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3 Simple Ways to Spot a Fake Morgan Silver Dollar
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2011
- I bought some high quality Morgan Reproductions on eBay that could easily fool an unsuspecting buyer. The last thing I want is for someone to get ripped off, so here are a few things you can do to check your coins after (or preferably before) you buy them...
These are by no means a fool-proof, but here are 3 simple things you can do to check your Morgan Silver Dollars to ensure that they are genuine silver:
1. Weight Test
2. Orientation Test
3. Magnet Test
+RAMKING61 when referring to precious metal we are talking about a Troy ounce which is 31.1grams; not the standard ounce which is 28 Grams
I have a 1889 cc morgan silver dollar. After watching some videos I did the test and it stays stuck to the magnet. I assume it's fake
Yesica Tejada Oh yeah
Jeff Goodman unless it’s such bad condition that you can barley see the date it should not be far off from 26.7 grams
@ai3n10 You got it. Thanks for the comment. If I were you I would weigh it...if you have another Morgan or Peace Dollar you know is real, the scale will read the exact same weight as the 1889 you are concerned about.
If you don't have a scale, a very easy way to find out would be to bring it to a local coin store and ask what they would give you for it. They don't want to buy a fake, so they would use their "expert eye" and let you know if it's a fake. Don't let on that you think it's a fake!
If you balance a real Morgan on the pad of your index finger and tap lightly downward on the rim, it will have a very high, sharp ring to it. Fakes have a very dull sound. You can also compare by dropping a real Morgan (or Peace) dollar a few inches onto a very hard surface. The Morgans have a high ring. Fakes have a dull sound.you. Any fakes I have seen are also quite a bit lighter.
@oldtimefreedom Yes, great point. Like I said, it really surprised me (and frankly scared me) that there were no COPY markings on these...I mean, doesn't that make them counterfeits? How many of these are floating around on eBay listed as geniunes? Not that I ever would, but I could EASILY list one of these and rip someone out of $30.
Thank you for the support. All my best to you!
DENSITY will also be the key: density = mass/volume. Measure the thickness because chinese fake zinc will be thicker.
The formula to calculate the volume of a cylinder is:
v = h * pi * r squared
where
v = volume
h = height (in you case the coin thickness)
r = radius (one-half the diameter)
Density of silver: allmeasures(.)com/Formulae/static/formulae/density/29(.)htm
The new Morgans were 26.73 grams when minted. What is the lightest acceptable weight for a worn one? I have one that is 26.1 g. Is that much loss possible from wear?
fizmath idk about that much unless like not even edges are there that might be fake do the sound test
It's SO much easier to stick to grams.
What's the minimum acceptable weight in grams for a real Morgan?(If you know)
I never knew counterfeit was so prevalent
one way of noticing a fake are the detils around the edge of the coin .
Detils are those little ridges around the rim on the coin . If they are incomplete then this coin is probably counterfeit .
Another quick way is to look at the fields , this is the flat areas on the coin , it is the blank surface of the coin . Now if this area is pebblely or is not smooth , the coin is counterfeit
The use of flipping the coin over doesn't necessarily mean it's a counterfeit . there are some real coins that this happened to and it can be in any position around the clock .
Hi, I have a bunch of Spanish coins from the 1860's that were my Grandfathers and I had ideas of shining them cause they are a bit tarnished. Is this advisable? I've heard from people that it could devalue the con. Is this true?
Yes, only let a pro try to restore them. Don't clean them
Joe Owczarzak
Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it.
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i have a quest i have a coin givin to me by my great grandfather that he found while on a research dig in 1925 from greece its very old n has a man with a beard on it and long hair does anyone know about it or has seen 1?
1923 silver dollar my mother in law has had for thirty five years on my electronic scale.(not sure of the type of scale abreviations.)
412.7 grains.
