I think that Gege is trying to demonstrate how serious the consequences are of breaking binding vows with others by showing that no one is willing to do it - even the most powerful beings.
I think thats exactly what he’s doing too. At one point Sukuna almost broke one, and not even Sukuna knew if he was about to just instantly die or not. Luckily for him, he didn’t break the vow and nothing happened.
Showing the consequences would actually be more effective to communicate that idea so that the audience has an actual example to refer back to in their minds of why they should be concerned about a character breaking a binding vow
Binding Vows are basically the core component of Jujutsu. There is also a theory that they are the reason cursed techniques exist. Think about it like this, how did inherited cursed techniques come to be? Maybe the clan heads made a binding vow to pass down their techniques to their bloodline. Anyways, that's just speculation. Binding vows are extremely important for a sorcerer in numerous ways. It's like equivalent exchange. To keep the balance in the world. Your videos are pretty accurate, by the way. Unlike a lot of other JJK channels, you actually give out the information in a understandable and spoiler-free way.
Pretty fun to think about. But that wouldn't explain why not all members of the clan exhibit their inherited techniques, right? Like Naobito and Naoya with the Ten Shadows? It seems to me that the inheritance follows normal rules of genetics. You can argue that Gege would never give a single damn about science in a fictional story, but to me this seems pretty similar to the Kekkei Genkai from Naruto.
@@SneakNationCEOcould be that there is only one of the inheritable technique at any given point? I mean naobito and naoya have pretty similar techniques so they follow genetics. But the six eyes and ten shadows only have one user at any point
there are other ways to ensure that inherited cts are passed down......by inbreeding...but what op said feels true since megumi inherited 10 shadows when his mom was some random person
Binding vows also only attaches or works on the body! An example this is when Kenjaku made his vows with those sorcerers from the previous eras for his present plan. He exchanged vows with those sorcerers but he wasn't harmed when he didn't do his part of the vow cuz the moment he changes body, the vow is essentially void.
@@jayg.2066sukkana still had to work under the vows terms. He doesn’t the body switch sometimes after shibuya incident. Also he still has Yuji’s body when he gets his end of the deal
sukuna's vow with yuji wasn't voided but rather, its done. the conditions are already met so their vow is over. sukuna did not hurt anyone (aside from yuji which was not specified in their vow) when he had control of the body so, he did not violate the vow and completed it so now its over. yuji got the short end of the stick, smh.
I find it funny how you can add the concept of explaining your abilities to your opponent which will make it stronger to literally every other shonen and it would make sense 😭
Can you make a binding vow like sacrificing your durability by making it 10 times weaker but your strength is increased 1000 times can you just one shot everyone or is there a limit
its like more you gave away=more you get its why heavenly restrictions are HEAVENLY your body is so fragile that even moonlight burns it but you can control cursed energy robots all over japan have enormous cursed energy reserves or have body so strong that even one of the three strongest clans cant even keep up to you but you have no cursed energy. so yeah, its based on how much you sacrifice and on my head canon, cursed energy output beacuse like, if you we can get 1000 times more fragile for 1000 times more strength, then i would just do that binding vow mili second before attacking the enemy so my attacks are gonna get multiplied like i hit 250 black flashes at once. in sukuna vs gojo, they made few binding vows that im not gonna say beacuse of the spoilers but they gave a lot more things than the others but also took a lot of energy from them.
Yes but it has to be proportional, you can't ask for 1000x strength but only give away a 10th of your durability. Mahito actually does this with his transformation "Instant Spirit Body of Distorted Killing". He trades his further metamorphosis for insane durability
Mahito's polymorphic soul isomer transfigured humans have that exact thing but he didn't achieve it with a binding vow, it was a byproduct of his technique. A binding vow like that wouldn't be sustainable too much risk very little benefit. With Mahito's transfigured humans it doesn't matter, they're expendable to him. There's no point in it if you can get killed with one hit, but for multiple expendable transfigured humans makes sense in battle.
Well with your idea prepare for you to just be deas as your muscles will simply break your bones before you even touched the enemy,a more realistic vow is like becoming 10x stronger but your muscles break down if you do it for more than 10 seconds or something
Exactly lol. It's like when Kuropika made it so originally his techniques only worked on the Phantom Troupe. Which in turn made them MUCH more powerful. But of course he changed this eventually, but in turn made the moves slightly less effective. He's still a specialist anyways so can't complain too much haha
Imagine that you binding vow yourself to not do regular day bad habits like smocking cigars and drinking booze for riskier discipline. You can do those bad things for the specific time like you can only do those things on Friday or something. In exchange for minor yet effective power-ups! I wonder if you can adjust the penalty to yourselves in order to know what will happen to you if you break it. Like the example I gave before, you drink booze or smoke cigars on times that is not in friday or the time you binding vow yourself to allow you to do those things. You get penalized for example, by getting severe blood coughing in the guts for a certain amount of time or something you put into it. And I wish that when even though you penalized yourselves by the binding vow. The vow is still there with you for a longer time for longer self discipline or punishment or something. Hope something like this happens in jjk!
Was the binding vow between Yuji and Sukana broken in the Shibuya arc? Because Sukana is out for ages and kills thousands of people. But after all the fights Yuji says to Choso that he feels basically fine; and he thinks that it’s because of Sukana getting stronger (eating more fingers). If Yuji feels fine then Sukana is healing him which was his end of the binding vow. I’m a lil confused
Sukuna getting out in shibuya wasnt by the binding vow. Yuji was fed too many fingers all at once to physically keep up so sukuna was forcibly put into control of the body for an amount of time
The binding bow between sukuna and yuji to not hurt anyone is only when sukuna says a certain phrase. In Shibuya he didn’t say the phrase to get out but instead took over when yuji was fed a ton of fingers, so sukuna wasn’t restricted by the binding vow between them
@@obe1_kenobi The thing is, the vow Miwa made wasn't long term. She specified that it was for that one swing and one swing alone. She asked for more power in that swing in exchange for never swinging a Katana ever again. So the binding vow is permanent
Well not unbreakable more like the deal is done its too late to regret it if before kenjaku stopped her sword sge would have made tge vow null all good but she didnt although she can use an axe or something @@obe1_kenobi
I like the concept of binding vows but lately it seems like they've been used as more of a cop-out. All Gege has to do is say, "Oh Sakuna made a binding vow with himself and that's why he has his domain, etc."
