Mac OS 9 Installation Frustration - Part 1 - Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures
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Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures #17 - Mac OS 9 Installation Frustration - Part 1
Ken throws three of his vintage Macs at multiple Mac OS 9 installers, all in an effort to perform a simple operation-install Mac OS 9.
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“Did you finish your homework?”
“No because of a problem.”
“What was the problem?”
“...There was a problem.”
18:03 Best mouse pad ever
Yeah, can’t beat it. Or you could if you know what I mean ;)
@@appleonfire3991 Whaaaaaa?
WHAT
It even has arm rests on the...
Please just leave me alone
13:25 - Mac OS Standard is the old (System 3 to Mac OS 8.0) HFS file system. Mac OS Extended is the HFS+ file system introduced in Mac OS 8.1.
wha
HFS+, which debuted with OS 8.1 in 1998 was a more advanced version of HFS, which had been the Mac file system since Mac OS 3. It added journaling support, support for larger file via increased block address of 32 bits in length (vs 16 bit lengths in HFS) , support for Unicode file naming, and support for hard links to directories. Since MacOS 10.13 (Sept, 2017)
Apple has since switched to the Apple File System (APFS) as the default file system for system drives on Mac desktop and Laptop machines (as well as for IOS/IPad-OS devices) which adds a lot new features such cloning files without need to use twice the space for duplicate (cloned) files, file system snapshot support, native full-disk encryption support, data integrity protection via checksums, support for multiple logical drives in one container (i.e. multiples hard drives/SSD drives are paired together so they appear as one single drive to the system (aka as one volume) with the free space of each drive being treated as one big block. Note that Time Machine backup drives must be formatted with the older HFS+ due to time machine not being compatible with APFS (at least yet) due Time Machine’s current reliance on directory hard link support which APFS does not support. Also, any external Mac formatted drive you wish to use with Linux (using the open source HFS+ linux driver) or Windows (using either the HFS+ Windows driver either from Apple or from a third party) should be formatted as HFS+ not APFS, as no APFS drivers exists for Windows or Linux yet (AFAIK). For regular cross-platform moving of files, I would skip HFS+ and just format the drive in NTFS as stable full read-write NTFS drivers are currently available for both Linux and Mac (not that out of the box MacOS still only supports ready-only NTFS access currently but third-party stable read/write drivers are available for the Mac that enable write support (and some external drives manufacturers include read-write NTFS Mac drivers on their NTFS formatted external drives such as Seagate.
Funny enough, the iBook G4 was still new when I first saw the word "cnidarian", and if I spelled that wrong, it's because it's been THAT LONG since I last saw that word.
Wow. Been a while since RUclips has fed me an older CC video. 2017 Ken is the embodiment of my ADHD brain lmao
Same lmao
I remember when this came out, and yes, this was just how Ken was back then.
Bonus plan: get an OS 8 Mac and update it to 9.
We have something special for next week's Krazy Ken episode (Friday, March 31). You didn't hear this from me, but *Druaga1* may have partially stolen the show…
Computer Clan DRUAGA!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!!
Yay Druaga!
Computer Clan Could be funny Druaga also messes up stuff quite often 😂
Computer Clan If only you used a PowerBook G3 or G4 titanium
So that's why I'm so strongly reminded of Druaga whenever you're speaking, which is always.
7 zip, space backround, its winworld
lol ye
lmao i just posted that xD
i think we all know it
RAV the space background is gone
Not anymore™
The funny thing is that computers can tell you what happened when an error occurs but only decide to say “An Error Occurred”
True. But the thing is, that the most users can't understand that. But so as setting to turn on?👍
I remember there being CDs bundled with various PowerPC macs (e.g. Mac mini G4) that couldn't boot OS 9. One of these CDs contained a Classic installer that ran entirely from OS X. No idea where you can get them; I got mine from FastMac (now defunct).
What's a G4 Mac mini? I thought those only where intel.
@@JamesnLollify The Mac mini was introduced and released just when Apple announced its transition from PowerPC to Intel, hence the 2005 models using PowerPC chips before the later models would use Intel chips.
"Yes! Install Mac OS 10. I knew I'd find it eventually."
[The Application quit unexpectedly.]
