Inside the Menendez Movement l 20/20 l PART 1
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2021
- Menendez murder trial of 1990s gets reexamined by millions of views on TikTok: Part 1
Lyle and Erik Menendez were convicted in 1996 for killing their parents, and have been in prison for 26 years. Recently, young people on TikTok have renewed interest in the case.
#ABCNews #ABC2020 #Documentary #MenendezBrothers
i hate how sexualised they are on tiktok , they have had enough of that.
Fr
Exactly society is way too sexualized
North America is the worst though.
FRR
cringey ass edits...
the fact that the reporters are still defending the evil parents is truly disgusting. this case has to be reopened.
FOR REAL
I believe that life in prison is way to much maybe 20-30 years because at the end of the day they still committed a crime and a crime was committed on them so they don’t deserve life in prison but at least some time in prison
They were old enough to leave home.They planned and murdered their parents.Premeditated murder they could of left but they wanted the money.
@@VICTIMofUTUBESELLOUT So why would they kill for money if they were told they had no money in the will? They 100% didn’t kill for money LOL.... stupid stupid myth. Jose told them they were taken out of the will a year prior to the killings. It wasn’t planned. They bought the guns for self defense. It was too messy to be planned. The murders weren’t pre mediated and there is tons of evidence of that. Pls read up on the case and don’t just believe the 90s tabloids. They waited at the house for the police to come. If it was planned; then why would they confess to their psychologist?
Exactly
He told his cousin about the abuse when he was 8. An 8 year old makes that up?
parents aren't on trial.
@@dustynesmith The circumstances and what led up to the killings is important.
Yess
To my knowledge, there's actual evidence that he told his cousin when he was 8. His cousin stated that he was told years later. That doesn't prove anything. The cousin might be lying.
@Mariam Tehseen You are assuming he did say it when he was 8. He might just have orchestrated a story with his cousin. Maybe he really did tell his cousin when they were children - I don't know, there's no proof. We know the brothers killed their parents and we know they lied about it. Everything else is up in the air.
It’s so crazy how TikTok actually did this lol
True.
kids grow up and some chose other areas of interest
Funny how most of us are minors too
It’s victim culture and people who are fake victims are now even believed! It’s so obvious the whole thing was staged!
@@Theluckypessimist What was staged ? Because their legit victims. There’s evidence to prove and doctors records. All shown in their trials .
the fact they never pay attention to lyle, he went through the same. Just because their father payed more attention to abusing erik doesn’t mean lyle didnt feel the same.
Fr they BOTH deserve justice
Exactly what they said “one child killing their parents is a bad seed, but two children killing their parents is a bad family”
There are dysfunctional families all over, leave, they were adults. It was all about money and greed. They were not in imminent danger. And we will never hear parents side.
Perfectly said.
I used to think they killed for money. Now, I believe they were truly afraid of their father, and I think the father realized that his secret would be revealed. The fact that they killed their mom says a lot. I think there was a lot more to the story.
Guaranteed u weren't born yet.
White ppl always give excuses for their own smh
Can we stop already with the “Kitty was astonishingly beautiful” topic? She was average looking woman, nothing extraordinary about her looks, just totally normal
Fr when I saw her I was like “meh” lol not tryna be mean tho
@@glm557 In her younger days, Kitty was beautiful. Jose's affair with Louise, his mistress for years, and the drinking to cope did a number on her.
its because all the narrators are her age lmao
I think its about her beauty for her time. Like beauty standards change so of course NOW she isnt the same beautiful as she would’ve been back then
@@kimwarner1681 It's funny that people don't ask why Kitty didn't leave. She stayed with Jose and allowed her children to be raised in a toxic environment.
Dude the guy that said "2 spoiled rich kids spinning out of control"-Terry Moran, I just wanna 👨🏻🤛
But that’s what happened
@@judywalter9412 its not tho.
@@keyonnasheard3179 they did spin out of control
@@judywalter9412 they were drove too that point i can’t clearly see where they are coming from
@@keyonnasheard3179 they were tho
If the brothers were sisters it would be a different story, you can’t tell me different.
It wouldn’t be
@@candycorn5505 honestly i feel like yes
@@mirandadelvillar1009 mhmmm some
or most female rape and abuse reports are considered to be false, judges saying the female is just being dramatic or lying. i honestly think it depends on the judge tbh, they seem biased to me
@@t.munnich8528 women are believed on this stuff a lot more than men are
For real
When he talks about the trauma but then says he still admired his father.. that is the guilt given out of sexual abuse. You cannot make up a scenario like this without having the experience. Why aren’t officials opening up the case? Ridiculous.