Did you know that it was based on Hunter x Hunter concept vows and restrictions where the higher the restrictions and risk, the stronger the ability gets
Could you make a heavenly restriction stack with a binding vow? Is it possible for Maki, or was it for Toji? For example, could Yuji make a binding vow that even further increases his physical strength?
In season two it’s revealed that toji gets a boost by explaining his abilities which is a form of binding vow so with the evidence we have yeah they could.
Cleave/Dismantle is, to my knowledge, deliberately unexplained in JJK, because Sukuna has never found an enemy powerful enough for him to need the boost from explaining his technique. As a result, even if we can see what it has been capable of doing, we don't know what exactly it does.
@@zacharybosley1935 you mean he never found an enemy powerful enough for him to need the boost from explaining his technique that he can normally hit with Cleave/Dismantle.
Not likely. Breaking a binding vow of any kind results in some form of punishment or reprisal, depending on the nature of the pact, kinda like how irl contracts work. You breach the agreed contract, you get some backlash. Breaking a selfmade vow usually just means your punishment is loosing the benefits of the vow. However, Miwa's vow is a one-time done deal of an enhanced sword swing, she can not lose the benefits since she already expended it but that doesn't mean she can go back on her terms. She's forced to comply to her self-imposed terms, and while she can in theory just ignore it and use a sword anyway, since she cannot lose the benefits of her pact then her cursed energy would just punish her some other way for breaching contract.
She should have made that binding vow on a spear or something she didn't spend her life trying to master. Sure, she's more skilled with a sword, but picking something she's not as proficient with is therefore riskier, so it should have a greater effect (wouldn't have mattered against Kenjaku, but she was going to make a binding vow regardless to try to be useful/get revenge, etc). It's really a loophole, but words matter in contracts. Good thing she didn't give up all weapons, at least
@@SneakNationCEO Yeah jjk was inspired by HxH and bleach as confirmed, i dont think being inspired by naruto was every officially stated, but i wouldn't be surprised if naruto also had a impact on JJK secretly. This is also one of the reasons i like JJK this much, its basically all the good parts of all the good shounen blended in a new and unorthodoxical way.
I would like to mention that maybe there exists no such thing as the binding vow in the jjk universe but rather it is to do with the confidence and emotions of the cursed energy user cause as we see multiple times Sukuna telling people that they should just destroy everything around them or be selfish as that is the way towards being the strongest
@@ErenYeager-me4em because binding vows as a concept is explicitly explained by Sukuna to Yuji. Not only that but the way they are used later in the manga clearly shows why “binding vows” are so important
@@requiem4391 Sukuna told Yuuji "This is a binding vow, I'll be the one who is punished if I break it" the way I see it is that when you break a binding vow it effects your confidence and emotions consciously or subconsciously which effects your cursed energy output
heavenly restrictions seem to impossible to replicate from the looks of it, otherwise people would be making them all the time to be like toji and maki, every 4th grade sorcerer would in fact. its a restriction imposed on you from birth that can never be removed through convential means, mechamaru's being the exception because mahito permanently altered his soul and body
@danjan4941 sukana did not break any vow, because he didn't use the vow to take control, being forced fed his finger made him take control without need of the binding vow.
This is my beef with season 2. Its established if the user reveal their technique, it becomes stronger. THEN WHY IN SEASON 2 WE HAVE A RANDOM ASS OLD LADY TO EXPLAIN SOMEONES TECHNIQUE. Choso could explain very simply " I have blood manipulation, my main technique is Piercing Blood. Its a laser ". BUT NO, WE HAVE A GRANNY INSTEAD
The lady isn't a replacement to explain the technique. She's literally a narrator. In the manga, Choso never revealed his technique to Yuji to strengthen it. The narrator aka the author explained it so that the viewer has an easier time to understand what's going on. You can compare it with Naobito (the old man Zenin) who revealed his frame rate technique in both manga and anime. Btw, there was no old lady voice in S1 since the studio used voice actors of other characters for the narrative explanations (for example, the flashback about Death Paintings was narrated by Geto's voice actor). However, since a lot of narrative lines are present in the Shubya arc, a separate voice actor was hired as a narrator.
@@dimaudalow isnt Geto / Kenjaku the ones that use Death Paintings to make Choso and his brothers. If so then it make sense for him to know about it. As for the sudden need for naration, thats just shitty writing in Gege's part. There is no reason whatsoever for Choso or the mask summoner dude to hide their technique
@@chongwillson972 Read the manga, not gonna spoil it for you. The deal Yuji took was the one Sukuna made after the first one saying if he could beat him the Sukuna would do what he wanted no questions asked, he then proceeded to slice Yuji once he accepted. Yuji outright denied the first deal.
@@Bori.1776 read it again, sukana said he would revive yuji with no conditions if yuji wins , but if sukana wins yuji accepts sukana binding vow, and then yuji accepts it. what did you think was the point of the whole thing of the "if you beat me" deal was about?
It's a really clever way to let characters explain their abilities in universe without it being out of place. Unlike in other series, where writers make characters explain their abilities, basically for the reader, but it doesn't make sense as to why they would be explaining it mid battle in front of their opponent.
