Long UTB Allis Chalmers Oliver White MolineTractor Hydraulic QuickFix
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- Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2020
- For all UTB (Universal Built Tractors) Long Allis Chalmers Oliver Minneapolis Moline Etc. Hydraulics stopped working, or worked when it was parked... Before replacing a pump.. Check this FIRST!!!
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I feel obligated to comment back to you about this. My father in law passed away 3 months ago unexpectedly and we have been going through his estate. He has a Long 350 which has needed some love for a while. Your video is the only one I could find on this topic for the UTB tractors specifically and I'm incredibly grateful for you for documenting this repair. I was ready to give up hope on fixing his tractor and instead, you've allowed me to carry on a tangible reminder of my father in law every time I fire it up. So again, thank you sir!
Excellent! Glad to be of service! We have more videos on those tractors ready to go.. (I really need to take a week off just to have time to upload new episodes and update and catch up the channel) IT will get done hopefully soon so you and others have more recourses to fix these machines. Love from the M&M family to yours
Good stuff!!!
THANK YOU!!! Got a deal on an old Long 350 with a jerky 3 point hitch and this is the FIRST practical piece of information I’ve found on them. Thanks again!!
You have no idea how glad I am to see someone who is appreciating UTB tractors. I used to work there. In the T42 sector of the factory and I made the gears for the gear box for the 45HP line. I would love to see a 1010DT and a 650M UTB in USA
That is awesome! We are a little behind LOL but do have more videos of different UTB tractors coming soon
I have a 45hp long 445
@@AtlastaFarM❤
I’ve got a long 610, haven’t had any trouble with that valve but I’ll be on the look out for that.
I have trouble keeping my hydraulic steel filter clean, when it stops up it does the same thing.
I started annealing those copper washers to get them soft again.
Thanks for the video. 15:18
i was mowing this weekend and took lunch and came back to no hydraulics-thanks for the video and instruction. i will definitely check out your solutions.
Hello, been having a problem with my AC5040 Allis chalmers tractor hydrolic 3 point hitch quit working. After Setting for a couple of months . Looked all over the internet and couldn't find anything on this. Last night ran across this video. Exactly what I needed. Cleaned out the valve and filter. went ahead and did the leak test on the pump. Filled it back up and works fine. Thanks so much. Best luck to you.
awesome. glad it helped
Wonderfully informative. I will do this when I get my Long 610 revived. It's a model 1582. I was looking for your blow by video you mentioned on this 360. My 610 has blow by when warmed up, and was looking for some guidance. I was told Diesel and hytrans in the oil pan will loosen ring grit, but not gonna try that without an knowledgeable opinion from a guy like you. Well done and concise video. Thank you.
Just fixed my AC5050 3 pt. hydraulic lift by cleaning the stuck valve piston. Had to make a spacial tool to break the stuck piston. Screw driver would not turn it. After I got it out and cleaned it I noticed there was a small hole in the center which had a 8MM fine thread. At least a 3" long screw would assist you in pulling the piston with ease.Your U-tube presentation solved my problem. I also bought the tractor with issues and knew nothing about this tractor. Am very impressed with the 55 HP Fiat Allis Chalmers tractor. Thank you very much for the help. Now have leaks in left side rocker shaft and lift arm to fix.
That's awesome! This particular video was a pain in the (pick your body part). Just seems like every time I try to make an episode on that scenario something would screw it up. Worth it though because it obviously helped someone!! Good choice of tractor. Be sure to subscribe.. there will be more videos on the Fiat models!
