Correcting Feminist Myths (Pt. 1) | Christina Hoff Sommers | WOMEN | Rubin Report
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report talks to Christina Hoff Sommers (Host of The Factual Feminist) about first, second, and third wave feminism.
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Christina is such a great woman. Instead of pointing fingers to blame on men she actually uplifts woman to be the strongest they can be. The older I get the more I realize men and women depend on one another and these differences are a good thing. Woman and men help one another to be stronger and more wholesome people. I'm sick of the MGTOWs and Feminists who treat each other at a sub human level.
absolutely. MGTOW and feminazism are two sides of the same coin.
I'm a woman, and I have despised the feminazi crazy tactics.
But when I go to videos that confront it, it seems I inevitably/eventually come across MGTOW men who say the most immoral, disgusting, and dehumanizing things about women. And it seem hardly anybody calls them out for it....
It is indeed ironic how they claim to be independent from women, yet seem to spend an enormous amnount of time demonizing them.
I will say from what you guys are saying it sounds like you have only run into a certain type mgtow. The worst kind the ones that do all that you describe. And I can agree that those types of people aren't really the best. However the difference between the two groups that noticed is this. When a crazy mgtow complains about all these things that tend to complain about over again not much comes from. Whether they make video or an article about nothing seems to come from it. But with the crazy feminists when they do the exact same thing people will actually go and try make changes to accomadate or defend. Not sure if articulating my point correctly but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
@@kitkat3364 Most people ignore MGTOW men.
Both have a positive attitude but both end hating opposite gender.
Love Christina Hoff Summers, she's awesome and always presents her opinion in the most objective way she can. Really cool to have seen her on here. I wish I had college professors like her.
+Spokane Wonders But Christina Hoff Summers is not an MRA, so you're barking at the wrong tree here.
+Spokane Wonders I suggest you stop slandering people. CHS is a liberal feminist according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. She does get a lot of positive feedback from various people, but just because you don't agree with her you can't just label her as you please. That's sexist and discriminatory.
+Spokane Wonders What a troll you are. Go label someone else, you misogynist pig.
+KyuubiValkyurie She is well respected by the MRA crowd though. They talk about her a lot in their conferences that the left-wing nutjobs always threaten.
+KyuubiValkyurie who cares what he thinks, he is obviously mentally challenged :)
Cristina Hoff Sommers taught me that there is at least one form of Feminism that I don't find abhorrent. She looks at facts and i respect that immensely. Thanks to this channel for having her on and thanks to her for contributing.
I wish more feminists were like her
+VanChichaRooney A lot of feminists are like her, but like she mentioned, you only hear the extremes, unfortunately
it would be a better world
+VanChichaRooney I wish more people in general were.
+H. Guderian I wish more women would know about her. And not think feminism is the Sarkeesian/Buzzfeed/Tumblr brand. But sensible, rational equity.
Not to mention SHE'S BASED AS FUCK.
Yes! Facts/Reality for the win!!
Now that you have interviewed a (sane) feminist, I suggest you interview an anti-feminist. Karen Straughan is the first person that comes to mind. You gotta hear both sides, right?
+BlackMamba1o1 It's being set up.
+BlackMamba1o1
But she is already anti- 3rd wave bad shit crazy feminism, there are no people who would be against feminism as a concept (for example in today's Africa and some Arabian and Asian nations).
I'd presume they would be pretty much the same side.
+The Rubin Report are you serious?! thats awesome!
Anston Music No, she's against feminism in general. Though she believes in gender equality (She's egalitarian), she is an anti-feminist through and through. She hate's all waves of feminism, not just 3rd wave. Also, unlike Based Mom, she is an MRA as well.
Wooo! Kevin Strong!
She sounds like a reasonable, smart lady to me. I read her book "The War On Boys", and really enjoyed it.
Christina is an exceptional mix of brave and bright. I salute her efforts to look at things in an objective way.