Exactly
FR
Let's assume you're right, if your dad is Sexually abused you, would you take that as an excuse to kill your dad snd mom?
If you say yes you're just a vicious twisted person.
So still suffering in silence and having ur life be threatened is better? They literally could not flea their house. The dad had so much power even to the door that I don’t think even 3 strong men could open it. Jose made a grown man at the dealership cry. Their mom would lock Lyle in the closet and give him a portable potty to pee in. 9 hrs a day. If he wanted to use a real toilet their mom would come into the bathroom and watch them actually pee so they wouldn’t be lying. I’ve never been sexually abused and I’m not a man but imagining a 14 yr old boys mom watching him pee while going through puberty would make me feel disgusted about myself. They went through that their entire lives. That was the only way they could get out of the house. If I were them I’d do something like that too. Can’t remember which one but one of them said that their childhood ironically prepared them for the mess and chaos of prison. The deserved to be away from their so called parents and wanted nothing to do with them understandably. My heart breaks for them. If anything. They need years of therapy, support and love from someone they can trust. To be held and let the broken little inner child (kid Lyle and Eric) cry and heal him. Be held and loved knowing they will be safe in the persons arms🥺💔
@@44magnum73 have you been sexually abused by your father? Raped? Think about how heavy those words are, and what you would do if you couldn’t get away from that abuse without being killed yourself? The father said “I will kill you if you tell anyone” how is this not self defense. Not that I’m trying to start anything and I’m sure you haven’t been SA and if you have then you are very strong for not feeling hate and rage and wanting to act physically forwards them.
Can't help but wonder what would have happened if they'd been sisters instead of brothers.
The legal system (and our culture ) is still not taking male victims seriously...
@@LedXBL sexual assault in women is so much more public then men's. Men are often not believed when they come forward with they're sexual assault story's.
If they were women they would have been free by now but would have still been charged with something but for sure not life.
I agree. They think that men are the ones abusing women and often times men who get abused are told their feelings and trauma/abuse is not valid. And telling girls their feelings are valid and have every right to hate/be angry at or any other feelings. Men get traumatized just as much as women. But society not believing them makes them stay silent which in turn leads to the abuser getting away with it
Eric & Lyles father is the perfect example of a narcissistic sociopath who cared only about his image. #justiceformenendezbrothers
Roxanne M. Popovici- the sociopath who paid defense attorneys to get his sons off rather than go to juvenile hall after they had committed residential burglary? It’s a pity that he showed the boys that his money would allow them to escape consequences for their criminal behavior.
Yes and he’s no longer here to defend himself. I think the narcissist are those who killed their own parents. Reloaded and shot their mom in the face
@@Theluckypessimist Defend himself? He shouldn’t have abused his sons. Then there would be nothing to “defend”
@@jordanjohns7896 believe what you want. I’m saying it’s just one side of the story they only know what’s real or not
Or, possibly, Erik and Lyle are the narcissistic sociopaths, and Jose never did any of the things they accused him of. We will never know, since Jose wasn't alive to take the witness stand.
It so weird to see a movement about this when I was OBSESSED with this murder trial about 3 years ago, it's good to see this case being reopened with a fresh set of eyes
It's been a month and they still haven't reopened the case. They never will.
@@Bombo505 THEY WILL. IT WILL BE REOPENED. The movement hast just started more and more people will get to know what happened and of course the injustice.
When? I hope sooner
I'm really amazed how this horrendous case was brought back to life. The Menendez brothers deserve justice and so much more.
YES
Justice for killing their own parents? What a Sick mentality
@@44magnum73 you're in need of doing some more research on this case darling ;)
@@nuhasheikh3499 what? So you're saying they did not do it? Unbelievable 🤣
@@44magnum73 I never said they didn't do it darling!
This case needs to be reopened. They were escaping from their abusive parents.
They appealed multiple times. Every court that has considered their case has found them guilty. Except, of course, the court of social media, where the only thing that matters is the image you present.
@@danbryson3491 not really. The reason court found them guilty was because they didn’t believe the sexual assault and that they killed their parents for their money. Which is not true, they are not used to or can’t accept the fact that man can get raped too. Its not about the image.
@@minad37 Juries do not give reasons why they reach the verdicts they do; they just come out and say "On the counts of X, Y, and Z, we find the defendant guilty/not guilty." Your belief that the jury was biased is pure speculation.