:D "Uh-huh! Yeah! It sure did." *SCREAMS INTERNALLY*
“There was an error while installing Common Sense”
Matthew Ferraro 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
zombiesquad gaming What was this for again
Matthew Ferraro YOU SAVAGE
Common Sense v.21.4 Booting up....
Booted.
Loading core.sense
Loading addons.sense
Loading osload.sense
Loading Desktop.dll
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, only early versions of the iMac G4 can boot OS9. If your iMac isn't first gen then it was also incompatible.
Good to know
When the iBook started up:
Left side: You start up. I'm not doing it.
Right side: No, YOU start.
Left: YOU start.
Right: YOU start.
Eventually they compromised and everything is all good again!
(Or is it?)
MikeTheKav löl
The most hilarious MacOS install ever! 5/5 Beach Balls of Doom
"fuck the system folder on 205 one is not valid make sure the system folder is valid how the fuck do i do that like just knock on his door be like a you valid no you're fired what does that mean make sure it's valid"
-- Ken, 2017
The lack of punctuation makes this even more funny x)
Heh, I just spent about a week dicking around with a 2006 MacBook Pro, trying desperately to install Snow Leopard on a new blank drive (old drive was toast). No dual layer burner, and the drive couldn't read ANY of the discs I threw at it. I ended up Target Disk Mode'ing it to another Mac, partitioning the new drive with three partitions (2 small, 1 large). I put a Tiger install DVD image on the first partition, and a Snow Leopard DVD image on the second partition. Booted up, installed Tiger, did some updates, ran the Snow Leopard installer, rebooted, installed, rebooted and boom, nice new fresh Snow Leopard on the system.
edit: I have a Tangerine clamshell and I've got the same (even more extreme) cracking around the Apple logo. It's ugly, but oh well.
Man even on my 2009 laptop i can install the latest version of linux and windows
I love these old videos where it's just him trying shit. So awesome!
"MAC OS NEIN" im dead
13:00 This is a reference to Vacation when Clark was holding the Wally World security guard hostage with a BB gun I think. "You couldn't even break the skin with that thing" "It could, yeah it could, it could lodge under the skin and cause a very bad infection"
Wait, what? I thought the older iMac G4's (the ones with "iMac" in the Garamond font) could only go up to Tiger.
Am I mistaken or is Ken a master haxor?
A British Twat The faster ones (ie 867mhz or above) can run leopard, but the slower ones are limited to tigre.
@@TheFakeVIP Limited by the fake limitations, you can always patch it easily to run Leopard
21:33 I recommend never burning system disks with the highest speed possible. It may cause problems while copying and while it may work for minor software, the system files may be slightly corrupted, possibly making the system uninstallable.
Ken, Lemme help a friend out with the NATO alphabet
A - Alpha
B - Bravo
C - Charlie
D - Delta
E - Echo
F - Foxtrot
G - Golf
H - Hotel
I - India
J - Jack
K - Kilo
L - Lima
M - Mike
N - November
O - Oscar
P - Papa
Q - Quebec
R - Romeo
S - Sierra
T - Tango
U - Uniform
V - Victor
W - Whiskey
X - X-ray
Y - Yankee
Z - Zulu
I've also heard Juliet for J, but 6 of one, half a dozen of the other
_Where did u get dat ergonomic mousepad??????????_
From one of the many anime conventions I travel to ; )
wow lol
@@ComputerClan wtf
Cream The Overpowered what?
404
26:45 The accent, plus what you said was perfect
That moment when you watch kill la kill and you watch an old krazy ken video. Small world.
Small, indeed.
@Computer Clan You’re right.
you make me want to go on CR and buy me a ibook to try Mac OS 9, Leopard was the first Mac OS that I tried out growing up.
Thank god for winworld. I just burnt a 9.2 cd and installed it on an imac g3 350 with no issues.
My kid was telling me “Dad, why is the man in the video not increasing the brightness?” and I answered “It’s an iBook. What do you expect? It’s a Mac from 1999!”
- did not check if the OS is supported by that machine
- mixes up classic enviroment with OS9
- thinks the c key could show more than the boot manager
- mixes up HFS with HFS+
- makes wrong assumptions about a required OSX version in order to run OS9
...
then he found MacOS9Lives and all went fine. :)
no, wait, of course it failed again.