+d3st88 It is a sad day for womenkind when a sane and objectively rational woman comes across as 'brave and bright', and stands out among women as unique and special (which CHS does).
I'm a conservative - both socially and fiscally. I think The Rubin Report is fantastic. Nice job having a myriad of opinions and political backgrounds, and approaching each guest with calm and objectivity. Level headed and sound minded individuals like Dave Rubin are the future.
"3 decades of specist research coming out of gender studies"
I could NOT have said it better if I tried. I love this woman.
Funny that Milo's videos are more viral. Most people pay attention to the radical, shocking ideas, but significantly less people listen to a calm voice of reason that could actually sway some people's opinions.
Yenrz1345 actually Milos videos are him talking about the exact same things Christina is talking about.
+Ross O Connell I have seen milo referring to her studies in arguments to prove his point.... I have huge respect for this woman.
It's obvious why Milo's antics go viral, but, in the end, these two are speaking about a lot of the same things, and making a lot of the same points
Yenrz1345 Milo used to act more radical with offensive jokes to get maximum attention e.g. “Feminists are mostly fat and ugly” after making some great points, but now that he’s a lot more well known he doesn’t really do that anymore in his more recent interviews.
Milo loves and always brings up Hoff.
This guy is way too smart for The Young Turks. Hey Cenk, 1) get your pencil, 2) shut up, 3) watch and 4) learn.
+ninearthify Haha thats why Dave left. Cenk "make me a ham sandwich, and the Armenian genocide never happened" Uyger is a sjw dickhead.
+Артём Водоватов Not only denies the Armenian Genocide, but Ana Kasparian IS Armenian and is a co-host of his. That would be like a Jew co-hosting a show with Hitler.
I'm 28 and I had no idea what "Based [Blank]" meant either. So Dave, thank you, your show is certainly educational. I'm really happy for you that you've gotten away from TYT when you did.
Christina Hoff Sommers for president.
+NaturalTvventy I would actually vote for her
+NaturalTvventy No.
I'll vote
If all Feminists had Christina's calm researched demeaner then they would have solved all the problems they're trying to.
And also realise that some problems eg wage gap just don't exist.
Joseph Fennell I hope current feminists don't achieve their goals. My nuts are not going to be crushed by my legs
Lucario that's what I meant by realise some problems don't exist as in that's not an actual problem
Well, is the issue for these gender activists to solve problems or is it to cash in on it? I kinda doubt that resolving issues is their main goal - they just use it to milk their followers - much like televangelists.
Intelligence in woman is a massive turn on.
Intelligence is pretty much a must. If you lack it, then that's a deal breaker.
I agree: A Good mother MUST have a good bit of INTELLIGENCE to raise children: Let alone Teach them.
You have no idea how much I agree with you. Intelligence in a woman shows that she's stable-minded, and most women have nothing stable in their minds. Any man-- no matter who he is-- who dates or marries a woman who isn't stable-minded and reasonable _will never be happy_ (with that woman). Just like women need men to be empathetic and emotional at times, men need women to be _stable-minded_ and _reasonable._
@@BreezeeGreenz: In short, I agree with you, but your terms may be inflammatory (Unstable minds seems to be a medical problem, not a behavioral one.). My mother has always said that Children are mirrors of their parents. In accordance to this teaching, We do not need overgrown 3 year olds teaching children how to behave.
@@bcsviewer1 inflammatory depends on the person. It's not inflammatory to me.
An unstable mind can be both mental and behavioral. Saying "unstable _minded"_ doesn't relegate that only to the mental since the mind encapsulates the psyche, emotions, beliefs, attitudes, etc. And newsflash: we have many overgrown three year olds teaching. Most women never matured emotionally because they never had to. Being on the 'frontlines', so to speak, made men have to mature emotionally and _be_ reasonable. Women haven't had the amount of responsibilities and burdens and expectations that men have had, so most of them never felt a need to evolve. That's why they say some of the dumbest things and don't understand self-control or accountability.
