Sword of Convallaria | In-Depth GAMEPLAY + MECHANICS Breakdown
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If they just sold me the full game (story mode), preferrably hard copy for switch, I'd pay full price for that. I know that's not very 2024, but I like to own stuff.
All these comments seem to be failing to grasp that two things can simultaneously be true. This can be a great game while at the same time gacha and F2P gaming can be a horrible cancer that are causing the industry to shift toward producing garbage.
If the keys are never a barrier I'm a bit confused as to why they exist in the first place. I'll remain skeptical on that point.
It's the biggest potential problem, gotta see how it shakes out.
Indeed.
I’m interested to see how this is actually implemented long term, as I can’t imagine they’ve created an entire system to gate progression only to make it so progression isn’t… gated?
If it’s anything like how keys are implemented in Genshin Impact, Their primary function would be to slow players down to promote longer-term engagement. A full 50 hour campaign can be beaten in a few days, which will cause players to leave sooner than the dev would like. Additionally, If players complete story contact gradually, gives the dev time to release more story content without the players losing interest too quickly.
Like @DerekElden says, it's not that they are "never a barrier" it's that they are only a barrier if you progress faster than the devs want you to.
I'm happy you got sponsorship for this; I think coverage of this game will grow your channel immensely.
Btw, do you know if you can link your account across platforms? (commenting this before watching the full video)
Absolutely love these games. It’s sad that there aren’t more. Played Final Fantasy Tactics and Front Mission 3 like crazy in High School.
Tactics ogre got a remaster recently. Mercenaries wings is a new franchise. Langrisser got a new release. Unicorn overlord was one of the most acclaimed tactical releases of last year.
Sprgs have been growing more and more as of late, so theres plenty of titles to play.
Not often I see an ad for a game thats right up my alley. Very optimistic about this one.
sprite art looks cute asf
The art is really really nice, yeah.
No matter what you release people will always say something dumb. Learn to appreciate This game is FREE. Give me a free title better than this ill wait. 🤷🏻♂️
If youre a fan of the said genre youll play no matter what. FFT fans been playing WOTV for years and this is better than WOTV.
I remember when I first heard that WotV was being developed, and I got so excited for a new FF Tactics type game (including graphic style). I was so disappointed they went with low quality 3D models instead of something more like Sword of Convallaria. This is exactly what I had been waiting for, so excited for SoC!
I'm still afraid that the game will be P2W at some point, that I will have to pay to access the rest of the story, etc.
I would prefer to pay full price for a game and be sure that the game is complete. But hey, I'll try it anyway, I really liked the demo!
The muscle axe women is a must for your story playthroughs.
Thank god someone is making a Final Fantasy Tactics game, because Square is obviously allergic to money. I will be buying this day 1. Thanks for the overview!
It is a free to play game, but I am not familiar with the monetization they will be deploying with the game. Regardless, I was able to get several hours of fun out of just the demo.
Square just collaborated on Triangle Strategy 2 years ago. It's a fantastic game too!
I hope the cross-progression functionality works smoothly so you can pick up and play on each platform as you desire. I am confused by the separation between Campaign and Gacha modes, but still hopeful this game will be worth the time. It sure looks beautiful!
I LOVE games with both tactical combat and strategic management layers that interact with one another, like XCOM or Battletech. And I like it when those systems require you to manage a whole roster instead of just focusing on one A team. I am very intrigued to see how this plays for myself!
Also, I’ll be using both PC and mobile (assuming your account can be used on both, I don’t know why it wouldn’t) until there’s a Switch version. Once I can use my Switch that’s probably all I’ll need
Didn't catch if you mention it but you can bring in 3 Gacha charcters as is into every replay of the story mode.
Ahhh, interesting.
Something you didnt cover and my biggest problem with mobile games is how much time does it take? Some of these mobile games require you to play insane amounts of time to keep up with the game.
