Rrecrystallization of ETN

[@jlr163380]

Man I have been homeless for more than a year now and I have told all my friends when I get a place im going to have a lab. Your lab looks exactly how I envisioned mine.

[@darianballard2074]

I wish you luck on finding a place and setting up a lab. God bless.

[@nettephar6402]

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[@Subway1427]

I used to follow you, and watch alot of your videos.
I find your experiments amazing, not that I would try too many myself, (too many restrictions here) but the care you show and the love you have of chemistry, is evident in every video.
What the hell happened to all of your previous uploads. I haven't seen you on youtube for quite some time.
Please, keep doing videos, sure, some may appear kinda scary, but being g educated on a subject helps everyone

[@darianballard2074]

RUclips attacked my channel about a years ago and I deleted all but one video and have now started uploading new videos. I have many of my videos on BitChute now. www.bitchute.com/channel/JJNI53eMMLUy/

[@chemistryscuriosities]

I hope you upload the video of setting the rest off. And the beautiful flash effect you did after the ETN shot. That was wicked.

[@_Kommissar_]

Would the Process for recrystallization be the same if I used 91% isopropanol? Is it necessary to neutralize it and if so is it still the same process but let's say instead of Acetone I used 91% isopropanol, because I've found with 91% isopropanol It creates a sponge that can be easily broken into a fine powder

[@darianballard2074]

Yes its the same process but you might need to warm the Isopropanol on a water bath or use way more of it. Yes it should be neutralize it.

[@rochemist5119]

Recrystallization is a necessary step to obtain a clean and stable product!

[@giulioalgusto6350]

How is the crystallization process?

[@longimanusisurus132]

Grande Darian grande!

[@ljubomirculibrk4097]

Please to all, do not use glass on glass or even worse metal on glass for stiring. Non cotact stiring, not even a magnetic bar teflon stirer.
Be aware of static electricity dangers, antistatic protection is mandatory!
Its nice to be a amature chemist, but for most its beter to be a practical and use it for more mandain things than this.
Electroplating, silver and recovery/refining, simple extractions (once a goldsmith).
In the US there is liberty to do everything at whil, by your own liking.
Not in my country, just be safe and smart!

[@darianballard2074]

This isn't that touchy, its not a peroxide or an azide, in fact its not even a primary.

[@KC9RXP]

Would a magnetic stirrer be safe to use during the recrystalization?

[@chucksneed1264]

yes

[@capitanarta]

Can it held it water after recrystallization ? Or better held in 50% ethanol ?

[@leocalderon2774]

Great man, love it 8*)

[@laddinimby]

Alcoholic sugars Nitrated - Same method used for Crystallization or with Methane ?😎

[@whatsup5914]

How much more water then actetone should be used liks should the acetone be 10% of the amount of water i use thanks for the help in advance

[@kylehowat6775]

I never understood the point of recrystallizing? Does it increase the detonation velocity? Or is it just for melt casting?

[@darianballard2074]

Recrystallizing is done to remove any residual acids and contamination left trapped in the end product. This is done for stability in both melt cast and storage.

[@nochitlins]

What is the solubility of ETN in acetone, at 50C and 0C, for example? I've searched and searched and found nothing specific. Lots of good info with respect to PETN and acetone, but nothing quantitative for ETN that I've been able to find: just qualitative statements like 'more soluble in acetone than in methanol'.

[@darianballard2074]

I really can't tell you. I couldn't find any good charts on that either, all i do is slowly add acetone till all the ETN has dissolved and use as little as possible. I normally don't bother heating ETN when doing this but it can be done so long as its kept under the boiling point of the acetone or reflux is used. Note only heat in a hot water bath or it could explode. I wouldn't even let the water bath come to a boil. It doesn't decompose/explode till around 160C but once it gets over 61c it becomes very unstable and dangerous. Over the melting point of 61C/142f its 5 times more sensitive than TATP.

[@arty7122]

Can I ask, does ethanol work the same as acetone - you dissolve it and add water, or is there some other procedure for the ethanol way

[@darianballard2074]

ethanol does work

[@Tigris_River_Sand_Fleas]

@@darianballard2074 Do you ever recrystallize more than once?

[@darianballard2074]

@@Tigris_River_Sand_Fleas I don't store anything, but if I was going to store something for a long time I would recrystallize a few times.