In a movie, a writer was asked by an adoring female fan how he understood women so well in his writings. He replied, "I take a man. And then I take away reason and accountability." Unfortunately, even with women who are 100 years old, this is often the case. Women just don't get it... because they feel no need (put upon them by circumstances) to change, grow, mature, and evolve.
Kudos to Rubin Report for replying to comments like a legit RUclips personality.
so based
+malcom middle such mom
+Malcom Middle very reasoned
wow
+Malcom Middle much rationality
Bias?
#ThankYouBasedMom
I like how as soon as this video was uploaded it started with 3 dislikes.
Nice try fascists.
My guess is you are wanting to call liberals "fascists"
However, fascism is defined as an authoritarian RIGHT-WING government. So how can something that is left wing at the same time also be right wing?
+CardsNHorns04 That's a horrible definition. Isn't a definition supposed to clarify?
+CardsNHorns04 Some liberals wants to limit free speech. Is that not fascism? Wasn't the sojvet states fascism which were far left wing? Fascism does not necessarily imply that you are a right winger. Fascism is all about saying no to other peoples agenda and telling them that they are wrong and you are right.
Moon Man Does a submarine swin? These are all questions of definitions.
fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy; More
Nazism, rightism;
nationalism, xenophobia, racism, anti-Semitism;
jingoism, isolationism;
neofascism, neo-Nazism
"a film depicting the rise of fascism in the 1930s"
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
I really enjoyed listening to her, can't wait for the rest! So many great voices out there, who you don't get to hear because their opinions "aren't" PC. Thanks Dave.
Excellent interview; my thanks to you Rubin for having Sommers on your show.
Christina knows what she's talking about!
What an amazing woman. Truly inspirational.
Well, Dave, The Rubin Report is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels .... I not always agree with your points or those of your guests, but you and they present - and defend - their points of view well.
Thank you.
+Roy Kliffen I agree with you. I haven't seen many Rubin Reports, but he's a great interviewer and can actually discuss things with those he disagrees with. It's refreshing.
+Roy Kliffen
I think the fact that we, as the audience, doesn't agree with all of the points his guests are making, is part of what makes the show good. If we came here to only hear our own opinions spoken by another person, that would be an echo-chamber, and that is, whilst entertaining for some, wildly regressive in my opinion.
+Satan's best bud :D that is feminism in a nutshell
Lovely interview. Your channel has quickly become one of my favorite RUclips stops for quality content!
ooooooh, I was waiting for this!!!
Kudos to this professor!! We need our universities and colleges to be full of profs like her. Her comment at 5:35 (paraphrased) I NEVER thought in my position that I should get students to replicate my views, but that they should be taught to view the world broadly ...
"Mmm I'm feeling fairly micro-aggressed upon" lol love this woman!
Thought of getting Steven Pinker on?
+waksibra
That would be awesome, though I'm not so sure whether Steven is interested in getting drawn into these kinda topics nowadays.
Though he's a delight to listen to anyway... just let him pick the topic :P.
+waksibra Great idea. Whatever they talk about it would be a beautiful conversation.
+waksibra Congratulations. You are the recipient of my "Best Idea of the Day" award. Not worth much I guess, but still a token of my gratitude for your bringing up such a wonderful idea!
+waksibra
That would be awesome.
+waksibra That's a great idea! Steven Pinker is so awesome.
What a wonderful woman. Does 3 hours with Joe Rogan, drives 1 hour across LA, does another wonderful interview with Rubin... I
Yeah you can tell in this interview that she's tired. I started to wonder if she shouldn't have taken a break and done the interview the next day.
She restores my faith in humanity.
Was watching extremist feminism videos and made it to Christina Hoff Sommers. Binge watching Christina Hoff Sommers. She's awesome.
Christina talks sense, calm and sticks to facts.