Story moves at a good clip, I of course haven't seen the whole thing but I haven't felt a ton of bloat yet. Still early days tho
As gacha games go, I feel like Another Eden was the only game that pulled off the truly-free-to play thing without things feeling like a sleazy attempt to pitch you microtransactions (the soundtrack involved Yasunori Mitsuda, too, so I couldn't *not* try it)
If SoC winds up with a model more like that game, I'll probably play it 😊
@@reneepineau631 fingers crossed!
@@reneepineau631 Octopath CotC has too, and it's also the closest thing to Another Eden in the playstore
I played the TW version for a week back in September and I was able to get pretty powerful in that time without spending money. Granted, I spent a good amount of my free-time playing it during that week.
this si gacha..games like this ruin.the fun for me..if they can make alchemist code run on ps5 or xbox offline no gacha they can make money on it.and the game has the best story wasted on gacha and online
This thing is a Gacha?
If so, hard pass.
@@FabschOblivion669 it's two modes. One is online gacha, one is a single player traditional campaign w/some roguelike stuff.
So much potential wasted on gachashit
You lost me at gacha
Your loss 🤷
@@TitaniumLegman Avoiding a gacha is perfectly valid. No need to hit people with that sort of comment.
@@Ragnarok2060 he is sponsored what do you expect 🤷🏻♂️
Same
@@N8zPro it's just a good game, relax.
Is good game but after hear gatcha 100% after 1 month this game will not balance
Oof. F2P and gacha. Hope it turns out good, but not holding out much hope when even straight tactics titles have been pretty bad lately.
I feel like if you enjoyed Triangle Strategy or FFT; playing through the non-gacha side Spiral Destiny is an absolute no brainer. A free, multi-branching story that encourages reruns.
I was lucky enough to get into the short 1 week of the final CBT, I can't wait for release. I'll be meddling in all aspects of the game (gacha and non) so glad to see more of your content covering SoC!
I was under the assumption that single-player would bleed into the gatcha, and vice versa. The fact that you get generics every week instead of having to pull for them is a much better way to do things.
I will not recommend the game to people I dont know well, because I can't know if any access to gatcha will get them to become addicted, but there are a very small amount of people I know who can avoid that temptation and might enjoy this.
spam a few hours of fun, get bottlenecked by real money requirements, and walk away with no regrets! same as usual
Maybe! I played the TW version for a week (at least a few hours a day) last year and didn't hit any bottleneck. Eventually it will likely come to that, but the game definitely rewards you for wise moves. There are a lot of viable characters, especially if you don't care about PvP.
If it's good, why wouldn't you spend something to keep going? If you get 50 hours of great gameplay for 20 bucks, that is a steal.
@@thec9424 I'd be willing to pay $50 up front for this game, but I won't ever invest my time in a game that's constantly trying to pull more money out of me.
@Watdee This game is not for everyone. Just ignore it and play something else. No matter what they do, you won't be happy because at the end of the day, it has a gacha side.
@@thec9424 Thanks for the advice, I guess? I was already planning to ignore it. Are you implying that I should also not share my opinion about it?
YAY It's LEGMAN endorsed. It has to be good.
Not just me! Coffee Potato liked it when he checked it out a while back too!
FTP hyper monetised mobile game 🤮Love the graphics though on this but hopefully the FFT remaster gets announced soon :)
I've never gone from Excited to unexcited so quickly before.
@@shawnw86 why?
@@TitaniumLegmanthese people are incredibly toxic. They think they are credible sources for discussing addiction, even though none of them have any psychology education. And when called out for spreading misinformation, they resort to personal attacks. They're Dunning Kruger Effect victims.
@@TitaniumLegman I'm guessing phone gatcha. Because wow. That blew all my excitement out the window. Waste of music talent.
Atleast try it first? There's a demo on steam.
@@6thstanza700 it definitely helps your opinion to have credibility when you don't even spell the genre correctly 😆
I have been looking forward to this game for a while now. Glad to see it's looking good ahead of release.
Also happy to see that the gatcha side is not intrusive to the single player. (And if it ever is I will drop the game immediately.)
Totally fair.
I hope more people are as open minded as you regarding this 'gacha' game. Some people wouldn't even try playing as soon as they heard it's a gacha game.
