Forging A Knife From Springs! Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Excitement rules the shop as a project I've long contemplated has begun! Springs are arranged inside each other and hammered into a knife. At least that's the idea... This project is getting a part 2 video!
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Your excitement over springs made me smile. Makers enthusiasm is delightful
it's been pointed out the spring was twisted he wrong way. How did I miss this? Good catch!
I really hope that you try again now that that has been pointed out. Us Okies never give up!
@@mikebabb2155 I might. it was expensive and a pain to set up... Twisting will close the outer spring but I'm not sure it will do much for the inner ones. you'd have to weld each of them to the same cone on one end, or something. In the end I think there may still have been too much empty space in my setup regardless of which way it was twisted. requires more thought.
@@GreenBeetle I bet it was expensive and yeah it did look like there was a bit too much empty space. Yeah it would be a pain. I bet that you can get it done right if you do it again though. Thank you for the reply!
Gotta redeem that slip up, lmao
Hey man can you please get some kind of filter for the welding scenes I was just tossing that idea out there
Using a bright orange wrench with your bare hand on a red hot hunk of metal scared the crap out of me for a second
It took a while for me too, lol.
It didn't look too bad. You could probably use it for a small skinning knife.
I like how you're willing to experiment and try new things and not afraid to show your mistakes.
Looking forward to part two.
I would have quit on that a long time ago, but this is where you learn stuff out of the ordinary. Its a turd but a special one. Complete it!
Your patience is off the scale!!!! I have thrown away more wrecked blades in my scrap metal bucket, experimenting than what i have finished. I have learned something from you. Thank you!
You show a lot of patience and persistence especially when it didn't look like it was going where you wanted it. Thank you.
I know it's been said a few times already, but I'll comment anyway in hopes that you see it - it looks like you twisted the opposite direction that you should have to tighten the springs. You basically unwound them.
I think you had a good concept, and if you hadn't made that error, your plan probably would have worked
Ye saw that to thought it was pretty weird to turn it that way
Spring concept was fun to watch. Potentially very dangerous though. Bet the canister knife has a better outcome. Cool video
This is why i love these videos, the experimentation. It doesn't always go as planned but you forge ahead learn from it and still make something pretty cool
Dude loved the James bond throwback at the beginning lol! And the fab skills are totally on par with my own :-) keep up the great work brother
Make a wooden handle with gaps that are filled with resin to compliment the cold shuts, it will look awesome!
The canister on the left with just 1095 powder has the best contrast by the looks of things, so would make the best knife.
What about getting two of the same size spring and "screwing" one into the other, that would close the gaps and no need to compress them?
yeah I measured the gap and width of the spring. 2 would thread together but a gap remains that's too small for third spring.
Jam in that third spring in until it squeals!
@@snukie73 I know it's been 7 months. But your comment didn't get the love it deserves 🤣🤣
Best knife videos on the interwebz...always daring to be different.
threaded bar with a nut and washer is the way to go and has been foe ever
It's nice that you try new way.
Nice job ! At least if the project doesn’t turn out how you hoped 1. any forged blade is cool as heck 2. You don’t have to work as hard to be disappointed because you have the press 3. You’re learning something. And I always say you ain’t gotta know everything that’s right but you need to know what’s wrong ! You make the only videos I don’t skip parts in cause I don’t want to miss the whit
I made a knife from a 1930 garage door spring single coil. I cut three pieces about 4” long flattened out and tacked them together. I folded and folded until it was completely forge welded. No inclusions or de laminations. It almost looks like Damascus
It may not be perfect but it still looks pretty sweet, and surely it'd function as a not-heavy-duty knife
The overall design is just lovely. I really like how it looks, the proportions, etc.
knife from spring thats cool.i liked full process of compressing spring making a solid billet nice video
Oh, and don't throw it out! I love the way it looks, personally, and I'm sure some of us would love to have it, I know I would.
hehe you sounded just like I did trying to compress a car spring to put it on the car......Took me a while to work out I just needed to raise the car a lot more..then I had to get the shocks to work too.
ooh thats the bendiest billet I have ever seen lol ....I love these weird explorations
all thread, with washers is how I compress the springs. I have done almost this same build
love the videos
it looks like red hot spaghetti ut its really cool and i think you did an amazing job
I like your machine press. 😁 so cool.
Yeah, not that I know much about this kind of thing, but it seemed you were unwinding that spring. Glad you persisted with the billet though.
for the bigger, tougher springs, you could cut another section off that's the same size and wind it into the other that's the same size. That would decreased the open space by a lot.
