Skaven: Blood Bowl 3 Official Race Guide
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
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Recorded Feb 2023
Here is my Skaven Race Guide for Blood Bowl 3.
Blood Bowl is a Warhammer Games Workshop fantasy take on American football (NFL). It is set in the Warhammer universe and is played by Orcs, Elves, Humans and all manner of Chaos factions. I am AndyDavo and have been playing the game for over 10 years. Please sit back and enjoy my take on Blood Bowl 3.
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>> I have been made aware of a mistake in the guide, so please read this!
❤ Don’t let the idiots get you down. You are providing great content!
Good to see this guy is a humble streamer, admitting he is wrong from time to time. I will hang on your stream, you seem like a nice guy.
Thanks for the update. Haters gonna hate.
You do talk about it in other videos Andy. Most beginners are likely watching more than one of your guides, if they can’t figure it out, they should follow you on twitch for all the surfing lessons they need!Your videos are great, keep up the good work and don’t let others jealousy bring you down!
Bad people commenting skulls are unfortunately part of Blood Bowl as well. Is our duty to grow a positive, nice and friendly community. Let them rot alone, even Papa Nurgle defiles them 🍻
It's all Blood Bowl Andy.
But this is a thing we can change with our behaviour 😉 Keep up the great and useful work with fun and joy, breaking some skulls in Nuffle's glory 💪 See you on Twitch!
Lo Spesso
You have divulged Skaven secrets. Please stay where you are and wait for a Clan Eshin representative for stab-stab
What would be nice is a BB3 team for each clan and a team for each Chaos God. Unfortunately, it will never happen in that game. Seems like the years of missed opportunities are on us.
Players:
@1:45 Rat Ogre
@7:50 Blitzer (Stormvermin)
@11:26 Gutter Runner
@19:14 Thrower
@21:38 Clanrat Linerat
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@24:12 Roster
@27:44 How to Play/Setups
@33:19 Strategies
@39:15 Inducements
Davo: "the thrower has gone through a change, the first thing you will notice if you are coming from BB2 is.."
ME: WHERE DID HIS HANDCANNON GO??
I ended up with a random Funblerooskie on a thrower in table top, worked out great. Being able to leave the ball on the ground for a gutter to pick up AFTER they've dodged out of the tag is fantastic.
The strategy section is such a great addition, would love similar videos for the ones you already made guides for, keep up the good work Davo
My favorite team. How couldn't it be? They are so cute
No need to take two heads to reposition a blitzer, can just take breaktackle now. Same modifier and doesn't cost you a double skill.
Your videos are phenomenal. Thanks for your efforts!
I'm a complete noob in this game and have just picked it up, but your intro into factions gave me a proper idea on how to play the game. Such a great value!
Best wishes and regards.
Some really great guides bud. Excellent work.
Love me rat bois, my fave team. I wish the gutter runners had blades, the models do!
The gutter runners do have blades
For those newer to BB, can I suggest you put out a Blood Bowl 101 (basics), 201 (intermediate skills and knowledge) and 301 (advanced tactics) videos?
Skaven are my 2nd team but I really hope they add goblins ASAP.
Don't think break tackle is horrible on a Rogre as it has base Ag 4+, so dodge on 2+. Still not good, but usable.
it does sound like fun having a big dude dodge like an elf
I think break tackle got changed to where it gives you +1 to dodge if your strength is at least 4? So no 2+ dodging big guys as far as I know.
@@bob3ironfist ST 5 is 2+
@@bob3ironfist
I am quite posetivt it is +2 for St5 and +1 for pieces with St4 or less. I haven't read about any nurfs beyond that.
This skill will be awesome on the St4 Amazon positional as they have St as primary access. But they have so many skills they want....
I’ve had some success by using break tackle skill on the rat ogres as cage breakers. Take out a corner with a block and charge him into the ball carrier. Make sure to mark the opposite corner as he frenzies into it. Have a gutter waiting impatiently for the ball. It is a bit risky as anything is with big guys…
You say a two dice uphill with wrestle and strip ball is a 90% success as five sides succeed. You need one of those five sides on both dice though, so it's 25/36 or about 70%. Still good odds tbf.