@@v3rm If I were to explain why I think it's still out of place, here are the arguments that I would present: - Creating a mechanic within your story to justify characters halting the progress of a fight to stop and explain abilities, doesn't change the fact that the act of doing so is still clunky storytelling. Breaking up the pace of fights to explain the mechanics of abilities reads as an excuse to not need to explain things before they become relevant in your story. A general rule of thumb in storytelling is to establish the crucial elements of a conflict that may lead to its resolution before they become immediately relevant, and failure to do so is often a flaw in writing, with exceptions of course - Many situations where characters explain their ability don't appear to have a substantial impact on their performance in the fight in a way that necessitates a magic story mechanic to boost their capabilities by explaining it. For instance, Boogie Woogie's effectiveness lies largely in the war of information, and it becomes effective against an opponent regardless of what he tells them if he doesn't tell them everything about how it works. And it's impossible to judge specifically in what ways his technique is improved by him explaining it. It's vague enough that you only accept the character explaining his power because the story justifies it with a mechanic - Without a substantial change in a sorcerer's performance after explaining their technique, the act of explaining your technique in favor of a buff doesn't appear to be worth the advantage of your opponent not knowing how your ability works, which might explain why tons of sorcerers don't bother to utilize the mechanic. The inversion Sorcerer for instance wouldn't benefit from explaining his technique and neither would a lot of other sorcerers Overall, it's a plot device that serves to justify the writer using the same kind of writing crutch that other shonen writers use without substantiating it enough to justify its existence within the story as a whole
@@v3rm If I were to explain why I think it's still out of place, here are the arguments that I would present: - Creating a mechanic within your story to justify characters halting the progress of a fight to stop and explain abilities, doesn't change the fact that the act of doing so is still clunky storytelling. Breaking up the pace of fights to explain the mechanics of abilities reads as an excuse to not need to explain things before they become relevant in your story. A general rule of thumb in storytelling is to establish the crucial elements of a conflict that may lead to its resolution before they become immediately relevant, and failure to do so is often a flaw in writing, with exceptions of course - Many situations where characters explain their ability don't appear to have a substantial impact on their performance in the fight in a way that necessitates a magic story mechanic to boost their capabilities by explaining it. For instance, Boogie Woogie's effectiveness lies largely in the war of information, and it becomes effective against an opponent regardless of what he tells them if he doesn't tell them everything about how it works. And it's impossible to judge specifically in what ways his technique is improved by him explaining it. It's vague enough that you only accept the character explaining his power because the story justifies it with a mechanic - Without a substantial change in a sorcerer's performance after explaining their technique, the act of explaining your technique in favor of a buff doesn't appear to be worth the advantage of your opponent not knowing how your ability works, which might explain why tons of sorcerers don't bother to utilize the mechanic. The inversion Sorcerer for instance wouldn't benefit from explaining his technique and neither would a lot of other sorcerers Overall, it's a plot device that serves to justify the writer using the same kind of writing crutch that other shonen writers use without substantiating it enough to justify its existence within the story as a whole
In this case, it would depend on the other person to accept it, like in season one when sukuna offered yuji the vow to take full control of his body for a particular amount of time when he says a particular word and he won't remember what happened after it, in exchange for healing him. The only reason it stood was because yuji accepted.
that can happen but only if both parties are willing for the exchange but also, how would the other obtain the innate technique? unless you had geto's CT that kenjaku used that may be impossible
@@aniyapeachBy binding vow? Yuta made binding vow with Higher Ups. Like Yuta did kill Yuji and DIDN'T had to drag Yuji to the higher ups. By that, he completed the binding vow automatically, when he killed Yuji, he didn't had to show Yuji to higher up and have their agreement of Yuta completing the binding vow. That means that Binding Vows works through distances by completing conditions.
Oddly enough my friend who watched HxH who is now getting into JJK asked me about binding vow and the explanation i give to him is just to think of it like kurapika's chain jail and he got the concept in an instant
Cursed Energy is VERY similar to Nen lol. Can't deny the inspiration Hunter x Hunter had for Jujutsus power system. Even if of course theres separate aspects to both
I think BVs are an interesting concept due to how they interact with the world. "Revealing ones hand" likely doesn't just make your technique more powerful by itself, but it also forces your opponent to now think about how you would use your technique at any given point. The best example I can think of here is how Hanami was forced to re-think the fight after Todo explained Boogie Woogie. Now she had to think about when he would swap and when he would fake it out. What kinds of things he can swap etc etc, which can easily lead you to overthink and make a mistake. Nanamis Overtime technically increases his risk of going into overtime at work, since there could be scenarios where those missing % during his worktime could be enough to finish a fight before he has to go into Overtime, while the latter part of it allows him to get off the clock at work quicker once he is in overtime. That just perfectly encapsulates his personality of hating overtime, but still being a diligent worker.
my current theory is that the first broken binding vow will come from sukuna and itadori due to itadori having no recollection of the keyword that forces him to switch, and remembering the vow at all will cause him to break the conditions as well, forcing a lose-lose situation
2:45 I think mechamaru can be used as an example of someone breaking the binding vow(heavenly pact in this case) as he fixed his body using Idle transformation and as we see despite his amount of preparation, he still died and many of his friends and acquaintances got hurt or died(and he couldn't prevent it despite setting up many puppets just in case he died) and before all of this happens, kenjaku mentions that they shouldn't break a binding vow because you wouldn't know in what way or when you'll get punished
Mechamaru did not break the binding vow though. Mechamaru was set up to gain and give information to kenjaku and mahito in exchange for mahito fixing his body. Everything which happened later has nothing to do with binding vow since the vow was completed when mahito fixed mechamaru.
@@LegendaryGoku22 I am not talking about the binding vow between kenjaku and Mechamaru, Am talking about the the heavenly pact by which Mechamaru was granted large amount of CE and could control his puppets at a really long range in exchange for which he had a really weak body which couldn't even withstand sunlight but he broke that binding vow(heavenly restriction) by healing his body using Idle transfiguration
@@ErenYeager-me4em no, the trade is a pact made between his parents and the cursed energy and HE is the object. Also there is no certainty as the specifications of the pact as it could be that he would have all that taken away from him in that moment but no statement as if he should ever recover it
how yuuji forgot about the vow sukuna made with him if he needs to "purposely" forget as a condition to the vow? did he forget because of the effect of the vow? i don't get it because breaking a vow is a thing so curse users have to follow the condition in order the effect/return/benefit to be effective.
yeah Sukuna made one of the conditions of the deal is that Yuji would forget they made the deal, Yujis goofy ass lost the fight immediately, so the deal ended up getting applied[Sukuna will heal him, but he gets his body+Yuji is forced to forget he made the deal](Sukuna said if he won, he'd bring him back with no restrictions)
In making a binding vow both parties must agree to the conditions that were set. Yuji on the other hand does not understand the weight of the vow being made and he just assumes sukuna is just talking, also assuming he can beat sukuna lol. Basically he accepts the terms and conditions without understanding the whole thing lmao.
Assuming the binding vow wasn't something as long term as say, "I'll never do something that is really important to me again" *cough* Miwa *cough* then yes. It's all about the wording. If one of the conditions is making a vow to never do something in exchange for a benefit, then you can break the vow, lose the benefit, and remake it later since you lost the benefit. In Miwa's case, she said that if she didn't kill Geto with that one swing, she'd never swing a sword again, and since she didn't, the condition of not swinging a sword stays in effect. Since she already used the benefit of the vow, if she breaks it, some kind of bad thing will happen since she is breaking her conditions that she set.
