MUSLIM WATCHES *DUNE: PART 2* FOR THE FIRST TIME!!!(MOVIE REACTION!!)
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As a muslim myself, it was the greatest movie i have ever seen, and made me feel so proud on how many things in the movie resemble us when we fight with faith and makes us look so cool.
Hello brother, yes it really resembled us well I agree because when we(Muslims) go to war or any other thing our faith is always at a 100%, and it was amazing it really reminded me of imam Mahdi
dune is actually a critique of blind fanaticism but ok
@@AngelsEgg9 What's your point? There's still lots of good points you can take from the movie. No one here said blind fanaticism is a good thing.
You miss the point of the movie and the books
They are a warning against religious figures
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Not something to be proud of...
They literally just show you the hero of the first movie become the villan with his actions
It's more complex, in many ways Paul is an overpowered and *far worse* version of what T.E. Lawrence and what he did in the Great War.
In many ways the Sykes-Pyco agreement and the betrayal of the Muslim World it represents is a lot like what happens here but with a different focus and worse outcome but it's still about an imperialist betrayal of a noble warrior people and the consequences.
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Frank Herbert meant Dune to be a cautionary tale about the dangers posed by messiahs, prophets and Great Leaders of all kinds. In the book series, Paul and the Fremen went on a galaxy-wide jihad that killed billions and wiped out dozens of other religions, down to the last follower. It bothered Herbert that many readers didn't understand the central theme of his first book: That Paul was a villain, not a hero.
Ohhh okay, so this will probably be the 3rd movie Paul and the Fremen will go around killing the rest of the houses because I can already see Paul turning evil, that much power is too dangerous for anybody, I mean yeah a false messiah causes a lot of threat, but I think real messiahs would bring peace for example our prophet Jesus and Muhammed peace be upon them were both amazing men, and taught us to be good
@@OmarAlsaadi40 SPOILER ALERT: I think the odds are at best 50/50 that the director of the first two films will be able to carve a serviceable script out of the next couple of Dune books. They're darker, weirder, and lack a nice clean "rise of the chosen one" story arc. They're mostly about Paul's revulsion over what he's allowed himself to become, and ruminations about the dangers of dictatorships and mindless fanaticism. Totally different "energy" from the first book, upon which the two recent Dune films are both based.
@@samstall9173 nah I think it will be darker i don’t know why I have a feeling, because Anakin(from Star Wars) is based of of Paul so it makes sense that Paul will go dark, maybe as you said not as dark as the books but still dark with a bit of humanity maybe, but to be honest I trust the director, because the first 2 movies were amazing
It is not so simple to say "Paul is a hero" or "Paul is a villain." He is trying to balance his own desire for revenge for his house, while causing as little damage to others as possible. He finds it overwhelmingly difficult, and even impossible, because he sees all possible futures in the end. The holy war is bigger than him, something even he cannot control. So every decision ends up being bad for different reasons. Much more is explained in the rest of the story we haven't yet seen (as films). Paul might be classified more as a "tragic hero."
@@MrDoctorMabuse yeah to be honest the “tragic hero” title fits him most, Good point 👍
I'm not sure its fair to compare the two Dune movies. Everything they did in part 1 was necessary to lay the groundwork for part 2 to be so good. I think they're best seen as a single movie.
Yeah I agree with that 100%, same thing with any trilogy you can’t compare the first movie to the last one, because the first one is the introduction, I just enjoyed the 2nd one more
You are correct - Frank Herbert was indeed heavily inspired by Arab/Islamic culture and one of the criticisms aimed at Villeneuve's movies was that the Fremen didn't feel "Middle-Eastern" enough. Although I probably understand why Villeneuve went this way.
