A very similar thing happened to me, back in the 70s a guy stole my movie script and struck gold. Got away clean with it too on the pure bureaucratic technicality that I wasn't born until 4 years after Star Wars came out.
Yesterday I watched the comparison between a 1958 WWII film and the Star Wars attack on the Death Star. Script, camera angles, etc, copied straight, or almost straight, from "The Dam Busters".
"Don't underestimate deliberate ignorance" This is something I've come to agree with. But every time, without realizing I'd set a limit...the idiocy just keeps going and going... and sometimes, it just leaves me wordless.
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_Return - They were talking about claims that Genesis was the original mythology and that other cultures copied it... which requires ignoring the proven fact that those other cultures are far older and had their myths before Genesis was ever crafted.
I don't have to prove any poorly written stories are mythical. If anyone wants them to be taken seriously as non-fiction, go ahead and _prove they are._
Believers are just childish narcissists who selfishly want to live forever in some cosmic paradise sucking up to some celestial savior buddy. They are so scared that this might not actually happen (and that, one day, they will (GASP!!!!) die), that they ignore any evidence and rational argument against their beliefs, which is precisely why it is deliberate ignorance. I've largely stopped trying to debate these people with facts and reason; I just point out their selfish, psychological motives for their beliefs and leave it at that.
This is a common explanation I've heard my own Evangelical mother make on the phone with her church friends, usually in the same sentences where she says Mesopotamians were all devil-possessed wicked animals...
I remember one video where his dog interrupted and demanded petting, and Aron Ra just reflexively reached out and provided the petting. I would trust a dog to identify a good person sooner than I would trust a human.
Just the opposite in fact. Genesis is comprised of the scraps of Mesopotamian creation myths that limped through the Bronze Age Collapse in the form of nomadic songs and poems.
If you look at Cuneiform and Babylonian scholar, Irving Finkel, more recent tablet translations show that the original Mesopotamian ark fable was of a round corical shape. The earliest translations were incomplete.
That type of boat is called a _kuphar._ They were made of woven reeds sealed with pitch and could be up to 5.5 m in diameter and carry 16 tonnes. They were ubiquitous in Mesopotamia up to around 1900 CE. I suspect that the biblical nonce "gopher wood" (used to describe the ark) is a mistransliteration of this word.
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_Return No! You have it backwards my fellow ape! Secularism is for both religious and non religious! All choosing together based on our humanity no one group faith or not taking power and forcing its religion on all. As an atheist I do not scapegoat my responsibilities. I think you'll find the prisons have higher rates of the religious than Atheist and the worse the crimes the more religious. When you can fob off your actions and claim divine right anything is possible.
Objective Morality. Does not exist no matter how much you wish otherwise. Even if your tribal war deity existed it would not make morality objective. Furthermore, the evolution of morality demonstrates it's not objective. By the way, it is Christians who steal from secular morality.
I once had a conversation with a theist about how much of Genesis, especially the flood, was copied from Messapotamian mythology. She eventually stormed away walking after telling me to enjoy hell, to which I replied, "hell from which religion?"
Whenever theists tell me to enjoy Hell, I tell them that it would be infinitely better than spending eternity kissing the ass of a jealous, genocidal, malignant narcissist!
@@cfltheman The Jewish version only bears a fleeting resemblance to the modern Christian version. For all intents and purposes there is no concept of hell in Judaism.
@@earlgrey8611 Even Judaism, which purports to be an ancient religion, didn't take on its modern form until ca. 400 to 200 BCE; prior to that it was polytheistic and bore little resemblance to what we see today. Judeo-christian religions are *very* young. Citations on request, do you have any for your assertion?
@@earlgrey8611 The Jewish pantheon did include Yahweh as one of its gods (with El being the head god). We don't know that based on the bible though (it wasn't written until thousands of years later). However, what is worshiped today is not the same Yahweh. Modern Judaism basically took the god Ahura Mazda and renamed it with the name of one of their existing gods. Same name, different god.
"You see, what had happened was, the Debil went back in time and told them to write down those stories so it would *look* like Genesis was copied from them. That's obviously a much simpler and more intuitive set of events. You can ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild, she was there when the Debil told them do it!"
On the Mythvision Podcast channel, they're saying that the Pentateuch wasn't even written until the Hellenistic Period and was actually based on Ancient Greek myths; far younger than Judeo-Christian adherents would have us believe.
A Christian once told me that the "Devil" magically created the earlier Sumerian myths in order to make us THINK that they were older than the Biblical stories. That Devil...he's such a sneaky dude! LMAO!
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_ReturnYeah. Every flavor of christian superstitionism buys hundreds and thousands of copies and spreads them around like their so-called god will be imoressed.
Well, applying current legal context, the Mesopotamian texts would have passed into the public domain at least a few thousand years before the hebrew fan fic was written.