It's not the gacha that will drive you away from the single-player side -- it's the endurance. Enjoy it while it lasts!
I don't have a lot of games to play these days...and now I see a 8 -bit graphics game ??? Come on .... I would have played it if it were controllable with keyboard and mouse. But you use pointer to drag things around... 😢😢😢 Such a no go .....why are PPL hyping these games 😮😮....
I'm really looking forward to this game. Hope to see more videos on this!
I do enjoy turn based games. but I do not like the business model doesn't really suit this game at all. only game that would really rival this game would have been the Shining Force Remake, but after the devs received backlash for implementing a similar gacha business model and having their own issues within their company they decided to cancel it.
I one of those people who play xcom type game adds mods to make higher party size. If it doesn't do it i wont play. If annoying hard I'm going to play it... I am bi-polar and add so that is no joke for idiots who always want to ruin game by making shit too difficult.
Definitely gonna check it out.
I can use a new mobile game for on the road after AFK Journey basically ran its course already, ending up a boring nothingburger.
P2W gatcha game = hard pass. A shame cos it looks good too.
You're missing the point that the campaign isn't even connected to any gatcha systems. They don't exist there. It's just a straight up campaign beyond the keys to unlock chapters. You literally can't pay to win.
@@TitaniumLegman gacha isn't just the pulling. It's the UI and random rewards for shit spamming you with 20 blue crystal shits.
@@mobius4247 if that was true you could find all sorts of games on the market with no gacha mechanics that are apparently gacha
@@TitaniumLegman there are games with moronic mobile UIs and they do also suck. But that doesn't make them Gacha. Just like a dog having 4 legs doesn't make it a cat. Your argument is close but not quite there. Glad to have your take on the game though. It's a good video and you do make good content. Keep it up!
hear me out; leveling-up and upgrades are often a place where Gotcha game exploit players for money. Also, at times leveling-up and upgrades are the solution to winning and not actual game-play strategy. I'm starting to think I don't want leveling-up and upgrades in a tactic game
The thing is, there's literally zero connection to any paid boosts or anything in the campaign it's exclusively standard leveling. Looking at the online Gatcha side, different story, but my focus is the campaign so I'm not too worried about it.
Just look at Fire Emblem Heroes and how fuck-awful that game is vs other games in that franchise.
They are completely separate, so much that how you build your characters use completely different systems. On the gacha side you have a simple tech tree. In the single player you either get them from certain quests or you have a training yard where you choose between actual skills (reactive, passive or active) or a different set of passive skills.
In the gacha you choose which weapon you equip on a unit and you choose to raise the weapon's level and break its level etc. in the single player there is none of that. You can craft weapons in the forge or get from a quest, but there is no upgrading them.
The art style is great, the music is great and the story was fun in the demo. Look forward to trying it out some more.
No thanks, smells of mobile phone garbage. Bummer because its gorgeous and the classes/gameplay look amazing.
Hmmm... Tactics ogre/Triangle strategy set the bar real high for this genre....
Sword of Convo is a big disappointment. It's a free to play gacha game that's built like a mobile game. A lot of people were very unhappy about this, but we were told the gacha mechanics would not interfere if you just wanted to play through the story. After playing the demo, this is clearly not the case. The gacha store and mechanics are in your face from the beginning.
Basically, you play a few scenes from the "story", then get dumped into your standard mobile gacha front end interface. An over world map which is just a series of points representing maps that you have to play repeatedly to clear with different ratings. You get your new characters strictly from the gacha mechanic, that is, if you only want to play the story, you must use the gacha store, there is no in story recruiting shop or guild. Just standard east asian gambling monetization.
I uninstalled it. Too bad, it could have been a gem.
None of this is true, you have no idea what you're talking about lol. If you watched the video and didn't just rage post, you'd know that.
Tactis Ogre : Reborn has just too much quality content for me to care about any other tactical RPG other than a potential Final Fantasy Tactics Remake/Remaster
....what an odd way to go about things. This one may not be much but there's a million great tactics games out there old and upcoming. Why deny yourself?