That was the first offered vow, however Yuji denied that vow. Sukuna offered a second binding vow where if Yuji beat him in a fight he would revive him with no restrictions. However, if Yuji lost then Sukuna will revive him but whenever Sukuna says "extension" he gets control of Yuji's body for 15 minutes and Yuji will also forget he made the binding vow. Yuji overconfidently accepts these terms and is then immediately beaten by Sukuna in the fight.
@SomeDudeOutThereInTheWorld The thing is that in Shibuya, Sukuna got forcibly awakened in Yuji's body because of the 10 fingers he ate which overwhelmed Yuji's ability to supress him temporarily, not because of their binding vow. That means their pact still stands and Sukuna can still use it in the future.
MANGA SPOILERS only for those curious: Sukuna still made the binding vow of getting yuji’s body for 1 min and cant hurt anybody. He actually uses this the manga where he forcefully took control of yuji’s body using the vow and gave one of his fingers to megumi, making him switch vessels. That was the only reason he made that vow and he also didnt hurt anybody which satisfies the vow
Was Miwa's bv a personal one? She said stated that she will never wield a sword again in return to give one "powerful" slash against kenjaku, personla vb when broken just remove the advantaje that you got by making it, so, what will happen if Miwa wields a sword ever again? Was it a personal bv? If it wasnt, who did she made it with? If it's a personal bv what will be the advantaje that she will be taken away?
Binding vows with other people usually results in death when broken. This is explained with Sukuna and yuji when he revives him and mahito with mechamaru when he gave him information in return to remove his heavenly restriction
@@Abracadabra-21 Not really. The animation of the chains pulling in just shows that he'll be punished. And in the scene with Mechamaru, Kenjaku literally states that binding vows have an "uncertain nature of the penalty". Meaning even he doesn't know what would happen and he's been alive for over 1000 years
Binding vows remind me of Nen restrictions. They work exactly that way, the harsher the restriction the stronger the Nen becomes. It’s crazy seeing how much hxh has influenced JJK.
This makes me think, Sukuna and Kenjaku have a binding vow I’ve heard from a friend deeper in the series than me and we dont know what it even is. Since we dont know what happens once you breaking a binding vow with someone else, I predict that either Sukuna or Kenjaku are going to break their binding vow somehow. Just a small fan theory so meh
That "basically" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Even if it's theoretically possible, the sorcerers of JJK all pretty universally look down on anyone without cursed energy. The concept of becoming another Invisible Man would be utterly foreign to the vast majority of them.
Part of the importance of Heavenly Restriction is that you don't get to choose it, which makes the buff stronger. Also many theorie that Toji and Maki are so strong because they are born in a clan that despises people with no CE, so their loss is even greater and they get a greater buff.
So is it possible to give up something for more RCT output? Because why didn’t Gojo do that when his RCT was exhausted might’ve saved his life as well, or maybe i overlooked it.
I think that Gege is trying to demonstrate how serious the consequences are of breaking binding vows with others by showing that no one is willing to do it - even the most powerful beings.
I think thats exactly what he’s doing too. At one point Sukuna almost broke one, and not even Sukuna knew if he was about to just instantly die or not. Luckily for him, he didn’t break the vow and nothing happened.
@@Burdshiterwas that the vow of not hurting yuji’s friends during the extension time?
@@wyvern-reportthe vow was technically not hurt anyone else, he was glad biting off his/Yuji finger wasn’t going to cause backlash
Showing the consequences would actually be more effective to communicate that idea so that the audience has an actual example to refer back to in their minds of why they should be concerned about a character breaking a binding vow
@@michaeleanthonyjrnah, showing that no one is willing to break it is more of an effect imo
Binding Vows are basically the core component of Jujutsu. There is also a theory that they are the reason cursed techniques exist. Think about it like this, how did inherited cursed techniques come to be? Maybe the clan heads made a binding vow to pass down their techniques to their bloodline. Anyways, that's just speculation. Binding vows are extremely important for a sorcerer in numerous ways. It's like equivalent exchange. To keep the balance in the world.
Your videos are pretty accurate, by the way. Unlike a lot of other JJK channels, you actually give out the information in a understandable and spoiler-free way.
Pretty fun to think about. But that wouldn't explain why not all members of the clan exhibit their inherited techniques, right? Like Naobito and Naoya with the Ten Shadows? It seems to me that the inheritance follows normal rules of genetics.
You can argue that Gege would never give a single damn about science in a fictional story, but to me this seems pretty similar to the Kekkei Genkai from Naruto.
@@SneakNationCEOcould be that there is only one of the inheritable technique at any given point? I mean naobito and naoya have pretty similar techniques so they follow genetics. But the six eyes and ten shadows only have one user at any point
Yuji is gonna fold everyone if willpower is a part fo jujutsu sinds he made a vow to kill cursed spirits aslong as he breathes thats his purpose
there are other ways to ensure that inherited cts are passed down......by inbreeding...but what op said feels true since megumi inherited 10 shadows when his mom was some random person
Binding vows also only attaches or works on the body! An example this is when Kenjaku made his vows with those sorcerers from the previous eras for his present plan. He exchanged vows with those sorcerers but he wasn't harmed when he didn't do his part of the vow cuz the moment he changes body, the vow is essentially void.
Yeah Sukunas vow with Yujie
@@jayg.2066sukkana still had to work under the vows terms. He doesn’t the body switch sometimes after shibuya incident. Also he still has Yuji’s body when he gets his end of the deal
@@unnamed6650 When he transfers to Megumi i mean. Thats when the vow becomes void
sukuna's vow with yuji wasn't voided but rather, its done. the conditions are already met so their vow is over. sukuna did not hurt anyone (aside from yuji which was not specified in their vow) when he had control of the body so, he did not violate the vow and completed it so now its over. yuji got the short end of the stick, smh.