Seriously, before Christina Hoff Sommers was know to me. I thought feminism was just full of crazy witches, harpies, and banshees. I glad there are feminist like her and they still exist, I just wish they made the majority instead of the minority. Christina is the mommy and Milo is the daddy keep of the great work you guys.
i like her because she's not as outlandish or conservative as Milo. The liberals Milo would alienate just because he insults them all the time she could actually reason with.
She's a registered Democrat
I find Milo very condescending and often making slight references to the left. He has this pompous air about him that is just so unappealing. He has good arguments on occasion, but does little to get people on the other end to understand/accept his views.
@@hazween23 Milo is a provocator, Christina's not. Taht's an important difference you need to notice.
I love Sommers, I love Rubin. I love this show! ^_^
+ScottishAtheist I love you. :)
+Артём Водоватов Positive, loving comments on youtube. How disgusting.
Anil Nair
Lol. Gross as it may be, I hope you have a good day.
+ScottishAtheist I love this comment
+Артём Водоватов you are so kind! c:
2 minutes into the video, definitely the nicest, most factual feminist I've ever seen.
I love Christina. A voice of reason.
Even though I don’t like the “feminist” classification I very much agree and appreciate her rational explanation of the purpose behind the movement of equality. It’s not about labeling oneself as a victim or helpless minority.. it’s about the strength to become valuable in our community and challenging ignorance/obstacles with passion, intellect, and talent. We’re all human and we’re all in pursuit of happiness. Our history is what it is but change, real positive change will never be achieved by means of segregation.
Although I don't always agree with with Christina Hoff Somers, I have tremendous respect for her.
Christina seems like a lovely person.
I wish more people were like her. She is a breath of fresh air.
Been looking for, as rhetoric goes, a "balanced" few of feminism that I could understand. New to this show but I like these quiet sit-down style messages! Thanks.
Amazing video, thank you for this upload so much.
I am loving this channel Thank you Dave for bringing these wonderful people onto your show :D
PS BASED MOM ERMAGAWD. SHE IS THE BEST PERSON IN EXISTENCE.
Dave, this might be asking a lot, but is there any way you could get Salman Rushdie to do an interview? I'd like to hear his thoughts on the refugee crisis and Islamism in Europe.
Such a brilliant man is too quiet these days!
+Somedokin Yes, that would be amazing.
I reached out to his people but he's not doing press now. Hopefully in a few months.
+The Rubin Report Dave I'd really appreciate it if you could have someone on you really disagree with. It'd be cool to see someone like Glenn Greenwald on your show. Now before you ignore this please hear me out. I know you hate Glenn's views on Islam/Muslims, but it'd be cool to dedicate a large portion of the discussion to topics like the NSA surveillance programs, USA's drone programs, Whistleblowers Glenn has worked with, etc.
Somedokin true ! he is a nice choice.
Salman Rushdie would be fantastic but he is absolute dynamite to handle in terror/threat terms. He's been given effectively a death sentence in a large chunk of the world and (I presume) travels under guard.
Honestly love his woman. she believes in facts not propaganda.
What a great lady. If only all feminists were this likable and reasonable.
This is awesome Dave!!! Thanks for having her on. In the future, maybe it would be good if you could somehow have a discussion/debate between Sommers and a known feminist that would disagree with her. It's important that we get the full picture, even if it's hard to hear.
+carsiotto I would *love* to see Sommers take on Sarkeesian in a debate!
I remember an online gender studies course I took and dropped via CU Boulder. The curriculum taught all sorts of things that did not resonate with what I felt in my gut, it went too far in teaching that gender as a social construct. I was a student who was also the mother of a boy and a girl. I felt that some gender traits were inherent, and when I did the course work, I had to decide between giving what was determined as the correct answer, or disagreeing (to some extent).
Love the work of this woman. She has my respect and admiration, eventhough she calls herself a feminist ;-)
My faith in humanity had been restored...
This show is it when it comes to great guests
"rejecting cultural authoritarians" exactly.