@@FLIK510 I'm just still not done with TO:R is all
Wait so the single player campaign is no gacha ? That’s a good balance
It's more like gacha-optional, plus it has endurance to throttle your progression. (Unless you are willing to pay, of course.)
If this is like Brave Frontier meets FF Tactics, I'm in!
For those who hate gacha and are downplaying the single player part, I have a question for you:
How many hours of fun would it take for you to spend 20 bucks on a game?
Depends on the quality of fun. I don't think it comes down to dollars per hour. Put to guess a number... 40 hours? I dunno.
sorry but you gacha put games like this directly in the trashbin.
@@brendoncahill7096 Why? Give me an actual reason to not play a good game.
@@TitaniumLegmanits good game ignore cheap people
@@aidanyaman94not even cheap. Like they could choose to not spend a penny and get hundreds or even thousands of hours free and they still complain. They're really toxic people, and you can see a few of them already turning the comments into a dumpster fire with their misinformation spreading + fragile ego's.
Guardian Tales has something to say
I have played the demo to death already. I keep trying to argue with the anti-gacha hate mob in the message boards too.
Glad to know it is finally getting released. been hyped for the past few months. Hopefully the monetization is not too egregious, Like tower of fantasy or Genshin....
The pixel art looks so goooooood😊
No, thank you. I'll just stick with Final Fantasy Tactics.
Will play. Look beautiful.
I get that the combat is similar - there are many games with similar combat.
I would like to ask if there's anything similar to the FFT job system ?
I don't believe there is, no. It seems more akin to Triangle Strategy, where each character has a class and you can customize them from that baseline with a set of abilities you choose from for that class.
And the music is literally from the composer that did FFT. So there's that.
Very cool. Great video and great work, devs and present company. 🍻
No one makes a free to play game without it trying to dive into your wallet whole hog. I don’t care how pretty or how innocuous it looks or feels. The gacha mechanics aren’t lying when it says “Gotcha!”.
I’ll pass personally. I only pay for my games once and done. The rest of you guys can do whatever you like. Flowery words mean nothing when my money is concerned.
@@multidinero correct, that's why there's a whole online gacha side of the game.
Just because they are trying to dive into your wallet doesn't mean you have to let them.
Personally I get a ton of enjoyment out of these free games at the expense of others who do want to pay.
Gacha games will always optimize for dollars per user instead of fun per play session. I'm gonna pass. Theres plenty of fun to be had on this earth without supporting unethical business models.
Grats on the sponsorship man. I'm definitely trying it out day one and doing both gacha and story. I was kinda disappointed with war of the visions so I'm hoping that I'll enjoy this more. I mean I still played wotv for like a year so I'm probably in regardless lol
The single player idea feels like a cover for the gacha. Like, this is true for most gacha games where you can experience the story, but all the content is for the gacha side. I appreciate the coverage here but we don't need more gacha games. It's like a profit hack that broke gaming.
@@Ragnarok2060 Think what you want, but all the cutscenes, story and mechanics have been in the single player.
@@Ragnarok2060 yes we do need more gacha games. For gamers who have disposable income they'd like to spend on games they enjoy. And for f2p folks like me to get YEARS of live service free content.
One of the best games I've ever played in my 35ish years of gaming is a gacha game I've spent zero pennies on.
But I guess go off with projecting your immaturity in money management 🤷♂️
@@TitaniumLegman Yeah but the same is true for basically every gacha game. It's a gateway drug.
@@gotaplanstan This is a wild take my man. Gacha games employ known predatory techniques. Thanks for insulting me by the way, you're projecting your immaturity at civil discourse I guess.
@@gotaplanstan What an absolutely unhinged take lmao
For every one of you "pure f2p folks who get YEARS of live service free content" there's 10 people that get their gambling addictions exploited by flagrant cash grab gacha games.
Interesting 2 side of mode, i don’t really like gacha overall bcs of i want to play the character but gated by gacha and taking lot of time to farm 1 character, the story mode is interesting one gated by keys, hopefully this keys is f2p friendly, idk why they don’t go like HsR route, no need to gate story by keys(if things go south they can gate it with money)
The graphics look dope.
