The M113 had the Chrysler 413ci gas engine in it when it was first introduced to the military.It replaced the M79 and I was on active duty in Germany in 1961 when that happened.Ron G
We in the British Army have had some of our old 432 APC's upgraded from Mk2 to Mk3 and it is called the Bulldog. New engine, better suspension and we done away with the steering levers as well and you should see it go!!!!!
the canadians got the m113a3 just now? america got ours in 1989! the ones i used overseas looked soooooooo crappy compared to those brand new canadian ones.
Thank you for refining your comment please note Canada defense do not spend 10% of the USA. Cannot expect the best and latest. And on a foot note it seem our equipment now are in real need or replacing in this economy I think be hard to be done :(
The m113a3 we are using now are even more survivable than the a1's back in Nam. They have more powerful engines, better suspensions, more internal volume, protective spall liners, and external fuel tanks. Easier to drive too.
The M113 is actually a pretty amazing vehicle even though the Army uses mostly the LAV III. There are alot of places that the M113 can go that the heavier LAV III cannot.
Then feel free to call it whatever you want. The a-10 is officially known as the thunderbolt II. But as I'm sure you know that everyone and there mother calls it the Warthog.
@katey1dog It's not called the Gavin. The only one who's calling it that is the madman Mike Sparks, known around here as dynmicpara. Even if they completely redesign it, it'll still suffer from being an M113. Even the Norwegian upgrades (Widely held to be the best ones) are still considered to be quite far from ideal.
Well the question is what else is better? A shitty LAV III derivative that if you have steel core AP shells in a 7.62*39 will go right through the wheel wells (stryker)? Or light crappy boxes that get blown up all the time because they do not have enough armor to withstand anything(homvees)? Or top heavy trucks visible from far away that get stuck in mud, are roadbound and also cannot withstand RPG-7s, and have been known to roll over into rivers and drown their crews(MRAP)? So what is better?
APC are great troop movement until you have a bad hang over darn there terrible :) Maybe new technology could bring this old work horse back with better mine detections.Oh why Oh why is here no money going to that purpose ? Well of to upload Canada day greeting from Afghanistan.
BlackBat42 would have you believe that the M113 armed with some kind of gun is the king of the battlefield and that missiles are BAD BAD BAD Face it, the next armored force...or infantry force...that squares off against the US is going to go down in a rain of multi-purpose cluster munitions. This aluminum coffin (which can't even shrug off 14.5mm DShK rounds, forget a stacked IED/EFP or 30 year or more old RPG-7 round) won't even be carrying the company mess hall, much less entering *combat*.
Really, have you personally ridden in each one and had to deal with each one in a combat situation? Hmm, doubt it. It'd be nice if people could think for themselves for once and not believe the hundreds of lies they are told every day.
So you are comparing it to what? Anything the US has that is better? If you mean the stryker or MRAPs or humvees are better, I suggest you need to wake up.
I love the RWS mounted on a STF-PINTAL support, waooo, uninterrupted fire power. Add to that a pivoting capability....awesome!!!
The M113 had the Chrysler 413ci gas engine in it when it was first introduced to the military.It replaced the M79 and I was on active duty in Germany in 1961 when that happened.Ron G
love this vehicle, fun to drive, can cross most things and is super easy to maintaine and fix when broken
We in the British Army have had some of our old 432 APC's upgraded from Mk2 to Mk3 and it is called the Bulldog. New engine, better suspension and we done away with the steering levers as well and you should see it go!!!!!
I was a M113 operator while in the US Army in the early 80s. Fun vehicle. I would like to play with the newer versions!
M113 is the most produced most modified and best apc ever built.
the canadians got the m113a3 just now? america got ours in 1989!
the ones i used overseas looked soooooooo crappy compared to those brand new canadian ones.
Thank you for refining your comment please note Canada defense do not spend 10% of the USA.
Cannot expect the best and latest.
And on a foot note it seem our equipment now are in real need or replacing in this economy I think be hard to be done :(
yep thats what u get with over 50 years of proving its awsomeness
The m113a3 we are using now are even more survivable than the a1's back in Nam.
They have more powerful engines, better suspensions, more internal volume, protective spall liners, and external fuel tanks.
Easier to drive too.
The M113 is actually a pretty amazing vehicle even though the Army uses mostly the LAV III. There are alot of places that the M113 can go that the heavier LAV III cannot.
hahaha i have noticed the same at the greek m113 we were repairing at technical force...
Then feel free to call it whatever you want.
The a-10 is officially known as the thunderbolt II. But as I'm sure you know that everyone and there mother calls it the Warthog.
@katey1dog
It's not called the Gavin. The only one who's calling it that is the madman Mike Sparks, known around here as dynmicpara.
Even if they completely redesign it, it'll still suffer from being an M113. Even the Norwegian upgrades (Widely held to be the best ones) are still considered to be quite far from ideal.
Yes, the A10 is known as the Warthog. By its pilots.
The M113 isn't called "Gavin" by anybody except a few loons on the internet.
I agree it seem more money is spen on them and less on prevention of IED.
Well the question is what else is better? A shitty LAV III derivative that if you have steel core AP shells in a 7.62*39 will go right through the wheel wells (stryker)? Or light crappy boxes that get blown up all the time because they do not have enough armor to withstand anything(homvees)? Or top heavy trucks visible from far away that get stuck in mud, are roadbound and also cannot withstand RPG-7s, and have been known to roll over into rivers and drown their crews(MRAP)?
So what is better?
I was wondering aboot that.
APC are great troop movement until you have a bad hang over darn there terrible :) Maybe new technology could bring this old work horse back with better mine detections.Oh why Oh why is here no money going to that purpose ? Well of to upload Canada day greeting from Afghanistan.
BlackBat42 would have you believe that the M113 armed with some kind of gun is the king of the battlefield and that missiles are BAD BAD BAD
Face it, the next armored force...or infantry force...that squares off against the US is going to go down in a rain of multi-purpose cluster munitions. This aluminum coffin (which can't even shrug off 14.5mm DShK rounds, forget a stacked IED/EFP or 30 year or more old RPG-7 round) won't even be carrying the company mess hall, much less entering *combat*.
They still use the funny Detroit 2 stroke ? I didnt know they still make them.. In the Army, they dont care about Tier 3 emissions ;)
Really, have you personally ridden in each one and had to deal with each one in a combat situation? Hmm, doubt it. It'd be nice if people could think for themselves for once and not believe the hundreds of lies they are told every day.
leopard 2 and puma > all
The Turks totally redesigned the Gavin. It's virtually a new vehicle. Did the Canadians follow their principles?
No such thing as a Gavin. LOL
How about more plates at the machine guns to proteck our solders...Engineer who made M-113 where is your brain?
So you are comparing it to what? Anything the US has that is better? If you mean the stryker or MRAPs or humvees are better, I suggest you need to wake up.
check out my video of me driving one in cfb borden