe. There are mounts to be found inside paragon caches. There is a metric shit ton of stuff to do, and i haven't mentioned anything about 7.3. If that is not enough, as always many people still able to fall back on previous expansion's content to clear and farm for mounts. The list goes on.
I expect the next expansion to be announced at Blizzcon. They are working very hard, and the fact that they can create new worlds to visit in a single patch makes me very confident in their ability to deliver, and not have a year downtime.
I don't think Blizzard cares about having too many difficulties of content, and it seems to me that LFR is quite popular, otherwise it wouldn't be advertised on the launcher every time a new wing opens up. I think it's up to player agency if someone decides to chose the easier option, knowing that they are not going to have the experience they are looking for. Of course you are not going to have the fight of your life, a hard earned battle in a game mode that is meant to be completed in a set amount of time like in a game mode such as LFR. They are sliced up to multiple bits, and nowadays the last bosses have their own queue slots, since they tend to be harder, and more likely to fail, and last longer. There is something to be said about normal or heroic loot getting far too close for comfort to the levels of gear that mythic can provide through RNG. Mythic gear needs to be considerably stronger, or since they probably don't want to have huge jumps in item level like that, the raid should reward something that makes up for the prestige that is removed, because the gear feels less satisfying to obtain. They are planing on having a mythic+ tournament, and if speed clearing dungeons get very popular, i don't see why the best raiders shouldn't be put on a pedestal somewhere in their capital city for example.
i miss grinding heroics to get geared for the normal raid and heroic was too hard to even consider yet. too much focus on world content, i dont want to quest for an entire expac...
I like the crafted gear upgrades, will help my underplayed alts greatly. New dungeon looks incredible.
they need lfr to be normal mode difficulty and same gear, this will assist with gear inflation
probably my favorite video on the subject, this kinda explains why the challenges were so great when they implemented them
"Eh, kinda" -Ghandi
I used to play WoW for the mount collecting. Now mounts are so common that mounts do not mean anything to me anymore. All my TCG mounts are meaningless. Rip WoW.
I think, at least to imo that, one of the biggest flaws of legion is the class design, way too many specs been simplified and removed almost all the depth any spec has. Personnally I enjoy more complex rotation which I can always get better at, a spec that has an higher skill cap, it gives me something to do. I don't care if it the same content, after all its an MMO, but as long as the gameplay is fun it wont matter as much and im less likely to get bored. Also I think that these spec should be rewarded with greater results since they are harder to play
I remember when people hated MOP but overall it ended up being amazing in a lot of aspects. And we can probably all agree other than the raids WOD was said to be horrid and that opinion still stands with most.
haha I loved the I play to win speech. I play mostly for fun but can totally respect this viewpoint
yes time passes and tiers become obsolete but you are rewarded with collectables, that's what I like
to make different raids be viable at the same time the ilvl of the drops should be closer and to do that titanforging should be removed
Catch up is always there. That lasting thing is something only Vanilla/TBC did and the result was pathetic participation numbers in the last Raid tiers. Since Wrath the design is former Raids are obsolete, and it's perfect this way.
Im curious, wasnt legion gonna be a 2 year expac (since theybsaid they are returning to a 2 year for each expac plan)?
It has hardly been a year since its launch and we will be getting argus and the ending of the story of legion with the next raid.
How will they keep the game active without new raids and while working on the expac for like a year?
Although their various skins, I feel that artifacts are boring. It's just receiving an awesome weapon drop from a boss was always something that felt epic and doesn't happen anymore.
The ilvl crap is the most annoying. Logged on every week to raid night hold and now thanks to catchup mechanics I got to replace all of that with crafted shit because it would be 15 ilvls higher than my night hold stuff with the bonus of perfect stats since balance druids don't get much out of all the versatility and crit I was getting. Huge dps increase and ilvl increase and it feels like shit. Meanwhile while I grinned out the essences for all my legendaries, my fresh alt gets 4 in one week, all bis and already at 970. So unrewarding to gear or progress when you can just wait for the next patch and have it handed to you. Just replaced my Normal TOS trinket with a raid finder one because it's same ilvl due to titan forge AND has a gem slot 😕
Blizzard just needs to make another MMO. Quite a few people feeling burned out from the Warcraft IP
I quit for league and haven't wanted to play since but I'll always love this game, I hope 7.3 will be awesome
Okay here's the thing though... Lets say the jump from NH to ToS wasn't so big from Norm to Norm or I guess he's saying Mythic NH should have better gear than Norm ToS? I'm not really understanding him there... is he wanting a smaller gap between the Norm modes of 2 tiers that follow each other with Mythic gear being equal to heroic of next Tier? So that the uber 1% that does mythic raiding doesn't feel like they wasted their time when the next tier comes out? OR is he saying more time between tiers so your time running around in that high end gear is longer? I mean wasn't that one of the big complaints that there was too much time between tiers? I really didn't understand the complaint in this video?
Legion will go down as one of the best WOW exp..
Problem is it's still around. Imagine if we had the first 2 great Xpacs BC, Wotlk and then the game ended in Cata with an actual Cataclysm. I would have been happy. Shit most people I played with back then haven't logged on since Cata. So there ya go...
