My mom and step dad owned some vacation property. Their neighbors didn't really like them. So they claimed that a tree on my mom's property needed to be cut down because it was a hazard. So mom complied and had it cut down. Then the neighbor said the tree was actually on their property so they should get the keep the wood from it. (after mom and step dad had it cut down) They also said that step dad was parking on their property and needed to stop. So mom and step dad got tired of it and had the land surveyed. Turned out that the tree was on mom and step dad's property and that their actual property went right up to the neighbor's house. So neighbor lost about 5 ft of property. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Same kind of thing happened where I used to live. Backside Neighbors got pissy about property lines insisting we were driving on their driveway. We had the lines looked at and found out we were graciously giving them some of our driveway the entire time. So we fenced in our side and reduced them to a very cramped (and long) driveway while we got one that was more roomy
I have quit jobs with for reasons unrelated to the quality of management. I’ve even quit jobs with good managers. Unfortunately it’s less impactful to say “Reduce attrition by X% by not being a dick.”
I’ve not seen that one before, but how true. That should be the screen-saver for every manager/supervisor’s computer, from the bottom to the top of every company.
It's called "The USA" or "America." Early on, I worked jobs that said you were given 2 breaks and lunch. Use the bathroom then or clock out and don't come back. Burger King was the absolute worst. Even on breaks, we were not allowed to sit down and were warned not to abuse time on the toilet just to get off our feet. And yes, they did check. They also paid 1hour to close, but it always took at least 3hours after the doors were locked.
My sister used to work as a Bar manager of a rather large pub (early 2000's), she got the job by being good with money and keeping a level head. Undercover licensing officials and undercover police turned up all the time, because overserving and serving underage customers is a problem within the industry. She always said they were easy to spot as they were constantly looking around them. While normal patrons usually kept to themselves and rarely looked up from their drinks or friend group.
I worked for a global engineering consultancy for nearly 30 years, and had the opportunity to observe and work for a lot of managers. Most were competent. One of them I would have taken a bullet for, and another I would have put the bullet INTO. The experience allowed me to get a very good idea of what makes for good and bad managing. Fast forward, and I'm now in my tenth year of working at a small second-run movie theatre -- a completely different line of work -- and I've been its manager for about three of those years. I tell my crew that I won't ask them to do anything I won't do myself; and I back up my words by taking on even the most horrible of tasks. If we are running particularly late shows (say, those that finish after midnight), I'll make sure whoever is closing has a ride home (if not, I'll personally pay for a cab or Uber). I'll often come up with a list of tasks to be done while the shows are running, and I'll let my co-worker pick the tasks he/she wants to do, and I take the rest. For efforts and actions beyond the call of duty I'll provide some small reward (like their choice of large candy, paid for by me). I take a personal interest in their off-job lives, as most of them are students in high school or university (I'm 66 by the way, so a LITTLE bit older than them). I want each of my crew members to feel mentored, led by example, and protected from bad customers (nobody abuses my staff without consequences). And I do all this (and so much more) for just a few dimes over minimum wage, and zero benefits (unless you count free movies and popcorn). When each crew member finishes his/her time working for us, I wish them best of luck and hope they've left the job with some very good skills, a healthy bank account, and a strong start to a successful career in their chosen field. I don't have a university degree, but I've studied a lot, observed a lot, questioned a lot, and remain open to improving my management technique. I should mention also that I'm not a pushover -- I won't even take crap from the owner or the district manager, and I've kicked out more than just a few troublemakers. I guess it helps that I'm 6'2" and well over 200 pounds, and can turn into the toughest SOB in the flick of an eyelash.
Story 4: I'm surprised that the club lasted that long. Like, you'd think that after so much legal trouble, the club would learn their lesson, but I guess when you have an egomaniac that denies ever being wrong running the place (sort of), it would just have to end this way. Like seriously, they even got their license revoked *once!* That *SHOULD'VE* been the wake-up call!
I hope that the owner filed for divorce, and that part of spousal support was for Karen to reimburse him for lost income since she was the direct cause of the final strike against the club.
You'd think so but to the Egomaniacs, ALL their Life's Problems are ALWAYS the fault of someone else, NEVER because of their actions so why should they change their behaviour WHEN THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG? They don't tend to get that Wake-Up Call until everyone else tells them to Fuck Off, they're now alone and something they do Bites them in the Ass and they can't blame anyone else because there's no one else to blame...except the person in the mirror that is... 😄😁😆😅😂🤣
At my first job, we had a manager similar to Story 3. He demanded EVERYBODY in the kitchen crew ban together to get a certain appetizer out.. Ignoring the fact it was a weekend dinner rush at a popular sports bar, and only the ONE person on that particular food station was actually required for the task. He did not care. All fryers racked, all patties stacked, all wings down, IF [he] SEES A SINGLE THING OUT BEFORE [nachos or some shit akin to that], IT'LL BE A LOOOONG NIGHT. In conclusion, we all stood around during the eight minutes it took our quite stoned and _very_ petty coworker to send out the two minute dish. Anybody who works the line knows eight minutes is equivalent to an atomic devastation for our ticket times. Glad we could all ban together as a team, though, and get these nachos out before the 20 orders preceding them. 💀 Sometimes I miss being a cook, but thankfully managers who progress by way of default are in abundance, so there's always entertainment.
I recently had some woman come into my animal clinic claiming she was the wife of the owner. One of the vet techs came into my office telling me that my Wife was there. The thing you need to understand is my beloved Wife passed away in 2019. I came boiling out of the office yelling 'Don't let her get near you! She's a zombie!" I took one look at this nutjob, and told her to leave before I call the Police. I've never seen a Land Whale move that quick.
That is the most original way I've read to diffuse and deal with the Karen. I would have referred to her as a vampire and asked if there was any garlic around or a crucifix. As for your wife, I'm very sorry that she passed. You have my condolences
Story 3: Steve made a classic shite manager mistake. He assumed his employee was either lying or wrong and gave really stupid orders on that assumption and all because he didn't want to say "Sorry, Ma'am. We don't have any more." At most he should have double checked himself to see if OP had been mistaken and then told Karen they were out.
I bet an employee getting fired for following the law also had something to do with the bar being permanently shut down even if it wasn't officially stated.
The muffin story reminds me of a story of my own when I worked for the Colonel. It was when we came back after Covid and it was a reduced menu. A guy asks for a burger with a particular BBQ sauce that they used for wraps but we didn't have any. So I tell him and he tells me (he didn't even ask) to go back round and ask, so I do that and loudly ask "do we have any BBQ sauce?" My co-worker realising why I was shouting says really loudly that it was stupid to even ask since I already knew we didn't. Went back round with a smug smile and told him we don't.
I owned a bar for a few years while I was a law enforcement officer so I made sure we obeyed the State Liquor Laws and I would get a big laugh when someone I cut off would say please serve me anyway and no one would know and I would say but I do while showing my badge. They would shut up pretty quick and find a ride home or I would call them a cab.
Story 3 made me think of a story I heard from a lady years ago. She used to own a cafe in the small town where I lived at the time, and a local merchant always came in and made impossible demands on her (in fairness, he wasn't really a "Karen"; he just liked to give her a hard time). One day he came in when it was busy and demanded that she give him a hamburger to go, and he wanted to right it then. This wasn't a fast-food restaurant, and she explained that it would take a few minutes to prepare it. He insisted he didn't have a few minutes; he needed it right away. Being a good businesswoman, she aimed to please, so she gave him a raw hamburger. She said he never pulled that stunt again!
As a land surveyor I love dealing with land disputes. It can be so gratifying to help a person dealing with a neighbor being rude about where the line is and what belongs to them. Having to tell a clients neighbor that they were encroaching 5 feet with their fence while they screamed at me for trespassing was still well worth it. The grin on the ladies face when we showed her she was in fact correct and there were now property markers at each corner to prove it brought me joy.
If you ever are in a situation where you need to hire a manager, when you speak to the reference they provide, ask if it’s possible to speak to a worker who have worked FOR this manager. This will give you a way better insight in to how they behave towards their workers, as they will more likely have a day to day experience with them and not just read the reports of what their team have accomplished.
True. On the flip side, I recall a director who refused to let us give a poor evaluation to an associate. According to the boss the associate was so helpful and responsive when the boss called for anything! Never mind that the associate was known to sit in her cubicle spending hours planning her date outfits and doing personal shit like writing checks for her bills! (1990s) The boss was an idiot. Of course the associate jumped through hoops...for the boss!
I like this suggestion. But how does this fall within the law preventing employers from giving a bad review. Can the worker speak freely or are they subject to the same law? In which case how can the employer ensure that the worker will follow the law? If the worker can speak freely then this is great, otherwise its a big risk for the previous employer or wont have any benefit because the worker cant be honest about a bad boss.
@@michaelw1096 I think it divides like this A review is a mandatory written document handed to the Employee when they leave a job. A refererence is an optional spoken assessment of the Employee which is not covered by law, as long as there is no slander.
Exactly. It's also amazing how many come fresh from college and become management with little to no experience in a full time job, or any job. How the hell can you tell me what to do if you don't know how to do it yourself?
Love the third story. Only thing I can't decide is who is the bigger moron, Steve or Karen? Guess I'll give it to Steve since she did play a part in getting him fired. But I'm still laughing at the fact that she thought they were in the back making her muffins.