>mobage
I mean get that bag but nobody is going to touch it
@@zipperman6045 I sincerely don't think that's true, but you do you brother.
@@TitaniumLegmanI just personally don't feel like endorsing half of a game which will be subsidized by gambling when I've got a backlog of actual games right
That's fine, my point is just that there are a lot of people who are looking to play, that's all.
I hope this game is f2p friendly like HSR or Wuthering Waves
If this game is not a 2D pixel style, I will 100% play it. I am not a fan of pixel game, it is a skip for me.
please be small and Offline :3
When I tried the demo for this, there was a weird bug with targeting where ranged attacks would frequently not be able to pass through certain empty spaces. I had a few times where melee attacks couldn't be used, either. I never figured out what was causing it, but it was always consistent once I found a case (it didn't matter which character I tried) and seemed to be based on the positioning of other units even if they were out of the line of fire. I submitted a bug report but never heard anything more about it. Hopefully they fixed that, because it got frustrating quickly.
Interesting, I haven't encountered anything like that myself. Fingers crossed!
So the gatcha part is just the online right? You can play solo without it?
Correct
Seems like a pretty fun looking game. I'm excited
This game makes me sad, and this new information makes me even less interested in it.
If there is truly no reason to participate in the gacha, then why is it there? I’d rather they charge for a full single player game with no gacha and put all their efforts into that instead of splitting it.
The poor dialog and small party size are also marks against it in my book.
It's there because the gacha spenders are subsidizing the free campaign for everyone else. How is that not obvious?
I tried the demo, but...the gacha elements make it garbage for me. Not interested.
It will be available on Steam without the gacha element.
@@vector6077 Will it? I tried the demo on Steam, and it was still purely gacha.
The campaign has no Gatcha. Just pass the tutorial and access the spiral of destinies. The game will point you right to it.
@@TitaniumLegman Alright, I just didn't play far enough. I did the first couple of fights in the tutorial, but got annoyed and decided not to continue. I'll give it another shot.
I believe it's like... 4-5 fights total, then you hit the campaign IIRC. I hope you wind up enjoying it.
OOH this game looks good
Thanks it looks interesting. I know you said it but just wanted to see if it had any more specific similarities to fire emblem like green units you can talk to mid combat that join you, is there like a monaster, somniel, castle type location you go to when youre not battling, any support type convos between who the MC and his companions and any romance type ending like three houses or engage? Also any similarities to unicorn overlord?
I haven't seen any mid battle recruits, tho there are NPCs that will fight alongside you. You have a whole town you visit and use when not in battle. No support conversations that I've seen, nor any romance. It's quite different from UO, much closer to Tactics Ogre and FFT than Ogre Battle or UO.
Definitely dropping WOTV for this
Fantastic video!
Stopped watching when he said “gacha”
@@ageup7493 your loss
Yeah I'll continue watching but, hearing gacha is a GIANT GIANT red flag. We'll see what else he has to say but, I'm not optimistic. Gacha is a plague.
@@TitaniumLegman sorry, but nothing good comes from gacha. And im sure behind your sponsors you know that too.
@@ageup7493 I've made as many lifetime friends from gachas as I have from MMOs. Like TL said, your loss 🤷♂️
I was praising this game and expressing excitement for it long before I got a sponsorship. I always played and enjoyed Genshin Impact and Fire Emblem Heroes. Don't make assumptions about me when you're talking out your ass chief.
2 minutes in: Gacha
Alright, it was good while it lasted
The main element normally missing from games 'like FFT' tends to be just good old-fashioned random battles. Allows you to lvl alts, try different stuff, etc. Almost unlimited gameplay before final boss. This have random battles of some sort?
Sounds like you need the DISGAEA franchise in your life.
It does, sorta. You choose what missions you're going on each week, and the non story missions are randomly generated with different maps, objectives, enemies etc. It's not random in that it'll trigger randomly on a tile, but it is a random assortment of pieces.