Ken, i swear you are the cause of all my tech problems.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Computer Clan
Also in response to this video, you may need mac OS 9.2.2. I have a sheepshaver VM that runs 9.2.2. Or if you need i can send you a disc image of an iMac G3 install CD. With Mac OS 9.0
Oh. I mean 9.0.4
@superstar64 Think he has (spoiler!) already managed to install it successfully, and that will be revealed in part 2. :) But for the iMac G4 at least, he probably does need 9.2.2.
RYUKO MATOIIIIIII!!!!!!
Hell yeah.
Glad you are back and able to TUALK again!
Haha. Oh that Samantha voice…
iMac g4 and iBook G4 are the same don't worry about the font there's no difference between them it's just a 2002 iMac so near when Mac OSX 10 was released so people wanted OS 9 still so they did compatible Macs for classic mode from that era of Mac
you know something's wrong when a krazy ken video is multiple parts, and 30 minutes long
8:35 Translucent Keycaps... that makes me wonder if anyone did an RGB Keyboard mod for a clamshell. that would be neat
iBook G4s can't boot Mac OS 9 natively (only Classic in Mac OS X). The iMac G4 probably needs at least 9.2.2, not 9.2.1.
There's a patched version of OS 9 that runs on newer G4 macs.
Gravarty Yo, where did you find that?
macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php
iBook G4s weren't able to run Mac OS 9 natively, but that changed as the limitation was overcome a couple of years ago. As Gravarty mentioned, take a look at the MacOS9Lives discussion forum (I was "iMic" on there, and helped develop the first modified version of the Mac OS ROM for this purpose). They've come a long way with running Mac OS 9 on newer hardware.
21:57 Mac OS Nein!!!!! Edit #2: Thanks for 31 likes. I did this because I am German
Have 31, you’re welcome.
Have 33, you're welcome.
Have 45, you're welcome.
Ken, you should use a Firewire to IDE adapter instead of the almost always fried internal drive.
The cracks around the logo are incredibly common, I've never seen one without them.
My Blueberry one is starting. My indigo is made from a different material and doesn’t have this issue (The Key Lime and second Graphite one also)
hold down c key to boot from a cd.
before install, go to drive setup in the utilities folder in os9 and click the "not mounted" drive to initialize the disk then install.
sorry hold command+c
The application “common sense” could not be opened
"And now I have a Mac OS NEIN" 🤣🤣
Turns out I can take a shit watching Ken play around with iBooks, lol
your comments are hilarious I had to watch the video several times to pick up on all the jokes! love it! and the video is absolutely relatable to those of us that have gone through the trouble of working with vintage Macs!
iBook G3 900Mhz is the fastest iBook that can natively boot OS9. If you want to run OS9 on a portable G4 you have to get a Powerbook G4 Titanium.
iBook G4's and aluminum Powerbook G4's can't boot OS9 outside of classic mode inside of OSX.
The best Mac laptop for OS 9 is the Powerbook G4 Titanium DVI - It was the very last (and most powerful) Apple laptop that could run OS9 natively without using classic mode in OS X.
Classic Mode in OS X only works if OS 9 is installed natively, yeah? That’s how I’ve seen it work.
Last Year I tried to resurrect my Digital Audio G4 and after much trial and tribulation, got OS 9.2.1installed, BUT ONLY HAD SOUND FOR ONE, EXACTLY ONE, SESSION.
To be fair you can install os9 from an iMac install disc on a power Mac g4 no problem :P
The gun plan should have been Plan G
This makes sense.
Computer Clan Because Logic.
Also hi!!!
26:46 WinWorld PC
"Official"
Pretty Official
Why did you comment on your own comment
@@felixband3000 Someone forgot to switch accounts.
cnidarian Huh he wasn't joking around. Good job Ken! educational and funny
+TheWeirdGaming that's what we aim for! : )
Meanwhile, on _my_ attempt to install Mac OS 9.2... "This program cannot run on your computer. See the documentation for more information."
But my computer _is_ on the supported list!
"You can suck my clock."