Story 2--I don't think Mama was a Karen; I think she heard her son's side of the story and believed him. Once she saw the other side of it (the financial side) she accepted it. I think it is the boy who was being taught a lesson.
Ya, sounds like the kid got pissed they weren't gonna get what they wanted and did what any bratty kid would do. Granted, the Karen Mom also tried to get OP to pay for stuff that wasn't even used.
Nah. That mom knew her kid left early. At a minimum she should have called OP to get more info rather than declaring OP's family robbed her kid. She was a typical Karen.
I disagree, I think that given that the other mother tried to charge the OP for things that weren't even used at the lemonade/bake stand. That makes her a Karen.
Back in the '70s I worked at a TV shop. Our sales clerk would tie our only phone line up, for hours with personal calls. I had a spare chassis for a tap recorder, so I hooked it and a speaker to the line, so everyone working in the service area heard everything. She complained to the owner, who simply asked "What are you saying on my phone that you shouldn't be?" One of the things she was doing was telling her girlfriends "All the men here are fighting to date me!" We called her 'Sweat hog'. She was barely five feet tall and close to 300 pounds of nasty tempered crap. One day a tech was setting up a new color picture tube. e had the lights out in his area. The shop had a floor furnace in the doorway between sales and service. She would turn the thermostat s high as it would go, then stand on it. She sweated so bad that the place smelled like a poorly maintained gym. She did it that day, and he jumped up, yelling, OMG, the sun has burnt out!" She started chasing him. He was over six feet tall and quite thin. It looked like a bowling ball chasing a pin. She would brag about being 'feminine and delicate'. She would pick up color console TVs to put them into the sales are to watch sop operas. One day were were rearranging the shop. She yelled, I need to use the restroom, as she lifted a full, four drawer file cabinet to get past us.
@@audreyricci6383 Lawrence J. Peter came up with the thesis, thus the name, though a guy named Hull wrote much of the text of the book, _The Peter Principle_ .
Story 5: All of this over a few minutes in the bathroom. If you're gonna explode like a volcano over just a couple minutes, you need to get off your high horse. I love the irony of how Karen was basically lazy and incompetent while getting mad at a hardworking OP for using the bathroom for a few minutes
I used to work as a paramedic in an emergency department. One busy night, I tried to take a few minutes to go pee; however, my department phone rang as soon as I had sat down. It was my charge nurse. "Where are you?" I put the phone by the toilet and flushed. 🚽🧻🤣
SilverFlight01 - Pretty common to for some places to fire "up" to get rid of an incompetent person in a place if they think a worker like that will be a problem if they actually try to fire them. Boss's nephew, wife, etc. They either get promoted, or eliminate the position.
Decades ago I was working as a contracted cdl (class a license at that time) truck driver for a military freight handling company. The truck I was stuck with was an old GMC day cab that had long before seen better days. I began bringing my own tools to work to try keeping it running. One day I simply drove it up the ramp into the warehouse to tighten the fan belts, which were slipping badly. While I was up on top the engine leaning over in an attempt to loosten the necessary bolts, the boss comes over and asks what I'm doing, so I told him. He then proceeds to then tell me that he thinks that I should be doing that on my own time. So, I proceeded to grab my tools and put them away, back the truck out and park it, and just go sit at my designated desk , never touching the truck again. A few weeks later I bought my own truck and left that clown house. A few weks later I happened to be in that area making a delivery, so I stopped by to see who took my place driving. Those idiots took a guy from the warehouse who, while knowing (sorta) how to drive the truck, did not have the license necessary to do the job. As I said, clowns.
When ya gotta go, ya gotta go Karen. How would you like to be interrupted by a call on the intercom when you are in the middle of "taking care of business" on the🚽?
In the last story, the "use the side of your house for advertising" thing was playing nice. If they wanted to play hardball, they could have demanded that the homeowner remove the offending structure. I. e., the house.
Story 3: karma is a b word and the manager deserve it for so bad at his job. Story 4: this is why you don’t fire the one person who keeps your business alive.
Hahaha! My daughter did a charity bake sale (a few years ago now). We had a Karen wanting, not only to buy what my daughter had in her sale, but “You need to make me 2 dozen more for tomorrow, because I’m having a party!” (Oh, and at the junior bake sale price!) “I’m sorry Madame, but I’m going to have to charge the full price, because the charity sale is only today.” Rolling her eyes, “uhh, watever, I don’t care!” And she signed it over. Only…I’m the pastry chef for a 3* Michelin star restaurant….. but because it was in writing, my daughter got A LOT for her charity….. and the woman protested, but couldn’t fight it! Top score for the children’s hospice! Edit: if you’re a total b****, and you treat children like s***, what you sign is legally binding! Edit 2: Karen was EXTREMELY wealthy, and the money she paid was a drop in her ocean (but it was something she needed to explain to her tight-fisted husband!) Several children can now spend their last days in comfort and care, without the weight on their parents. RIP to so many brave little souls.
With the kids story I doubt the Mum is a Karen because if she was no way would she have paid the $23 dollars. My guess is the kid spun her a story and when it dawned on her the truth she just gave the OP the money to teach her kid a lesson.
@@gijanine3701 - Did she in either case? You only have OP to believe in regards to what she did or didn't use and lets face it OP's are biased towards their own version of events. As to knowing if her kid left early or not - again who knows what her child told her. My point is that if she was a Karen in the classic sense she would have whined and complained and no way does the $23 get paid - so if she isn't a Karen in the classic sense then that opens up the very real possibility that her child told her that the OP family had kept all the money and not done very much work. Given the money was seemingly paid without any screaming or much in the way of issue and we dont have any other context saying she was problematic I'm guessing that she's probably just a normal person who got the wrong end of the stick and when she realised that acted normally and gave the other woman some money to cover the rightful expenses. So her kid is entitled (lets face it all kids are entitled) but I dont really see from the info given that the Mum is and I think the description Karen has been thrown around a bit too liberally here.
@@alphaomega7191lol. So call op a liar. From that point the story doesn't matter at all. Why comment about a story that doesn't matter? Why comment on a story if which you don't believe some of the main points? The ibbicent until proven guilty diatribe means that unless you can prove that op lied about something we have to assume he didn't.
PEOPLE LISTEN UP: when it comes to managers and workers: I was a lieutenant in the U.S. Army. Let me give you some advice. There is a difference between responsibility and task. If you are not the manager, then you have tasks to perform. You do NOT, in general, have responsibilities (other than is obvious--such as not pounding the crud out of customers, et. al.). The MANAGER (and maybe, just maybe, some assistant managers) have responsibilities. You have TASKS to perform. It is THEIR responsibility to see that certain things are done; it is your task to do them. The difference is all the difference in the world! Make damn sure you understand the difference! When a soldier got shot during a training exercise we were doing, it came to light that he had mistakenly taken a clip of live ammunition off of a live-fire range. The sergeants had the task of ensuring that he handed in seven magazines (his ammo pouches could only hold six, but the SOP for infantry was to give out 210 rounds, so they handed out one extra clip to each soldier for the live fire exercise. Since it was not permissible to place that in his rifle before the exercise began--due to safety protocols, he put it into his cargo pocket (side pocket on his trousers). When he was checked out (he had not been able to go through the exercise due to time constraints), the sergeants took the clips in his ammo pouches. The lieutenant who was in charge of the range was forced to resign his commission. Yes, it was the task of the sergeants to take seven clips of ammo from each soldier, but it was the RESPONSIBILITY of the lieutenant to ensure that the sergeants did that. He probably had not paid attention to what had been done during the distribution of the ammo, thus did not realize that such a mistake was possible. If he did, he did not ensure that the sergeants frisked each soldier for clips of live ammunition. The soldier in question had rejoined active service recently and was not used to the difference in weight of live versus blank ammunition (blanks are filled with gunpowder only, not metal, thus are lighter). The soldier who got shot during the blank ammunition exercise recovered fully, so don't worry too much about that. However, try to understand the difference between responsibility and task. If your boss claims you have a responsibility to do something; consider if you are actually being paid commensurately. If you are not an exempt employee (in other words a professional, thus exempt from most EEOC labor laws, since you are salaried) then you are unlikely to have ANY responsibilities. The manager is only allowed to tell you that you are responsible for accomplishing a set of tasks. However, it is the manager's responsibility that the tasks be performed, and performed to standards. If the manager has not ensured that you are properly trained, given the proper equipment, time, work environment, etc. then you should not be held responsible for failed tasks. If you are threatened for bad or incomplete work, you need to consider if the manager gave you the proper ability to accomplish the job. If not, then take it up with your manager's manager. Let me reiterate. IF YOU WERE NOT GIVEN THE ABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THE JOB AND YOUR MANAGER BLAMES YOU, TELL YOUR MANAGER'S MANAGER--NO MATTER WHAT! If it is the owner who blames you, take it up with EEOC.
@@TwoStacks217 I was green to gold. I was a split-option (in college) trained medic in the reserves. I entered OCS after I graduated, because I chose to serve as a thank you to my country for Pell Grants, NDSL loans, etc. (not required, but I did it anyways). So I was enlisted before I was a commissioned officer. I did my drills (and summer deployments, since I returned from AIT in time) and was promoted up to E-4, all before I entered OCS.