I am a fan of this woman. She's not a feminist. She's pro equality and approaches things rationally. She used to be a feminist but the movement abandoned rationality and left her behind.
The basis of intersectional feminism is that every individual, male and female, has a combination of socioeconomic circumstances that create both privileges and oppression and it isn't a competition (But I know that Christina believes that men aren't interested in anything unless it is competitive) and we all know that every single issue is complicated but people aren't motivated to try to understand complicated socioeconomic dynamics unless they want to believe it so sometimes a feminist will simplify an issue in order to achieve some sort of common ground to help motivate people to try to comprehend these complex systemic and ingrained machinations.
the truth is freeing, being fearful of what you think is pain
finally, was waiting for you to interview her.
this is how feminists should be. she has facts to back up what she supports, and she agrees that there are those who are biased in their feminism beliefs. I am a female but there are feminists out there who actually make me shamed of being the same gender as them. i also like how she is able to from the men's point of view in this arguement. you go Christina Hoff Sommers
David Rubin.you done great work. Keep it up. Very enlightening.
Dave, you've done very well so far at having guests that you can nod in agreement with, anyone more challenging planned?
Why not get Gregg Proops on? He's pretty opinionated on the likes of feminism, egalitarianism and being progressive in a positive way.
+bulletproofblouse As someone who has enjoyed the ex-Muslim run you've done in particular, I agree, mix it up a bit.
+bulletproofblouse agreed. while its great to have guests on that Dave share's some views with, shouldn't there be an occasional guest that Dave disagrees with on many issues and show people that he can conduct those interviews with the grace he has so far.
+bulletproofblouse Watch his interview on Crowder's show.
+Spokane Wonders May I recommend decaff?
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing!
Christina's comments on how 2nd wave became a radical 3rd wave reminded me of my own speculations on the reason behind that shift. I always thought that the angry voices in feminism -- which were expected, considering the treatment of women in general at that time, from sexual assault to reproductive rights to workplace opportunities -- were the key to what happened. Initially, those angry voices were accepted, which isn't a bad thing in and of itself. As a gamer, I know many people in the communities formed around GamerGate are also angry at being called harassers, terrorists, etc. So the existence of that emotion isn't the problem. But how it is dealt with is the root of the problem. An emotional decision is not a reasonable decision, and feminism did not -- and still does not -- have a process by which a bad idea can be called a bad idea. Other systems and communities do, but feminism is too concerned with perceptions, and feelings, and even goes so far as to consider criticism to be itself a tool of oppression against women.
Consider the conclusion from feminism that Isaac Newton's *Principia Mathematica* is a "rape manual", which, when you understand the basic axioms of modern feminism, is a completely defensible supposition. For someone trained in the sciences like myself, what is interesting is how this horrible idea was treated within the world of gender studies: there were no strong arguments against the conclusion coming from within feminism itself, which would signal to me the healthy exchange of ideas within the discipline. Instead, the conclusion festered and was never challenged, unless by outsiders (mainly scientists like Dawkins and Sokal). In the end, the matter was simply dropped as quietly as possible (by calling it a "regretful" conclusion...not a *wrong* or *incorrect* one mind you, just a problem of poor timing or perception) because those involved eventually realized that there was no way the general public could ever accept a framework that led to such obvious quackery.
Never heard about this woman before. But I seem to agree on almost everything she said (can't come up with anything i disagreed with).
Thank you so much for having her on the show Rubin.
You should check her out on Twitter. She's brilliant. @chsommers.
This is such a good show, I love it!
I really enjoy your videos keep up the great work.
I'm glad I watched this as I was always sceptical of Christina seeing the only place I saw her was on Thunderfoot feminism video's which can be a little on the nose at times. I enjoyed the full interview here and on the RR podcast. Love what you're doing Dave.