.8595 ozt
.9435 oz
17.20 dwt
33.75 ct
26.75 gm
I've had a fake one American dollar coin for quite some time now I didn't realise it until now
hey thanks for the video...i had a question....i have 1889 morgan dollar that im nervous isnt real..i did your test...it has no marking of copy that i can see, not magnetic at all...now the only thing is that my coin doesnt look 100% opposite of its reverse slide...its looks shifted very slightly...not real noticeable....from pictures and from what i have been told by my father 9who is a experienced coin collector) that its genuine...any comments or ideas maybe suggestions?
Loved the video. An honest coindealer will not shortchange you. I gave an ike dollar to pay for some coins. Ikes are normally only worth a dollar. But he gave it back saying it was silver and to keep it. still not sure if its silver because its a date range on the bottom of 1776-1976, but this coin dealer I trust.
thanks dude, I bought 4 coins, 1 IKE and three Kennedy, now I know how to test which one is real
Uncirculated coins should have a tolerance of ±1.5 grains, or ± .097 grams. Worn ones can indeed weigh down around 26 grams.
how come these guys don't get in trouble for counterfitting and the liberty dollar folks do??? great vid.
I never knew these were out there, although, I have heard of some Chinese junk going around.
Never felt comfortable with the known circulation of fakes and then getting stuck with any of them while knowing better.
So, I only buy from solid reputable dealers. It's like getting good medicine from the pharmacist or going out in the hood for it, the choice is yours.
Thanx for sharing!
Chinese junk lol u made me laugh 👍😁
i just started collecting and recieved my first morgan dollar. It ways 27.4 grams and 422 grains just a bit on the high side. Are every dollar spot on in weight or will they be a few grain off? if one is worn will it be a bit lighter? i may need to invest in a better scale my dime range from 2.4 to 2.6 in weight. any input or links greatly appreciated.
Selling these coins as real is a good way to find out about the afterlife, not all coin buyers are nerds.
It would have been nice if you had a scale to show the weight difference between real and fake. So many people making videos of "fake silver" without showing proof. Just weigh the coins and you wont get ripped off. BTW, I buy my silver dollars online, from Apmex as well as JM Bullion and ebay and have never gotten a fake silver dollar.
Thank you for sharing your advice! Very informative and a great public service! I have a few Morgans I just received and I have posted a new video for all to see! Thank you for sharing!
I bought the 'Fisch' Silver Dollar tool, as I buy a large amount of Silver Dollars. You cannot fool this tool if it is not made of 90% silver. It is pricey, but pays for itself. To date I have only bought one fake, a 1924 Peace Dollar which failed both the Fisch Detector and digital scale test. You could just tell it was fake the minute you picked it up. Ebay dealer promptly refunded me, and I kept checking his listings to make sure he relist.
What is the lightest acceptable weight in grams for a Morgan?
What is the weight range?
(I may have a scale issue)
Is there a way to prove how old the silver coin is, sort of a "carbon dating" analogy for silver?
@Petros7373 ok like my father told me when i first accuried it is that you can tell very easy a fake morgan from a real one (he had 250 with a fake one in the middle) thats how come he says he can tell...also i a lil less worried that its a morgan and more worried that the Mintmark was added
A simple test is the "ring" test; if you drop a silver coin on a hard surface it has a very distinct ring; all others, not the same.
I have one but is not stock to the magnet
@Petros7373 And whatever you do, if they tell you it's a reproduction but they will buy it from you anyway, DO NOT sell it! An honest dealer would have no need to buy a fake.
You can get scales reasonably!
i think the biggest test of all is that any Morgan dollar coin that is magnetic is NOT REAL , whether the weight is the correct one or not...or if the coin is not marked as fake, if it is magnetic it is FAKE!!!, i have a question...if a coin is not marked as reproduction then would it be a counterfeited one and therefore against the law? how can anybody sell them on e-bay?
Thanks! I just bought a few Morgans the other day. They are real, but this was really helpful!
Morgans are weighed in GRAMS, not tenths of an ounce.
@acuriousbeast No problem...thank YOU!