Being honest with myself and reading the Sumerian and Mesopotamian tradition as a whole, it very quickly became clear to me that the Torah was not "literally" true. I am an agnostic now, and the Sumerians were a huge part of my deconversion at first. MANY stories in the Torah are very obviously, and sometimes literally, copies and iterations of the Mesopotamian tradition, simply repackaged as monotheistic. Now I LOVE reading these stories for what they are. Appreciating these stories as stories has opened my mind to a whole new world of art and expression that I never appreciated before.
The monotheistic theology was adapted from Zoroastrianism ca. 400 BCE. I too love the history of that region, so many cultures meeting and sharing stories, ideas, and technologies.
Aron.. like it or not, I have decided that, instead of giving Trump my vote for a third time (and thereby supporting his Christian Nationalist supporters).. I will instead be writing in, as my POTUS vote, "Aron Ra, of Houston, TX". Is that correct, or what city should I write in instead?
Find "Irving Finkel | The Ark Before Noah: A Great Adventure." here on RUclips. A lecture by one of my all time heroes, Prof. Irving Finkel, an assyriologist from the British Museum, on the nearly 4000 year old clay tablet he translated (he can sight read cuneiform, the first ever true writing system) from ancient Mesopotamia about the ark. All of his lectures are irreverent, funny and loaded with information. He has a book on the same subject that's worth tracking down too. I have never, not once, been un-entertained by Prof. Finkel. A national treasure as precious as the tablets he studies!
anyone is a distorted copy of his parents, same with belief, any belief is a distorted copy of another belief, and while anything is some distortion, none of so many distortions affects time, chronology. Considering the real chronology of distortion after distortion, we get evolution. His holy bible is one distortion, caught between distortions. We call that sandwich
I wouldn't have expected that take. Not because I didn't think creationists would deny the parallels between Genesis and those other myths, though. I just never thought they'd come up with anything past going "nuh-uh!" and then acting smug.
Oh it's a pretty frequent thing that they claim anything that resembles something from their religion/s is obviously a later bastardised copy... no matter how much older the story may be and or how much it differs from their own in important details.
@@earlgrey8611 The biblical flood story is based on the real flood of the city of Shuruppak ca. 2900 BCE. This event is recorded not just in the archaeological record but also (heavily-embellished) in the epic of Atra-Hasis. This story has been adapted numerous times since, most notably in the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Jewish Genesis myth.
The Bible and Buddhism both have a tree of Knowledge. The Depiction of Angles is directly copied from a Hindu God that is said to be the King of heaven There are many more examples
I have no idea as to the veracity of those claims but I do know this: The bible is a pastiche. There is no single source that it is based upon. One interesting idea that I have seen posited is that Buddhism inspired the original version of Christianity.
I always look at it this way: Mesopotamia (Abraham, etc) and Egypt mythology (Moses) inspired Judaism. Judaism obviously inspired Christianity. And finally, Judaism and Christianity inspired Islam. Simple
I have heard this nonsense also. If you tell them the other texts are olderthey will just claim god told Abraham how it actually happened since the truth got corrupted.
Aron, lol, they just gotta argue! They hate to admit, just as they're not admitting now, they might not know the truth. And even the name, 'Palestine' is a Roman word, there is, was, no 'p' sound in arabic, according to Arab speakers.👍💙💙💙🥰✌
Just the opposite is the case. All the bible B.S. was copied from previously existing fairytale manure that had done already dropped out of the North end of a Southbound horse.
How does something that came before, copy something that came later... LMFAO that is pure copium, hypocrisy and ignorance. Pretty obvious which one was the copier, as it copied everything it could from every other pantheon, and forgot to name their god LMAO.
There are myths aplenty from the ancient Near East that point to a catastrophic flood, and archeological evidence shows there was one around the year 2900BCE. Shortly thereafter is when stories about this event started to appear; the Noah story is at least three layers removed from the originals and was clearly written centuries later. And, as one would expect from a good game of telephone, these stories get more and more embellished as the centuries progressed. What was a regional flood effecting a particular tribe later becomes a global flood that effected the entire world. And then, even later, all sorts of theobabble gets incorporated into the story. This actually points to the fatal flaw in the Abrahamic religions: they are predicated on these historical events being factual. Jesus SAID there was a global flood, so it MUST be true!! Adam and Eve MUST be REAL because if they weren't then Jesus had nothing to die for, and that sort of thing. Which is why you have all these believers going to ridiculous lengths to defend these obviously non-sensical stories in their bibles.
Every flood myth stems from a culture that lived in an area prone to flooding, no mountain dwellers ever reported a flood. And flood myths from different parts of the planet are not remotely identical.
As I've said elsewhere, the obvious thing would be for them just to do another rewrite of their books to reconcile them with what we know to be true. Edit for clarity: "them" = Abrahamic religions.
