Watkins Glen HPDE Crash BMW E30 318is s52
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Was having a great session on the first session of a 2 day event. 30 minutes into the session I lost brakes into turn 8. The instructor and myself were able to walk away. Now comes the long process of building a new e30.
BMW e30. s52 w/ Vac Stage 2 head / Schrick Cams
My condolences for your loss... I am glad you and the passenger are safe, but I hope you can get another clean E30 someday soon.
cars can be replaced. people can not be. awesome to walk away from this.
As a Porsche racing instructor I'll point out several things I noticed;
1) never try to turn in a situation like this. We have had many rollovers in situations like this where people try to turn and 'ride it out' then the car gets sideways at high speed. Not a good combination.
2) cars (and people) are designed to take frontal impacts better than side or partial frontal impacts. Go straight off.
3) It looks like he was WAY late on the brake zone.
Now those are my observations as an instructor, here are some general comments.
This looks like an HPDE (high-performance drivers education) event which usually means that the drivers have varying levels of track experience from complete Rookies to professionals (notice the point over cab pass signal and the poor racing line of the other drivers). This driver's racing abilities appear to be solid and in line with that of an amateur but his decision-making at a time of crisis is that of a rookie and needs improvement. People that say there wasn't much time are right but for professional or amateur racers the amount of time he had would have been plenty to assess and choose a safer path off.
Those are things that can all be improved and are not character flaws. I'm sorry you had to learn this lesson in such an expensive way, glad you are ok. Pilots have a saying about landings that I've shifted into driving 'any crash you can walk away from was a just fine'.
The one thing that BLEW MY MIND was the fact that the INSTRUCTOR who was presumably the passenger here put his damn feet on the dash and then braced himself with his hands. NOW THAT is poor decision making and a great way to send your knees through your chest. I should also note that the skill level of the instructors at HPDE events also varies greatly.
The decision to turn likely saved the instructors legs from exploding.
Just an observation (from point 2) who designed us?
theological question indeed regardless the human body takes g force impact best in reverse, then from the front and the sides are the worst.
he had a complete brake failure at 110mph riding straight into a wall is proably better right?
According to these comments it is probably better to stay away from PCA events. Way too smart these guys.
Good that no one was hurt. The brakes locked up. You didnt get the tires rolling again after the initial lockup. Then the steering got continuously turned more as the road surface was ending. Get the car stopped first next time. You did hit the brakes in time and had room to sort it out. Sorry you had to learn a hard lesson.
glad you made. If you do decide to build another e30, I'd definitely recommend a role cage.
Just Cruz'n he had one....probably played a big deal in him walking away
He had a roll bar as far as I know, no cage. With a well build safety cell this car would not have been twisted like this.
Props for posting. Yes, details about the brake issue would be useful to learn from this, if possible. Looks like there was still braking going on in the front as the car does not turn whilst still on the tarmac. Thanks.
The problem started with the other driver who points by the camera car but doesn't really lift. This makes the driver feel like he has to pass, but is unable to do so without overrunning the brake zone. If you are pointing someone by, please lift so they can make the pass easily before the end of the straight, especially low powered cars.
Wow! Scary... Glad you walked.
This is not a brake failure...but a very bad use of clutch on high speed. I Hope driver and Co. are safely...
Daniele Scuderi yes..!
That sucks. Glad you were able to walk away.
Would it have helped to engage the handbrake to try and spin the car clockwise to stay on the tarmac a little longer and then into the runoff? This is just a guess as in simracing when the car is understeering like that and I need the car to turn I use the handbrake.
Scary. Glad you are OK!
Happy everyone is alright
your hand brake was broken?
Glad you walked away. I also have an e30 with an s52 swap. Can you try and find out what caused this?
Bad driving
Hahahahaha, nope. Brake failure. jalopnik.com/bmw-driver-survives-nightmare-crash-when-his-e30-loses-1795500447
Did the brakes actually loose pressure? Seems to me like he just panicked when the rear end got light from braking (which happens). Not sure why he held the clutch in afterwards. Then trying to turn the wheel further right while going off track making the understeer even worse. I'm glad you were able to walk away
I think he focused so much on pass that he was offline, then let of throttle entirely too quickly upsetting the car then focused on downshifting too much before finally braking. Car should have been settled before braking hard
Wow! Sorry for your loss, scary how fast things can go wrong. Glad you guys walked out, not stretchered out.