I find it funny how you can add the concept of explaining your abilities to your opponent which will make it stronger to literally every other shonen and it would make sense 😭
The fact Gege put it in his work and actually worked it in a way where there's times where you have NO idea what the power being used are
miwa made a binding vow with herself, for a sure hit with her katana, but she failed and now can't even draw a sword from its sheath again.
then make another one
Can you make a binding vow like sacrificing your durability by making it 10 times weaker but your strength is increased 1000 times can you just one shot everyone or is there a limit
its like
more you gave away=more you get
its why heavenly restrictions are HEAVENLY
your body is so fragile that even moonlight burns it but you can control cursed energy robots all over japan have enormous cursed energy reserves
or have body so strong that even one of the three strongest clans cant even keep up to you but you have no cursed energy.
so yeah, its based on how much you sacrifice and on my head canon, cursed energy output beacuse like, if you we can get 1000 times more fragile for 1000 times more strength, then i would just do that binding vow mili second before attacking the enemy so my attacks are gonna get multiplied like i hit 250 black flashes at once. in sukuna vs gojo, they made few binding vows that im not gonna say beacuse of the spoilers but they gave a lot more things than the others but also took a lot of energy from them.
Yes but it has to be proportional, you can't ask for 1000x strength but only give away a 10th of your durability. Mahito actually does this with his transformation "Instant Spirit Body of Distorted Killing". He trades his further metamorphosis for insane durability
Kinda like rpg stats
Mahito's polymorphic soul isomer transfigured humans have that exact thing but he didn't achieve it with a binding vow, it was a byproduct of his technique. A binding vow like that wouldn't be sustainable too much risk very little benefit. With Mahito's transfigured humans it doesn't matter, they're expendable to him. There's no point in it if you can get killed with one hit, but for multiple expendable transfigured humans makes sense in battle.
Well with your idea prepare for you to just be deas as your muscles will simply break your bones before you even touched the enemy,a more realistic vow is like becoming 10x stronger but your muscles break down if you do it for more than 10 seconds or something
The binding vow reminds me of the way Nen restrictions were explained in HxH.
It's just nen. I wish we could see what happens when we see a bv between parties.
Exactly lol. It's like when Kuropika made it so originally his techniques only worked on the Phantom Troupe. Which in turn made them MUCH more powerful.
But of course he changed this eventually, but in turn made the moves slightly less effective. He's still a specialist anyways so can't complain too much haha
binding vows with someone else are so high cost neither sukuna nor kenjaku even so much so as want to attempt to see what could happen.
Imagine that you binding vow yourself to not do regular day bad habits like smocking cigars and drinking booze for riskier discipline. You can do those bad things for the specific time like you can only do those things on Friday or something. In exchange for minor yet effective power-ups! I wonder if you can adjust the penalty to yourselves in order to know what will happen to you if you break it. Like the example I gave before, you drink booze or smoke cigars on times that is not in friday or the time you binding vow yourself to allow you to do those things. You get penalized for example, by getting severe blood coughing in the guts for a certain amount of time or something you put into it. And I wish that when even though you penalized yourselves by the binding vow. The vow is still there with you for a longer time for longer self discipline or punishment or something. Hope something like this happens in jjk!
Was the binding vow between Yuji and Sukana broken in the Shibuya arc? Because Sukana is out for ages and kills thousands of people. But after all the fights Yuji says to Choso that he feels basically fine; and he thinks that it’s because of Sukana getting stronger (eating more fingers). If Yuji feels fine then Sukana is healing him which was his end of the binding vow. I’m a lil confused
Sukuna getting out in shibuya wasnt by the binding vow. Yuji was fed too many fingers all at once to physically keep up so sukuna was forcibly put into control of the body for an amount of time
The binding bow between sukuna and yuji to not hurt anyone is only when sukuna says a certain phrase. In Shibuya he didn’t say the phrase to get out but instead took over when yuji was fed a ton of fingers, so sukuna wasn’t restricted by the binding vow between them
Cool thanks for clarifying
@@ilhandaanish2381oh that make sense now
so miwa was so weak that even with a huge sacrifice for a binding vow and boost in her CE, it still didn't work againt geto-kenjaku?
Pretty much and special Grades are on a whole other level.
Poor girl
Miwa literally solos JJK what are you talking about?
If you break a self-made binding vow, can you remake the vow again?
Yes you can, like Kenjaku said, the most you can lose from a self made Binding Vow is the thing you are getting in return.
@@kazeguy8869 So Miwa could just break the binding vow she made in Shibuya to never swing a sword again?
@@obe1_kenobi The thing is, the vow Miwa made wasn't long term. She specified that it was for that one swing and one swing alone. She asked for more power in that swing in exchange for never swinging a Katana ever again. So the binding vow is permanent
@@kazeguy8869Oh ok. So there are some situations where a self-made binding vow is unbreakable. Makes sense
Well not unbreakable more like the deal is done its too late to regret it if before kenjaku stopped her sword sge would have made tge vow null all good but she didnt although she can use an axe or something @@obe1_kenobi
I like the concept of binding vows but lately it seems like they've been used as more of a cop-out. All Gege has to do is say, "Oh Sakuna made a binding vow with himself and that's why he has his domain, etc."
Did you know that it was based on Hunter x Hunter concept vows and restrictions where the higher the restrictions and risk, the stronger the ability gets
Could you make a heavenly restriction stack with a binding vow? Is it possible for Maki, or was it for Toji? For example, could Yuji make a binding vow that even further increases his physical strength?
Probably not cause at the minimum to perform a binding vow you have to be a sorcerer (someone that can control their ce)
In season two it’s revealed that toji gets a boost by explaining his abilities which is a form of binding vow so with the evidence we have yeah they could.
Was Miwa's slash to Geto in shibuya a binding vow? "Even if I can't swing the sword again"
Just put out a response to this ruclips.net/user/shortsvFexeuWUtUw?feature=share
I think the real question is if she can just break it with no penalty - since it would be a personal vow.
can you explain sukuna's technique
Cleave/Dismantle is, to my knowledge, deliberately unexplained in JJK, because Sukuna has never found an enemy powerful enough for him to need the boost from explaining his technique.
As a result, even if we can see what it has been capable of doing, we don't know what exactly it does.
@@zacharybosley1935
you mean he never found an enemy powerful enough for him to need the boost from explaining his technique that he can normally hit with Cleave/Dismantle.
@@zacharybosley1935 ... but thx
@chongwillson972 yes, that's exactly what I mean.
Basically nen contract
I didnt know nanami has a binding vow, i guest i really wasnt reading the subtitle XD
Then what about miwa she made a binding vow for a singular attack.
Does that mean she can just pick up a sword and carry on like nothing happend?