@@alexhajnal107Some necessary edits: The earth isn't flat. Stars are not lamps hanging in a firmament up in the atmosphere. Disease isn't caused by demonic possession and "sin." Buggery doesn't cause earthquakes and other natural disasters. (This one might be a tough sell since this continues to be a widespread belief among American evangelicals today).
All I heard was that since we found older copies of from this culture than that culture therefore means that one culture copied the story from the other. The obvious problem with this argument is that it doesn’t follow. It could be the case but by no means demonstrates the claim. This should be rather obvious. Years from now they could find an account of sept. 11 in the US and then find a similar account dating back older in Afghanistan. Should we then conclude the US account was plagiarized from the Afghanistan account? According to the argumentation given here the answer would be yes we should and that would be false. Now that you know stop using it and retract it like any honest public speaker would. I know you wouldn’t want to intentionally mislead anyone.
if the tsunami that happened in 2004 CE in Indonesia and the tsunami in Japan in 2011 CE happened in 2004 BCE and 2011 BCE Due to the lack of reliable sources, many in 2024 CE could have assumed that these events are the same
I intend to write a book on all the ways we know that the stories in the Bible found their initial inspiration in these elder stories, mostly from Mesopotamia. There are many ways that we know this, many reasons why it is impossible to be the other way around.
Or, this could also mean, the root of ancient religion shared similar fact, proof that we have same origin? I think none of you guys ever thought about that. 😂
If you're claiming that the number of stories from all over the world about floods proves an actual global flood, then no, they have thought about that and it didn't happen. Ancient settlements needed a large source of water in order to exist, so they were build by rivers; these flood regularly so the number of stories is easily explained. It's easy to imagine some ancient story teller had the idea to tell a story about the whole world being flooded by the gods. However, the Egyptian, Chinese and several other ancient civilizations all existed across the timespan in which the flood supposedly took place, and never recorded anything about it. Also, we can tell there never was a global flood, because if there had been, then the world would still be flooded as there's nowhere for all that water to go. It's more plausible that this is simply the kind of fanciful story-telling that led to the myth of the destruction of Atlantis (the Thera eruption).
There are myths aplenty from the ancient Near East that point to a catastrophic flood, and archeological evidence shows there was one around the year 2900BCE. Shortly thereafter is when stories about this event started to appear; the Noah story is at least three layers removed from the originals and was clearly written centuries later. And, as one would expect from a good game of telephone, these stories get more and more embellished as the centuries progressed. What was a regional flood effecting a particular tribe later becomes a global flood that effected the entire world. And then, even later, all sorts of theobabble gets incorporated into the story. This actually points to the fatal flaw in the Abrahamic religions: they are predicated on these historical events being factual. Jesus SAID there was a global flood, so it MUST be true!! Adam and Eve MUST be REAL because if they weren't then Jesus had nothing to die for, and that sort of thing. Which is why you have all these believers going to ridiculous lengths to defend their bibles.
And if you're looking for Biblical confirmation that the Earth floats in space, then look no further than Job 26:7, which reads: "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing."
Then several chapters later in the same book, Job 38:14 has God himself saying that "The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment." So even God thought the earth was flat back then!
@@AronRa If memory serves, it's even worse than that, it was in a documentary, so grain of salt handy, but supposedly there's good evidence to show that it was widely known in the area at the time of jesus that the earth was ball shaped. Christians might well be the original flat earthers.
@@rynther Earth's diameter was accurately measured by Eratosthenes ca. 240 BCE¹. Earlier scholars had already established that the Earth was a sphere though scientific observation. By the 500s BCE this idea was universally accepted; this is before the time that the modern version of Judaism was created (ca. 400 to 200 BCE). So yes, early modern Jews could be seen a the original flat Earthers. ¹ The value he determined matches the value measured in modern times within the margin of error due to uncertainty in what the precise value of the length unit _stadia_ was. That's not to say his methodology was perfect but it was good enough to get the value within 2.4% of the correct value.