Buy yourself a set of scales, and weigh every coin as soon as you get home. Only a few dealers are dishonest, but most are not. If you ever get a fake coin, call their shop ASAP. They will honor your receipt, it's a very serious offence selling counterfeit coins. Once you deal in silver for a few years, you'll know by the weight, lustre and the sound. It's your money, not theirs. Always keep all receipts in a safe fire box. Good luck, and may you find a rare coin one day soon :)
I'm new to buying silver, I bought two silver American Eagles and each of them waay-31 .8 grams. I'm thinking they are fake. Do you have any real way of knowing if an American Eagle coin is fake
Do the drop test on a table.a sharp ponging sound means it's real.clanking sound,fake.
That weight is about right for the coin you have. The silver eagle is an altogether different coin than the Morgan Dollar and each weigh differently.
@JP5466 While it is always safer to buy from reputable sources, ebay is still a good source for coins. You just have to make sure you know what you are looking for and what you are looking at. Almost all fake silver coins including these can still be determined fake just by looking at them. They are not perfect and will have some type of difference in lettering or something. Also if a coin you bought is a fake, you should be able to get a refund from the seller or ebay.
A Morgan or Peace Dollar will weigh .77 of an ounce. A worn one will weigh a bit less, but not a significant amount.
THEY MAKE GOOD BROOCHES
@ai3n10 weigh them first. morgan dollar weighs 26.7 grams the fake one's usually weighs 23 grams or less. second measure their diameter, third do a ping test. my advice is that if you want a morgan dollar buy those with cartwheel effect. fake morgan's don't have any cartwheel effect.
Great video, Thanks
i dont understand how these things are worth what you pay for i guess if there os a market for it but,,,,,
Get a red book look up the coin it will have the exact weight and diameter of the coin!
I am experienced numismatist. First, where did you buy the coin? That is your best way of finding out if it is more than likely a fake or not. If you are buying from Gainesville Coins, I can guarantee you that they are using Sigma Six error margins and you have a .00001% chance of picking up a fake. That would be 1 in a billion chance. In fact you would have had a better chance of winning that big lottery worth over 500 million a few months ago than picking up a fake if you buy from trusted Ds.
I have a 2004 nickel without. In God we trust. Trying to find out if anyone has reported this . If you heard of this thank you in advance for reply.
you are missing something, silver is weighed in troy ounces which is 31.1g
most fake coins may look worn .The best method is to buy a acid test equipment learn to use it fairly cheap if your gonna buy silver or gold alot for 35 bucks at the most get all 4 testers and a stoned an get a file if your going to buy alot of silver coins get a cheap hand weight scale and a magnet a10x power loupe magnifying glass total investment around !00 bucks saving are priceless you wil recover the cost in a few buys of silver.
@Petros7373 Get a 2nd or 3rd opinion.
Out of curiosity I wanted to see if I could find fake morgans on ebay being sold as fakes, and I did! The seller is "szdepot88", from Hong Kong, here is how they are titled, "Replica Morgan Coin US 1879 Dollar Gr8 For Magic Tricks".
Pictures show the coin does not have any replica stamp on it, front or back. But hey, what is the problem? It is just for magic tricks!
Um....a Morgan is supposed to weigh 26.73 grams according to Red Book.
Converting 26.73 grams to ounces is .9428 ounces.
Unless I'm missing something...
Awesome video! I liked and subbed, thanks for sharing and Keep up the Fantastic work! :D
Meaning if the coin is get the magnet its fake
I have one coin 1803 silver coin
Also, you have to remember a lot of fakes are made of real silver. That is what the Chinese do. They will make a Silver Morgan of valuable dates and then just cast it out of real silver. That is why you MUST always buy from a trusted dealer like GainesvilleCoins, BullionDirect, FideliTrade, SilverSaver, Tulving, Perth Mint, GoldMoney, etc etc. If you aren't collecting just for silver content then you must buy from one of these sources I named above. You can trust their distribution channels.
What was the seller called
I have this 1885, like almost 20 years ago. Looks real and feel heavy.
If the seller has a money back guarantee within a month or so then your probably getting the real thing now I got one a1884 o mint mark it appears not to be fake ! They say the weight it should be 26.73 mine is 26.78 ! It’s AU to U the magnet don’t stick to it and everything else looks good I just hope that this post was 11 years ago they could be better at counterfeiting now days .