Been playing WoW since tbc and I'm just gonna leave my personal opinion here (hate me but I really couldn't care less). Legion has been the best expansion so far. The amount of quests, lore and progression is just great. Yes, it has the major flaw of the legendary system (legendary item effects could have simply been implemented as the regular talent choices), but god damn the amount of shit you can do is just overwhelming (raiding, pvp, world quests, mythic+, pet battle dungeons etc...). All the people you see complaining on the forums and the various comment sections on whatever sites have mostly no fucking clue what an MMO is and keep dumbing down the game since blizz tries catering to them. Everyone is crying how the game is too easy, and as soon as blizz implements something actually hard (artifact challenges) everyone suddenly cries about the difficulty. Honestly, if you think the game is shit or dead, just fucking uninstall it and leave the rest of us alone with your crybaby comments so we can have normal discussions on channels like Asmongold's.
you are not blinded! you are the chosen one
Hey Asmon,
Love the videos. Would love to see you do a video regarding legion class pruning and design. We need a reputable person such as yourself to shed some light on it. Would love to hear your thoughts regarding your own class and others. Personally I haven't enjoyed the direction and pruning Warlocks have undergone and how all of the fun things we used to have were removed and simplified.
I would love to know how many players are still playing nowadays.
Yes, Legion is a great patch but paradoxically, almost all of my friends (including the most addicting ones) have quit and I joined the list quite recently. And I am not talking about guilds who quit raiding.
I don't know, I just can't stand anymore logging in, open the map to see I have 250mil AP to farm by doing the same quests I have done dozens of times including during the leveling.
And demons... fuck demons seriously, there are so many.
Legion is the first patch that makes me alt+f4 when I try to log in lel
ill just play Legion again for a month when all the story content is done in the final patch
Tbh i hate leggo quest chains, when you eventually get the leggo it's not even exciting anymore. 1. you have finished raiding and have all your gear. 2. Games over everyone's burnt out, no reason to log on.
New leggo system is bad yes but it isn't any worse than the previous options.
I'd rather have some sort of rng token drop that you can then use to pick the leggo you want.
As someone who started playing in early WoD, what other kinds of content do you even expect? Genuinely curious. Like, I always hear people complaining that there's not enough content, but what content can you give a raider other than a raid?
forgot the "i" in "Reinvigorate"
I don't care what it looks like, I don't care about the stats it has, I don't care about what it's called, I don't care about where I got it from.. because it increased my itemlevel
- my Legion experience so far
Patches "typically" don't change the game. Expansions do. If you're not playing now, don't come back for 7.3, it'll be the exact same game.
wow had this problem and still has it and it will won't change.
Honestly it looks like an alliance quest hub, playing horde it really has nothing for horde as far as story,
It depends on what you mean by "reinvigorate".
For the players that enjoy the lore of the game, I guess it might add something for those people, but is it enough? Once they see everything is the gameplay really going to keep them playing?
For people who quit the game and come back to see what's up... most likely not. WoW is an old game. Lots of people still play it, but because of its age, I can't imagine it becoming the huge game it once was.
Overall, I think the answer is simply no, at least for the majority of the players coming back. Those who enjoy the game as it currently is (that are still playing) this won't change anything.
id love to see progression raid tiers in wow again.
Blizz doesn't know about the unfun systems players interface with. Blizz lives in their own bubble with touchpads. Overall this video said what I thought since I watched Legion beta streams & played Legion since launch for a couple of weeks. The worst thing about Legion is that it still lasts and hasn't been cancelled with 7.2.5 and "content"* of 7.3 has been postponed into the next expac. *Would anyone call the new relic customization content?
Why do people hate warforged so much? If you "pray" for higher ilvl then why bother closing +9 keys or going normals hoping for +50 warforged? Just do your best at the highest difficulty you can and be happy if it warforges because base ilvl suits you already. It's the type of RNG that actually makes sense (in terms of legendary rng that is no fun and makes no sense at all).
It is July, how can you have a beret on ? Is it cold where you live? I'm just curious?
It'll take a lot to fix the sad state Mythic raiding is in.
Titanforging is cancer, M+ got massacred, class balance is garbage, the legendary system is universally hated, and bosses are so overtuned after Maiden that the guilds that killed at least Avatar are well over 930. Avatar DROPS 930 gear.
Also, what they're trying to do with Frost DKs in 7.3 is the worst redesign for a class I never asked for. You don't fuck with an entire spec to that extrnt mid-expansion.
Maybe people need a whole new game. I hate to say it but I believe the game caters to a more casual player base which is completely fine, a large portion of players have lives outside of wow and I reckon for the most part legion has done well to cater to both player bases, the hardcore and the casual more tho towards the latter. That's just imo.
They need to bring in limited attempts on all raids
is this going to be even BIGGGER than the BIGGEST patch in the game 7.2?
We need to make epics worth something, seeing those purple letters on your gear before WotLK was an awesome feeling of accomplishment thats gone. LFR gear should be rare (blue) and we definitely shouldn't have 4 legendaries sitting in our bags as well as these all important artifact weapons. It's little but important!