I call to ask for time, plenty of time, as much time as it is required for me to prove God exists. I am a psychologist and person of many talents and I claim I have discovered the nature of God, so i am not like anyone else and i know what i am talking about. I would like to have all the time allocated of my telephone call to explain myself. I don't want to debate for now because i want to have for me all the time, it's me who has discovered the nature of God and other vital discoveries that are censored, not you. Do you or don't you want to end the war in the world? The solution is easy and the problem is the problem is wanted. To end the war and other undesirable suffering only the atheist logical fallacy has to be understood. The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheists don't believe God exists and believe God is "sky daddy". Am i right or wrong?. The fallacy is to believe God is what it's not. An example of the innumerable examples of the atheist logical fallacy is the quote by renowned atheist Richard Dawkins "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.". The fallacy is to conclude unsupported with arguments the universe was not created by an intelligent entity because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. It doesn't follow rationally that because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist the universe was not created by an intelligent entity. To know if something exists or not first we must know what is that something. God is the intelligent creator of the universe and the question "does God exist?" means "was the universe created from an intelligent entity?" or "did an intelligent entity decide to create the universe"?. I have developed a program to end atheism with several steps. The first step is to ask oneself "do I want God to exist?" or "do I want the universe was created from a superior intelligent entity?". The first step is to know oneself, what motivates our thought process and decisions. Ask yourself why you want or don't want God to exist. I am not not saying God exists because it is better for you if God exists, I am saying to understand God exists you have to be willing to search for something good for you. Atheists don't search for God because they don't want God to exist and they think God doesn’t exist. What's the point of searching for something you think it doesn't exist and on top of that is bad for you? It is irrational, absurd, ridiculous. The second step is "Is the most emblematic remark of atheism "who created god?" rational or irrational?". The question "who created what is not created?" is a Trojan horse, a trap, the devil deceiving you, a venomous spider web, the talking snake in the Garden of Eden, the Lord of the Rings forged in the fires of the mount of Doom, the ugly Medusa that petrifies who looks at her, the labyrinth of the Minotaur that devours humans, the hatter mad as working all the time. Atheists are deceived, eternally deceived, because when they are explained God exists because not all reality can have a beginning of existence they remark "who created god?" rejecting a valid logical explanation without any arguments. Did you understand the self deception? God is not going to stop existing because atheists reject logic and reality defending an idea without any arguments! Tragically the victims are innocent and vulnerable children that are told what to think instead of how to think rationally.
Can you please use PARAGRAPHS and SENTENCE BREAKS, what we have here is a word salad wall o text. With a hell of lot of assertions and fallacies mixed in.
A very similar thing happened to me, back in the 70s a guy stole my movie script and struck gold. Got away clean with it too on the pure bureaucratic technicality that I wasn't born until 4 years after Star Wars came out.
You should start a new religion like Muhammad. Something similar happened to him.
LoL 😅😆🤣😆🤣😆
I hesitate to admit that I had to think about this for a second. I guess the coffee is too weak.
Yesterday I watched the comparison between a 1958 WWII film and the Star Wars attack on the Death Star. Script, camera angles, etc, copied straight, or almost straight, from "The Dam Busters".
@@pineapplepenumbraWhat was the video called?
Alec Guinness as Barnes Wallis but who played N-word the dog?
"Don't underestimate deliberate ignorance"
This is something I've come to agree with. But every time, without realizing I'd set a limit...the idiocy just keeps going and going... and sometimes, it just leaves me wordless.
Ignorance of what exactly you haven’t disproven the Bible
Why would anyone need to disprove a collection of mythological fiction?
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_Return - They were talking about claims that Genesis was the original mythology and that other cultures copied it... which requires ignoring the proven fact that those other cultures are far older and had their myths before Genesis was ever crafted.
I don't have to prove any poorly written stories are mythical. If anyone wants them to be taken seriously as non-fiction, go ahead and _prove they are._
Believers are just childish narcissists who selfishly want to live forever in some cosmic paradise sucking up to some celestial savior buddy. They are so scared that this might not actually happen (and that, one day, they will (GASP!!!!) die), that they ignore any evidence and rational argument against their beliefs, which is precisely why it is deliberate ignorance.
I've largely stopped trying to debate these people with facts and reason; I just point out their selfish, psychological motives for their beliefs and leave it at that.
This is a common explanation I've heard my own Evangelical mother make on the phone with her church friends, usually in the same sentences where she says Mesopotamians were all devil-possessed wicked animals...
I got my girlfriend turned on to watch Aron with me. At first, she thought he was scary-looking. Now she calls him a teddy bear. Lol.
My housemate is the same, except she will not watch him at all.
I think you might want to reconsider your phrasing haha, but that rules
@@wumbojet - turned on, you say?
I remember one video where his dog interrupted and demanded petting, and Aron Ra just reflexively reached out and provided the petting.
I would trust a dog to identify a good person sooner than I would trust a human.
More like Spock's childhood teddy bear, but yeah. "Not precisely, doctor. On Vulcan, the teddy bears are alive, and they have 6" fangs."
Just the opposite in fact. Genesis is comprised of the scraps of Mesopotamian creation myths that limped through the Bronze Age Collapse in the form of nomadic songs and poems.
but... but... mah buleefs!?!?!? 😢
Exactly
@@uncleanunicorn4571you found one story in the Bible that was possibly copied this does not disprove the whole Bible
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_ReturnImagine believing that anything in the Bible is true.
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_Return
The bible is all dismissed.
Its garbage.
How much evidence do you need?
If you look at Cuneiform and Babylonian scholar, Irving Finkel, more recent tablet translations show that the original Mesopotamian ark fable was of a round corical shape.