Just got my first tractor 1976 long 360
I've been looking for a channel like this for a LONG (no pun intended) time. I've got a UTB 640 and the 3-point hitch hasn't worked since I got the tractor 5 years ago. I know my pumps are good because the loader works so I'm going to try this easy fix today. Before I start, I don't think this is my problem- on my tractor, the raise/ lower lever moves freely up and down with no resistance so I think something is broken in the mechanism itself, maybe a pin missing or something inside the housing. If you have a video of the lift lever mechanism- as in, disassembly/ rebuild, I'd be real happy to see it. Gonna search your channel before I go any further. Thanks a ton,
Pat
Should be a short crescent shaped lever below the lift quadrant. It only has two positions... this is the draft control engagement lever. Try moving it to its opposite position and see if the hydraulics work. If it works in draft, then your lift will either go full up or full down.... no intermediate position control. If this works then most likely a roller or cam follower is out of adjustment inside the rockshaft assembly. (not a hard fix, just heavy). Or the Valve talked about in this video is the culprit. (draft control bypasses that valve)
@@AtlastaFarM
No movement in any position with the levers, tried every position. I didn't get around to checking that valve today, tied up with other tasks. On it first thing tomorrow if we don't get snow. If I send you some pix or a short video of what I'm dealing with, can you advise from there? It's almost impossible to find good info on these tractors and the manuals are poorly translated so not much help there. I do think I'm dealing with a mechanical issue in the lift mechanism itself as mentioned above, as I can raise and lower the lever and there is no resistance at all, like something is busted inside.
There is a video on utube on the 3 point lever arm and it shows the internal mechanism and there is a pin that comes loose on these and its pretty common so might be your issue
@@soggybottomfarm2575
Any chance you can post or pm me the link to that video? It sounds exactly like what the problem is.
@@patmowatt2130 just type in (long tractor open 3 point under seat) and it pops up, like 4 videos on it
Hello everyone , UTB build tractors in Romania, such FIAT U 445 450 460 these are al the same just a bit more hp and cylinders like 3 or 4 :D but the hydraulic systame all the same, so when u need information for this system just look around "fiat u 445 hydraulic" or youtube and u can find a lot of information cuz there useing the farmers nowadays to this tractors
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أتمنى أن يترجم هذا بشكل صحيح !! ... على الرحب والسعة.
'atamanaa 'an yutarjim hadha bishakl sahih !! ... ealaa alrahb walsaeati.
@@AtlastaFarM Thank you, you are a creative teacher. The problem of tractor hydraulics lasted for 7 months, but thanks to Gideok, his problem solved
The Long tractors have a fiat engine which is great on fuel. The only problem was the Romania ring which are sorry . Do a ring job and will make a great tractor. I have a 610 DTC, 2360, 2610 long. And a 80-90 Hesston, love them.
I bought a non running UTB 350 Long tractor last year and wondering how different is it to change pistons and sleeves in chassie? I had to replace the pump and injectors and got it to run, but it has what sounds like to me is a piston slapping the head on the last cylinder back it’s a Fiat 3 cylinder and 1974 thru 1976 model and everything else works on the old girl good tires but the knock sounds scary but it runs and drives fine but not sure if I can do it without separation of the front of the tractor and would like your opinion on the matter I’m a 75 year old and 99% have to do things by myself without any help and not sure if I want to attempt that much work on the old tractor, as stated everything works ok on it and it would never bring the money to cover the repairs I already have in it, and help or advise would come in handy right now. Thank you for your videos 👍👍
Great video, I have a Long 460 and I changed the hydraulic pump and cleaned the valve that you showed in the video, cleaned filter and changed the hydraulic oil, I have lift now but it bleeds down fast and wont hold, I noticed hydraulic oil leaking under the 3 point area and my question is could the 3 point Piston seals and ring be bad? Man it would be awesome if you would explain the process to fix the piston seals that are under seat area. Thanks for any help and just subscribed to your channel
Thank u sir
Thanks for this video. It was just what I needed for my UTB 640DTC. Next is to change the spring in the HYD remote valve. Any tricks to remove the piece that holds the spring? I can't seem to get it to slide off the bolt without damaging it.
Good Content, I currently own a 1969 Long 350 and would appreciate more content on the engine. Thank you in advance.