This is something that everyone needs to learn. I only really understood this fairly recently. At the bookstore I work in, I was in line for a promotion, jumped through all their hoops, took on extra work, etc. Then, even though I was promised the position, I got passed over at the last minute. They still expected me to do the extra work I had taken on, including overseeing training. I told my GM and the other management no when they brought me the info on a batch of new hires. They were baffled and tried to remind me that this was my responsibility and I told them that I was regular staff, they didn't give me a promotion and I wouldn't be getting paid extra, so no, it wasn't my responsibility. The only responsibility I have is to show up, complete tasks that are in my employment summary and not take a swing at rude customers. I offered to consult with then on training as a private contractor, but that they'd have to pay my fees(I pulled a number out of thin air, just making a point). One of the managers got pissed, but the other 3 took the L. A lot of us that have worked there awhile have been friends outside of work for a few years and we have an agreement not to let our personal relationships interfere with work, but it can become awkward in these situations, but it also means that no one can really treat each other as faceless drones that can be treated however. Because of this, I knew I wouldn't get fired or written up for my refusal and during the back and forth, I got to tell then I'd be scaling back what I do there because I read through what was expected of me in my current position and that I wasn't taking on their responsibilities unless I was going to be promoted and properly compensated for it.
When it comes to incompetent people getting to manager positions, there are a few ways it can happen. One is the Peter principle: you do your job well and keep getting promoted until you reach the point that you can't do well, and then get stuck there. Another is favoritism/nepotism: getting the job due to knowing the right people or being related to the right people. A third way is being good at selling yourself (and taking credit for others' work). They often manage to stay in management positions because the people below them tend to take on some of the responsibilities just so they can get their own jobs done. I learned from experience that I'm a better follower than leader, so I turn down management positions when they're offered to me. The pay raise isn't worth the stress.
A little story for you all. I live in a small town. The local bar owner is not the smartest person around. He has anger issues as well. Anyway, he was planning on having a popular local band come play one Saturday night. He wanted big profits, so he calls the Sherriff's dept. Tells them don't drive by the bar that night it scares his customers. The Sherriff's dept laughs and said we will drive by if we wish. The bar owner then calls the state police and tell them the same thing. The state police told him they would not drive by that night, not to worry. Saturday night rolls around the band starts at 9. About 10:30 the state police sneak into town from a back road. They set up a block away from the bar on both sides. As each car leaves the bar, they tail it looking for signs of impairment. They end up busting half of the customers, the bar's cook and most of the staff. Had the owner kept his mouth shut he would not have turned everyone in. What did he think they would do? LOL
Last: In my country we have a popular saying, "Bull, come duck me" meaning many people actually invite trouble with their own deeds! That neighbor AH could have kept quiet and enjoyed the few feet of property he had illegally acquired, But no, he had to climb the fence to the pasture, drop his pants and underpants, turn around and bend over AND expose the red bull's eye painted on his butt to the taurus! Which came running like a freight train loco, aimed at his derriere.
Story 5: About your question how someone gets a job like that, The Peter Principle explains it. The Peter principle states that a person who is competent at their job will earn a promotion to a position that requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, they will be incompetent at the new level, and will not be promoted again. If the person is competent in the new role, they will be promoted again and will continue to be promoted until reaching a level at which they are incompetent. Being incompetent, the individual will not qualify for promotion again, and so will remain stuck at this final placement or Peter's plateau. This outcome is inevitable, given enough time and enough positions in the hierarchy to which competent employees may be promoted. The Peter principle is therefore expressed as: "In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence." This leads to Peter's corollary: "In time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties."
the 5th story resonate with me so much, same stuff happened but i didn't get any justice out of it... left that work place, never look back. having management that doesn't know how to do their work really is a pain in the ass.
re: the muffin story. It would have been great if the EE had told the customer that, although she is a Karen, she did a wonderful thing by having the manager fired. And then, reward her with some free muffins (of course, not the "special" ones).
Story 3: Manager made the classic "customer is always right" mistake. The problem is, that's actually a misquote. "The customer is always right _in matters of taste"_ is the accurate quote, and it certainly does not mean that when a customer demands an out-of-season product that the store is suddenly expected to make it appear. On the flip side, I do expect restaurants to stock anything they have on the menu or on any visible signs, and to remove anything referring to items that they no longer stock, so that particular coffee shop had made a mistake by leaving a sign visible for a product they weren't stocking at the moment. Of course they still can't just magically conjure up a product that's out of season, but I think it's something that ought to be mentioned. If I was the Karen of the story I would've accepted that they didn't have the product and made a different choice, while advising them to move the sign to somewhere customers couldn't see it until the product it advertised was back in stock.
I worked in optical, first the eye Drs office, then crosstrained to retail. Fitting someone with new glasses isn’t as easy as ppl think, correct measurements down to the mm are crucial. In our companies infinite wisdom they decided to hire a retail manager from Victoria Secret, who had zero experience in optical. Thankfully the Dr loved me, and had my position changed to manager of her office. I just got to sit back and watch him burn the top selling store in the reagon, and 8th in the company to the ground. He was fired, our old manager was transferred back to us, and I resumed training to become a manager. It took 5 months for us to regain our top sales positions. Idiots!
Always do exactly what the manager wants done. Don't argue, just comply. Then when everything goes into the toilet, the answer why is because you were told to by your manager. They will try and blame you for the disaster, but "the manager told me to" will refocus eyes onto the manager. If a sign is in the back room, and not out front on display for customers ti see, that means the items shown on the sign aren't available. And it won't do any good asking for them.
It's called the Peter principle. People get management positions like this because they rise to the level of their incompetence. They may have been good at whatever level they were beforehand and they got hired or promoted above that and they're not well suited for that position as they were in their previous position.
Story 3 - working in the produce section of a grocery store, the last few weeks, customers keep asking about certain items. Sadly, we tend to be out, as the supplier has to do some major cleaning at their facility, or we're changing suppliers, or thanks to recent weather, stuck several hours away. Haven't had any complain too much when they get told that we don't have it, when we look in the back, just to make sure that the stuff didn't magically show up - I also suggest that they check out our competition, just in case they got luckier.
Story 6: I work in Title and Abstract and we get these disputes brought to us. Usually it gets solved pretty quickly, we use GIS (Global Imaging Satellite) on a website as well as the documents involved to find out exactly where the line is for the client. Sometimes though we do have to get a surveyor because one of the neighbors ends up being a Karen. My favorite story is about an Easement though, and the misunderstanding thereof. So, one neighbor had an easement (basically allowing usage on his property that's recorded on the property) with his old neighbor, whom got along great with the land owner, and he used this as a driveway (even had it paved for the neighbor, from my understanding). The neighbor eventually sold his property to some 30-something hothead and said hothead immediately had an issue with the land owner having someone mow and trim trees up to and on both sides of the driveway. Long story short, the back and forth and pettiness ended in the land owner drafting a cancelation of the easement and telling the guy he had to make his own driveway through his own land. Guy ignored that and so the land owner had massive construction stakes of some kind pounded into the center and sides of the driveway to make it impossible to drive over. Just saying, clearing a shit load of trees and making a new driveway is expensive, and time consuming. I have no idea what happened to them after that, I only know the entitled neighbor called us to complain about it like we can do something to fix a guy putting stakes or posts or whatever into his own property.
Story 1- I thought the manager was implying to just grab any muffins and act like they were special and if OP didn't know what he meant that asking others to help that they would figure it out.
Lol. In the muffins story my immediate thought was "sure, we have some left", and packing the Karen some of the other normal muffins for twice their price
That last guy was pretty nice. Letting them use the part of their house that was over the property line but only threatening to use it for advertizing. I'd have threatened to get a chain saw and cut off that part of his house. And he'd have 24 hours to remove that part of the house from my property.
Something very similar happened when my Roommates and I last moved house: Our former landlord wrote us about how not only was she taking our deposit, but she was charging us 300 dollars to clean the "mess" we left her (note: we spent multiple days clearing the place out and cleaning up, to the point where we weren't getting any rest between work and moving.) Thankfully in our state we are legally allowed to ask for an itemized list of expenses in this case and we did, and clearly the landlord was banking on us not knowing that because in her next message she was asking for details to cut US a check, because it turns out our "expensive mess" was less than our deposit after all XD
I'll answer why certain idiots end up in management positions. Failing upward. In some businesses, and especially in government civil service, it is easier to promote someone out of a department than to actually fire them. This causes the stupidest people to ascend to the highest level of these entities. Not 100% of the time, but over the years I've seen it happen an uncomfortable amount of times.
The last story reminded me of an old landlord I had who had troubles with a neighbor because my landlord moved a mobile home on some land between their houses that landlord owned. The neighbor complained that it was an eyesore and then tried to say it was too close to their house. Landlord hired a surveyer to find out if he needed to move it away from neighbors house. Finds out that the house was actually too close to my landlords house and had to be moved even closer to the neighbors. That was about 30 years ago and the moble home is still there and looks good after my landlord remodeled it.
I’ve been reading these stories about bad management every single day (and all the others,too) and I do t have the words that say I am so happy that I’m old and haven’t worked in a very long time so I never have to run into such stupid people in management of so many different places. And wondering how they got that far - must be the stupid people who keep promoting them!!!!!