For all the attention given to the abuse allegations, their relevance to the case was actually quite tenuous; the judge allowed them to be heard on the pretext that they were necessary for establishing that the brothers feared their parents. But when the actually RELEVANT details came out - the gun purchase lie, the fake 911 call, the therapist tape, etc. - that motive lost credibility.
@@danbryson3491 That's what I’m saying. you should know that juries are not always correct. this is one of those cases. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been in jail especially for first-degree murder since there was abuse involved. They HAVE to consider their mental health while convicting them because they didn’t have normal experiences so they basically don’t know how to react. Their case is just wrongfully convicted
@@minad37 Sentencing doesn't work that way. There's no "sliding scale of sanity." A person is either competent to stand trial, or they're not. They were found competent, and didn't try pleading insanity.
TIK TOK CRIME STANS WEE DID ITTT!!!
Did what! Wait- is their case getting reopened!!!
@@dracomalfoy5303 we got their attention. Sooner or later, the case will be reopen. Hopefully!!
They murdered their parents, they deserve to be in jail. End of
@@Harry-rm4in i get that murder is murder but in this case... it’s very different.
@@notpeterparker5565 no it's not, they brutally murdered their parents, regardless of their childhood trauma, that doesn't make it acceptable. There are a huge amount of abuse victims out there that don't shoot their parents with a shot gun, and actually turn their lives around for the better. Mind you if there was a country where you get away with a double homicide, it would be America
It's crazy to think that gen z is the reason their case is on the move
I don't like how this is being framed generations and how great gen z is gen z has a lot of proplems can we just found on the case
Because everyone has the balls now to voice out their opinions. So many things are slowy changing in this generation.
The fact they didn’t talk about the sexual abuse in the house is disgusting 😐
The mother is disgusting and pathetic allowing this but then she loved the lifestyle,shows how shallow she was
Honestly 15yrs would’ve done fine, these men were put through things no child should go through...especially from your parents. Getting a sentence of life without parole gives me no hope....
Kiara - parents who paid for their lawyers to keep the brothers out of juvenile hall when they had been caught burglarizing their neighbor’s houses in Calabasas. Right, they were so abused because their parents did their best to keep them from being held accountable for their actions.
They shot their mother in the face Yeah right bad justice system give me a break
They parents weren’t attacking the brothers at the time of the murders. So it is not legal self defense as it looked like an ambush.
@@colingallagher1443 so that completely dismisses his family's abuse? That one action was only to shelter the kids again.
@@ebebebbebebebbebe8291 - The brothers were 21 and 18. They could have moved out.
LMAOOO not the old people pressed in the comments
Yup. Makes me wonder what they did or had done to them that they think was okay
Lmaooo done
You mean the old timers who actually look at evidence and not judge innocent because someone is cute? You probably think OJ is innocent.
@@Squeegees123 Is murder ok? Where’s the evidence? What if someone said you did that, but you were not alive to defend yourself because that someone ended your life? They were grown men at time of killings. Had other choices. That fake 911 call. 😂, spending spree after. Financial motives. They should have outed their dad, ruined his life that way, if it was true, dad would be in jail and they’d be free. Dumb choices, consequences, your generation can’t get that. You will someday.
@@seeleygirl6178 i dont even think he’s cute. and no, i dont think oj is innocent 😌
Another series that won't be finished on youtube. How great.
Download Hulu or go to their website
@@AC-ly6tg ya but that costs money
@@anushkazumale7735 you can to to the abc website and watch for free . Has ads just like hulu
I'm sure ABC will leave you hanging. They never show the ending video.
Absolutely. Totally pisses me off.
I'm sure, but I've watched the documentary on them. There's a good one here on RUclips if you want to skip the sets of videos like these.
I watched the complete episode last night all it mentions is that they got married, I think Lyle was married to one girl for one year and got remarried again. And just very briefly showed pics of the wives and the brothers commented that it wasn’t a ltypical” marriage but that it works for them. They also help out in rehabilitation of other prisoners in their prison. I think it was some comments from other saying that letting murderers out from prison can also be dangerous, and another commented that they were victims of the time. Nothing special. They got life sentences.
Something I don’t think I saw in the finale was they were finally placed in the same prison not too long ago, for the first time ever. I got that piece of info from another news segment.