Smart ideas that I wouldn’t have thought about, thank you for uploading,
Looked like you were unwinding the spring
This. He was DEFINITELY unwinding it.
That’s what I thought too.
Righty tighty lefty loosey.
I got a kick out of watching a spring lose its temper.
Righty tighty! You went lefty loosey.
dude, you are like the Green mad scientist Beetle! lol awesome man!
I think the "katana" style of folding 100+ times is how you get rid of voids? Im not a blacksmith but a machinist. Have ya seen blooms, theyre nothing but voids to begin with and they made absolutely amazing blades
looks pretty good as an experiment. finish it up and do a charity auction with it as long as its a usable knife. also as mentioned, you twisted the springs the wrong was. so now im curious as to what one twisted the other direction would do
Glad you try this so we don’t have to! Olive oil flux is badass!
wow it has a very cool look
What about cutting the spring in half and winding the half into the gap between the coils of the other half ? If there's enough room between the coils, perhaps even into thirds. I think this combined with powder in the canister might really yield a nice tiger stripe pattern.
I wondered why you would not do that?
Thanks for showing the mistakes. Those are as important for learning a process--knowing what doesn't work, and what it looks like.
Love when you do videos like this... the fishing hook video was how I found your channel years ago... It's funny the 1st one is always the hardest when trying something new, once you get that figured out, it usually gets easier(or at least you learn what not to do, hahaha. story of my life)... great video, hope all is well, take it easy..
The concept is valid, just needs some tweaks. I noticed that the largest spring had enough space between the coils to thread another one of the same size through it , thus filling the gap between ( no need for compression, or at least allot less...). All the other springs basically didn't give you that much problem compressing & seemed reasonably close in diameter for fit. Maybe try a pipe canister & powder filler, then your angle jig for fusion..... Hope you try this, it'd be awesome to see the results... CHEERS!
That imperfections makes it look even better like a patina
Man you literally killed this intro :D
Nice vid as always ;)
Sir, I am no expert (I am a goldsmith) but I totally love your work and your videos are great to watch as well. Thank you.
Also dont forget that there would have been scale build up on the inner springs as well! Scale that wouldnt have been removed, making it impossible for a bond to form between the separate springs!
I'm sitting here slowly leaning back away from my monitor while you're compressing that spring in a vise!
Nice job. I enjoyed watching, even if there are some slips. Hey thats how we learn and get better. Thankyou.
Peace from south Ontario. Canada.
I love your tenacious curiosity, and ambition when you're in the forge! I've been watching you grow and have personally learned a great deal from your failures, as well! Lol! I'm a beginner blacksmith and wanted to know if a Damascus " pattern welded" blade that has not yet been acid etched show it's pattern at all, and also, if you ever heard of etching to flake off or have shiny spots here and there in the blade after time and use! Thanks for your vlogs!
You ever consider live streaming when you do a build? I know they would be super long streams, but i'd actually watch it, and you could also ask for input on where to go, or how to proceed, when things go a rye. Either way, i really enjoyed this video and I envy your moxie.
Presuming you are going to etch them, I think for the #2 knife the 1095 plus iron powder one will come out looking the coolest. More color and contrast variation.
I think it looks awesome
I have a small suggestion. Go with the canister Damascus idea. But instead of using a canister, weld up the largest spring to act as a canister, and just don’t cut it off like you would a traditional mild steel canister.
I love springs springs are so cool I love springs
I got some tension in my lower back. Do you think a blowtorch will temper out some of the tension?
I was thinking , or was wanting to try something like this, with spring nesting dolls, put them in a can, with powder filling all voids possible. Seems it would work better with the spring stretched out?
Have you considered a garage door spring, it's like a lock spring, or tape measure spring, it's a torshen spring, it could get out of hand easily!
Haha the intro is amazing!
Love the dialog
Just watching beetle make more work for himself, worrying about his safety because he's compressing open springs that haven't been annealed to take the spring and temper out first. Also doing it in a manner that'll give him walking and kinks and make it sloppy and uneven.
But seeing all of those springs nested in eachother, makes me want him to send off a small piece of the nested springs to the hpc guys in Finland to see if they have enough power in their hydrolic press to crush it into a pancake, and because I'm curious how strong a 6 inch bar of uncompressed and unmolested bar of nested springs is.
he is totally getting some kinetic power in that knife!
OK, the intro is cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the canister it will look a lot like a piece of wood. Should he maybe cut it like planks and stack those on to the hard steel core? Might look cool.