Well he clearly made the fremen very smillar to the Muslims, like the way they pray, dress, their faith,
@@OmarAlsaadi40 Yeah, as much as i loved pretty much everything about these movies, i do find it kinda ridiculous that there wasn't at least one Arab being caste in a major role. If i had to chose, prolly shoulda been instead of Zendaya as Chani. Don't get me wrong, she was FAR better than i expected and delivered her best performance of her career imo, but even with that being true - that doesn't change the fact she was MASSIVELY miscast. The fact that every other Fremen character had some sort of accent, including her friend, and yet Chani sounds like a typical Hollywood teenager, it just really hurt the immersion for me. Like i said though, she was still excellent in spite of that
@@8301TheJMan completely agree they should’ve cast atleast one arab in one of the big roles
In the books the 'holy war' is called a Jihad. There was also an event called the Butlerian Jihad where the humans fought against the machines and wiped out all forms of AI.
Interesting fact to know😲, jihad is also an Islamic word, it’s means striving or doing one’s utmost in Islam, can you tell me which book by the way I would maybe like to read it
@@OmarAlsaadi40 The first Dune book will refer to the coming war as a jihad, I think there's an Aljazeera article about the changes to the language in the movie. If you want to know more about the fight against the machine rulers, the book is simply called Dune: The Butlerian Jihad.
@@tanimal3964 thank you!!, will definitely give it a read some day!
Great to watch a perspective from a Muslim reactor!
I can't wait for Dune 3!
Glad you liked the reaction!!, I can’t wait for part 3 too!!
Paul's marriage to Irulan is a political necessity. He only has love for Chani.
Yeah I know, he still loves chani, but I think he’ll change a bit in the 3rd movie
I hope Irulan will be real Empress. She is smart and proud.
@@paulkellerman2603 same!!, I think she very honorable
Paul is like his father Leto. Their hearts don't change. Leto didnt marry Jessica either. Even though she gave him what he desired the most, a son. Leto had to be open to make a political marriage for himself. Don't judge Princess Irulan by her pristine demeanor. The last scene of her & Chani standing & Paul looking toward Chani doesn't bode well in part 3.
@@phoenixrising8231 yeah that’s why I said the princess is some what honorable unlike her father, so Paul and her could actually hit it off in the 3rd movie👍
Paul learned the language even before he came to Arrakis.
Ohh right that was written too😂
He didnt die at the end because they were just flesh wounds. The first stab was in the side of the torso, painful, but not in any vital organs. And the second knife was up near the collarbone, again, painful but not a killing blow as long as he doesnt allow himself to bleed out.
Paul didn't die in the final duel because he had foreseen how it would go, and worked out in advance where Feyd-Rautha would stab him.
Paul does stay true, mentally, to Chani. His marriage to Princess Irulan is purely political. Chani is the only woman he loves. Unfortunately he didn't warn her in advance...
Ohhh yeah I forgot he saw all possible futures, yes he does kinda stay true to it, I know it was an obligation to marry the emperor’s daughter, but I don’t think that’ll be the situation in the 3rd movie, I think he’ll actually hit it off with the emperor’s daughter
In books its different chani isn't skeptic [the director made her that way because original author did not want people to see paul as heroic] they together has a son called leto who would went to become a person who is much more ruthless than paul.
Ahhh so they changed Leto, because Leto was so wise in the first movie
@OmarAlsaadi40 No they didn't. Paul's father is largely as he was in the book. A bit more politically minded regarding his plans for the Fremen. Paul's son however, Leto II...oh boy.
Chani in the movie is meant to depict Paul's own inner conflict. He hates himself (especially in the second book - the one that'll become the third movie) for bringing so much death across the galaxy and changing the ways of the Fremen (after conquering the galaxy they become much more lazy and forget about some of their ancestral traditions; they move to the city and desert sietches become museums).
As for Paul's son Leto the Second… well, he doesn't have such moral qualms. In some ways he's worse than Palpatine.
Frank Hebert had arab friends from what I heard so at some point he probably took their advice too
Ooo, I actually never heard of that before😮
Great reaction Omar.
Thank You Brother!
How is he not dying? He is trained by a woman of sisterhood who easily bested a veteran like stilgar they are basically superhumans.