But we already know the ending
@@rhiannonrede its in the description where the full videos r
“Think what Jose did to his own kids”, think what maybe he did to OTHER KIDS who worked with him
Idgaf what you say the 90's were better than 2000's
Oh...by far! I feel honoured to have been alive and just the right age to enjoy the 90’s immensely! Lol.
True
80’s were the best
Let’s not sexualize them. They have been sexualized their whole life. They do not need teens and young adults sexualizing them when they get out. They will have social media and jobs and Maybe make their own family. Let’s focus on getting their justice and the little boys who were sexually assaulted free to live a little without abuse.
Brian Anderson, kitty’s brother, is a rotten liar....he lied on the stand and was definitely part of the reason they were not believed about being abused. Their whole family, even the kids, knew they were being abused and they chose to overlook it to keep their connection to Jose’s money. Absolutely sickening, the lot of them.
Isn't he the one that got the bulk of the Menendez family money?
@@jetpetty1613 apparently according to multiple articles, the estate paid off a lot of things(ie mortgages, debts) before going to Lyle and Erik then subsequently being spent on their case.
www.glossyfied.com/what-happened-to-the-menendez-brothers-money/
www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-the-menendez-brothers-money
There’s no mention of what happened to the houses/properties, so, perhaps their families did get something. I’d be shocked if they hadn’t fought for at least a piece of something.
@@r0ckymarie He agreed to testify for the prosecution AFTER he was informed by a probate judge that the case he brought to court (that because Kitty appeared to have survived Jose by a matter of seconds, he and his stepmother could get a share of the estate) wouldn't be ruled on unless the Menendez brothers were convicted. So, we see who was really money-hungry in this case.
@@Muirmaiden To say that Brian was greedy, therefore Erik and Lyle weren't, is a non sequitur.
@@danbryson3491 He wanted money from the estate because his sister survived her husband by matter of seconds. The brothers received no money from the estate, and contrary to rumor, there is no evidence that they killed for money. Brian Andersen Sr was willing to have his nephews on death row in return for a share of the estate. Not the loving brother he tried to portray himself as.
To answer your question about "does sexual abuse from your parent warrant murder", the answer is always yes.
Does it warrant it? Personally, I’d say yes. I couldn’t agree to locking up proven child abuse sufferers for trying to escape.
No because the victims might have tremendous remorse. Like the brothers did.
No it does not. It explains but it doesn’t excuse. They shouldn’t have gotten life but they should have gotten 10 years
the fact that they are still reminded of their abuse because they killed their abusers and is put behind bars for it is truly devastating.
“Reminded of their abuse” is a funny way of saying being held accountable
Not the people/reporters defending the parents✋😭 God the brothers did not deserve this!! The case needs to be reopened
YES that's what I was thinking
The American dream isn't always what it seems. It looks better from the outside looking in.
Yep
Most of them are miserable
Well said
Yea
Suffering from being sexually abused for 6 years by my step dad and seeing my mom being beaten in front of me where my step father would get her drunk enough to molest me in front of me I thank god we left I have had a very hard life where I will never be able to have a normal life and I have done everything I could to not let it get the best of me I know for a fact that if my mom wouldn't have left I would have done the same thing to defend myself to end my suffering why are parents able to get away with ruining us as individuals and for fighting back we get such a harsh punishment................... FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS
That must’ve been terrible I’m so sorry🤍
@jocelynn perez I feel so bad. Im sorry to hear your story. In case you need someone to talk to, Im here.
Thank you for your honesty. Keep sharing your story! We need to stop punishing victims of sexual abuse
You can tell from the family photos..The dad was definitely playing "Touch Butt"
Fr they deserve so much better
Lyle was too. 😂
One of my sisters and my mother killed my father. Unlike this case, this murder was done because of physical abuse.
I truly understand why they did it. I was physically abused by my first husband. I often wished him dead. 🌹
@@pommiebears funny thing is my and his family always thought it would be me to kill him since he beat me so severely since i was 18 months old.
His nephew looked right at me and told me that in front of his side of the family. They were not suprised it happened just with who did it.
maybe you should look closer at „this case“. There‘s alot out there - start with the Robert Rand book. They‘ve already served a significant sentence for what they did.
WHAT
I’m sorry that happen you
Damn. It’s been 31 years??? I’m getting old. 😂
So are those 2 Punks in Prison too😂
Ditto
Thirty one years flew by in the blink of an eye...
@@funfact8660 2 victims* and dw I think more people hope and pray for them to get out then people hoping they stay in so keep being pressed
@@6_chantel765 I hope that they keep getting beat up in Prison and eventually shanked
I missed the old days when we had real news reporters.