[@user-dp6my7nn9q]

Would the recrystallization process be the same if I used 99.9% Isopropyl (IPA) instead of acetone to neutralize it?

[@darianballard2074]

Yes, it would be very similar but you may have to warm the IPA

[@user-dp6my7nn9q]

@@darianballard2074 Ah okay, there is a time it's hard to find pure acetone here in my area but however, is there a standard temperature for recrystallization of etn in warm IPA?

[@darianballard2074]

@@user-dp6my7nn9q No, just do it in a warm water bath. Boil water then take off the burner and warm the IPA in that. Keep it all away from the burner because ETN can still go off in solution if any gets on the burner.

[@manolis7500]

hi , friend, your video is very nice, I want to ask you a question, do you need the hmtd recrystallized so that it doesn't get damaged with the laps of time?

[@laddinimby]

Can I Recrystallised with Methanol + Ethanol ? Can I make Nickel Perchlorate with Nickel Metal with HCLO4, Please do Reply ❤️

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

Yes to both

[@shooterhitman47]

Hello friend, what proportions of sulfuric acid, nitric acid and erythritol do you recommend for a yield of 100g of ETN.

[@darianballard2074]

Check my other channel www.bitchute.com/channel/JJNI53eMMLUy/

[@rochemist5119]

Еxactly!

[@andrewv4397]

Hey man I love the video but I there were some things that scared me in the video. You aren't supposed to be vaccuum filtering explosives and you also have a large amount of it just chilling there. When you were scraping the glass with the thermometer without any type of protection at all I was really concerned. I know it's a secondary but man if it confines itself and manages to detonate you are going to be one dead man. I don't know if I'm over exaggerating but I made ETN before but I stayed below 2 grams and when I was handling it I was wearing thick ass leather gloves, goggles (I need a face shield), and thick clothes. Like I said I don't know if I'm overreacting but with a sensitivity of 2 Nm it's far from insensitive. Stay safe.

[@darianballard2074]

You never vacuum filter primaries but you always vacuum filter stable , low volatility secondaries in a laboratory environment, so thats where you're wrong. :) ETN and other secondaries that you see me scraping isn't a problem especially when wet. LOL don't try that with nitroglycerin though. Thanks for the comment .

[@andrewv4397]

@@darianballard2074 Yea now that I think about it you're right haha. Yea I wouldn't try to scrape nitroglycerin although I wonder how easily it'd detonate from scraping since it is kinda oily if I remember right. Looking back I was probably exaggerating a little bit but in my defense you can never be too safe with these types of things. Explosives aren't very forgiving haha. Anyway keep it up!

[@Tigris_River_Sand_Fleas]

@@andrewv4397 There's safe and then there is idiot safe. Idiot safe is usually the ones that get hurt/killed the fastest. None of these materials are dangerous in a wet state especially after cleaning and recrystallizing.

[@sarahtomc2921]

is it safe to store etn in aluminium tubes for blasting cap projects? i know that thermal shock when it confined in aluminium or iron will set it off. i want to know if there is any unwanted reactions in aluminium tubes? thanks

[@darianballard2074]

I don't store anything but i can tell you if you don't get all the acid back out of the ETN it wouldn't work out well to store it in AL

[@sarahtomc2921]

@@darianballard2074 thanks for your answer. its hard washed and recrystallized with ethanol

[@sarahtomc2921]

@@darianballard2074 is it safe if etn directly contacts with black powder or rocket candy or iron oxide thermite for a long time? i mean any possible reactions between etn and black powder that may cause decomposition or maybe detonation? thanks

[@darianballard2074]

@@sarahtomc2921 No it should be fine, but keep in mind high temps and impact can set ETN off. Also if its near something like BP and the BP detonates it could set the ETN off. I never recommend storing any explosives.

[@sarahtomc2921]

@@darianballard2074 thanks for the answer. yeah i used heat shocking method for etn detonators in metal tubes with sparkler... but looking for something cleaner. thermal shock in metal tube always works... but what about black powder on top of pressed etn? looking for a clean nped method... i dont really like to use primaries... those are scary :D

[@John-un3lj]

So, it's the same principle as with nitrating cellulose? 'Washing' it as it were?