1st story, OP definitely take a idea from both the comment about a RV and the movie Roadhouse where Emmet rents barn to Dalton.... how's $25 month strike ya, can you handle that much 🤔:)
S1: Love the "Rent the space to an RV owner that needs a place to park" idea. S2: Kick that kid out of future sales entirely. S3: Saw this story elsewhere recently. Same reaction, boot her out of the store and ban her. The manager is just as bad/worse. S4: The entertainment value in post-shutdown must've been great S5: Very nice S6: Hehehehe. Love it.
Story 2: that was not a mama karen. A mama karen would have refused to pay and than left. This lady payed up, making her a reasonble parent to some degree.
Depending on where you are you may be required to remove every part of your house within X feet of the property line by law. And of course that begs the question of whether the remaining portions would be structurally sound, and if not, It may be deemed uninhabitable until you tear even more down and rebuild with the new allowable build area in mind.
let story 3 be a lesson, always promote into managerial positions, never hire them from outside. a good manager is someone who knows what its like to be the people they manage.
Concerning the question about how managers like this get hired: they actually look for that type of personality. Only a few like the one in this story are that incompetent, most take much longer to mess up and hide their mistakes better. But basically, they look for the "crew boss" mentality.
I used to drive for a camp in new hampshire long ago.. about 4 summers in the early 80's. One of the counselors was an absolute Adonis. No, I did not want to go on a date, I just noted his looks. He also had a bit of an ego to match: he looked good and he knew it. The camp was on one side of a small lake. On the other were summer bungalows that must have been occupied by the fossilized gentry of ages past, namely victorian little old ladies. Mind you, these bunch of biddies and bidets (older gents.. I know it has another meaning) would call and complain about EVERYTHING. We had a small dock and they taught whatever camper wanted how to water ski. Well, Mr Adonis decided to have some fun with the victorian crew. Couple of counselors took the boat out and Mr Adonis went water skiing. Just before the boat 'hit it' he dropped his swim shorts. They then proceeded to zoom past the elderly spectators several times before returning to port. They hadn't even finished pass #2 before the phone was ringing off the hook. hahahahahahaha
Story 5 how do people like "Karen" end up with jobs in positions of management. Simple. They have the gift of the gab. They talk a big game, talk themselves up, then rely on everyone else around them to carry them while they flounder in their own verbal excrement. Or simply put... Sh!t floats....
I feel sorry for the children of the entitled mother in the muffin story because you know she kept hyping those muffins the whole time, and probably hyped them up on the way to the store as well. *”We’re going to get these great muffins I heard about! They’re going to be so good!” *”That dumb worker said there weren’t any of the special muffins, but I made the manager make things right! Thanks to Mommy we’ll soon have our delicious muffins!” *”It’s taking so long because they’re making fresh, delicious muffins just for us! They’ll be worth the wait!” *”I don’t know what’s taking the stupid workers so long, but the muffins will be free as an apology for us having to wait so long, and they’ll probably bring us extra ones too!” Etc. etc. until they found there really weren’t any muffins, and they waited all this time for nothing because Mommy was an entitled, delusional idiot who couldn’t accept no for an answer and the manger was an idiot who couldn’t be bothered to say, “When we say we don’t have them, we don’t have them, so order something else or leave.” I wonder how long it takes these children to stop trusting these entitled parents who promise everything and rarely deliver anything.
Growing up we had a a decent chunk of land and our neighbor was ver... um particular about the property line because his house was basically built right on the edge e so he could use our driveway (which we allowed). We had a brick placed in the ground to mark where his ended and ours began and serval times he moved the brick further and further until he was claiming that he "owned our driveway" and all the area around it so we just stopped mowing that area and said that if he owned all of this he can take care of it which made his house look god awful. Then continued using the driveway because no matter what "the brick says" we knew what the law was. Our house was far enough away that it didn't really bother us.
Gotta love the mom in the second story, helping her kid both by making the cookies and making sure they didn’t lose their money to the piece of shit neighbor kid/mom In story 3 wow a Karen actually helped 😮😮😮😮 it’s a miracle she helped get rid of a crappy manager by demanding help from the manager. Oh the irony
That bar story reminds me the time I was on a volunteer fire department. At the local bar that was known ,if your tall enough to put money on the bar, you can served. We were at our table(all of age), start to notice the county deputies in plain clothes. I asked one wants up, he smiled and said them & state police will be checking all ID'S. After they took the minors away, the bar was 1/2 empty.
Story 5... @DarkFluff, people get management positions often by being friends of the upper management, having taken 'classes' on managing but not having any experience so look good on paper. Sadly, it is rare for workers to be promoted to being the supervisor, then manager... they are never given that sort of duties.
There are classes managers have to take to get degrees in certain office skills. Workers are never offered these, so they never can be considered for manager jobs.
Well then they'd have to find a new peasant to take the laborers place. And since most companies would rather keep a skeleton crew to save money, rather than keep an extra one or two people to keep things running smoothly in case even one person has to call in, that would leave them understaffed and that would be bad for business.
In a very long career I've worked Retail, Hospitality, Sales and Customer Service as well as becoming a College Lecturer in Psychology and an Accredited Trainer for the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development. My considered professional opinion is that far too many "customers" are rude, ignorant pigs who shouldn't be allowed out in Decent Society and most Managers are Toxic Disablers that should never be allowed any Supervisory Roles at all. I make it a point of Social Responsibility to be polite and show gratitude for EVERYONE who provides Service to me in whatever capacity it may be. To be friendly and warm towards them because I know they've been abused and denigrated by those not fit to tie their shoelaces!
My mom and step dad owned some vacation property. Their neighbors didn't really like them. So they claimed that a tree on my mom's property needed to be cut down because it was a hazard. So mom complied and had it cut down. Then the neighbor said the tree was actually on their property so they should get the keep the wood from it. (after mom and step dad had it cut down) They also said that step dad was parking on their property and needed to stop. So mom and step dad got tired of it and had the land surveyed. Turned out that the tree was on mom and step dad's property and that their actual property went right up to the neighbor's house. So neighbor lost about 5 ft of property. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Embodiment of “Fuck around and find out”
Same kind of thing happened where I used to live. Backside Neighbors got pissy about property lines insisting we were driving on their driveway. We had the lines looked at and found out we were graciously giving them some of our driveway the entire time. So we fenced in our side and reduced them to a very cramped (and long) driveway while we got one that was more roomy
@@mwolfe1486 Reaaaally... have just shut up. They should.
Be careful what you wish for!
The ULTIMATE FAFO!
Property lines and tree laws are some of the most satisfying stories ever.
"People don't quit jobs, they quit bosses." ~ should be pounded into the noggins of management trainees everywhere...
Should be tattooed on their butt cheeks.
I have quit jobs with for reasons unrelated to the quality of management. I’ve even quit jobs with good managers. Unfortunately it’s less impactful to say “Reduce attrition by X% by not being a dick.”
I’ve not seen that one before, but how true. That should be the screen-saver for every manager/supervisor’s computer, from the bottom to the top of every company.
Story 5: in what dystopian country do adults have to justify a bathroom break at work?
The same dystopian country where school kids are denied emergency trips to the bathroom because certain teachers have a bug up their azz.
It's called "The USA" or "America." Early on, I worked jobs that said you were given 2 breaks and lunch. Use the bathroom then or clock out and don't come back. Burger King was the absolute worst. Even on breaks, we were not allowed to sit down and were warned not to abuse time on the toilet just to get off our feet. And yes, they did check. They also paid 1hour to close, but it always took at least 3hours after the doors were locked.
@@richardfabacher3705 no wonder burger king can't hire anyone that is competent anymore.
Are you sure all employers are like that? Don’t be so hasty to paint all employers with the same brush!
@@Renville80I've loved in the US My whole life and have never had an issue. I find it weird that other people have.
My sister used to work as a Bar manager of a rather large pub (early 2000's), she got the job by being good with money and keeping a level head. Undercover licensing officials and undercover police turned up all the time, because overserving and serving underage customers is a problem within the industry. She always said they were easy to spot as they were constantly looking around them. While normal patrons usually kept to themselves and rarely looked up from their drinks or friend group.
I worked for a global engineering consultancy for nearly 30 years, and had the opportunity to observe and work for a lot of managers. Most were competent. One of them I would have taken a bullet for, and another I would have put the bullet INTO. The experience allowed me to get a very good idea of what makes for good and bad managing.
Fast forward, and I'm now in my tenth year of working at a small second-run movie theatre -- a completely different line of work -- and I've been its manager for about three of those years. I tell my crew that I won't ask them to do anything I won't do myself; and I back up my words by taking on even the most horrible of tasks. If we are running particularly late shows (say, those that finish after midnight), I'll make sure whoever is closing has a ride home (if not, I'll personally pay for a cab or Uber). I'll often come up with a list of tasks to be done while the shows are running, and I'll let my co-worker pick the tasks he/she wants to do, and I take the rest. For efforts and actions beyond the call of duty I'll provide some small reward (like their choice of large candy, paid for by me). I take a personal interest in their off-job lives, as most of them are students in high school or university (I'm 66 by the way, so a LITTLE bit older than them). I want each of my crew members to feel mentored, led by example, and protected from bad customers (nobody abuses my staff without consequences).