When useing and rat orge, have a "emotional support rat" so it doesn't have a down side
awesome guide thankyou
Delighted people are discovering it and watching it
Watched a lot of your playlists. Frenzy Orcs were awesome! I remember you saying when you qualify for CCL you'd do fun teams, like Goblins. You won a CCL with Necro right? I only found one goblin game on your channel. I think it'd be an entertaining season.
Wouldn't break tackle let the rat ogre dodge on a 2+? opens up some very interesting blitz options
he dropped ball here
Number one Andy ❤️
Some people think its best not to have a Rat Ogre at all. Which I find ridiculous for the following reasons:
Sure, Rat Ogres are not "reliable" in the traditional sense. However having one and not having one is the difference between how much your team will get their teeth kicked in against teams like Chaos or Dwarves (or teams with star players.) and how many of your rats will get a favorable chance to strike at the enemy team to get some XP. Sure the Rat Ogre might also attack your own players first but by comparison to do nothing as it used to do and let elves and other Skaven teams just move past him, or in comparison to the scenario of you having replaced the Rat Ogre with a clanrat and a giant minotaur is front of it then injuries on said game are almost guaranteed. Rat Ogres give you at least a CHANCE to avoid them.
To rely entirely on Gutter Runners and smaller Rats means high mobility but in most cases if you face anything other than elves even if you win the game it hardly matters if you are left with a pile of a extra smelly corpses for the next game. (Sure Skaven are cheap, but that dose not mean you can afford to risk their tails every match before they even get a Skill.)
This is pure gold. Pro tips for sure. Question. Woukd these strats be suitable for a woodelf team also?
some are transferable as another dash team. But elves rely a lot more on the 2+ dodge out to survive, while skaven rely more on a deep bench
Go rats go! Thanks, Andy!
The starting roster I found worked the best for me to get a skaven team off the ground is a slight variation of your last one : I ditched the thrower and the fans in favor of a 12th linerat. That way I have a bit of a buffer against the damage I will inevitably sustain, and I also have the option of fouling much more serenely.
Edit : I also get a 3rd gutter runner right after the apo and sit at 13 players for a while. It does mean that I will relatively often encounter a dwarf team or whatever with stuff like mighty blow/guard, but if I can foul that player with a 50k linerat and they lose a 80k+ player in exchange, *and* I might end up having a number's advantage, I'm absolutely taking that trade.
While I like the reverse pyramid offense as an alternative to a withdrawn offense that doesn't keep your players as safe as just actually withdrawing, I feel like it's missing a key aspect: always have a scoring threat. Because you're already putting yourself into easy blitzing range, it makes sense to have 2 gutter runners in the opponent's half just within scoring range. Obviously, you will not use them straight away, but it can trigger some mistakes. And of course, once you've backed up over a few turns, they can actually be given the ball to further stall outside their reach in their half.
just play dakka. It will help you to save players 2-3 turns.
Thanks for this (and for the other excellent guides). I'm struggling to identify the skills on XB1 coz it seems you can't scroll over the player 'card' to identify what's what. However, I watch your vids over and over and hope to learn how to identify them eventually on sight. Once again, thanks and keep up the good work!
It may also help to study them in the player skill access screens. I assume this is possible on the XB1.
That said, it is a often expressed gripe with the game that the two-tone design of the skill icons makes them very difficult to identify at a glance.
You kinda can scroll over. First, select the player. Then hit the right bumper button. The curser will turn to a magnifying glass. Now you can hover over skills (and other stuff) to ID it. You do have to hit the right bumper button to get 'out' of the mode to take further actions. So it's not quite as easy or seamless as BB2.
@@LonFranson Thank yo so much for this! I thought it had something to do with RB but couldn't figure it out. Maybe I'm just too old for gaming now lol. Thanks again!
@@someoneelse7695 Will do. Thank you!
Nerves of steel on one-turner gutter runner, after sprint & two heads!
Franken
First. Finally the skaven
Absolute legend everyone better be liking commenting and subbing. Least you could do.