Thanks for sharing. Looks like a pretty frustrating challenge. I'd be half happy with the end knife considering how hard that was to do.
Have you considered cutting the springs in half and screwing the halves into them selves? This would save the issue of having to compress them.
I'm looking forward to the next one.
Have you considered doing a video on your shop tools? It would be interestinv to know ehat anvil etc you use
3:29 they make a tool for compressing big springs, and people call them widowmakers. don't be fooled, a compressed spring is just waiting for a chance to jump out and bite you, and while you're probably fine with these smalls ones, it's something to watch out for
can't wait for the following part(s)! What a cool concept
It probably wouldn't work any better but what about using wire instead of springs? Like wrap a wire around something to get the coil effect instead of compressing a spring. You could even try 2 or 3 different kinds of steel to make the pattern more dramatic.
It’s like the Turducken of steel.
Good into James!
i was thinking, if you stuck the springs inside a round tub, and then filled the extra space with metal powder, it might solve some issues. but getting the round tub off might be a challenging too. keep up the good work
This sounds like a fun project.
Cut the same spring shorter spin them together to fill the gap tighter.
The spring compressor was pretty smart.
YAY I did something right! heheh. :)
Glowing metal spaghetti.
VERY nice - I'd say it's worth keeping (and adding a handle) just as a reminder for all that hard work and a very interesting experiment.
I've been wondering about springs myself... :) Thanks!!!.
Almost forgot - I'm betting on the 1095 filled one... :)
Use garage door springs to make a dagger
Love your videos brother
Shurap is a guy on you tube you should check out... the man can forge weld anything. It's amazing to watch.
Should have said he answered me on a 2 year old video. So may be able to talk to him.
So in the canister version are the springs still packed into each other? Because that was the part that has me the most interested in this
I am quite curious whether you could put the springs in a canister (perhaps round) with no powder. You'd exclude any new air.
Great project Steve, or should I say Mr. bond. thanks for the video. Looking forward to seeing the next one. 🍻
Interesting experiment.
That was pretty hard and interesting project, pal, good work!
It's brilliant you upload the failed attempt. Have you considered piano / music wire? It's often used to make springs! Keep up the good work.
He did guitarwires once. Most beautiful knife ive seen. Incredible work of art.
Hey Steve, is it possible that all the springs are made of the same carbon steel? Which in turn will not really do much for the contrast of showing each individual spring.
Make a Damascus knife out of quarters and pennies plz
You needed two of each really and screw same size of them together so it has no gaps
you'll see in next video, screwing two together leaves gaps
Sometimes steel has its mind made up to do something other than what we want it to do.
Would it be possible to do something like a mokume gane press on this? It might be a way to close up the gaps. Also instead of square tubing for a canister. How about a piece of round tubing to aide in keeping the springs together?
Could you not use a threaded m8 rod with large washers and the nut/bolt on either end and using a rench tight it up to compress the spring
Love the OO7 in the beginning 😆👌
Cool!
But does it bounce?
Also an auto scrapyard is a great place to go for cheap good steel if you don't mind getting your hands dirty pulling leafsprings off old trucks. They're known steel. Typically 5160 high carbon spring steel. Very strong and durable steel that ain't terribly finicky and is a good beginner's steel.
I knocked the flux off some inconel welding rod and twisted them up in some garage door springs, they welded up just fine but there was too many spots of inconel on the edge.
I hate to bust your bubble my friend but at the beginning of the video you talked about winding the spring up to tighten it but I noticed that you wound it backwards effectively "unwinding" it causing it to loosen up. The video was very interesting just the same. Good job!
i would compress it in a press with V blocks to make a square
you have a skill for making interesting videos nice one mate
My only thought is that you should call it a hash brown billet. It looked like a hash brown when you were forge welding it and now I want a hash brown mmmmmmm hash brown
I'm at 3:44 and you are trying to think how to compress the spring, and I read the comments, so not sure if this will be any help.
If you want to compress the spring into a tube shape, what about a tube just larger than the spring diameter, with a collar to keep the spring from falling through, but a hole in the center to pipe heat up into it and just use the heat to relax the spring onto itself?
The problem I see is any distortion would limit putting a spring just smaller into it. My thinking is they would all have to be done at once.
What you did seemed to work, other than turning it the wrong way.
I think if you turn it the right way it would work
Lol, I'd heat the large spring and stretch it out into a rod, then weld the rod pieces. No sense to mess about with itty bitty springs unless you really want to.
If you're throwing it out, can I have it?
that intro was perfect