The earliest translations were incomplete.
I saw the tablet at the British Museum the day before yesterday.
That type of boat is called a _kuphar._ They were made of woven reeds sealed with pitch and could be up to 5.5 m in diameter and carry 16 tonnes. They were ubiquitous in Mesopotamia up to around 1900 CE. I suspect that the biblical nonce "gopher wood" (used to describe the ark) is a mistransliteration of this word.
The best way to succintly summarize Christianity is: Narcissistic Blood Sacrifice Death Cult.
A way to summarize secularism: “I do what I want and nothing is objectively morally wrong/matters”
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_Return
No!
You have it backwards my fellow ape!
Secularism is for both religious and non religious!
All choosing together based on our humanity no one group faith or not taking power and forcing its religion on all.
As an atheist I do not scapegoat my responsibilities.
I think you'll find the prisons have higher rates of the religious than Atheist and the worse the crimes the more religious.
When you can fob off your actions and claim divine right anything is possible.
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_Return
Yawn
Don't project you nonesense
Objective Morality.
Does not exist no matter how much you wish otherwise. Even if your tribal war deity existed it would not make morality objective. Furthermore, the evolution of morality demonstrates it's not objective.
By the way, it is Christians who steal from secular morality.
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_Return even if morality was objective, I'm proudly immoral by biblical standards
I once had a conversation with a theist about how much of Genesis, especially the flood, was copied from Messapotamian mythology. She eventually stormed away walking after telling me to enjoy hell, to which I replied, "hell from which religion?"
@@lifeinthe80s Most do
Well, christianity nicked its Hell off Zoroastrianism, and then made it even worse.
Whenever theists tell me to enjoy Hell, I tell them that it would be infinitely better than spending eternity kissing the ass of a jealous, genocidal, malignant narcissist!
@@lifeinthe80sThat includes Judaism, the religion Christianity and Islam are based on.
@@cfltheman The Jewish version only bears a fleeting resemblance to the modern Christian version. For all intents and purposes there is no concept of hell in Judaism.
people believe what they want to believe, truth, facts, and reality dont enter into the equation
Whatever's required to shoe-horn it into the narrative. They have no self-awareness.
Not for me, I cannot believe what I want to. Only in what honestly convinces me. That's why I am an atheist.
Mesopotamia was one of the first recorded civilizations (4000 - 3000 BCE). Several millennia before the Bible was written (100 CE).
Wrong.
@@earlgrey8611You can't just say wrong without saying why. People won't take you seriously.
@@earlgrey8611 Even Judaism, which purports to be an ancient religion, didn't take on its modern form until ca. 400 to 200 BCE; prior to that it was polytheistic and bore little resemblance to what we see today. Judeo-christian religions are *very* young. Citations on request, do you have any for your assertion?
We know from the Bible that the first religion was the worship of Yahweh.
@@earlgrey8611 The Jewish pantheon did include Yahweh as one of its gods (with El being the head god). We don't know that based on the bible though (it wasn't written until thousands of years later).
However, what is worshiped today is not the same Yahweh. Modern Judaism basically took the god Ahura Mazda and renamed it with the name of one of their existing gods. Same name, different god.
"You see, what had happened was, the Debil went back in time and told them to write down those stories so it would *look* like Genesis was copied from them. That's obviously a much simpler and more intuitive set of events. You can ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild, she was there when the Debil told them do it!"
You guys shouldn't even try to prove this argument wrong. Just laugh at it.
I’m bummed out Lilith hasn’t released any new videos in a few years.
Theological mimicry by Abrahamic excusagists.
On the Mythvision Podcast channel, they're saying that the Pentateuch wasn't even written until the Hellenistic Period and was actually based on Ancient Greek myths; far younger than Judeo-Christian adherents would have us believe.
The wonderful thing about religion is that you can just make it up as you go along.
"wonderful", you say?
Theology is like looking for a black cat that isn't there in a dark room and shouting "I've found it!" 😆
A Christian once told me that the "Devil" magically created the earlier Sumerian myths in order to make us THINK that they were older than the Biblical stories. That Devil...he's such a sneaky dude! LMAO!
If the bible was newly published today it would be subject to any number of copyright infringements.
The Bible is the number one selling book and created the largest religion there’s a reason for that
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_ReturnYeah. Every flavor of christian superstitionism buys hundreds and thousands of copies and spreads them around like their so-called god will be imoressed.
Well, applying current legal context, the Mesopotamian texts would have passed into the public domain at least a few thousand years before the hebrew fan fic was written.
@@rynther Ditto for the Zoroastrian theology.