@ai3n10 AWESOME! Thanks for the update. So happy for you :)
Great video awesome very interesting about the morgan dollar!
Excellent video!
Good info. THanks for posting!
Cheers bro, good informative video.
Scares the shit outa me though. The fakes look great :(
i spent 200.00 on a morgan and it was to light to be real :( what shoul i do because i dont want to pass it on
take it back obviously
Always buy PGC certified.
🙏 Thanks for informative video 🙏
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wish i could find 2 magnetic morgan silver dollars, i live in uk.
Why
Oh, and the price for a single fake is $3.96. No wonder these are arriving in mass quantities, I am sure there are plenty of people buying these in bulk here in the US, in hopes they will be able to sell them on the street for 30 bucks a pop. This makes me angry. That said, these particular fakes do not look convincing. What is really scary are the fakes made from 90% silver, especially when they have been stamped on the original die the US mint sold years ago!
मेरे पास एसएससी क्या है मुझे सेल करना है प्लीज आप मुझसे कांटेक्ट कीजिए
i have not ripped of by fakes yet
@SGTbull07 Thank YOU sir...very much appreciated.
Informative!
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Silver Falkonand
so sorry you got ripped man, that sucks. It sad what people will do to make a quick buck. they lose in the end because no one will want to deal with them. if i find out someone sold me a coin when they know its fake, i will spread the word about that thief and maybe even try to get a picture to expose the thief. i hate it when honest people are victims like this. Well at least you learned a little sleight-of-hand and next time you know what to look for.
petros, chk out the work i'm doing on testing these morgans/peace dollars. Keep up the good fight. Hate this Chinese junk coming in.
@acadamiacs You got it...thanks for the post!
Garoulady that Ike is probably 40 percent silver like all of them except 1978
Balance the fakes of one of your finger and tap a penny against the side of them.
Listen to the ping that sounds, and compare that to the real silver coin
मेरे पास ऐसे सिक्के हैं मुझे सेल करना है प्लीज आप मुझसे कांटेक्ट कीजिए
So there is no way to spot a fake on eBay?
On eBay through China 20 fake Morgan s are $40.00!!
how did you get ten morgans for 20$???
Peace N' Good Vibes fake?
GREAT NEWS: turns out my 1889 cc coin is real and that because the con dealer i saw had 2...they said its easy to tell a real one from a fake one and right away the dealer said it was rea...and it probably the BIGGEST coin dealer in Denver
THATS WHY I GUIT DEALING WITH COINS
I have bought fakes on ebay and ufferup. It hearts.
मेरे पास ऐसे सिक्के हैं मुझे सेल करना है
Dead right. All of my Morgans weigh exactly .94 ounces.
Another warning, don't get cheated like I did. I bought 5-one gram silver pcs for $15.00.
when i buy junk silver i always make an acid test,ping test,weight test an so on,i know with the acid test it takes off the numismatic value who cares its junk silver !!! so with that done i'm sure that what i bought it's the real deal.
I have real silver coin 1901 "o" MORGAN ONE DOLLAR COIN
Get youre money's back and cash them at bank
मेरे पास ऐसे सिक्के हैं मुझे कॉल करना है
I have some videos I've done on spotting fakes also, check them out! Subbed
i look @ coins all day for living... i just spot one the other day; believe it or not, it was fake BUT actually the weight was little MORE than a regular morgan !!!???
watch out silver brothers....chinas
Garoulady
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Magnet test
Petros, I would be afraid to put a video on RUclips saying that you bought copy coins that did not have the word "copy" on them. These government guys might come and get us...I mean you...for owning illegal copy coins that do not contain the word "copy" even if bought without knowledge that they would not have the word on them. They are pretty good for the price!!
If he stamps the word COPY into them,then he should be ok. By federal law all replica coins are supposed to have COPY on them. It falls under the Hobby Protection Act.
Rescue294 The coins I bought on Ebay claimed the word "Copy" would be on the replica coin in the description, with a picture of one that had "Copy" on them.
If possible stamp them. That way you don't get in any trouble. Thanks for posting.