-Ken 2017
Timestamp: 11:24
I’m actully really impressed how well it ran Mac OS X
LMAOOO THIS WAS UPLOADED ON MY BDAYY
Either it's already done or you forgot to mount the drive. In case it isn't, the first step is to go to the utilities folder and click drive setup. Follow the instructions and you should be able to see the hard drive on the desktop. Then you click install, and of all of the bizarre questions it will ask if you want to continue or quit. You want to quit. Then restart the computer. It should load OS 9 from the hard drive.
command-option-O-F
Then in the firmware boot
Cd-boot
Or lookup the boot command to directly boot a section of the cd
the rarest iBook G3 clamshell is not the Key Lime, but one without cracks around the apple logo on the inside. I don't think I've seen one in the last few years without cracks
just go to the Macintosh garden and download the os9 universal image it worked for me
14:06 I know how you got that camcorder effect!
lol at the mouse pad
you can use the unity for the format the hard drive to choose a image and restore it to the hard drive
the sounds of slot loading drives is something people should use to meditate
These Slot Loading Drives fail so often
Ken is just as crazy as Druaga1
Lol
Macs were a pain in the ass to install software
I've ALWAYS just did a drag and drop of an installed OS9 System folder..... always works just fine........
I figured it would. The old systems were flexible like that. I did edit more stuff out, but there was a part where I attempted it a second time, but I don't think I showed it. It was spitting out permissions errors but… well, stay tuned for part 2 ; )
......... staying tuned :)
"The operation seems to have frozen up..."
(Progress bar moves several times while this is being said)
+Nicholas Lovan the animation was moving, but the install hung.
They still have 2017 iMacs with mechanical HDDs. Thanks Apple.
And so what? Hard drives are still better for storing large amounts of data
IanC14 they’re slow af
ken: *happy that is recognized the disk* *boots into disk*
mac: :D
Replace that hard drive ASAP literal ticking time bomb
im sad, im sad too ken...
Why is it that installing Mac OS 9 in QEMU is easier than installing it on actual Macs?
You should’ve used the Mac OS 9.2.2 2002 Universal image which you can find on Macintosh Garden.
He seriously has a Kill La Kill mousepad.
And a Kill la Kill wallet. I love that anime.
That is amazing, the anime is good and another good anime is Konosuba.
@@RossComputerGuy sailor Moon is also a good anime too
The 9.2.1 was so from WinWorld...
I thought you’re gonna say c as in CD so I just gave a glare at the screen
4:49 Old iBook clamshells tend to crack here and there, plainrock124 also had this issue
Mac OS Standard only recognizes disk partitions that are up to 2 gigabytes in size. Mac OS Extended, aka HFS+, can recognize disk partitions beyond that; although I think the limit is 1 billion gigabytes.
14:12 why do you need that from 2000?
It was a joke
IIRC there was a little quirk if you upgraded from Tiger to Leopard Classic would still work
Installing an older version of Windows
Put the CD or USB start your computer choosing the CD or USB
Follow the prompts
choose drive, erase partitions if needed
hit Install
wait for installer.
done
Give me my cookies, Ken
isn't great when things just f*&king work and then it crashes lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is cool!
The dust... THE DUST... *OH MY...*
Yeah it drives me nuts when the error is "an error occurred" and it *doesn't specify* what the error is. Like, is it hardware, software (and if so what kind), user? Give us something to work with.
I always watch those vids when I’m doing shit with my old Macs
you can not use a powermac g4 restore disk for an ibook g3 clamshell you need the g3 restore disc or the retail copy
Now I know why they're called Misadventures.
oppai mousepad :ok_hand:
The I thought the iBook’s cpu processor cooling fan went off
8:58 its me!
Ken: D for Delta!
Me: *cries in 2021*
The usual hell working your way through the narrow window of mac OS software and hardware compatibility not as bad in the past as today, catch 22 scenarios. Dead drive on iBook sounded like to me. Your nowadays best off with a drag install of os9 then bless it, not from a cd, bit rot scratches funky cd reading is an issue.
where u said operation failed .. just before , the bar did move a legit bit
0:02 you said something?
i think you said "Fuuuuck"
No
National Lampoons Vacation.