And I do all this (and so much more) for just a few dimes over minimum wage, and zero benefits (unless you count free movies and popcorn). When each crew member finishes his/her time working for us, I wish them best of luck and hope they've left the job with some very good skills, a healthy bank account, and a strong start to a successful career in their chosen field.
I don't have a university degree, but I've studied a lot, observed a lot, questioned a lot, and remain open to improving my management technique. I should mention also that I'm not a pushover -- I won't even take crap from the owner or the district manager, and I've kicked out more than just a few troublemakers. I guess it helps that I'm 6'2" and well over 200 pounds, and can turn into the toughest SOB in the flick of an eyelash.
Story 4: I'm surprised that the club lasted that long.
Like, you'd think that after so much legal trouble, the club would learn their lesson, but I guess when you have an egomaniac that denies ever being wrong running the place (sort of), it would just have to end this way.
Like seriously, they even got their license revoked *once!* That *SHOULD'VE* been the wake-up call!
I hope that the owner filed for divorce, and that part of spousal support was for Karen to reimburse him for lost income since she was the direct cause of the final strike against the club.
@@aqacefan and then finally sue her for treble damage
That's a standard feature of a lot of clubs. There are some local to me that change their name every couple years to avoid being completely shut down.
You'd think so but to the Egomaniacs, ALL their Life's Problems are ALWAYS the fault of someone else, NEVER because of their actions so why should they change their behaviour WHEN THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG?
They don't tend to get that Wake-Up Call until everyone else tells them to Fuck Off, they're now alone and something they do Bites them in the Ass and they can't blame anyone else because there's no one else to blame...except the person in the mirror that is...
😄😁😆😅😂🤣
At my first job, we had a manager similar to Story 3.
He demanded EVERYBODY in the kitchen crew ban together to get a certain appetizer out.. Ignoring the fact it was a weekend dinner rush at a popular sports bar, and only the ONE person on that particular food station was actually required for the task. He did not care. All fryers racked, all patties stacked, all wings down, IF [he] SEES A SINGLE THING OUT BEFORE [nachos or some shit akin to that], IT'LL BE A LOOOONG NIGHT.
In conclusion, we all stood around during the eight minutes it took our quite stoned and _very_ petty coworker to send out the two minute dish. Anybody who works the line knows eight minutes is equivalent to an atomic devastation for our ticket times. Glad we could all ban together as a team, though, and get these nachos out before the 20 orders preceding them. 💀
Sometimes I miss being a cook, but thankfully managers who progress by way of default are in abundance, so there's always entertainment.
Probably was for a friend of his.
You skipped the fallout! What happened to the Mangler?
I recently had some woman come into my animal clinic claiming she was the wife of the owner. One of the vet techs came into my office telling me that my Wife was there. The thing you need to understand is my beloved Wife passed away in 2019. I came boiling out of the office yelling 'Don't let her get near you! She's a zombie!" I took one look at this nutjob, and told her to leave before I call the Police. I've never seen a Land Whale move that quick.
"Where is the shotgun?! We need to aim at her head!"
Damn. I laughed at the mention of the impostor being a zombie. 🤣
Sorry about your wife, though. :(
I picture your lovely wife laughing heaven. Bless you sir.
That is the most original way I've read to diffuse and deal with the Karen. I would have referred to her as a vampire and asked if there was any garlic around or a crucifix.
As for your wife, I'm very sorry that she passed. You have my condolences
You handled that perfectly. I'm so sorry about the loss of your wife, dude.
Muffin Steve: That is exactly the kind of malicious compliance that I have done in the past to idiots.
Story 3: Steve made a classic shite manager mistake. He assumed his employee was either lying or wrong and gave really stupid orders on that assumption and all because he didn't want to say "Sorry, Ma'am. We don't have any more." At most he should have double checked himself to see if OP had been mistaken and then told Karen they were out.
Yup, however it makes for a very satisfying "told ya so" moment when you get to make your point and make them feel like an idiot.
Customer never was always king/queen.
@@Some_Guy6 Correction: Customers are kings/queens, but sometimes kings and queens get beheaded.
@@Some_Guy6 Sir...this is France
@@jacthing1 Let them have... Muffins?
I bet an employee getting fired for following the law also had something to do with the bar being permanently shut down even if it wasn't officially stated.
and you can't blame them one bit
@@timq6224 yep. Not only 1less dive to worry about but even saved them more money & time.
Best job I ever had was working in the pharmacy for almost a decade. Doesn't matter how low you are on the totem pole, we can't bend the rules
The muffin story reminds me of a story of my own when I worked for the Colonel. It was when we came back after Covid and it was a reduced menu. A guy asks for a burger with a particular BBQ sauce that they used for wraps but we didn't have any. So I tell him and he tells me (he didn't even ask) to go back round and ask, so I do that and loudly ask "do we have any BBQ sauce?" My co-worker realising why I was shouting says really loudly that it was stupid to even ask since I already knew we didn't. Went back round with a smug smile and told him we don't.
I owned a bar for a few years while I was a law enforcement officer so I made sure we obeyed the State Liquor Laws and I would get a big laugh when someone I cut off would say please serve me anyway and no one would know and I would say but I do while showing my badge. They would shut up pretty quick and find a ride home or I would call them a cab.
Story 3 made me think of a story I heard from a lady years ago. She used to own a cafe in the small town where I lived at the time, and a local merchant always came in and made impossible demands on her (in fairness, he wasn't really a "Karen"; he just liked to give her a hard time). One day he came in when it was busy and demanded that she give him a hamburger to go, and he wanted to right it then. This wasn't a fast-food restaurant, and she explained that it would take a few minutes to prepare it. He insisted he didn't have a few minutes; he needed it right away. Being a good businesswoman, she aimed to please, so she gave him a raw hamburger. She said he never pulled that stunt again!
In story 3, I guarantee that those seasonal muffins were pumpkin spice muffins lol
Of course they were. 😂
As a land surveyor I love dealing with land disputes. It can be so gratifying to help a person dealing with a neighbor being rude about where the line is and what belongs to them. Having to tell a clients neighbor that they were encroaching 5 feet with their fence while they screamed at me for trespassing was still well worth it. The grin on the ladies face when we showed her she was in fact correct and there were now property markers at each corner to prove it brought me joy.
If you ever are in a situation where you need to hire a manager, when you speak to the reference they provide, ask if it’s possible to speak to a worker who have worked FOR this manager. This will give you a way better insight in to how they behave towards their workers, as they will more likely have a day to day experience with them and not just read the reports of what their team have accomplished.
True. On the flip side, I recall a director who refused to let us give a poor evaluation to an associate. According to the boss the associate was so helpful and responsive when the boss called for anything! Never mind that the associate was known to sit in her cubicle spending hours planning her date outfits and doing personal shit like writing checks for her bills! (1990s) The boss was an idiot. Of course the associate jumped through hoops...for the boss!
Or just promote from within
I like this suggestion. But how does this fall within the law preventing employers from giving a bad review. Can the worker speak freely or are they subject to the same law? In which case how can the employer ensure that the worker will follow the law? If the worker can speak freely then this is great, otherwise its a big risk for the previous employer or wont have any benefit because the worker cant be honest about a bad boss.
@@michaelw1096 I think it divides like this
A review is a mandatory written document handed to the Employee when they leave a job.
A refererence is an optional spoken assessment of the Employee which is not covered by law, as long as there is no slander.
It’s amazing how “looking good” on paper doesn’t translate to being a good/competent manager
Exactly. It's also amazing how many come fresh from college and become management with little to no experience in a full time job, or any job. How the hell can you tell me what to do if you don't know how to do it yourself?
Love the third story. Only thing I can't decide is who is the bigger moron, Steve or Karen? Guess I'll give it to Steve since she did play a part in getting him fired. But I'm still laughing at the fact that she thought they were in the back making her muffins.
Muffins that were seasonal items because they could only be made when their ingredients were in season.
Story 2--I don't think Mama was a Karen; I think she heard her son's side of the story and believed him. Once she saw the other side of it (the financial side) she accepted it. I think it is the boy who was being taught a lesson.
Ya, sounds like the kid got pissed they weren't gonna get what they wanted and did what any bratty kid would do.
Granted, the Karen Mom also tried to get OP to pay for stuff that wasn't even used.
Nah. That mom knew her kid left early. At a minimum she should have called OP to get more info rather than declaring OP's family robbed her kid. She was a typical Karen.
I disagree, I think that given that the other mother tried to charge the OP for things that weren't even used at the lemonade/bake stand. That makes her a Karen.
Sounds like an Uno reverse card got played!
The son was a pre-karen, like 9 or 10 years old kids are called pre-teens.
Cookies; She forgot to add in Cleanup Labor, and Trash bags, so I guess she'll just consider that a Gift.🤔😁
Back in the '70s I worked at a TV shop. Our sales clerk would tie our only phone line up, for hours with personal calls. I had a spare chassis for a tap recorder, so I hooked it and a speaker to the line, so everyone working in the service area heard everything. She complained to the owner, who simply asked "What are you saying on my phone that you shouldn't be?"
One of the things she was doing was telling her girlfriends "All the men here are fighting to date me!" We called her 'Sweat hog'. She was barely five feet tall and close to 300 pounds of nasty tempered crap.