I'd like to get the most out of this game, so I had planned to play both the gacha and non-gacha sides of it. Is it worthwhile to take this approach, or does the amount of duped content between them make it superfluous? Basically, what I'm asking is: are there cross-incentives to play both sides of the game without repeating yourself?
@@schmiggidy From what I've seen, it's two distinct but intertwined stories, and you'll get different characters and mechanics in each mode. I definitely think there's merit to playing both, I will be.
@@TitaniumLegman Fantastic, that's what I was hoping for. Thx for the prompt reply. Subbed! :)
That thumbnail knows what it's doing🤣
What's up with these youtubers reviewing this game. They're all saying the same exact thing as if they have a script.
I wrote my own script, so if anyone sounds the same as me I guess it's plagiarism. 🤣
Being gacha game where you spin for a new characters made me think the story will be super shallow. 😢
Story will be separate. There's no pulling for characters in the campaign, it's traditional recruitment. Only gacha stuff is in the online mode.
take a look at limbus company
I commend you for bringing this game to attention for everyone.
Unfortunately for me and other console-only players, this game is PC only. Additionally, we won't have to wait much longer, as the heavily-rumored FFT remaster is coming soon.
Not trying to convince you to try it, do you, but this is a mobile game, you should be able to play it on most smartphones.
No they also will release it on switch :v
@@akidibrahim906 Don't have a Switch. I do plan to get a Switch 2, though.
@@HeroicCid Nobody plays mobile games.
@@mountainmgtow5421 they're more popular than console and PC games in the East, which is the world's primary gaming region
Finally, RUclipsrs giving atention to SoC, this niche game needs to grow!
Octopath traveler 2 gameplay stream?
Can't wait to get started streaming this later this month!
I've been streaming Octopath CotC for about 1.5 years now, and there's definitely folks out there looking for gacha content to consume (both in vod and live stream formats). Usually there's spenders making content, which is nice for me cuz there's plenty of people wanting to consume f2p content too :)
so bs gacha? nah
Any info on guild systems?
any samurai, monks, ninja like FFT?
Haven't seen samurai or monks yet. Ninja are sorta in in the way the reapers work. But there's a lot of classes I haven't seen from the other nations.
YOU ARE AWESOME! ❤❤❤
In either story mode is there a limit to how many characters you can recruit
@@michaelmarks161 I haven't seen an upper limit yet.
@@TitaniumLegman thank you for your reply
@@michaelmarks161 any time! 👍
When does the game open?
31st July (America time).
As long as the game is good and the required investment to play it through 3 times is less than 60 dollars I will be happy. If I am getting quality time out of something the creators deserve compensation, regardless of media. Even if that means typing out a rambling comment durring a set of RUclips ads. 😊
You're a real one sir, thank you.
Does it have autoplay?
I haven't seen an option for it.
It does, yes, at least for the resource grinding stages.
@@RusyChicken it does, its the A/M button on top left hand. A = Auto and M = Manual.
Can we play it on android phones?
Yes
this has been on my wishlist for awhile
Jeez sorry dude, so many toxic people in the comments already 😔
Fwiw, it's always nice to see you hyped about new games. Looking forward to more content on the game as it nears its launch, and then post launch too if you're enjoying it!
Oh it's all good, I expected it. Really I'm just hoping that I can clarify the whole deal with the single player so people who might have been turned off of it give it a shot.
And yeah, I'm hoping I can make a much of content about it. Fingers crossed!
Hey bud! I am glad u been doing well. I am excited to ur coverage on this game. Hope the best for u
I just can't get past the art style. Every single design looks like a fan art copy of a copy of a character from a more famous game. Like they just straight up stole Serenoa's look from Triangle Strategy for their main character. Some good potential but I don't need a watered down rehash of the same game I've played I've played a million times so wish they'd gone in an original direction.
and Triangle stole from tactics ogre.. lol
This is a mobile gotcha game which makes you a paid shill............J/S
Would have made a video on it anyway, because I like the game. Don't be an ass.
Looks cool, just registered for my phone for those down times at work XD