Not likely. Breaking a binding vow of any kind results in some form of punishment or reprisal, depending on the nature of the pact, kinda like how irl contracts work. You breach the agreed contract, you get some backlash.
Breaking a selfmade vow usually just means your punishment is loosing the benefits of the vow. However, Miwa's vow is a one-time done deal of an enhanced sword swing, she can not lose the benefits since she already expended it but that doesn't mean she can go back on her terms.
She's forced to comply to her self-imposed terms, and while she can in theory just ignore it and use a sword anyway, since she cannot lose the benefits of her pact then her cursed energy would just punish her some other way for breaching contract.
@@svenjra yeah that makes sense, thanks for explaining.
She should have made that binding vow on a spear or something she didn't spend her life trying to master. Sure, she's more skilled with a sword, but picking something she's not as proficient with is therefore riskier, so it should have a greater effect (wouldn't have mattered against Kenjaku, but she was going to make a binding vow regardless to try to be useful/get revenge, etc). It's really a loophole, but words matter in contracts. Good thing she didn't give up all weapons, at least
Thank you for the explanation. 😊
Huge hunterxhunter vibes
That's the point
JJK was heavily inspired by Hunter x Hunter, Bleach and Naruto. Gege said so himself.
@@SneakNationCEO Yeah jjk was inspired by HxH and bleach as confirmed, i dont think being inspired by naruto was every officially stated, but i wouldn't be surprised if naruto also had a impact on JJK secretly. This is also one of the reasons i like JJK this much, its basically all the good parts of all the good shounen blended in a new and unorthodoxical way.
Nen in hunter hunter is practically the same thing.
I would like to mention that maybe there exists no such thing as the binding vow in the jjk universe but rather it is to do with the confidence and emotions of the cursed energy user cause as we see multiple times Sukuna telling people that they should just destroy everything around them or be selfish as that is the way towards being the strongest
Nah, its a binding vow
@@requiem4391 Can you please tell me what is it that refutes this theory?
@@ErenYeager-me4em because binding vows as a concept is explicitly explained by Sukuna to Yuji. Not only that but the way they are used later in the manga clearly shows why “binding vows” are so important
@@requiem4391 Sukuna told Yuuji "This is a binding vow, I'll be the one who is punished if I break it" the way I see it is that when you break a binding vow it effects your confidence and emotions consciously or subconsciously which effects your cursed energy output
@@requiem4391 Also I am caught up with the latest chapter of the manga and I don't remember any event which refutes this theory?
Is Heavenly Restriction technically a sort of Binding Vow ?
Its the strongest type of binding vow lol
Correct. A Binding Vow of the highest order.
heavenly restrictions seem to impossible to replicate from the looks of it, otherwise people would be making them all the time to be like toji and maki, every 4th grade sorcerer would in fact. its a restriction imposed on you from birth that can never be removed through convential means, mechamaru's being the exception because mahito permanently altered his soul and body
didn't sukuna break the binding vow with yuuji when he killed a few hundred people in shibuya
Vow was made as a one time only back in s1, s2 shibuya arc sukuna just took over, no vows
@danjan4941
sukana did not break any vow, because he didn't use the vow to take control, being forced fed his finger made him take control without need of the binding vow.
@@chongwillson972 why tf you explaining it? Use your useless eyes. I already answered.
This is my beef with season 2. Its established if the user reveal their technique, it becomes stronger. THEN WHY IN SEASON 2 WE HAVE A RANDOM ASS OLD LADY TO EXPLAIN SOMEONES TECHNIQUE. Choso could explain very simply " I have blood manipulation, my main technique is Piercing Blood. Its a laser ". BUT NO, WE HAVE A GRANNY INSTEAD
The lady isn't a replacement to explain the technique. She's literally a narrator. In the manga, Choso never revealed his technique to Yuji to strengthen it. The narrator aka the author explained it so that the viewer has an easier time to understand what's going on.
You can compare it with Naobito (the old man Zenin) who revealed his frame rate technique in both manga and anime.
Btw, there was no old lady voice in S1 since the studio used voice actors of other characters for the narrative explanations (for example, the flashback about Death Paintings was narrated by Geto's voice actor).
However, since a lot of narrative lines are present in the Shubya arc, a separate voice actor was hired as a narrator.
@@dimaudalow isnt Geto / Kenjaku the ones that use Death Paintings to make Choso and his brothers. If so then it make sense for him to know about it. As for the sudden need for naration, thats just shitty writing in Gege's part. There is no reason whatsoever for Choso or the mask summoner dude to hide their technique
so like hunter x hunter with Nen
Yeah, overtime should be 150 % of the normal hourly rate. If he's not getting that, Nanami should hire a lawyer 😏
Example of this is kurapica's bind ohh wrong anime
Remember that Yuji denied the original offer that’s why Sukuna was able to massacre all of Shibuya, minor mistake but just a reminder.
@El-cacique
no yuji made the deal.
sukana was awakened against his will in Shibuya and did not use the deal him and yuji made.
@@chongwillson972 Read the manga, not gonna spoil it for you. The deal Yuji took was the one Sukuna made after the first one saying if he could beat him the Sukuna would do what he wanted no questions asked, he then proceeded to slice Yuji once he accepted. Yuji outright denied the first deal.
@@Bori.1776
read it again, sukana said he would revive yuji with no conditions if yuji wins , but if sukana wins yuji accepts sukana binding vow, and then yuji accepts it.
what did you think was the point of the whole thing of the "if you beat me" deal was about?
It's a really clever way to let characters explain their abilities in universe without it being out of place. Unlike in other series, where writers make characters explain their abilities, basically for the reader, but it doesn't make sense as to why they would be explaining it mid battle in front of their opponent.