It was a bad impact for sure, but didn't look bad enough, from the inside at least, to crumple a car like that. Didn't realize the structural rigidity of e30s is that horrendous...
what was the cause of the brake failure?
not pressing the middle pedal in time
Man that’s rough. As the driver of a car that’s faster than most through corners and slower than most on straights, I’m used to getting point bys with the person I’m passing not lifting enough to allow me to move back over before turn in. Gotta pull your braking point back a bit to hit your apex.
This is why I prefer e36, in my opinion it's safer and the frame it's better in a lot of situations.
Speed at the moment of impact?
it didnt even look like such a fast crash but wow the car bent like shit
Glad you guys got out of there in one piece. What was the failure mode of the brake system? Looks like you had brakes when you first got on em.
Clutching caused slippage and rear lockup?
Did you and the instructor have HANS devices?
That sound sounds amazing or sounded amazaing for a 4 cylinder. What exhaust was on it or which modifications you did use?
It have M3 e36 engine, 6 cylinder
The owner of the car has videos posted His channel is GthomasNY
I feel for you.
How much for the full swap 😜
when will instructors learn not to get into students cars. Instrutors dying isnt enough of a clue ?? The instructor survived this one but maybe next time he wont. Some will never learn
When have you heard of instructors dying recently?
...how do you instruct without being in the car?
Didn't expect understeering.
this is soooo saddd :(
Myself? As in "myself" just wrecked my car?
Long live E318is,E30 !!!😍
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Next time no fear!!
LOL.. feet on dashboard..before crash hahaaha... WINNER!!!
That doesn’t look that fast for the entire bodywork to crumple and twist like that
im sure glad they don't make them like that anymore
Ain't this a bitch...
O SHIT!!!
Wow these cars are so unsafe :( crumple like tins
I have some duct tape
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The driver kept turning right, he had it full cranked. Unload the steering next time.
There's no way they were going to make that corner with complete brake failure. jalopnik.com/bmw-driver-survives-nightmare-crash-when-his-e30-loses-1795500447
Exactly. If he gave the corner up when he realised he wasn't gonna make it and just focused on slowing down in a straight line, he probably would have avoided the wall altogether.
It's so easy to say what he should've done, but in a situation like that, you hardly have time to think.
AdamC3046 Precisely. There was what, six or seven seconds between brake application and the wall? At 100mph+? Yeah, no time whatsoever.
It seems you've never been in a situation like that before.
I'll let you off.
he dropped it under braking defos not an f1 driver
By "lost brakes" you mean you missed the braking zone? You can clearly see and hear your brakes were working and then locked. This was driver error 100%
Sorry but that does not look like nor sound like brake failure. You had brakes, in fact the rear got loose as you got on them and you can see the nose dive slightly under braking. I think the fronts were near lockup and you cranked in so much steering that the front tires were overwhelmed. You under steered off and once you hit the grass it was all over.
You passed someone on the straight, and stayed right, which makes the corner much sharper. That is a very late apex corner, if you started from track left, took a late apex line even with "brake failure" you most likely would have still run out of road and ended up on the grass. But instead of running off straight into the wall you would have been parallel to the wall and most likely just got a Watkins Glen blue stripe.
:O ooh a proffesional youtube racecar driver
Agree with all this.
What about if your brakes fail, you car doesn't slow down as expected, and your heel-toe becomes an under-revved shift? Wouldn't that upset your rear tires, potentially causing oversteer as well as causing a clutch drag, forcing the nose to go down?
Da fug so slow and so much damage i love e30s but body and safety of bmw e30 is absolutely shit its rubbish
BMW😂😂😂😂😂
weak car
Tires to small in front 225 or More... Use .... Tires lose Control... BUNNY Kit
Who races with a full interrior lol