One day a tech was setting up a new color picture tube. e had the lights out in his area. The shop had a floor furnace in the doorway between sales and service. She would turn the thermostat s high as it would go, then stand on it. She sweated so bad that the place smelled like a poorly maintained gym. She did it that day, and he jumped up, yelling, OMG, the sun has burnt out!" She started chasing him. He was over six feet tall and quite thin. It looked like a bowling ball chasing a pin.
She would brag about being 'feminine and delicate'. She would pick up color console TVs to put them into the sales are to watch sop operas. One day were were rearranging the shop. She yelled, I need to use the restroom, as she lifted a full, four drawer file cabinet to get past us.
"It looked like a bowling ball chasing a pin."
I'm stealing that.
@@josepherhardt164 Go ahead, and use it in good fun! 😁😁😁😁😁
@@michaelterrell Thanks! :)
Story 5: How do people like those get manager duties? Nepotism. Or they gave a higher up the best night of his life.
It's a case of the Peter principle, people get promoted to their level of incompetence.
@@flamenmartialis6839 That gives the good guys named Peter a bad rap.
@@flamenmartialis6839 In many cases it's more like the "Peter principle" applies when the higher ups "Peter(s)" gets the best night.
a fake resume
@@audreyricci6383 Lawrence J. Peter came up with the thesis, thus the name, though a guy named Hull wrote much of the text of the book, _The Peter Principle_ .
Story 5: All of this over a few minutes in the bathroom. If you're gonna explode like a volcano over just a couple minutes, you need to get off your high horse.
I love the irony of how Karen was basically lazy and incompetent while getting mad at a hardworking OP for using the bathroom for a few minutes
I used to work as a paramedic in an emergency department. One busy night, I tried to take a few minutes to go pee; however, my department phone rang as soon as I had sat down. It was my charge nurse.
"Where are you?"
I put the phone by the toilet and flushed. 🚽🧻🤣
SilverFlight01 - Pretty common to for some places to fire "up" to get rid of an incompetent person in a place if they think a worker like that will be a problem if they actually try to fire them. Boss's nephew, wife, etc. They either get promoted, or eliminate the position.
Decades ago I was working as a contracted cdl (class a license at that time) truck driver for a military freight handling company. The truck I was stuck with was an old GMC day cab that had long before seen better days. I began bringing my own tools to work to try keeping it running. One day I simply drove it up the ramp into the warehouse to tighten the fan belts, which were slipping badly. While I was up on top the engine leaning over in an attempt to loosten the necessary bolts, the boss comes over and asks what I'm doing, so I told him. He then proceeds to then tell me that he thinks that I should be doing that on my own time. So, I proceeded to grab my tools and put them away, back the truck out and park it, and just go sit at my designated desk , never touching the truck again. A few weeks later I bought my own truck and left that clown house. A few weks later I happened to be in that area making a delivery, so I stopped by to see who took my place driving. Those idiots took a guy from the warehouse who, while knowing (sorta) how to drive the truck, did not have the license necessary to do the job. As I said, clowns.
When ya gotta go, ya gotta go Karen. How would you like to be interrupted by a call on the intercom when you are in the middle of "taking care of business" on the🚽?
@@audreyricci6383 Jah, I mean after all, he was probably just working on finishing up on the "paperwork" 😆😆🤣🤣
That undercover cop is a real OG. Respect, bro.😂
In the last story, the "use the side of your house for advertising" thing was playing nice. If they wanted to play hardball, they could have demanded that the homeowner remove the offending structure. I. e., the house.
Story 3: karma is a b word and the manager deserve it for so bad at his job.
Story 4: this is why you don’t fire the one person who keeps your business alive.
Hahaha! My daughter did a charity bake sale (a few years ago now). We had a Karen wanting, not only to buy what my daughter had in her sale, but “You need to make me 2 dozen more for tomorrow, because I’m having a party!” (Oh, and at the junior bake sale price!)
“I’m sorry Madame, but I’m going to have to charge the full price, because the charity sale is only today.”
Rolling her eyes, “uhh, watever, I don’t care!” And she signed it over.
Only…I’m the pastry chef for a 3* Michelin star restaurant….. but because it was in writing, my daughter got A LOT for her charity….. and the woman protested, but couldn’t fight it! Top score for the children’s hospice!
Edit: if you’re a total b****, and you treat children like s***, what you sign is legally binding!
Edit 2: Karen was EXTREMELY wealthy, and the money she paid was a drop in her ocean (but it was something she needed to explain to her tight-fisted husband!) Several children can now spend their last days in comfort and care, without the weight on their parents. RIP to so many brave little souls.
The stockroom story: new management ALWAYS screws things up. It never fails.
Even at the Presidential level. Good economy, malignant dictators quiet, border secure. Then new management comes in.
I am a firm believer that "If it ain't broke don't fix it"....
I'm a firm believer in if it ain't broke it damn sure soon will be
With the kids story I doubt the Mum is a Karen because if she was no way would she have paid the $23 dollars. My guess is the kid spun her a story and when it dawned on her the truth she just gave the OP the money to teach her kid a lesson.
she tried to charge OP for stuff that wasn't even used..... and she knows her kid left early
@@gijanine3701 - Did she in either case? You only have OP to believe in regards to what she did or didn't use and lets face it OP's are biased towards their own version of events. As to knowing if her kid left early or not - again who knows what her child told her. My point is that if she was a Karen in the classic sense she would have whined and complained and no way does the $23 get paid - so if she isn't a Karen in the classic sense then that opens up the very real possibility that her child told her that the OP family had kept all the money and not done very much work. Given the money was seemingly paid without any screaming or much in the way of issue and we dont have any other context saying she was problematic I'm guessing that she's probably just a normal person who got the wrong end of the stick and when she realised that acted normally and gave the other woman some money to cover the rightful expenses. So her kid is entitled (lets face it all kids are entitled) but I dont really see from the info given that the Mum is and I think the description Karen has been thrown around a bit too liberally here.
@@alphaomega7191lol. So call op a liar. From that point the story doesn't matter at all. Why comment about a story that doesn't matter? Why comment on a story if which you don't believe some of the main points?
The ibbicent until proven guilty diatribe means that unless you can prove that op lied about something we have to assume he didn't.
Story 5 Answer : ... because people like OP don't take them.
PEOPLE LISTEN UP: when it comes to managers and workers: I was a lieutenant in the U.S. Army. Let me give you some advice. There is a difference between responsibility and task. If you are not the manager, then you have tasks to perform. You do NOT, in general, have responsibilities (other than is obvious--such as not pounding the crud out of customers, et. al.). The MANAGER (and maybe, just maybe, some assistant managers) have responsibilities. You have TASKS to perform. It is THEIR responsibility to see that certain things are done; it is your task to do them.
The difference is all the difference in the world! Make damn sure you understand the difference! When a soldier got shot during a training exercise we were doing, it came to light that he had mistakenly taken a clip of live ammunition off of a live-fire range. The sergeants had the task of ensuring that he handed in seven magazines (his ammo pouches could only hold six, but the SOP for infantry was to give out 210 rounds, so they handed out one extra clip to each soldier for the live fire exercise. Since it was not permissible to place that in his rifle before the exercise began--due to safety protocols, he put it into his cargo pocket (side pocket on his trousers). When he was checked out (he had not been able to go through the exercise due to time constraints), the sergeants took the clips in his ammo pouches.
The lieutenant who was in charge of the range was forced to resign his commission. Yes, it was the task of the sergeants to take seven clips of ammo from each soldier, but it was the RESPONSIBILITY of the lieutenant to ensure that the sergeants did that. He probably had not paid attention to what had been done during the distribution of the ammo, thus did not realize that such a mistake was possible. If he did, he did not ensure that the sergeants frisked each soldier for clips of live ammunition. The soldier in question had rejoined active service recently and was not used to the difference in weight of live versus blank ammunition (blanks are filled with gunpowder only, not metal, thus are lighter).
The soldier who got shot during the blank ammunition exercise recovered fully, so don't worry too much about that. However, try to understand the difference between responsibility and task. If your boss claims you have a responsibility to do something; consider if you are actually being paid commensurately. If you are not an exempt employee (in other words a professional, thus exempt from most EEOC labor laws, since you are salaried) then you are unlikely to have ANY responsibilities. The manager is only allowed to tell you that you are responsible for accomplishing a set of tasks. However, it is the manager's responsibility that the tasks be performed, and performed to standards. If the manager has not ensured that you are properly trained, given the proper equipment, time, work environment, etc. then you should not be held responsible for failed tasks. If you are threatened for bad or incomplete work, you need to consider if the manager gave you the proper ability to accomplish the job. If not, then take it up with your manager's manager.
Let me reiterate. IF YOU WERE NOT GIVEN THE ABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THE JOB AND YOUR MANAGER BLAMES YOU, TELL YOUR MANAGER'S MANAGER--NO MATTER WHAT! If it is the owner who blames you, take it up with EEOC.
I agree with everything you said, but your use of clip instead of magazine just makes my eye twitch.
@@supremecaffeine2633 My apologies; that is the term we used so often, that it just came out that way.