Inspided by hunter x hunter
It's still out of place
@@michaeleanthonyjr thanks for explaining
@@v3rm If I were to explain why I think it's still out of place, here are the arguments that I would present:
- Creating a mechanic within your story to justify characters halting the progress of a fight to stop and explain abilities, doesn't change the fact that the act of doing so is still clunky storytelling. Breaking up the pace of fights to explain the mechanics of abilities reads as an excuse to not need to explain things before they become relevant in your story. A general rule of thumb in storytelling is to establish the crucial elements of a conflict that may lead to its resolution before they become immediately relevant, and failure to do so is often a flaw in writing, with exceptions of course
- Many situations where characters explain their ability don't appear to have a substantial impact on their performance in the fight in a way that necessitates a magic story mechanic to boost their capabilities by explaining it. For instance, Boogie Woogie's effectiveness lies largely in the war of information, and it becomes effective against an opponent regardless of what he tells them if he doesn't tell them everything about how it works. And it's impossible to judge specifically in what ways his technique is improved by him explaining it. It's vague enough that you only accept the character explaining his power because the story justifies it with a mechanic
- Without a substantial change in a sorcerer's performance after explaining their technique, the act of explaining your technique in favor of a buff doesn't appear to be worth the advantage of your opponent not knowing how your ability works, which might explain why tons of sorcerers don't bother to utilize the mechanic. The inversion Sorcerer for instance wouldn't benefit from explaining his technique and neither would a lot of other sorcerers
Overall, it's a plot device that serves to justify the writer using the same kind of writing crutch that other shonen writers use without substantiating it enough to justify its existence within the story as a whole
@@v3rm If I were to explain why I think it's still out of place, here are the arguments that I would present:
- Creating a mechanic within your story to justify characters halting the progress of a fight to stop and explain abilities, doesn't change the fact that the act of doing so is still clunky storytelling. Breaking up the pace of fights to explain the mechanics of abilities reads as an excuse to not need to explain things before they become relevant in your story. A general rule of thumb in storytelling is to establish the crucial elements of a conflict that may lead to its resolution before they become immediately relevant, and failure to do so is often a flaw in writing, with exceptions of course
- Many situations where characters explain their ability don't appear to have a substantial impact on their performance in the fight in a way that necessitates a magic story mechanic to boost their capabilities by explaining it. For instance, Boogie Woogie's effectiveness lies largely in the war of information, and it becomes effective against an opponent regardless of what he tells them if he doesn't tell them everything about how it works. And it's impossible to judge specifically in what ways his technique is improved by him explaining it. It's vague enough that you only accept the character explaining his power because the story justifies it with a mechanic
- Without a substantial change in a sorcerer's performance after explaining their technique, the act of explaining your technique in favor of a buff doesn't appear to be worth the advantage of your opponent not knowing how your ability works, which might explain why tons of sorcerers don't bother to utilize the mechanic. The inversion Sorcerer for instance wouldn't benefit from explaining his technique and neither would a lot of other sorcerers
Overall, it's a plot device that serves to justify the writer using the same kind of writing crutch that other shonen writers use without substantiating it enough to justify its existence within the story as a whole
Can you for example make a binding vow that someone gives you 90% of their cursed energy, but if you die, your innate technique will become theirs?
In this case, it would depend on the other person to accept it, like in season one when sukuna offered yuji the vow to take full control of his body for a particular amount of time when he says a particular word and he won't remember what happened after it, in exchange for healing him. The only reason it stood was because yuji accepted.
forgive my curiosity, but is there any particular reason to ask this question?
Probably no
that can happen but only if both parties are willing for the exchange but also, how would the other obtain the innate technique? unless you had geto's CT that kenjaku used that may be impossible
@@aniyapeachBy binding vow? Yuta made binding vow with Higher Ups. Like Yuta did kill Yuji and DIDN'T had to drag Yuji to the higher ups. By that, he completed the binding vow automatically, when he killed Yuji, he didn't had to show Yuji to higher up and have their agreement of Yuta completing the binding vow. That means that Binding Vows works through distances by completing conditions.
a binding vow on yourself is basically a conjurer ability from hunter hunter
Oddly enough my friend who watched HxH who is now getting into JJK asked me about binding vow and the explanation i give to him is just to think of it like kurapika's chain jail and he got the concept in an instant
Cursed Energy is VERY similar to Nen lol. Can't deny the inspiration Hunter x Hunter had for Jujutsus power system.
Even if of course theres separate aspects to both
I think BVs are an interesting concept due to how they interact with the world. "Revealing ones hand" likely doesn't just make your technique more powerful by itself, but it also forces your opponent to now think about how you would use your technique at any given point. The best example I can think of here is how Hanami was forced to re-think the fight after Todo explained Boogie Woogie. Now she had to think about when he would swap and when he would fake it out. What kinds of things he can swap etc etc, which can easily lead you to overthink and make a mistake.
Nanamis Overtime technically increases his risk of going into overtime at work, since there could be scenarios where those missing % during his worktime could be enough to finish a fight before he has to go into Overtime, while the latter part of it allows him to get off the clock at work quicker once he is in overtime. That just perfectly encapsulates his personality of hating overtime, but still being a diligent worker.
my current theory is that the first broken binding vow will come from sukuna and itadori due to itadori having no recollection of the keyword that forces him to switch, and remembering the vow at all will cause him to break the conditions as well, forcing a lose-lose situation
No yuji doesnt have to do anything specific in this agreement so its impossible for him to break it.
Just asking-are you caught up with the JJK manga? I don’t want to spoil
2:45 I think mechamaru can be used as an example of someone breaking the binding vow(heavenly pact in this case) as he fixed his body using Idle transformation and as we see despite his amount of preparation, he still died and many of his friends and acquaintances got hurt or died(and he couldn't prevent it despite setting up many puppets just in case he died) and before all of this happens, kenjaku mentions that they shouldn't break a binding vow because you wouldn't know in what way or when you'll get punished
It would punish the person who made the pact not the bearer
@@some_one Heavenly restriction is basically a pact made between you and the universe/heavens at birth(albeit your consent is technically not taken)
Mechamaru did not break the binding vow though. Mechamaru was set up to gain and give information to kenjaku and mahito in exchange for mahito fixing his body.
Everything which happened later has nothing to do with binding vow since the vow was completed when mahito fixed mechamaru.
@@LegendaryGoku22 I am not talking about the binding vow between kenjaku and Mechamaru, Am talking about the the heavenly pact by which Mechamaru was granted large amount of CE and could control his puppets at a really long range in exchange for which he had a really weak body which couldn't even withstand sunlight but he broke that binding vow(heavenly restriction) by healing his body using Idle transfiguration
@@ErenYeager-me4em no, the trade is a pact made between his parents and the cursed energy and HE is the object. Also there is no certainty as the specifications of the pact as it could be that he would have all that taken away from him in that moment but no statement as if he should ever recover it
how yuuji forgot about the vow sukuna made with him if he needs to "purposely" forget as a condition to the vow? did he forget because of the effect of the vow? i don't get it because breaking a vow is a thing so curse users have to follow the condition in order the effect/return/benefit to be effective.