Almost 125K, Dave! Keep it up! :)
Great! I found the book at the Vegetarian Society here in Chiang Mai (Thailand) last week, and wanted to watch the video to follow up on the book. Congratulations to Sommers on trying to keep feminism academically sound, scholarly, and based on HUMANISM and PEOPLISM (I love those words!) In today's world, the integrity of knowledge is being assaulted everywhere for the sake of the promotion of policies...while this was done even when I was young, it was greatly increased since the year 2000, with the growth of fake news, biased media, and looser standards about sources. Good that she recommends the best sources for statistics in each area. If your cause is going to convince opponents and moderates, then you definitely need to have good sources! Since starting to edit Master's and Ph.D. theses the last four years, more and more, I have learnt how so much of what is in the media is lies and exaggerations that were not even proven by the actual studies that ideas and policies were supposedly based on, even in areas like health and nutrition! And I have had the same issue with Western feminism since I was young. Fortunately, in the developing world, there are still great fights going on for sound women's rights causes. So, as per my career, I have been able to concentrate mostly on women's rights in less developed countries, and so avoid the extremes of the movement in the West.
Pure class. This woman is beautiful. Feminists should be looking to her for inspiration, not Lena Dunham or Clementine Ford
I'm an egalitarian in the West, and feminist in places that need it. Although I hate the edgy conservatives rising on social media in the past year, spear-headed by anti-PC Leafy and his trying-to-be-cool edgy 12 year old fan base.
What an absolutely brilliant woman.
this lady is a breath of fresh air
Fr I saw a comment saying that a intellectual women r a turn and and I agree so much.
The FACT of the matter is that most sexual assaults on campus or off campus are not reported. Most rape victims do not speak up. Statistics are not always factual. Quantitative data should be equally valued.
She is what I would call a true feminist with the original principles of feminism. I wish more women knew about here because to most of them feminism is Sarkeesian, Buzzfeed, and Tumblr.
Karen Strong was one of the first Women I heard when I became aware of this topic and she is great. I really enjoyed hearing her talk. Christina Hoff though is just so even
tempered and motherly. I guess I just prefer her attitude of deference,
like she just transcends the topic entirely which is the way things
have to be done if things can change nonviolently.
So much sense in the conversation
I refer to equality as Liberty.
hahaha "micro-aggression" - loved it! :D
3:28 Oh my, did Based Mom almost say "bullshit"? :o
What a wonderful woman. She is all about common sense, reason and rationality. No wonder the hard-line feminists dismiss her. She see's through all of their lunatic doctrines.
I'm falling in love with this channel.
She is so genuine
Explain this: Graduating to a Pay Gap explores the pay gap between male and female college graduates working full time one year after gradua- tion. You might expect the pay gap between men and women in this group of workers of similar age, education, and family responsibilities to be small or nonexistent. But in 2009-the most recent year for which data are available-women one year out of college who were working full time were paid, on average, just 82 percent of what their male peers were paid. After we control for hours, occupation, college major, employment sector, and other factors associated with pay, the pay gap shrinks but does not disappear.
Back in 2012 I tried correcting the hunting ground narrative citing the bias sampling of phone surveys (as she did) and the various definitions of assault from state to state and campus to campus showing most respondents were working under general apprehensions, while claim in the hunting ground and many online arguments were conflating general assault with sexual assault, amplifying a false narrative. If it doesn't challenge my position, then it must be true. The adage of "keep an open mind but not so open that everything falls in" is certainly true, but I'd like to take it a step further that many were allowing anything to fall in so long as it didn't challenge their own bias. So you would get radical fems that believe in the wage gap but had nothing to say that capitalism would create a slave labor force of women out of that model. Or how if gender is a social construct, then transgenderism should be logically incompatible with a social construct of gender.
I didn't word things quite as articulately back then, but that is where these ideas lead, to a self contradiction.
I'd love to hear her speak about where feminism is really needed in the world (hint - not the USA)
Haven't even watched yet and giving a like! lol
don't watch atleast some, it's like giving a review and not seeing the show- you might not like it =)
+KaptajnKaffe Just a fan of hers is all. lol
FreeManWalking I don't agree at all. He attacks both sides because both sides have fucking morons. And just because we disagree with a guest on a few issues doesnt make them "Right Wing" Stop with the labeling bullshit. It really gets old.