[@darianballard2074]

Yes and no, this is washing the inside not washing the out side. With ETN we already washed the out side. :) This video shows the first wash like your talking about. www.bitchute.com/video/78uQsxtKK3rE/

[@mjlr4369]

Before Re-crystallization we need to neutralize, for which we need sodium bicarbonate water solution in order to remove trapped acetone,
Kindly help me prepare 1 liter of solution,
How much sodium bicarbonate (powder) should i add to the Distilled water ???
Plz be in detail....
I also have ethanol available, isnt that good choice ?

[@ArtificialEquestrian]

You should dissolve 100g of Sodium bicarbonate in 1 liter of distilled water to make a roughly 10% acidity neutralization soda solution. By the way, MeOH and EtOH are better for recrystallization of ETN than Acetone or Butanone. Ketones are not ideal solvents for completely strategic recrystallization of nitrate esters such as ETN, they are too retaining and also produce large sensitive crystals most of the time when used like seen here in this video. Low molecular weight alcohols are the best solvents for recrystallization of ETN and nitrate esters above it in molecular weight, as they are less harsh/hard solvents than the ketones and also engender the development of more stabilized and uniform crystalline structures, as well as microcrystalline precipitates that create higher density final products if you choose to make a plasticized plastic explosive with your ETN.

[@joeyweber6158]

Can the acetone be substituted for methanol?

[@darianballard2074]

I haven't done it that way but it should work. Warm ethanol or methanol is a viable solvent (close to 10 g of ETN/100 ml EtOH). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythritol_tetranitrate

[@SSS-cp1op]

How do you separate your ETN from the nitration solution

[@darianballard2074]

Filter or vacuum filter www.bitchute.com/video/78uQsxtKK3rE/

[@SSS-cp1op]

@@darianballard2074 what ratio for AN instead of nitric acid everything else being same

[@darianballard2074]

@@SSS-cp1op Nope and it doesn't work very well using that method.

[@SSS-cp1op]

@@darianballard2074 what’s with the ethanol says to use it to extract from nitration solution? I have done everything I thought I messed the synthesis up but guess not it got thick and I filtered as you say in video. So wasn’t sure if it was etn or not in that form where it’s like pancake batter

[@mixermixerun4670]

Is this process valid for stable explosives such as PETN / MHN?

[@darianballard2074]

yes

[@MOJTABASHOMAL]

hi
have a question why recrystalization is important ?
is it just for stablising or can effect (increasing)sensitivity?

[@darianballard2074]

For stabilizing for long term storage. It is more sensitive after recrystallization.

[@MOJTABASHOMAL]

@@darianballard2074
thank you very much

[@markharder3676]

What's the structural difference between ETN and PETN?

[@karolus28]

petn hates jews

[@ArtificialEquestrian]

ETN is made from the nitration of the linear aliphatic sugar alcohol polyol Erythritol, whereas PETN is made from the branched aliphatic polyol Pentaerythritol (in this context the prefix ‘penta’ is denoting the fact that five carbon atoms are present). Like Nitroglycerin, and also the higher molecular weight non-branched polyols and cyclopolyols above it, ETN has a positive oxygen balance. When ETN combusts, specifically, it releases one molecule of O2 for every 2 molecules of Erythritol tetranitrate. PETN, like TNT and RDX for example, has a negative oxygen balance; This means that it is deficient in oxygen and the corresponding result is the fact that portions of its molecule will go suboxidized or unoxidized during combustion. PETN is not nearly as oxygen balanced negative as TNT or RDX however. One can imagine for simplicity of thought that the central quaternary carbon atom in PETN’s Neopentane skeleton goes fully unoxidized in a perfect world, when in reality, it is predominantly oxidized partially to CO, ~Carbon monoxide~ at the expense of one of the “Methylene nitrate” group’s carbon atoms that would otherwise go fully oxidized itself to CO2. Therefore, for every single molecule of Pentaerythritol tetranitrate, its full combustion is deficient by one molecule of O2.
You posted this question 10 months ago at the time of me writing this. I therefore assume you are aware of this information already. That being said, I still wanted to post this here for the record and for future reference by others possibly analyzing this comments section who may not be fully aware of this specific knowledge in regards to the technical differences between ETN and its ‘bigger brother’ PETN.

[@markharder3676]

@@ArtificialEquestrian Thank you for the answer. I really appreciate the details. No, I hadn't looked it up since posting it.

[@mrgreenswelding2853]

How do you make etn?

[@darianballard2074]

You will have to go to Bitchute to see that. www.bitchute.com/video/78uQsxtKK3rE/

[@jordanhess2061]

Is acetone the best solvent to use ?