Yes, Yuji forgot because of the binding vow
yeah Sukuna made one of the conditions of the deal is that Yuji would forget they made the deal, Yujis goofy ass lost the fight immediately, so the deal ended up getting applied[Sukuna will heal him, but he gets his body+Yuji is forced to forget he made the deal](Sukuna said if he won, he'd bring him back with no restrictions)
In making a binding vow both parties must agree to the conditions that were set. Yuji on the other hand does not understand the weight of the vow being made and he just assumes sukuna is just talking, also assuming he can beat sukuna lol. Basically he accepts the terms and conditions without understanding the whole thing lmao.
So it's like gon's transformation from HXH
Its a nen restriction or pact
Basically just Nen restrictions honestly
man. jjk has probably one of the best battle sys in the past 10 years, but shit is mega confusing and difficult for a casual anime fan to understand
Can you remake binding vowels you broke with yourself?
Assuming the binding vow wasn't something as long term as say, "I'll never do something that is really important to me again" *cough* Miwa *cough* then yes. It's all about the wording. If one of the conditions is making a vow to never do something in exchange for a benefit, then you can break the vow, lose the benefit, and remake it later since you lost the benefit. In Miwa's case, she said that if she didn't kill Geto with that one swing, she'd never swing a sword again, and since she didn't, the condition of not swinging a sword stays in effect. Since she already used the benefit of the vow, if she breaks it, some kind of bad thing will happen since she is breaking her conditions that she set.
i wanna have like a Binding Vow like i die in 30 years old in exchange that my luck is increased like 60%
Binding vow between Mahito/Kenjaku and Mechamaru is a example of binding vow to other person
So basically their like forbidden enchantments
I have a question, Is it possible to do a biding vow so a character can become stronger??
So how does a binding vow in which you sacrifice your life work, like mei meis crows? Does the universe just kill you?
I imagine it's something like converting your soul into pure cursed energy, then having that energy focused through a technique.
Yeah, you die
Nah, Mei mei can control crows, yes? Now what she does is that she sacrifices a crows entire lifespan in exchange for one massive burst of power.
But nobody knows Sukuna's technique
So pretty similar to Nen contracts from hunter x hunter
Wait, the biding vow sukuna made with yuji is that he will get his body for 1 MIN and dont hurt NOBODY,so why he clearly didnt do that in shibuya
That was the first offered vow, however Yuji denied that vow. Sukuna offered a second binding vow where if Yuji beat him in a fight he would revive him with no restrictions. However, if Yuji lost then Sukuna will revive him but whenever Sukuna says "extension" he gets control of Yuji's body for 15 minutes and Yuji will also forget he made the binding vow. Yuji overconfidently accepts these terms and is then immediately beaten by Sukuna in the fight.
@@woomyboy98 oh thats explain everithing,still a lot happened in those 15 min
@SomeDudeOutThereInTheWorld The thing is that in Shibuya, Sukuna got forcibly awakened in Yuji's body because of the 10 fingers he ate which overwhelmed Yuji's ability to supress him temporarily, not because of their binding vow. That means their pact still stands and Sukuna can still use it in the future.
MANGA SPOILERS
only for those curious:
Sukuna still made the binding vow of getting yuji’s body for 1 min and cant hurt anybody. He actually uses this the manga where he forcefully took control of yuji’s body using the vow and gave one of his fingers to megumi, making him switch vessels. That was the only reason he made that vow and he also didnt hurt anybody which satisfies the vow
@@woomyboy98oh boy I'm gonna feel sorry for you when the anime reaches that manga chapter
Seems similar to Nen contracts from Hunter X Hunter
I only watch anime but what if Miwa tries to swing a sword again?
BASICALLY NEN THATS IT LMAO
Was Miwa's bv a personal one? She said stated that she will never wield a sword again in return to give one "powerful" slash against kenjaku, personla vb when broken just remove the advantaje that you got by making it, so, what will happen if Miwa wields a sword ever again? Was it a personal bv? If it wasnt, who did she made it with? If it's a personal bv what will be the advantaje that she will be taken away?
Binding vows with other people usually results in death when broken. This is explained with
Sukuna and yuji when he revives him and mahito with mechamaru when he gave him information in return to remove his heavenly restriction
How do those 2 incidents explain that? Neither of them involve the breaking of a vow resulting in death.
@@mightykaz7686 when sukuna explains it to yuji there's an animation that shows sukuna disappearing, hinting that he'll die if he breaks it
@@Abracadabra-21 Not really. The animation of the chains pulling in just shows that he'll be punished.
And in the scene with Mechamaru, Kenjaku literally states that binding vows have an "uncertain nature of the penalty". Meaning even he doesn't know what would happen and he's been alive for over 1000 years
@@mightykaz7686 ok
Binding vows remind me of Nen restrictions. They work exactly that way, the harsher the restriction the stronger the Nen becomes. It’s crazy seeing how much hxh has influenced JJK.
What about if Sukuna broke a binding vow and turned out the way he did but he found a way to make it work.
Kenjaku himself said in 1000 years he’s never seen one broken
This makes me think, Sukuna and Kenjaku have a binding vow I’ve heard from a friend deeper in the series than me and we dont know what it even is. Since we dont know what happens once you breaking a binding vow with someone else, I predict that either Sukuna or Kenjaku are going to break their binding vow somehow. Just a small fan theory so meh
How did Miwa's vow work?
Bro has got a Phd in JJK
if heavenly restriction is basically a binding vow couldnt you give yourself heavenly restriction for a limited time/permanently?
That "basically" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Even if it's theoretically possible, the sorcerers of JJK all pretty universally look down on anyone without cursed energy. The concept of becoming another Invisible Man would be utterly foreign to the vast majority of them.
Part of the importance of Heavenly Restriction is that you don't get to choose it, which makes the buff stronger. Also many theorie that Toji and Maki are so strong because they are born in a clan that despises people with no CE, so their loss is even greater and they get a greater buff.
So is it possible to give up something for more RCT output? Because why didn’t Gojo do that when his RCT was exhausted might’ve saved his life as well, or maybe i overlooked it.
@omlg2021
what would you think Gojo would have to give up, to increase his RCT to that level?
@@chongwillson972 idk maybe weaken his technique or make his cursed energy consumption higher