What Should Catholics think of "Bishop of Rome" Document? Questions with Father #50
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- This week on the SSPX Podcast, we’ll pause the Catholic Mass series for an episode of Questions with Father an a recent document that was released from the Vatican. The document is commonly known as “The Bishop of Rome” document, and is titled, “To Find a Way of Exercising Primacy.” In it, the Holy Father makes some curious remarks about ecumenism, referring to himself, for instance, as “the gravest obstacle on the path of ecumenism.” So what are we to think of this? What is the answer to ecumenism, and has the teaching of the Church changed?
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Thank you Father for your explanation of the true Doctrine and modern corruptions. May God soon "Omnia instaurare in Christo" !
Great to hear your thoughts on this. Nobody seemed to pay much attention to it at the time, despite the fact that it contains some very disturbing propositions. God Bless you all.
I was 22 years old when the Mass changed. Being raised in the pre Vatican II church, it was shocking. With what’s going on now it is not just shocking , I have no words to describe what’s happening without using the word demonic. I hardly see any of the Church I grew up in present in any novus ordo parishes I have attended. Thank God I am still able to attend a traditional Latin Mass.
Thank you Fr. Robinson and Andrew. Well done.
Excellent teaching. Thank you.!
QURSTION: After this very fine & detailed analysis & expose of the current ecclesial situation & these things being so, what is your final conclusion? ANSWER: The unequivocal rejection & repudiation of Vatican II
If you read Vatican II there is a whole lot of good in it also.
Not just bad. I am not saying there aren't dangerous inaccuracies & ambiguities in the text but we cannot unequivocally reject.
We have to reject the heterodox novelties but not throw out the baby with the bathwater
@@karlheven8328 Would you eat a slice of chocolate cake that had 0.1 cc of cyanide?
Ironic how the document uses the word "universal" in the term universal federation, when the word "Catholic" already means universal.
Thanks!
Meeting modern man where he his and following him into disorder
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The church is the mystical body of Christ, a divine person with Jesus Christ as head, and pope as his vicar on earth, head and father of the children of God, the members of one body of Christ
This is a great analysis, gentlemen, but I think you are forgetting that the operating philosophy of Pope Francis and his "theologians" is Hegelism. One of the rotten fruits of the widespread acceptance of the theory of evolution as a physical principle, is that they apply it to everything. To the Hegelist, man is evolving, religion is evolving, even God is evolving, we're all on a journey to perfection, to self-realization. The process of this philosophy of evolution is based on the Dialectic. This is where they get all their verbiage about "dialogue". In the Dialectic, you have a synthesis, a core idea, and an anti-synthesis, which is its revolutionary opposite. Through "dialogue", these ideas are "developed" and "evolve" into a SUPERIOR knowledge and understanding. Remember, evolutionists believe that death, destruction, and chaos are the engine of the development of better and more complex creatures. They apply this process to doctrine as well. This is really key to understand Modernism.
Francis seems to matter less and less, the next Pope will make all the difference one way or the other.
If each new Pope can "develop" (change) Church doctrine to suit his personal whims, what does it matter what the next Pope does? Pope Francis, as if by executive order, decreed that capital punishment is inherently evil. This is a blasphemy against the justice of God. What if the new Pope were to cancel, as if by another executive order, the false teaching of Pope Francis on capital punishment? Neither action would mean anything, as a Pope cannot change the infallible Magisterium of the Church.
Was there such a thing as "development of doctrine" before Vatican II? Francis is big on dialogue and short of goals. He changes things as long as there is ongoing dialogue.
Modernism has taken over 🙏
Facts.
To answer if they want to reach any closure with the discussion of ecumenical dialog, well yes. The end result will be the one world religion, which will contain nothing truly Catholic about it. Unfortunately, it will appear good in the eyes of simple minded people who haven't a clue about the last 60 years of what's happened in the Church. Buckle up folks, put on the armor of God. Please pray for me as I will for you.
Pax vobiscum
Buckle up, indeed. On the political front, the Republican Party no longer has a pro-life platform and has gone woke. Anti-Catholic persecution is fixing to ramp up dramatically.
What is a woman? Why can't a man could become a woman if he cuts off certain parts? Why can't a same sex couple be married? What is marriage? Why can't man redefine such things? Why can't we redefine the papacy? Why can't the Church define herself? This last 2 questions fit in so well with the absurdities of today. Man trying to recreate everything himself.
One shouldn’t give up one’s birth rite for a mess of potage! Our Lord gave Peter the keys of the Kingdom ,and the Pope , successor of Peter is therefore, the head of the Christian Church on earth and the Vicar of Christ. Changing nomenclature ie therefore, without any value,and annoying. The other denominations have their own leader and their own traditions and beliefs which are in reality very different to ours. l speak from my experience of my friends , Anglican, high church, Scottish , Methodist, and they seem to dislike one another,and l decided to keep to neutral ground at all times. Only God can bring us together.
If doctrine can change, how can we uphold the indefectibility of the Church? If the Second Vatican Council and the Vatican 2 Popes have changed doctrine then have not the gates of Hell prevailed?
I’m not being a smart Alec. I’m genuinely seeking an explanation and am sincerely struggling interiorly with all of this.
Oh no, the gates have not prevailed. Just as Christ died on the cross, his bride the church is following the same path. It seems as if she is dead, but the resurrection will come when the Pope correctly consecrates Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the world and church will be renewed. We will have a Holy Pope installed known as Peter the Roman and he will anathematize Vatican 2 and all the heresies. The answer to the corruption is because we have not heeded the warnings of Our Lady at Fatima. Not enough people have done their 5 Saturdays. This is all a spiritual chastisement, which is worse than physical. Stay close to Our Lady, do the 5 Saturdays with fervor and pray the rosary!
Truth can never change. Attempts at changing the truth have never ceased, beginning with 'No, you shall not die...". Today the voice of Satan trying to undermine the truth comes from Peter, but that also isn't new, "Get behind Me Satan", were the words of the Lord to the first Pope. And it doesn't mean that the Church has defected, after all, you still cling to the truth and many others do as well. The "mystery of iniquity" (2 Thess 2:7) is just that - a mystery. We cannot understand it in our day, but we can recognize it when we see the contradictions. We like nice "closed-form" solutions, but mysteries in the spiritual sense are not like that. It's simple and easy to conclude that, 'A father wouldn't do/say that, so he cannot be the Pope.' But in doing so we separate ourselves from the visible Church and take to ourselves the right of a judgment that doesn't belong to us. We can say that "such and such doesn't agree with what the Church has always taught, so I will stay with what the Church has always taught." In just the same way a son may say of his abusive, drunken father, "You aren't in your right mind, so I won't do what you tell me to do that I know is wrong," but doesn't say that, "Your condition means you are not my father."
Vivat Christus Rex!🙏💚💛🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷💛💚🙏
Because of the apostasy and back sliding of the people, the prophet Jeremiah was losing heart and was thinking of packing the ministry in. The Lord said to him “They will come back to you, but you must not go back to them”. (Jer 15: 19) The minute you step back, you become part of the crowd. The Conciliar church of Vatican 2 did not follow this advice and by stepping back the church has now stooped to the level of all the other worldly religions, having a form of religion and have rejected the inner power of it.
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Pope Francis has now insulted the Holy Spirit by name. Jesus specifically said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the ONLY unforgivable sin!
Thanks!