More to come!
@@AtlastaFarM I bought an older long 310. My 3 point isn't working, while investing I found the transmission is empty! Now my question is would this affect the 3 point? My shop manual says the hydraulic system and transmission share the same sump but it doesn't say where you fill it. Would the fill point be the next big bolt back from the one you removed by the seat? I already bought the trans hydraulic fluid and am gonna clean the filter.
@@Justin-kx3jh the filler nut is on top of the transmission beside the gear shift
@@AtlastaFarM thank you! Now does the transmission share the same trans hydraulic fluid as the hydraulic system meaning are they incorporated together?
@@Justin-kx3jh It Does. Also the Dipstick is most comonly located under the parking brake lever Right hand side. Some are located near the gearshift, but not common. If you do not have the P-brake lever like in a car, then look between your right heal and the transmission as sitting in the seat. You should see the ring of the dipstick in that general area.
hi there what is the other bolt in the bottom of relief valve, drain for hydraulic or is it some thing else. thx in advance
Great Video. can't find much on UTB tractors. I have a UTB 550DT Super model. Can you comment on the parts under the seat on the model in the video. What is the lever on the side and where is the level indicator and fill hole. Thank you
sorry for the delayed response. We have a video almost finished on this exact information. I would attempt to write it out for you, but it would be an insanely long read and hard to describe accurately enough in words.
Looking forward to seeing the video. Thanks
Lamborghini Traktor hat diesen Kraftheber auch verbaut.
Thanks for the video good job . I have a question about the hydraulics for the 3 point. With the fill cap on top of the 3 point housing removed at idle the oil drains fine back to tank. With the tractor at 1400 rpm the oil doesn't drain back to tank fast enough and comes out the fill cap.
Any idea what would cause this? Looking at this because rocker shaft is leaking bad on left and right side.
Oh and what is the normal height the oil should get to.
Thanks I really like your videos
First I have to ask where you fill the oil? are you trying to fill it at the rockshaft assembly?
Thank you for getting back with me, No sir I fill it at the hydraulic oil fill plug next to the neutral safety switch. I have a Long 510 that I want to fix the oil leaks. Trying to figure out how high the oil should get in the rocker housing.
That is correct fill point. Dipstick should be RH as sitting on tractortop of transmission usually near P-Brake Handle. You should not get ANY oil in rockshaft assembly.
What do you think would cause the rocker housing to fill up and not drain fast enough? The drain hole in the rocker housing appears to be clear. I was able to get a piece of plastic tubbing all the way down the drain hole
You have one massive leak... most likely the piston is cracked or the seals/rings are completely blown out.
Just picked up a 560 milky white hydraulic fluid wont move in any gear what you think
4:50 remove nut and clean spring and inner area.
And I'm curious what engine is on it. It's a Louisiana but I was told it's same as a Perkins on the Ford 2000 super dexta I was going to try to cross reference parts and also where could I get the hydraulic pump for the power steering or a power steering cylinder kit
Im guessing you were using speech to text. Technology is horrid..lol. The engine is an Uzina. and NO.. it is NOTHING like a Perkins. Totally different solar system. Pumps are available many places including LongParts (google it) and steiner , A&I etc.. MAke sure to NOT get a chanesium pump. Turkish , Euro or US is best. Turkish is most common and cheapest and good quality. Also be sure to get the Power Steering pump. They look almost Identical to the Hydraulic pumps, but rotate the opposite direction and have much different pressure outputs!.. Pumps should be noted on their listings whether they are P/S or HYD pumps.
@@AtlastaFarM thank you!! It's a Long 445 I need injector lines too
Im working on a 2610 Long.
With your video, i got the 3 point to start working again but now it bounces really bad when going down.
Any ideas ?
Draft setting. Usually the second lever (beside the everyday up&down lever) is in wrong position.