@@alexhajnal107 I heard somewhere that the hebrew bible is a copy of a copy, so more like a fan fic of a fan fic of a fantasy
Being honest with myself and reading the Sumerian and Mesopotamian tradition as a whole, it very quickly became clear to me that the Torah was not "literally" true. I am an agnostic now, and the Sumerians were a huge part of my deconversion at first. MANY stories in the Torah are very obviously, and sometimes literally, copies and iterations of the Mesopotamian tradition, simply repackaged as monotheistic.
Now I LOVE reading these stories for what they are. Appreciating these stories as stories has opened my mind to a whole new world of art and expression that I never appreciated before.
The monotheistic theology was adapted from Zoroastrianism ca. 400 BCE. I too love the history of that region, so many cultures meeting and sharing stories, ideas, and technologies.
Aron.. like it or not, I have decided that, instead of giving Trump my vote for a third time (and thereby supporting his Christian Nationalist supporters).. I will instead be writing in, as my POTUS vote, "Aron Ra, of Houston, TX".
Is that correct, or what city should I write in instead?
Find "Irving Finkel | The Ark Before Noah: A Great Adventure." here on RUclips.
A lecture by one of my all time heroes, Prof. Irving Finkel, an assyriologist from the British Museum, on the nearly 4000 year old clay tablet he translated (he can sight read cuneiform, the first ever true writing system) from ancient Mesopotamia about the ark.
All of his lectures are irreverent, funny and loaded with information.
He has a book on the same subject that's worth tracking down too.
I have never, not once, been un-entertained by Prof. Finkel. A national treasure as precious as the tablets he studies!
anyone is a distorted copy of his parents, same with belief, any belief is a distorted copy of another belief, and while anything is some distortion, none of so many distortions affects time, chronology. Considering the real chronology of distortion after distortion, we get evolution. His holy bible is one distortion, caught between distortions. We call that sandwich
I wouldn't have expected that take.
Not because I didn't think creationists would deny the parallels between Genesis and those other myths, though.
I just never thought they'd come up with anything past going "nuh-uh!" and then acting smug.
Oh it's a pretty frequent thing that they claim anything that resembles something from their religion/s is obviously a later bastardised copy... no matter how much older the story may be and or how much it differs from their own in important details.
Alot of the accounts we read in the bible are translations of earlier adaptations. Like noah and the flood was first utna pishnu and the flood
Other way round
@@earlgrey8611 The biblical flood story is based on the real flood of the city of Shuruppak ca. 2900 BCE. This event is recorded not just in the archaeological record but also (heavily-embellished) in the epic of Atra-Hasis. This story has been adapted numerous times since, most notably in the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Jewish Genesis myth.
The Bible and Buddhism both have a tree of Knowledge.
The Depiction of Angles is directly copied from a Hindu God that is said to be the King of heaven
There are many more examples
I have no idea as to the veracity of those claims but I do know this: The bible is a pastiche. There is no single source that it is based upon. One interesting idea that I have seen posited is that Buddhism inspired the original version of Christianity.
Drink when Aron Ra drinks. It is not optional. You must drink. 😂
I can't tell you how many beers I've drunk watching Aron Ra videos.
Yeah, I'm currently dying from cancer, hiv and birth defects and many things I won't mention. If God's, then he owns me a time machine.
I'm sorry, friend.
I always look at it this way:
Mesopotamia (Abraham, etc) and Egypt mythology (Moses) inspired Judaism.
Judaism obviously inspired Christianity.
And finally, Judaism and Christianity inspired Islam.
Simple
Modern Judaism also takes virtually all of its theology from Zoroastrianism.
Well, y'know, Satan is a time traveller and wrote the earlier stuff retroactively, according to Krisschyuns.
See? That's how magical that bible thing is😂
They must have used the devil's time machines to make the babble appear younger🎉
That's part of the reason Satan wants souls; to power the Time Machines.
The Bible literally tried to make the proto-Punic god of metalworking Hayn into Adam's son, Cain
It amazes me so many can't see or don't want to see so many stories that the bible ripped off.
Like the Jesus yarn copies earlier saviour gods, the OT, and the Book of Enoch.
I have heard this nonsense also. If you tell them the other texts are olderthey will just claim god told Abraham how it actually happened since the truth got corrupted.
They have no idea how old the Mesopotamian culture/s were, none.
They don't care what's true. They just want to believe. Heard that somewhere, Aron?
My thing , Since God is in all these churches how come he doesn't pay the Bills
Isaac is cute! :D
I have a clever idea, let's just make it up.
Stupid is remarkably resiliant.
Excellent stuff. Because it's true.
Can we just debunk religion already omg.
I am so tired of waiting
If we can just get AronRa on the Joe Rogan podcast life would be so much easier, :)
He would rip Rogan a new one.
...and Rogan would come away thinking Aron was right, until he had the next guy on.
@@PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude😂 nailed it
Why?
No
No and farken No.