0:53 cheezy😂
Hi, thanks for the video first time commenting. I like your advice to new Blood Bowlers. I've been playing the board game for about 30 years now off and on. I like the video games but I'm having trouble right now getting the trophy for 3 kills in one game. Redditors recommend playing the first tutorial game against Skaven over and over until you get it by luck. I'm doing this with my dwarves because they all have block and tackle and they'll get mighty blow with their first advance. I'd tried not scoring and playing 24 turns per game and only gotten 2 kills through random luck. I'd like to see your advice on how to increase kills in a future video? Whaddaya say?
Great´s lessons
Great guide. When will you be able to upload gameplay content?
Damn, I wish I'd watched this before my current league, I'm 100% losing games from getting a touchdown turn 2-3 and never getting the ball back
I'm glad its helpful!!
Aaaaaah, finally Skaven! I like!
I used to never take the rat ogre, but I will need to try it with the new Animal Savagery rules.
I'm surprised there was no mention about Guard or Defensive on gutter runners... I would have thought a blodge-step guard-defensive gutter would be a great support player. I haven't played with the 2020 ruleset outside of BB3 though, so I don't really know if this combination actually works or not. Any thoughts?
why is break tackle terrible on a rat ogre i thought it was realy good since its nice to be able to move around your crowdsurfer
Really enjoying these breakdowns, thanks for doing them all
I play on xbox and just bought BB3 acweek or so ago, I actually rage quit the tutorial it was so frustrating- screen is so cluttered, such a lack of intuitive controls and even the text was just a little too small (decent size tv btw!)
Anyway, calmed now, still finding the changes to gameplay frustrating though, esp with tighter turn time. Hoping to warm to it but the honeymoon period was about 5minutes...
Call me insane, but I've found a sneaky git / dirty player runner invaluable. You can more or less get anywhere, stab and then get out.
I also tend to run a bribe with my bank to avoid send off. In addition, it's still a gutter runner so an absolute menace.
Tailed elves
I did a take on the first roster but I dropped one gutter runner added a reroll a linerat and I had money for one dedicated fan
Great video! Could you elaborate why Break Tackle is bad on a Rat Ogre. A 2+ dodge in a pinch does not feel bad, just not optimal
Big guys are always a risk with loner and no general access but the rat ogre is probably the best, alongside Kroxigor. Not sure I agree on it being a must pick early for skaven. It can help with some removals but a skaven team is always going to lose out attrition wise. Gutter runners are much more important to a starting roster. Block is hard to get on a big guy. 12 SPP to guarantee and 40k player cost is a big investment.
Whilst not optimal, break tackle isn't as bad as you state on a rat ogre, as it gives a 2+ dodge if you need to reposition/blitz elsewhere.
I actually randomised skills for my throwers in our physical league. There's nothing particularly bad in the passing skills for them to generate (fumblerooskie is probably the worst).
Since your probably going to be blitzing and blocking with a rat ogre a lot more they might generate spp a bit faster. I personally prefer trolls and ogres because I prefer to use my big guys more passively.
@@edwardfontaine7108 Might be a reflection of our physical league but the max I accumulated was three skills for a rat ogre after two seasons and redraft (picked skills). Big guys/blockers typically skill slower as 2spp cas is typically their only means of spp generation.
With the rat ogre I disagree with break tackle being a skill not worth taking. Rogre with break tackle is dodging out of a tackle zone on a 2+. Break tackle and Juggernaut is a great combo.
Because the Rat ogre has natural 4 plus it is indeed a plus 2 making the dodge a 2 plus! Good eye.
Why is Break Tackle as a random strength skill terrible on a Rogre? Of course it's a risk, but a 2+ dodge on a Big Guy isn't exactly what I'd call "terrible", especially if I get it random for half TV
what about taking an apothecary early in your roster build?
Isn't big hand always better than extra arms for an agi 2+ player like GRs? 1 is always a fail, so extra arms doesn't help you there, and big hand lets you ignore weather and infinite tackle zones, where as extra arms only negates 1. Extra arms is great for agi 3+ like beastmen, but it's just straight up worse than big hand for gutter runners.
Thanks for a video andy. I have a real soft spot for the rats
upvote solely for saying that the rats are the cheese-y-est team
the guide is great too :D
Do you have a video on managing TV? Finally got reacquainted enough with the game to enter a skaven team in the ladder. Came away with 160k first game. The urge is to buy replacement players for when I need them, but it’s also nice having a TV of 935 for inducements.