I will try your stuck valve theory on my 1986 Long 2360. My three-point hitch was working before and after working on my control valve manifold, the hitch will not go up or down as if there is no hydraulic pressure. I did add hydraulic oil to the reservoir because it was way low. I can pick up the three point levers in the back and the arms go up and down easily. Just dead! I hope there is nothing too seriously wrong. Is there such a thing as removing air form the hydraulic system
Not really as far as air... but also make sure the draft control lever is not activated. If you worked on the lever quadrant at all it is very eSy to have the draft engaged which will make your hydro system act wonky. FYI the draft lever is a Cresent shaped lever usually underneath your everyday position levers
I also have a Long 360 that will only lift about 80 or so lbs. Not sure if it may be bypassing an O-ring or what, but any help on this matter is greatly appreciated!
Be sure the draft control lever is not engaged. This lever is behind the main lift controls! (As sitting in seat, RH side, raise/lower levers x2 in front, and draft lever lower rear of control quadrant) Lever is crescent shaped (bent)
I need the line that goes from injection pump to I think the second injector do you know where I could get lines for it
I have a 445
LongParts.com or UTB parts, any AGCO tractor dealer(massey ferguson, etc --look up for allis chalmers 5040 is same--), or can have a decent hydraulic repair shop make one
What would cause fluid to leak out of this valve? I was likely putting too much weight on the 3pt and noticed fluid coming out of this valve. Now the 3pt is stuck in the up position even with the lift lever pushed all the way forward. Does this sound like a stuck valve or something more serious? Also wondering if I just need to add some fluid to it. If the fluid level got too low would it cause the 3pt to stop working?
Fluid can leak out of there.If there is too much weight .. it is a relief valve Which is the intended outcome . As far as it's staying up, There is a secondary lever below your regular control levers. It is curved it looks like it wraps around the control lever box that is your draft control. You may want to make sure that lever is in the correct position. In one position it allows normal up down position control and in the other position is draft which will be either fully raised or fully lowered
Great! Thanks for the response. I’ll take a look at the draft control.
I got a long 510 I just got and the 3pt handle is frozen won't move up or down. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
I am going to guess its stuck the usual way I have dealt with in the past, so we will go with this fix.... spray the pivot point of the handle with some sort of penetrant, WD40 is worthless in my opinion but I will admit it can possibly help in this case... I would try a more industrial penetrant like PB Blaster or NutsOff etc. Then take a large plier or knuckle buster, adjustable wrench... whatever you can get on it as close to the pivot point as possible and attempt to work it back and forth. I have in the past just man handled the handle and at the same time used a decent hammer to tap the pivot point in the direction im pushing/pulling.(with finesse... meaning - be forceful but dont go medevil on it), Once it starts to move, soak the pivot point with a good carb cleaner, or ether(starting fluid). This will work the dry grease out of the pivot shaft. Usually its just dirt and grime mixed with the grease that has dried from lack of use that makes them stick.
This is a long shot. But my steering only wants to turn to the right!!! I have the white 1370 and the dawn thing was rebuilt by a local shop. Now it only wants to turn right. Any fix for this?
If this model has a hydraulic ram on the main steering shaft... then the sensor is the issue... (sensor is the stud like a ball joint or tie rod that connects the cylinder to the drag link/shaft) It is a simple adjustment mechanism.. Just like doing a vehicle steering alignment!! It needs to be adjusted to "center" the travel.... best to look for UTB steering shaft adjustment" on google or youtube
I just watched a video ( long steering cylinder rebuild ) it was sped up and no sound sp there was no explanation. I'm mechanically inclined so I got it just from watching. And the bench testing at the end for the adjustment was what I really needed to see.
the book that came with my 445 long 1972 says to use sae 80 weight non foaming oil...
other folks i have to use hydraulic fluid...any help...