Ahhhh ok that makes sense
Interesting thing, you saying that Feyd is a mirror/opposite of Paul because had Paul been born as a daughter (like the Bene Gesserit intended) then the child of those 2 would have been The One that the Bene Gesserit were looking for.
So Paul was supposed to be a girl technically?
@@OmarAlsaadi40 Yes. But it was Jessica's love for Leto I that lead to her disobeying the sisterhood and bearing a son. And with that The One arrived too early for the Bene Gesserit, thus never gaining control of him (which is why Margot seduced Feyd, so their plans wouldnt derail completely)
Edit: If you want to see what happens next and not wait for Dune Part 3 then I would highly recommend you check out the "Ultimate Guide to Dune" series by Quinn's Ideas, it covers all of the books (so dune 1 will still be worth a watch as the movie deviates from it a bit) and goes as far as Chapterhouse, the last book Frank Herbert wrote before his son took over after his passing.
@@TheBroGamer14082 ohhh that actually makes more sense, cz as they said in the movie a man/boy has more impulses that’s why he would be dangerous with that power, but yeah I really felt the chemistry between Jessica and Leto, it’s clear they loved one another,(I’ll just wait for dune 3, I’ll flim my reaction for that too!, thank you though!!)
@@OmarAlsaadi40 Fair enough then. Though I still recommend you check it out after Dune Part 3 as at the moment there are no plans for adapting anything beyond Dune: Messiah (the book part 3 will adapt from.
Or check out the first episode as that covers the movies you've seen.
Is it just you or Muslims seem so calm. Respect!
Thank you!, Respect to you as well!, I can’t talk for all Muslims but I can say that we are told to be be peaceful and calm anytime we can👍
imagine what could be the believes/religions/Legends of humans 20 000 years in the future (yes that's the time fo Dune)....that's Dune ! the author Frank Herbert, very much inspired by religions/legends of our time, tried to imagine this far future during 1963 to 1985 in 6 books. The two movies are the first book.
Ohhh well that makes a lot more sense, I actually do imagine our world like that in the future, okay two movies from 1 book when there is 6 so we are about to have 12 movies(if they continue)🔥
I always found dunes relationship with Islam interesting, in the text of the story there is definitely some respect for it, but its also incredibly critical of religion as a whole and messianic\prophetic figures especially so
Yeah true they show how much a messiah/prophet is important, and they definitely showed us respectfully, like for example the strength of our faith
You should read the book sometime. The author took a lot from both Islam and pre Islam Persia. And of course the whole thing is basically a commentary on oil and the struggle for control of it.
So let me ask you, i know you're muslim, so you speak arabic or farsi? Did you understand some of the words being said in this movie?
like:
Muad'Dib: the Arabic word "مؤدب" (muʾaddib)
Mahdi: In Islam, the Mahdi is a messianic figure
Kwisatz Haderach: While this term is a more complex creation by Herbert, it echoes the Arabic word "قضاء وقدر" (qadāʾ wa qadar), meaning "fate and destiny."
Lisan al-Gaib: Lisan (لسان): Means "tongue" or "language." al-Gaib (الغيب): Means "the unseen" or "the unknown."
Yup I did, “tongue of the unseen” in Islam means the word of god because in our religion god is unseen, and he would send prophets to convey his message, “qada wa qadar” we always use that word when something bad happens to us like death in family, or anything really, we use it as means of “it is already written” so it is already our fate and destiny, “mu’addib” means having good manners and being polite 👍
@@OmarAlsaadi40 Hell yeah my brother! I hung out with a lot of muslims in engineering university so i remembered a few things but we would always yell SHARMUTA outside walking around campus lol
and yes, i know what it means ;)
@@Pr0x1mo that’s not a good word to yell brother😭
@@OmarAlsaadi40 lmfaooooo oh i know, but since no one knew arabic in our school aside from us who were shouting it....
Lakh tikrah...
Khayaal'ilm, jamiil 😉.