Limo rides to school doesn't make "R-ing" your children suddenly okay.
Killing 2 people is never okay and the Melendez brothers will rot in jail =)
@@underdogtv2855 And you’re happy about that? That is mildly concerning.
@@jordanjohns7896 Nope murders deserve to rot in jail.=)
@@underdogtv2855 Even people who kill their abusers. Regardless of this case, forgive me if I’m not jumping with joy at the fact that people who’ve been abused get to rot in jail for trying to end their abuse.
@@underdogtv2855 I mean it’s horrific that you would be faced with a situation like that and have absolutely no sympathy. Almost terrifying.
Jose fell on his own sword and he took his wife and sons with him.
Lets go GEN Z !!!! Lets get the brothers get another chance!🥳🥳
No
Much love for your generation from Gen X abuse survivors!!!!! You guys can maybe get done what we were unable to!!!
@@thanos3076 Agree - No matter the generation greed and money is the main reason for murder... They weren't prepared to go out and get jobs and leave ALL that money and lifestyle behind to escape their abuser...
They already pay 31 years for a crime they committed because the felt powerless now I think that is more than enough for the pain the suffer they absolutely need to be set free and also because it looks like they have it all it doesn't mean they are happy wtf
In another 30 years maybe I agree. But 30 years per life sounds adequate.
“1 kid killing the parents is a bad seed, 2 kids killing their parents is a bad family.”
I was orphaned at age 3, bounced from home to home growing up. I was abused for most of my life by various caretakers. I ended up living with an aunt and uncle from ages 14-18, and they were rotten, sadistic people. They wouldn’t allow me to have friends, learn to drive, have any money. At 16 I got a job but they made me turn every single paycheck over to them. They controlled every aspect of my life and even told me I was going to live with them for the rest of my life and pay their bills, I would never be allowed to date, marry, have kids or a life of my own. At age 18, I walked out the door one day with nothing but the clothes on my back. No money, nothing. I didn’t kill them, I walked away and cut off all contact. I married a friend of mine so I could legally change my last name so they couldn’t find me. One of my co-workers taught me how to drive. I didn’t know how to use an ATM, cash a check, use a cellphone, or pump gas. My aunt and uncle had made me completely dependent on them because they wanted a servant and money. Again, it never occurred to me to MURDER them. I would rather be homeless than under their control and abuse, so I walked away and never looked back. I don’t know if the brothers were abused or not, but killing your parents isn’t the answer.
Sara Romero well said I am truly sorry for what has happened to you but you are blessed and a woman of honour you did the right thing to walk out no matter what situation you are in murder is not the answer I hope you stay blessed and strong x
PREACH!!!! Very awesome for you to save yourself! So inspiring to hear someone taking control of the situation the right way. I’m am sorry all that happened to you. And although Many ppl failed you as a child you didn’t fail you. I hope that you’re getting or have received ongoing help/ counseling so that it doesn’t control you in other ways. Things like that have ways of coming out in other negative ways. Sounds like you have a good grip on life and reality though.
That is sad what happened to you but their situation wasn’t the same. They tried to escape. Their dad threatened to kill them. They were scared. It was a kill or be killed situation.
Remember their parent was a powerful Hollywood executive, your parents were average everyday people. If they tried to escape he had all the connections around the world to find them
@@gx9954 yes that’s what people are forgetting the year Jose was killed he was even going to release a movie
it’s so crazy to me that tiktok brought this case back!!
Half of this is from the old documentary 🤦🏻♀️
That’s what I’m saying? There is nothing here about the Tik Tokers “movement”.
For anyone who watched this Friday night (or watched it on Hulu), do you know what song is played at the very beginning? Lyrics heard are: I wish everything would stop. let me breathe. just let me breathe. careful what you wish for. Sounds a bit like Rihanna but I've searched everywhere and can't find the damn name.
Just wait til gen z are lawyers 😌
. lôl - soon
I have heard of this case before it was big on TikTok my dad showed it to me when I could actually understand so maybe around I was like 8 or 9 but it’s very disrespectful to them
I hope these guys get a new trial with an unbiased media, and open minded participants. It's common sense children don't kill their parents in that manner just because.
Plenty of people kill their parents. Read about Jennifer Pan.
@@patrickdoherty4527 Bad example. Pan's parents also sucked.