Thank you so much for having these conversations. If we ever meet I'll buy you a beer.
Now this is a feminist I can love and respect!
I love her. Just makes amazing sense.
5:30
wow, i wish this school of thought was more common in modern-day universities. in mine it's pretty much non-existent.
Since 1980 or so, there have not been many battles left for equity feminism to fight. Equity feminism is not a radical ideology seeking to remake large swaths of society. Hence there is little academic interest in equity feminism.
SINCE IT ISNT AN ISSUE ANYMORE SURELY BECAUSE OF EQUALITY ALREADY ACHIEVED SCHOOLS SHOULD STOP FEEDING RESOURCES TO THIS. WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY
When universities created departments of gender studies, they created people with a vasted pecuniary interest in preserving women as a victim class. University professors of gender studies will come up with ever more far fetched reasons why women are oppressed as a class, so that these professors continue having something to teach and write about.
Hi Hannah.
I very strongly suggest you look at the movie "The Red Pill" by a feminist who looked into the men's rights movement.
It is really really eye opening. You can pay for it on YT or you can watch it for free on Tubi.
I love how Christina is open to discussion on everything unlike most feminists who hate opposing views, I still don't like the term feminism (even equity feminism) but she welcomes those other terms like equalism. If the few cents in the wage gap ate caused by discrimination I hope they disappear soon! it's all about equality unlike what most feminists think.
I'm just eating oreos and watching this, I love it.
+The Generalissimo
Oreos?! That's gross, that's racist!
I have such massive amount of respect for this lady even if she is an American she is one of the small percentage that has an actual real human brain.
I was about to make a comment on the "Equity Feminism" that adding 'Feminism" is unnecessary.
But she already said it herself.
One thing that I have noticed is that a person doesn't have to be any one thing specifically for people to feel it is okay to mob,bully,exclude or treat unfairly.I think that, as horrible as it is, at least if someone is discriminated against based on race,gender,sexuality,size, etc..and I'm not attempting to understate how bad this is, but at least then the victimized can have support, get help and can identify the abuse so to address the problem and and call out the perpetrator hopefully within a fair society that frowns on discrimination as it should.
I think that discrimination and unfair treatment will soon become more general,hidden,insidious so that people who are being attacked won't have much sympathy or understanding for what they are experiencing and that targets will be anyone who is unpopular, or vulnerable to mistreatment in subtle and covert ways and when they complain or cry for help others will dismiss them as crybabies or attention hounds rather than being understanding and helping to mitigate or stop the abuse or help defend them in some way.
It is good to tell people to be strong and confident but in real life it is a complex,competitive world and a lot of people are hostile.antagonistic,exploitative, engaged in groupthink and scapegoat unconsciously and it is more difficult for some to assert themselves against it because we all are different with different abilities.
I've always considered the first time women spoke for women's rights as exactly that ''Women's Rights''. I always consider what Christina considers ''Second Wave'' to be when Women's Rights turned into Feminism because Feminism has always had a liberal, promiscuity based agenda. Women's Rights, on the other hand was more moderate and conservative. The attitudes of the two different groups and times make them entirely different. If we want rights for women, we have to return back to Women's Rights and denounce Feminism ideals and return to peaceful, respectful, modest political discussion and activism for the women who are still oppressed today. The price of freedom isn't always violence, it sometimes has to come about through respect, maturity and even modesty and Feminism whether from the 50s/60s to Modern Feminism is NONE of these qualities.
Appreciated Christina's explanation of the 2nd wave. It's true: I personally became disillusioned with feminism in the mid 70's, when the militant feminists came about. Yes, they did become the mean. (No pun intended.)
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Female Chauvenism!!!! love it!
+Sorrow Heart yes I love it too