So let me ask you did you work your way up or were you green to gold
@@TwoStacks217 I was green to gold. I was a split-option (in college) trained medic in the reserves. I entered OCS after I graduated, because I chose to serve as a thank you to my country for Pell Grants, NDSL loans, etc. (not required, but I did it anyways).
So I was enlisted before I was a commissioned officer. I did my drills (and summer deployments, since I returned from AIT in time) and was promoted up to E-4, all before I entered OCS.
This is something that everyone needs to learn. I only really understood this fairly recently. At the bookstore I work in, I was in line for a promotion, jumped through all their hoops, took on extra work, etc. Then, even though I was promised the position, I got passed over at the last minute. They still expected me to do the extra work I had taken on, including overseeing training. I told my GM and the other management no when they brought me the info on a batch of new hires. They were baffled and tried to remind me that this was my responsibility and I told them that I was regular staff, they didn't give me a promotion and I wouldn't be getting paid extra, so no, it wasn't my responsibility. The only responsibility I have is to show up, complete tasks that are in my employment summary and not take a swing at rude customers. I offered to consult with then on training as a private contractor, but that they'd have to pay my fees(I pulled a number out of thin air, just making a point). One of the managers got pissed, but the other 3 took the L. A lot of us that have worked there awhile have been friends outside of work for a few years and we have an agreement not to let our personal relationships interfere with work, but it can become awkward in these situations, but it also means that no one can really treat each other as faceless drones that can be treated however. Because of this, I knew I wouldn't get fired or written up for my refusal and during the back and forth, I got to tell then I'd be scaling back what I do there because I read through what was expected of me in my current position and that I wasn't taking on their responsibilities unless I was going to be promoted and properly compensated for it.
When it comes to incompetent people getting to manager positions, there are a few ways it can happen. One is the Peter principle: you do your job well and keep getting promoted until you reach the point that you can't do well, and then get stuck there. Another is favoritism/nepotism: getting the job due to knowing the right people or being related to the right people. A third way is being good at selling yourself (and taking credit for others' work). They often manage to stay in management positions because the people below them tend to take on some of the responsibilities just so they can get their own jobs done.
I learned from experience that I'm a better follower than leader, so I turn down management positions when they're offered to me. The pay raise isn't worth the stress.
That property line story, I would not have given them any option other than pay for the property or move your crap. :p
A little story for you all. I live in a small town. The local bar owner is not the smartest person around. He has anger issues as well. Anyway, he was planning on having a popular local band come play one Saturday night. He wanted big profits, so he calls the Sherriff's dept. Tells them don't drive by the bar that night it scares his customers. The Sherriff's dept laughs and said we will drive by if we wish. The bar owner then calls the state police and tell them the same thing. The state police told him they would not drive by that night, not to worry. Saturday night rolls around the band starts at 9. About 10:30 the state police sneak into town from a back road. They set up a block away from the bar on both sides. As each car leaves the bar, they tail it looking for signs of impairment. They end up busting half of the customers, the bar's cook and most of the staff. Had the owner kept his mouth shut he would not have turned everyone in. What did he think they would do? LOL
Ooh the kid's bake sale momma is a genius!!!
Story 3 : finally the karen who did the right thing.
I guess she did know the muffin man who lives down Jewelery Lane.
@@Maninawig drury lane. You misheard.
@@zathtanks actually, Google failed me. Tried using it to spell check, as I thought it looked funny.
@@Maninawig that’s hilarious. I love it 😂😂😂
@@Jevans47403 thank you
I hope Karen got charged with abuse of staff at that the bar.
It's often not that they like that and get the job, but change to being like that once they get the job.
I'm glad Steve was fired. He's the kind of manager that will get the business closed, reputation ruined, lawsuits, health inspections, etc....
Last: In my country we have a popular saying, "Bull, come duck me" meaning many people actually invite trouble with their own deeds!
That neighbor AH could have kept quiet and enjoyed the few feet of property he had illegally acquired, But no, he had to climb the fence to the pasture, drop his pants and underpants, turn around and bend over AND expose the red bull's eye painted on his butt to the taurus! Which came running like a freight train loco, aimed at his derriere.
Story 5: About your question how someone gets a job like that, The Peter Principle explains it.
The Peter principle states that a person who is competent at their job will earn a promotion to a position that requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, they will be incompetent at the new level, and will not be promoted again. If the person is competent in the new role, they will be promoted again and will continue to be promoted until reaching a level at which they are incompetent. Being incompetent, the individual will not qualify for promotion again, and so will remain stuck at this final placement or Peter's plateau.
This outcome is inevitable, given enough time and enough positions in the hierarchy to which competent employees may be promoted. The Peter principle is therefore expressed as: "In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence." This leads to Peter's corollary: "In time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties."
lately the Peter Principle is being coupled with Dunning-Kruger. These people are beyond help.
I subscribe to the Dilbert Principle. They get promoted out of the way so as to not harm productivity
"Go check the back" - I would NOT want muffins that have been "in the back" for long enough for no one to know they're there
I was actually hoping they would find some .. problem is that would possibly open up some issues with the Health Department.
Story 1: A '60 Lincoln? Kinky.....
the 5th story resonate with me so much, same stuff happened but i didn't get any justice out of it... left that work place, never look back. having management that doesn't know how to do their work really is a pain in the ass.
re: the muffin story. It would have been great if the EE had told the customer that, although she is a Karen, she did a wonderful thing by having the manager fired. And then, reward her with some free muffins (of course, not the "special" ones).
Story 3: Manager made the classic "customer is always right" mistake. The problem is, that's actually a misquote. "The customer is always right _in matters of taste"_ is the accurate quote, and it certainly does not mean that when a customer demands an out-of-season product that the store is suddenly expected to make it appear. On the flip side, I do expect restaurants to stock anything they have on the menu or on any visible signs, and to remove anything referring to items that they no longer stock, so that particular coffee shop had made a mistake by leaving a sign visible for a product they weren't stocking at the moment. Of course they still can't just magically conjure up a product that's out of season, but I think it's something that ought to be mentioned. If I was the Karen of the story I would've accepted that they didn't have the product and made a different choice, while advising them to move the sign to somewhere customers couldn't see it until the product it advertised was back in stock.
I worked in optical, first the eye Drs office, then crosstrained to retail. Fitting someone with new glasses isn’t as easy as ppl think, correct measurements down to the mm are crucial. In our companies infinite wisdom they decided to hire a retail manager from Victoria Secret, who had zero experience in optical. Thankfully the Dr loved me, and had my position changed to manager of her office. I just got to sit back and watch him burn the top selling store in the reagon, and 8th in the company to the ground. He was fired, our old manager was transferred back to us, and I resumed training to become a manager. It took 5 months for us to regain our top sales positions. Idiots!
Always do exactly what the manager wants done. Don't argue, just comply. Then when everything goes into the toilet, the answer why is because you were told to by your manager. They will try and blame you for the disaster, but "the manager told me to" will refocus eyes onto the manager.
If a sign is in the back room, and not out front on display for customers ti see, that means the items shown on the sign aren't available. And it won't do any good asking for them.
9:30 you know it’s bad when the Karen ends up aiding you, inadvertently
It's called the Peter principle. People get management positions like this because they rise to the level of their incompetence. They may have been good at whatever level they were beforehand and they got hired or promoted above that and they're not well suited for that position as they were in their previous position.
if i was the contractor. i would applied for a demo permit to remove part of the complainant home to bring it in to code compliance.
Story 3 - working in the produce section of a grocery store, the last few weeks, customers keep asking about certain items. Sadly, we tend to be out, as the supplier has to do some major cleaning at their facility, or we're changing suppliers, or thanks to recent weather, stuck several hours away. Haven't had any complain too much when they get told that we don't have it, when we look in the back, just to make sure that the stuff didn't magically show up - I also suggest that they check out our competition, just in case they got luckier.
Story 6: I work in Title and Abstract and we get these disputes brought to us. Usually it gets solved pretty quickly, we use GIS (Global Imaging Satellite) on a website as well as the documents involved to find out exactly where the line is for the client. Sometimes though we do have to get a surveyor because one of the neighbors ends up being a Karen.
My favorite story is about an Easement though, and the misunderstanding thereof. So, one neighbor had an easement (basically allowing usage on his property that's recorded on the property) with his old neighbor, whom got along great with the land owner, and he used this as a driveway (even had it paved for the neighbor, from my understanding). The neighbor eventually sold his property to some 30-something hothead and said hothead immediately had an issue with the land owner having someone mow and trim trees up to and on both sides of the driveway. Long story short, the back and forth and pettiness ended in the land owner drafting a cancelation of the easement and telling the guy he had to make his own driveway through his own land. Guy ignored that and so the land owner had massive construction stakes of some kind pounded into the center and sides of the driveway to make it impossible to drive over.
Just saying, clearing a shit load of trees and making a new driveway is expensive, and time consuming. I have no idea what happened to them after that, I only know the entitled neighbor called us to complain about it like we can do something to fix a guy putting stakes or posts or whatever into his own property.
When you find Dark Fluff, like I did, you'll never go back. This is excellent!
Op does exactly what manager says
Manager this is insubordination 🙄
That's was the funniest thing she got those idiots shut down and out of business
Ooooh, my favorite.... malicious compliance....
Forsythia can be cut back and given a nice shape and it still have a lot of flowers.