I think the reason that there’s so much disagreement between younger people and people who grew up watching this trial happen is largely because of the media. The Menendez brothers were painted as very spoiled, arrogant rich kids who just wanted money and I think that heavily influenced the way that people viewed the trial. You have one group of people who have kind of a bais due to the media. Already forming their opinions before they view the trial, and another group of people who don’t really have that bias ingrained in them. Who’s opinions are formed solely around the trial itself.
They were that. Did you see their lifestyle? They also robbed homes, got out of every problem they had. The spending spree afterward? Premeditated....They were victims of dysfunction family, but that’s not excuse for murder.
@@seeleygirl6178 So that’s why you think that they made everything up. Makes sense.
Exactly. It is a favourite pastime of old people to repeat some prejudice BS they heard 30 years ago whilst they shake their heads at the young folks for being so naive.
Well as a person who was actually alive when all of this happened...this was a lot like OJ everyone watched the trial AND the interview with Barbara Walters so it’s cool to make assumptions based on clips pulled from RUclips...I know damned well the short clip generation sat and watched both trials in their entirety
@@seeleygirl6178 you see reading is fundamental and they even be bothered with that...I didn’t see where you said that they lied about everything
Jose Menendez had made many enemies in the industry he was in. Had these two boys not gone out on a spending spree immediately afterwards, and Erik hadnt confessed to his therapst, they would have gotten away with it
No it would of been an uphill battle for prosecutors. The case was going through the process eliminating other possible suspects. They thought they were smart but their alibis were not going to hold up.
Nobody can fake this kind of emotions.I feel that they are telling the true .I don't have words to express how i feel when i heard this two brothers,it was very painefull just to heard them say does things. God bless them 💪🇵🇹
Ok they’re case sounds like the Gypsy rose Blancherd case cuz they were both abused and they basically escaped an abusive house sold
No frrrr like
ikrrrrr
Gypsy rose was literally captured and held against her will. No one was holding them hostage so no. Not the same thing dufus.
My parents severely abused us !! When we did try to tell someone they would say that is your Mother and Father shame on you for disrespecting them. Im in my 60s now but learned very young no one would ever believe us. Once we turned 18 we all ran and never saw them again. We are 3 messed up people but people think we are wonderful because we learned to hide pain so young. It has been a long journey friends : (
i am gen z but i've known about this case since i was 14 lol im glad ppl are talking abt it
Same
Samee
YES WE HAVE BEEN HEARD
Gen Z are gonna be the best lawyers and judges EVER!
Ik
We are so close. Menendez guardians and defenders come together
I hate the fact that some of the reporters are still defending their vile parents
We people are weird. I don't think they're hot, at all. Not then, not now.
That’s yo opinion tho
But innocent boy looks.
Ok karen
@@lamlam8606 that’s her opinion. Personally i think they are good looking
I hate when the last part can’t be found
I watched this entire trial and these defendants received the best defense money can buy. I can say that my values then are the same they are now. I was horrified that they were abused; however they were eventually convicted. Why?! I wonder what the outcome of the trial would’ve been in 2021. And more importantly if justice would be served.
They were convicted because their testimonies of abuse weren’t allowed in the second trial.
Did they really were abused?
Yes it was allowed in the trial. Just not evidence from their family members. Erik was allowed to take the stand. Lyle refused.
They had other choices. Were adults at that time. Could’ve left. Told cops. They were being cut off. Financial motives, and premeditated. I think Eric’s lawyer trained him well for the stand. The whole thing is just so tragic.
@@seeleygirl6178 Yes because someone who’s abusing you on a daily basis is gonna let you run off to the cops.
Q asked on show is: "IF you believe that they were sexually abused, does that lesson their responsibility?" Yes. Absolutely, especially due to the power dynamics. They made a choice based on their assessment that there was no other way out for them. Who put them in that position of such a hard choice in the 1st place?
Not to condone premeditated murder but this is NOT the same emotional/psychological situation as the Chris Watts murders. For these boys it was a life & death situation. They saw no way out of the nightmare..the hell...their father had carefully woven around them. There was nothing to suggest that they hated their parents or were evil 😈. But, there is a lot to suggest that they justifiably perceived their situation as a life or death, kill or be "killed" situation.
Again, not to condone premeditated murder but you can't not see their actions as the unreasonable delusional logic of extremely abused...longterm, since age 3 or 4 years...boys.
Thanks for your perspective it is now clear to me haha I was questioning myself when he said that.
Yes! I agree! 30 years sentence is more than enough!
Dude we are so close!!