Not yet, soon
The UI honestly seems pretty alright. Just wish the game was in a more playable state.
Another patch today. Seems better again. Still needs work though
On the Menace Gutter Runner, what do you think of saving up for a *shot* at STR? (I know it's only a 1 in 8 shot.) If you don't get it, you can always take Horns as the backup choice, right?
Gutter runners with plus strength can definitely be effective.
If you are going to use him for blitzing anyway aren't you better off taking Horns straight away? Less TV and less SPP, same effect.
@@Sabier3 A strength 3 gutter runner is better because they can act more independently. Players now need to commit an extra piece to get a 2 die block. Also they can now normal block without needing a blitz. Yeah going for horns is more consistent but I would never suggest it's better then a strength 3 gutter.
@@edwardfontaine7108 Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that either (my comment was in response to OP, I had not seen your reply when I wrote mine). ST3 gutters are awesome! But even then, +80k TV on strength increase hurts...
@@Sabier3 Makes sense. But +1 ST works on your opponents turn or if you aren't blitzing, so it is better. Just maybe not worth extra 40k (Horns is already gonna add 40k to the player value).
Does naughty things to people, do we need a dole and a safe place to discuss where the naughty things were touching you Andy?
Scaven thrower was one of my favorite units in BB2... at least how it looked.. this thrower looks bad.
would anyone by chance know the starting team Crystal_Hunter uses? cant decide if i want 11 players with apo starting or 12 players for fouls
Was that ancor attached to your boat?
if you use claw on the armor roll, can you then use mighty blow on the injury roll?
yes
LOL one of the cheesiest teams out there!! 🤣
The way Animal Savagery is written there, the Rogre loses its tackle zone regardless of there being an adjacent player to get knocked down or not. Is that how it's also implemented? Because if it is then it's a lot worse and not that reliable.
Also regarding what you said at 4:30 Claw doesn't get applied during Animal Savagery, at least not looking at how it's written.
Claw does apply during the animal savagery hit (at least, if its implemented right). The rat ogre can use any skills available to it, so it already gets mighty blow for the armour/injury roll.
Sadly I've found claw too hard to get on a skaven rat ogre that has mutations as secondary. You don't dare randomise for fear of getting stuff like extra arms. 12spp and 40k is a massive investment and time to earn
with Claw the Opposing player choses any applicable Skills for the Amor or Injury roll so Claw get applied
He loses his Tackle Zone if no one is adjacent of him he could hit
@@christianbacken8071 Yeah, he's saying the text doesn't suggest that. If so, then cool, that's correct
From Animal Savegry description in the book: "f this player is not currently adjacent to any Standing team-mates, this player’s activation ends immediately. Additionally, this player loses their Tackle Zone until they are next activated" - so when he has someone to hit after failing AS he doesn't loose tacklezones
Do you need to roll doubles to get secondary skills? Or can all big guys take block
All big guys can take block now, just more expensive and takes more spp
don't claws and mighty blow not stack anymore?
they dont work together on the amor roll but it works on injury
Beak Tackle terrible for Rat Ogre? I highly disagree.
I always find it interesting that people want certain players balanced, like longbeards, but are totally fine with gutter runners being ridiculously effective.
Problem is skaven are feeble and puny armor and endurance wise, plus just 4 of them are gutter runners. Talking about dwarves, LBs are incredibly resilient, very skilled from the start and you can have up to double the aforementioned amount.
You judge...
Dworfs are definitely balanced though.
Probably because those people are the ones using the gutter runners and getting beaten up by the longbeards
gutter runners are really effective but if they ever get hit, there is a very high chance that they get wounded or killed while longbeards are super effective right off the get-go AND will only get better as the chances of them being wounded or killed is extremely low
@@Mabujold I don't know about that. I think dorfs start to lag behind as they go up in tv. Truth of the matter is stronger and faster teams start to make them look bad as the tv goes up.
Could you do one on Chaos please?
I'm really surprised you recommend the thrower and don't even mention in the description how passing will soft-lock your - wait? What's that? The patch fixed it?
Nevermind.
You usually gloss over it because its so unlikely to happen, but just to be clear, would you take +1 strength on a level up on almost any player in the game?