I understand why you are wading through this crap, but I miss your best work.😢
Cmon we all know those ppl were time travelers to make the older look more recent lol
Hi Aron 👋
Aron, lol, they just gotta argue! They hate to admit, just as they're not admitting now, they might not know the truth. And even the name, 'Palestine' is a Roman word, there is, was, no 'p' sound in arabic, according to Arab speakers.👍💙💙💙🥰✌
Just the opposite is the case. All the bible B.S. was copied from previously existing fairytale manure that had done already dropped out of the North end of a Southbound horse.
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How does something that came before, copy something that came later... LMFAO that is pure copium, hypocrisy and ignorance. Pretty obvious which one was the copier, as it copied everything it could from every other pantheon, and forgot to name their god LMAO.
There are myths aplenty from the ancient Near East that point to a catastrophic flood, and archeological evidence shows there was one around the year 2900BCE. Shortly thereafter is when stories about this event started to appear; the Noah story is at least three layers removed from the originals and was clearly written centuries later.
And, as one would expect from a good game of telephone, these stories get more and more embellished as the centuries progressed. What was a regional flood effecting a particular tribe later becomes a global flood that effected the entire world. And then, even later, all sorts of theobabble gets incorporated into the story.
This actually points to the fatal flaw in the Abrahamic religions: they are predicated on these historical events being factual. Jesus SAID there was a global flood, so it MUST be true!! Adam and Eve MUST be REAL because if they weren't then Jesus had nothing to die for, and that sort of thing. Which is why you have all these believers going to ridiculous lengths to defend these obviously non-sensical stories in their bibles.
Every flood myth stems from a culture that lived in an area prone to flooding, no mountain dwellers ever reported a flood. And flood myths from different parts of the planet are not remotely identical.
As I've said elsewhere, the obvious thing would be for them just to do another rewrite of their books to reconcile them with what we know to be true. Edit for clarity: "them" = Abrahamic religions.
@@alexhajnal107Some necessary edits:
The earth isn't flat.
Stars are not lamps hanging in a firmament up in the atmosphere.
Disease isn't caused by demonic possession and "sin."
Buggery doesn't cause earthquakes and other natural disasters. (This one might be a tough sell since this continues to be a widespread belief among American evangelicals today).
@@britaom3299I think that's an Adam & Steve story, "Did the Earth move for you Steve?"
"Well Adam, something moved!"
More Christian lies! 😐😑
All I heard was that since we found older copies of from this culture than that culture therefore means that one culture copied the story from the other. The obvious problem with this argument is that it doesn’t follow. It could be the case but by no means demonstrates the claim. This should be rather obvious. Years from now they could find an account of sept. 11 in the US and then find a similar account dating back older in Afghanistan. Should we then conclude the US account was plagiarized from the Afghanistan account? According to the argumentation given here the answer would be yes we should and that would be false. Now that you know stop using it and retract it like any honest public speaker would. I know you wouldn’t want to intentionally mislead anyone.
False analogy.
if the tsunami that happened in 2004 CE in Indonesia and the tsunami in Japan in 2011 CE happened in 2004 BCE and 2011 BCE
Due to the lack of reliable sources, many in 2024 CE could have assumed that these events are the same
@@inyobill I’m not arguing from analogy??? I was just giving another example besides the one being argued to show it doesn’t follow.
@@luish1498 exactly. I could think of many possibilities.
I intend to write a book on all the ways we know that the stories in the Bible found their initial inspiration in these elder stories, mostly from Mesopotamia. There are many ways that we know this, many reasons why it is impossible to be the other way around.
Or, this could also mean, the root of ancient religion shared similar fact, proof that we have same origin? I think none of you guys ever thought about that. 😂
If you're claiming that the number of stories from all over the world about floods proves an actual global flood, then no, they have thought about that and it didn't happen. Ancient settlements needed a large source of water in order to exist, so they were build by rivers; these flood regularly so the number of stories is easily explained. It's easy to imagine some ancient story teller had the idea to tell a story about the whole world being flooded by the gods. However, the Egyptian, Chinese and several other ancient civilizations all existed across the timespan in which the flood supposedly took place, and never recorded anything about it. Also, we can tell there never was a global flood, because if there had been, then the world would still be flooded as there's nowhere for all that water to go. It's more plausible that this is simply the kind of fanciful story-telling that led to the myth of the destruction of Atlantis (the Thera eruption).
if every scientific religion had a flood myth then the flood probably happened but it could never be god to them
Its all bullshit, get over it.
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_ReturnInteresting how every culture with a flood myth was a culture near water that periodically flooded. Don't you think so?
There are myths aplenty from the ancient Near East that point to a catastrophic flood, and archeological evidence shows there was one around the year 2900BCE. Shortly thereafter is when stories about this event started to appear; the Noah story is at least three layers removed from the originals and was clearly written centuries later.