I went through the same thing " I didn't kill my parents " I left" ..well if the Menendez brothers are released " then every Black/ Hispanics men and women need to be released from Prison too " . 💯..I wish them well.
I agree. Same for me and I didn't have to kill nobody. Also u make a good point. Anyone who killed anyone and alleged sexual abuse as a motive should be released too. Fair is fair. Insert Sarcasm here. 😂
@@Bombo505 Exactly 💯 %
I can't find part 2.
why do people keep saying they lived the ‘american dream?’ sure, they had money and great wealth but I’d rather be poor and have a healthy relationship with my family than be rich and get treated like garbage
Who is shocked to see Lorenz leading this BS story. Yeah, Gen Z are looking at it with a new set of eyes - the entitled, woah is me p***y sh*t. Dudes shotgunned their parents, no defending it. Period.
How biased our particular society is to the rights of adults over children; the wealthy over the poor; those with power over the powerless.
Lol @ the spin doctors song they play for the 1968 montage.
Pam at this point is obsessed
Hardly the case considering that this entire piece was a rebroadcast of the same original content that aired back in 2017. The only thing different is that it's been sandwiched between 5 extra minutes pertaining to their following on tiktok, with a few of these personalities being edited to offer commentary. If anything it's the dipshit supporters of these killers.
@@jstephenj Doesn't that include you too as an obsessed dipshit? I think I've seen you comment and reply to others under every single Menendez video that I've come across on RUclips. It's a little hypocritical for you to be calling others obsessed. It's like you're a Menendez super fan or something.
@@jstephenj not you calling victims killers ,and by the way Pam still obsessed
@@RD-mt1ef Well the brothers did kill their parents, so she's technically right. Legally right, too. And this piece was done in 2017, so you're basing this all on conjecture. You're no more expert in gauging whether or not a person is obsessed than you are in determining whether or not the brothers were sexual abuse victims based on them saying so. Get a grip.
@@jstephenj ooh so now the brothers were not abused NICE
THEY DESERVE TO BE FREE
All my notification is about this menendez brother and im so disturb...my heart is bleeding for this poor Menendez brothers
i hope they open this case back up
A rich kid out of control?! Idk why he said something like that. Wtf. Are he ok?!
They don’t deserve to be in jail !!
When a kid is sexually abused by their own parents since childhood, that kid doesn't know its abnormal, illegal, wrong and bad thing. They get confused and scared. Parents are the ones to give knowledge to their kids about sexual abuse/Harassment/Bulling to be bad, illegal, wrong and if someone touches you inappropriately then the kid should immediately to their parents. But when the kid is abused by his own father. They get confused, hurt and scared but they thinks its absolutely normal and nothing bad. But as they grow they start knowing that's its illegal, bad, wrong. They feel hurt, pain, become upset, fraustrated, angry, over all they are mentally, emotionally and physically damaged and ruined for life. So, Just because they/Victims kept quite, seemed happy/smiling doesnt mean that they were not hurting, suffering internally and they weren't abused. Most of the victims initially dont know how/when to act in defense, what to tell and how to say their abuse stories to the police/ to another trusted people, no nothing. They dont know how to protect themselves either, they are lost, confused and scared to death. When kids grow older, they start realizing, learning and they start knowing how to put the story of their sexual abuse into sentence. They start gaining knowledge and understanding of their own abuse. So, they start gaining strength, courage and knowledge to defend themselves. But it's sad that some dont tell their stories till the end of their lives. It becomes too late to tell their stories to their families and to the police. So, they just keep quite and suffer internally. It's never to late to tell ur story, act in defense, report to the police, get justice and held criminal accountable of their evil actions. May God bless, protect, Help, heal them and give these innocent brothers one more chance to life their lives freely, happily, peacefully with their own families, with their wife and children🙏
what's sad is the "trend" and "hype" of them already went away and nobody cares about getting their case reopened anymore :/
Yes, because that is how America's criminal justice system needs to work -- on the whims of... tiktok users?
people care but yea it died out a bit when ppl realized the case cant be reopened
@@isdelilah4031 Which goes to show how much true conviction the tiktok generation has when it comes to social movements. They don't believe in true justice. To them it's all about trends and getting likes.
This generation is so powerful
About as powerful as a wet fart eminating from a crumpled up paper bag. 2022 and the Menendez defense brigade is still waiting with bated breath for the brothers' habeas corpus filing to be granted by the fifth circuit of appeals. At this point, I'm expecting that Sirhan Sirhan will be given parole. Oh wait, that's not happening. His appeal was struck down by the governor of California! Womp womp!
this is absolutely disgusting. they did not deserve this.