[@darianballard2074]

It's the only one I've tried.

[@jordanhess2061]

@@darianballard2074 good, I heard someone say it makes it less stable. They said methanol or ethanol are better. Can that make a difference ?

[@darianballard2074]

@@jordanhess2061 It makes no difference in stability, if you're talking about storage.

[@isaachagenbuch4584]

Do you have somewhere you post videos where they don’t get removed?

[@darianballard2074]

www.bitchute.com/channel/JJNI53eMMLUy/

[@rickjwilliams]

Off Topic.. Could you do a video on double displacement (NON anode/cathode) of making potassium chlorate(KCLO3) from Bleach Sodium Hypochlorite. The question that puzzles me is about the yield. Normal bleach contains about 5% sodium hypochlorite. What would be the best ratio of Potassium Chloride to Sodium Hypochlorite = best yield? Would the same ratio apply if I used a stronger Sodium Hypochlorite 20-30%?

[@darianballard2074]

I may make a video on it. First you must boil the sodium hypochlorite and that will brake it down into sodium chlorate, sodium chloride and water. Then you would do the dd reaction with the potassium chloride. You would likely only get 1/2 the chlorate out as the hypochlorite you started with.

[@NvrchFotia]

Any tips for getting smaller crystals?

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

Pour a smaller stream, or drip it into really fast stirring water.

[@ArtificialEquestrian]

Do not employ a ketone solvent. Use small molecular weight alcohols like Wood spirit (Methanol, MeOH) or denatured Ethyl alcohol ~Ethanol~ (DeOH® [EtOH w/ MeOH]) and dissolve 8-10g of ETN per 80ml of alcoholic solvent at a temperature[🌡️] of 40°C, then either shock-cool the solution in a freezer set to -20--30°C or by slowly adding in ice-cold distilled water via dripping into the solution until you know all the ETN has crashed out. Both of these methods yield very fine talcum-like microprecipitates with unparalleled performance in PBX compositions. Of course, this is not limited to ETN. It also works much the same way with PETN, including the other higher molecular weight nitrate esters of the assorted polyols.

[@johnkitz1996]

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[@darianballard2074]

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[@srosspoeng1111]

Hello l want to know full name of ETN?

[@darianballard2074]

Erythritol tetranitrate

[@darianballard2074]

More information here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythritol_tetranitrate

[@JJW83641]

idk what the heck this

[@darianballard2074]

Erythritol tetranitrate (ETN), an ester of nitric acid and erythritol, is a solid crystalline explosive with high explosive performance

[@cartboy2404]

can i use Dibutyl phthalate (DBP) to plasticize ETN ?

[@darianballard2074]

I don't think it by it self would work you would have to do some experiments to find out. Also be careful because we don't know if it will react with ETN.

[@cartboy2404]

@@darianballard2074 ok, thx for reply.. i wiill try some experiment with that. Do you have any other suggestions for plasticizing etn with other materials? is hard to get PIB here.

[@darianballard2074]

@@cartboy2404 I use VICTOR rubber cement for tire repair, the kind i use says "use for all types of rubber repairs" It comes in a yellow container and i use it the same way i use the PIB tape. www.plumbersstock.com/3rd_10863751_CEMENTRUBBER8OZ.html?adpos=&scid=scplp599726&sc_intid=599726&gclid=CjwKCAiAm7OMBhAQEiwArvGi3O1LNc4GZX3YrQGUt_BTGGO5OYavI-fE4COY2e8vgax1V1STEYtw_RoC3PoQAvD_BwE

[@cartboy2404]

@@darianballard2074 Next I want to try using Hydrogenated polyisobutene, Can it? because it is hard to find PIB here. maybe you have a clue?

[@ArtificialEquestrian]

​@@cartboy2404
HPIB is perfectly suitable, you may use it in the same quantity as you would regular PIB. In regards to DIBUTYL PHTHALATE, it is an excellent general purpose plasticizer despite its smaller molecular weight when compared to Diethylhexyl phthalate, and works very good to keep your plastic explosive malleable and soft, even without a strategic free-radical eliminating antioxidant present, like Diphenylamine or p-Nitroaniline. For the best results, use something like:
· 85% ETN
· 10% HPIB
· 5% DIBUTYL PHTHALATE
The physical characteristics will be very comparable/similar to that of C4 or Semtex if you prepare this plasticized plastic explosive correctly.