And, as one would expect from a good game of telephone, these stories get more and more embellished as the centuries progressed. What was a regional flood effecting a particular tribe later becomes a global flood that effected the entire world. And then, even later, all sorts of theobabble gets incorporated into the story.
This actually points to the fatal flaw in the Abrahamic religions: they are predicated on these historical events being factual. Jesus SAID there was a global flood, so it MUST be true!! Adam and Eve MUST be REAL because if they weren't then Jesus had nothing to die for, and that sort of thing. Which is why you have all these believers going to ridiculous lengths to defend their bibles.
And if you're looking for Biblical confirmation that the Earth floats in space, then look no further than Job 26:7, which reads: "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing."
Then several chapters later in the same book, Job 38:14 has God himself saying that "The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment." So even God thought the earth was flat back then!
@@AronRa If memory serves, it's even worse than that, it was in a documentary, so grain of salt handy, but supposedly there's good evidence to show that it was widely known in the area at the time of jesus that the earth was ball shaped. Christians might well be the original flat earthers.
@@rynther Earth's diameter was accurately measured by Eratosthenes ca. 240 BCE¹. Earlier scholars had already established that the Earth was a sphere though scientific observation. By the 500s BCE this idea was universally accepted; this is before the time that the modern version of Judaism was created (ca. 400 to 200 BCE). So yes, early modern Jews could be seen a the original flat Earthers.
¹ The value he determined matches the value measured in modern times within the margin of error due to uncertainty in what the precise value of the length unit _stadia_ was. That's not to say his methodology was perfect but it was good enough to get the value within 2.4% of the correct value.
I call to ask for time, plenty of time, as much time as it is required for me to prove God exists. I am a psychologist and person of many talents and I claim I have discovered the nature of God, so i am not like anyone else and i know what i am talking about. I would like to have all the time allocated of my telephone call to explain myself. I don't want to debate for now because i want to have for me all the time, it's me who has discovered the nature of God and other vital discoveries that are censored, not you. Do you or don't you want to end the war in the world? The solution is easy and the problem is the problem is wanted. To end the war and other undesirable suffering only the atheist logical fallacy has to be understood. The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheists don't believe God exists and believe God is "sky daddy". Am i right or wrong?. The fallacy is to believe God is what it's not. An example of the innumerable examples of the atheist logical fallacy is the quote by renowned atheist Richard Dawkins "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.". The fallacy is to conclude unsupported with arguments the universe was not created by an intelligent entity because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. It doesn't follow rationally that because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist the universe was not created by an intelligent entity. To know if something exists or not first we must know what is that something. God is the intelligent creator of the universe and the question "does God exist?" means "was the universe created from an intelligent entity?" or "did an intelligent entity decide to create the universe"?. I have developed a program to end atheism with several steps. The first step is to ask oneself "do I want God to exist?" or "do I want the universe was created from a superior intelligent entity?". The first step is to know oneself, what motivates our thought process and decisions. Ask yourself why you want or don't want God to exist. I am not not saying God exists because it is better for you if God exists, I am saying to understand God exists you have to be willing to search for something good for you. Atheists don't search for God because they don't want God to exist and they think God doesn’t exist. What's the point of searching for something you think it doesn't exist and on top of that is bad for you? It is irrational, absurd, ridiculous. The second step is "Is the most emblematic remark of atheism "who created god?" rational or irrational?". The question "who created what is not created?" is a Trojan horse, a trap, the devil deceiving you, a venomous spider web, the talking snake in the Garden of Eden, the Lord of the Rings forged in the fires of the mount of Doom, the ugly Medusa that petrifies who looks at her, the labyrinth of the Minotaur that devours humans, the hatter mad as working all the time. Atheists are deceived, eternally deceived, because when they are explained God exists because not all reality can have a beginning of existence they remark "who created god?" rejecting a valid logical explanation without any arguments. Did you understand the self deception? God is not going to stop existing because atheists reject logic and reality defending an idea without any arguments! Tragically the victims are innocent and vulnerable children that are told what to think instead of how to think rationally.
Can you please use PARAGRAPHS and SENTENCE BREAKS, what we have here is a word salad wall o text. With a hell of lot of assertions and fallacies mixed in.
astrophysics points to a geocentric globe model
No
No it doesn't.
@@johnburn8031 you bet your ass it does, Einstein even wrote it in his book "the evolution of physics"
@@NG-we8uu you do realise that would mean anything over 24 light hours away would have to orbit the Earth faster than light?
Citation needed.
Evolution and creation are both extreme positions. The only difference is time.
Yes extremely right and supported by boundless evidence and extremely wrong based on.(see above)
The _only_ difference?
@@Notalloldpeople bombardier beetle disproves evolution lol
Why are you repeating debunked lies?
The evolution of Bombarder Beetle is well documented.
@@uriituw yes bellend.