Yeah, I suspect OP was being a little overbearing from the start.
Story 1- I thought the manager was implying to just grab any muffins and act like they were special and if OP didn't know what he meant that asking others to help that they would figure it out.
that would make sense, but obviously not what the manager meant
@@timq6224 Yeah, I know but that is just what I thought at first. As the story went on I realized that wasn't the case.
... A flat wooden toothpick inserted into a lock and then snapped off flush *can* work wonders. Prevents earwigs from getting through the door :P
Story 3: Damn, that Karen did an unintentional good deed by getting OP's incompetent boss fired.
Lol. In the muffins story my immediate thought was "sure, we have some left", and packing the Karen some of the other normal muffins for twice their price
"I always wonder how people like this get manager positions."
Nepotism, mostly.
That last guy was pretty nice. Letting them use the part of their house that was over the property line but only threatening to use it for advertizing. I'd have threatened to get a chain saw and cut off that part of his house. And he'd have 24 hours to remove that part of the house from my property.
Anyone who has worked in retail knows......put signs that are irrelevant, out of sight. It is going to happen.
Story 5- it’s not who you know, it’s who you blow
Something very similar happened when my Roommates and I last moved house: Our former landlord wrote us about how not only was she taking our deposit, but she was charging us 300 dollars to clean the "mess" we left her (note: we spent multiple days clearing the place out and cleaning up, to the point where we weren't getting any rest between work and moving.) Thankfully in our state we are legally allowed to ask for an itemized list of expenses in this case and we did, and clearly the landlord was banking on us not knowing that because in her next message she was asking for details to cut US a check, because it turns out our "expensive mess" was less than our deposit after all XD
I'll answer why certain idiots end up in management positions. Failing upward. In some businesses, and especially in government civil service, it is easier to promote someone out of a department than to actually fire them. This causes the stupidest people to ascend to the highest level of these entities. Not 100% of the time, but over the years I've seen it happen an uncomfortable amount of times.
The last story reminded me of an old landlord I had who had troubles with a neighbor because my landlord moved a mobile home on some land between their houses that landlord owned. The neighbor complained that it was an eyesore and then tried to say it was too close to their house. Landlord hired a surveyer to find out if he needed to move it away from neighbors house. Finds out that the house was actually too close to my landlords house and had to be moved even closer to the neighbors. That was about 30 years ago and the moble home is still there and looks good after my landlord remodeled it.
Karen vs. Bad Manager
😂😅😅 Epic
Usually you only see "convenient cop" on the bad driving videos people put up 🙂
Former bouncer here. I loved that bar story 😂😂.
I’ve been reading these stories about bad management every single day (and all the others,too) and I do t have the words that say I am so happy that I’m old and haven’t worked in a very long time so I never have to run into such stupid people in management of so many different places. And wondering how they got that far - must be the stupid people who keep promoting them!!!!!
No. 4. Maybe the husband got a divorce after that?
Get a 5 am general with a dropped back axle and put a box on it haha
1st story, OP definitely take a idea from both the comment about a RV and the movie Roadhouse where Emmet rents barn to Dalton.... how's $25 month strike ya, can you handle that much 🤔:)
S1: Love the "Rent the space to an RV owner that needs a place to park" idea.
S2: Kick that kid out of future sales entirely.
S3: Saw this story elsewhere recently. Same reaction, boot her out of the store and ban her. The manager is just as bad/worse.
S4: The entertainment value in post-shutdown must've been great
S5: Very nice
S6: Hehehehe. Love it.
that question of yours... "I wonder how people like these get management positions." I could make a guess of knees or back.
Story 2: that was not a mama karen. A mama karen would have refused to pay and than left. This lady payed up, making her a reasonble parent to some degree.
Should have had the homeowner move that part of his house off your property in the last story
Depending on where you are you may be required to remove every part of your house within X feet of the property line by law. And of course that begs the question of whether the remaining portions would be structurally sound, and if not, It may be deemed uninhabitable until you tear even more down and rebuild with the new allowable build area in mind.
@@vladildikan even better
let story 3 be a lesson, always promote into managerial positions, never hire them from outside. a good manager is someone who knows what its like to be the people they manage.
Nah, there's plenty of horror stories of great peers turning into shitty managers as soon as they think they're above their former peers
Story #5: Urine (you're in) big trouble, Karen!
Yes, we all saw what you did there😜
Concerning the question about how managers like this get hired: they actually look for that type of personality. Only a few like the one in this story are that incompetent, most take much longer to mess up and hide their mistakes better. But basically, they look for the "crew boss" mentality.
Because like hires like
I used to drive for a camp in new hampshire long ago.. about 4 summers in the early 80's. One of the counselors was an absolute Adonis. No, I did not want to go on a date, I just noted his looks. He also had a bit of an ego to match: he looked good and he knew it. The camp was on one side of a small lake. On the other were summer bungalows that must have been occupied by the fossilized gentry of ages past, namely victorian little old ladies. Mind you, these bunch of biddies and bidets (older gents.. I know it has another meaning) would call and complain about EVERYTHING.
We had a small dock and they taught whatever camper wanted how to water ski. Well, Mr Adonis decided to have some fun with the victorian crew. Couple of counselors took the boat out and Mr Adonis went water skiing. Just before the boat 'hit it' he dropped his swim shorts. They then proceeded to zoom past the elderly spectators several times before returning to port. They hadn't even finished pass #2 before the phone was ringing off the hook. hahahahahahaha
Story 5 how do people like "Karen" end up with jobs in positions of management. Simple. They have the gift of the gab. They talk a big game, talk themselves up, then rely on everyone else around them to carry them while they flounder in their own verbal excrement. Or simply put... Sh!t floats....
I feel sorry for the children of the entitled mother in the muffin story because you know she kept hyping those muffins the whole time, and probably hyped them up on the way to the store as well.
*”We’re going to get these great muffins I heard about! They’re going to be so good!”
*”That dumb worker said there weren’t any of the special muffins, but I made the manager make things right! Thanks to Mommy we’ll soon have our delicious muffins!”
*”It’s taking so long because they’re making fresh, delicious muffins just for us! They’ll be worth the wait!”
*”I don’t know what’s taking the stupid workers so long, but the muffins will be free as an apology for us having to wait so long, and they’ll probably bring us extra ones too!”
Etc. etc. until they found there really weren’t any muffins, and they waited all this time for nothing because Mommy was an entitled, delusional idiot who couldn’t accept no for an answer and the manger was an idiot who couldn’t be bothered to say, “When we say we don’t have them, we don’t have them, so order something else or leave.” I wonder how long it takes these children to stop trusting these entitled parents who promise everything and rarely deliver anything.
Divorce for that Karen incoming lmao
Well that's the first time a Karen actually done something good to help out other employees and got someone fired and it was the right one to boot
That muffin story was the best, truly shows how dumb and awful people are.
Growing up we had a a decent chunk of land and our neighbor was ver... um particular about the property line because his house was basically built right on the edge e so he could use our driveway (which we allowed). We had a brick placed in the ground to mark where his ended and ours began and serval times he moved the brick further and further until he was claiming that he "owned our driveway" and all the area around it so we just stopped mowing that area and said that if he owned all of this he can take care of it which made his house look god awful. Then continued using the driveway because no matter what "the brick says" we knew what the law was. Our house was far enough away that it didn't really bother us.
Property line issues are always easy to solve. All it takes is a surveyor armed with a building plan to settle the issue.
Gotta love the mom in the second story, helping her kid both by making the cookies and making sure they didn’t lose their money to the piece of shit neighbor kid/mom
In story 3 wow a Karen actually helped 😮😮😮😮 it’s a miracle she helped get rid of a crappy manager by demanding help from the manager. Oh the irony
That bar story reminds me the time I was on a volunteer fire department. At the local bar that was known ,if your tall enough to put money on the bar, you can served. We were at our table(all of age), start to notice the county deputies in plain clothes. I asked one wants up, he smiled and said them & state police will be checking all ID'S. After they took the minors away, the bar was 1/2 empty.
Second story is great
That would be a good idea rent the spot to other people for there RV
Story 5... @DarkFluff, people get management positions often by being friends of the upper management, having taken 'classes' on managing but not having any experience so look good on paper. Sadly, it is rare for workers to be promoted to being the supervisor, then manager... they are never given that sort of duties.
There are classes managers have to take to get degrees in certain office skills. Workers are never offered these, so they never can be considered for manager jobs.
@@kimmccarthy7747 Even if they are more qualified for the position.
Well then they'd have to find a new peasant to take the laborers place. And since most companies would rather keep a skeleton crew to save money, rather than keep an extra one or two people to keep things running smoothly in case even one person has to call in, that would leave them understaffed and that would be bad for business.
In a very long career I've worked Retail, Hospitality, Sales and Customer Service as well as becoming a College Lecturer in Psychology and an Accredited Trainer for the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development. My considered professional opinion is that far too many "customers" are rude, ignorant pigs who shouldn't be allowed out in Decent Society and most Managers are Toxic Disablers that should never be allowed any Supervisory Roles at all.
I make it a point of Social Responsibility to be polite and show gratitude for EVERYONE who provides Service to me in whatever capacity it may be. To be friendly and warm towards them because I know they've been abused and denigrated by those not fit to tie their shoelaces!