#justiceformenendezbrothers
The recent commentary in defense of the Menendez brothers has not been about applying a fresh set of eyes to the evidence, but rather about ignoring the overwhelming evidence of how carefully and deliberately their crime was committed, and of how many times they lied as they tried to get away with murder. Like the Menendez brothers themselves, their apologists blame everyone else - the parents, the prosecutors, the judge, and the system - rather than accept that these men were given an easier ride by the criminal justice system than they would have gotten if they were poor. The police took it easy on them, and they had the best lawyers money can buy, but it wasn't enough to save them from the consequences of their actions.
8 year olds are incapable of making that up , kids cannot make that up unless they’re exposed to it
THEY DID NOT DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL!!!
FREE THE MEDENEZ BROTHERS THEY DESERVE TO EXPLORE LIFE GIVE THEM A CHANCE
Where is the follow up story on Noah Green ABC? I'm sure there is much more you're not telling us. Oh, didn't fit the narrative?
How many years they get???
Life without parole
They need justice
"One kid killing the parents is a bad seed. Two kids killing the parents is a bad family." Um, says who? Where did that prosecutor get the idea of a "bad seed," or is she saying that's what most people think?
It’s a saying for people born evil . They made an old old movie about a child killer called the Bad Seed. I think the lawyer was making a point to blame the parents for their own murder. It was definitely dysfunctional. But murder is not the answer. And we will never know the whole truth.
@@seeleygirl6178 yeah I know, the thing is no one is born evil, that's just an old belief the same as people used to believe in changelings (that the devil substituted a demon in the baby's crib for where the baby used to be). It's just old bad superstitions that keep us from seeing child abuse and neglect right in front of our eyes
I swear to God if i hear them being called spolied one more time im gonna be in the cell next to them
31 years and pam decides to speak out please-
Reopen the case!
It’s called SELF DEFENSE !!
Please look up self defense 🙄
Lyle and Erik should have been out of jail long ago. They have been through a lot.
Watch this video about Erik talking about the interview ruclips.net/video/riGugG5brwY/видео.html
Just wow
This case NEEDS to be reopened
How can some random kids fantasized about murderers that's just absurd
Read 2 Timothy 3:1-5
Thats easy,they parent themselves and watch tv
We’re not talking about romanticize, we’re talking about seeking justice
@@costanzagriffa2181 exactly
@@costanzagriffa2181 if they were fat middle aged men, would you have been giving them this much attention? I’m not trying to take a jab.. just curious
Imagine this kind of life without the abuse and trauma. I’m sure they’ll be successful on their own and might’ve a family of their own, having a much better life. They were robbed of this kind of future and the fruitful years ahead of them.
I remember when this happened. Cameras in the courtroom was a very new concept and many people were at work while the trial was on TV. We didn't have RUclips and tiktok clips to watch and I had never seen the testimony of these brothers until recently. We only knew what the media reported about the case. There was mention of abuse (on the news) but they played it off as though they were just spoiled rich kids that didn't get their way. Now that I've watched their testimony, it's very hard to not believe their allegations.
On a side note, I almost didn't watch this video because of Taylor Lorenz... she's the worst.
Great comment. Ditto on Lorenz. Can't stand that cry-bully twit. Or her valley girl baby voice. Ugh. How is that woman considered a serious technology journalist by _anyone_ much less the wash po.
Had anyone ever looked into if Jose had victims at work? Film execs have been major predators for years
Great question. Apparently he made a lot of enemies He would have had to. That personality type runs rough shod over other people.
Free the menendez brothers! ♥️♥️♥️
They have exhausted all appeals. Every court that has heard their case has found them guilty - except the court of social media, where image matters and truth doesn't.
@@danbryson3491 ok boomer
@@lamlam8606 You don't even know what that word means. My parents are boomers.
@@danbryson3491 lol ok boomer 😂
@@danbryson3491 once this comment blows up ill check on how much hate u got :) 🤡
YES! The sheer evil horrific demons that rule over childhood sexual abuse can-will-and does…..lead to such off the hook tragedies as murder😭🙏
If you’ve EVER experienced SA , you know🙏
its unfortunate that it took the brothers having to go to trial for the murder of their parents for these allegations of abuse to come forward... would hate to think it could be just a made up story someone made up to get off with murder.. their testimony spectacle was about as impactful as the original 911 call they made to police to report the "murders"..