Normally we would say always go by the manual. Unfortunately 80 weight is something that is ultra hard to come by and is equivalent really only to mineral oil but for an everyday use oil a 303 or universal hydraulic fluid is more than adequate
@@AtlastaFarM thanks for the reply,,,i am slow and don;t understand the differance between sae 80 ep and 80-90 weght gear oil...
Will that valve make the 3 point hitch bounce if it is stuck or rusty.
It could, however you will be lucky if that is the problem. Usually bouncing is caused by a restricted suction filter, or damaged lift pump
@@AtlastaFarM I have replaced the filter and checked everything I can. The bouncing get worst as the engine rpm goes up. Is the a video on how the replace the pump that I can watch. Also I have many pumps in the 100 dollar rang are those reliable.
@@josephbramblett71 No pump videos just yet. As far as a good pump.. the FIRST thing to look at, is the FLOW RATE! There are many pumps that will fit, but have a weak flow rate (GPM = Gallon Per Min). Especially if you have a FEL (front end loader) YOu will want a pump with the largest GPM you can get. Most pumps we have used have been manufactured in Turkey/ Romania/ India and the UK. Most common will be from Turkey or India. Do not be afraid of where they are manufactured (except China lol) Those countries hold a standard to their manufacturing. DO NOT GO THROUGH AMAZON!!! You will most likely get a china knockoff, and trying to get an exchange or warranty is wasted. Use a company like "agkits" or "yesterdays Tractor" "Steiner"(best) etc. Support American Business especially since you have warranty and coverage through them.
I have replaced the hydraulic filter/(metal strainer) and I have put a new hydraulic pump on this tractor. I flushed it with Diesel fuel and hydraulic fluid and when I did that the bounce went away with the diesel in it. When I put new hydraulic fluid the bounce came back. Where can the restriction be at.
My 3point moves very slow and I have to rev the engine to make it lift fully, any suggestions
what tractor?
Its a long
Does it make any sort of humming or buzzing sound when it's lifting?
If it is noisy the first place to look would be the strainer/filter. If you don't know where that is look for the horizontal tube about 3 in in diameter on the right hand side of the engine lower portion. On the back end of it closest to the operator station will be a cap with two bolts. Pop it off pull the strainer out and it should be a metal strainer that you can clean and reuse. When you check the filter if it is a very whitish creamy looking oil you may have too high a concentration of water in the system which will cause the same issue as a clogged filter. Just respond with your findings and we'll move on from there.
My tractor is a long 2460 so it has a can filter so I changed it, check the fluid and it's clear and full. The front loader works as it should but the three point hitch will raise and lower nice with no weight on it but when I have the bush hog attached, I have to rev the engine to get it to lift. Any help is greatly appreciated
@@john8649 it would be hard to diagnose not knowing what kind of loader or at least how the loader is attached to the hydraulics. If it's attached to the factory secondaries it's possible that it's not a power beyond port and you need to flip a lever. It's also possible that they could have spliced into the hard lines and your loader is taking all the hydraulic volume and not leaving enough for the three-point
love the vid . i have a 2260 long same problem. it will try to raze 3 point but then not all the way. I am draining hydro oil it was milky. Dose the plug under the tranny drain all the hydraulic oil? There is another plug towards the rear end, do I drain it too? if so does it all fill from the same location?
Just an epiphany, there is a lever behind the lift controls that goes in two positions, either up or down.. this is the draft control engagement. Many times it is in the on position and will restrict the movement of the lift like you mention.
Where is the transmission dipstick on the UTB 550DT tractor. Can't find it anywhere. Thanks
there are a few different designs and off the top I cant remember them all.. however the most common place.. when sitting in the operators seat.. right hand side below right leg.. usually snuggled between a hard hydraulic line and the transmission case where it meets the rear end. if its original it will have a steel loop to pull
You can watch turkish Fiat tractor repair video on RUclips . This Utb and Fiat tractor so famous in Turkey. İ have a Fiat 480 1975
Can u send me links for long 445
Das ist Fiat Technik.
Fiat.