This film was a sequel done right. It wasn't a rehash or a continuation but instead built on the original and took the audience in a completely different direction.
@@Ay3shizzle I also thought about this. although it is implied and mentioned that Abra is more powerful than Danny, I believe both of them are equally powerful but with different shine. I believe people have underestimated Danny's ability basically due to how he was portrayed in the shining as a helpless scared little boy rather than someone with great potential. I mean, come on. what kind of psychic locks up a lot of powerful scary, soul eating ghosts in his mind? all the fear lurking and just waiting to come out. those fears would have fed the True Knot for eternity.
@@dgmaverick The dialogue in the book and movie makes it sound like after what happened in the hotel the first time he stopped experimenting with his powers and stopped using them. He only used them to lock up the visitors like Horace Durwit. Then when he hit his 20s he drowned himself in booze to stop any of it coming on it's own. Maybe if , like Abra, he had kept experimenting he would have gotten better at it. It's the same with anything from sport, sex, music, writing, the more you do something the more proficient you get at it, that's why military, police, sports teams train relentlessly. I think you're right because he was able to basically possess Abra in that car and then grab control of Crows brain and crash the car.
This entire movie very heavily implied that, during the course of Danny’s life as a physically tangible and living man, he could have psychically lobotomized *ANYONE* with his Shine, and at damn near *ANY TIME HE WISHED.* He only failed here with Rose because of how powerful and experienced she was in psychic combat. But he *ALMOST GOT HER* with one of his mind coffins. Rose was an ancient and unfathomably powerful quasi-immortal woman who used her incredibly powerful Shine to feed on the Shine of others. And he *STILL ALMOST GOT HER.* 🤯
As I said in the other post I think he just did not test and develop his powers when he was growing up like Abra did and this made him less proficient, but he still had a great basic reserve of talent. He f---g POSSESSED Abra in that car then took control of Crow AT THE SAME TIME and made him crash his car.
It's the repression. Years of alcoholism hid him off the radar and he was exquisitely powerful. It is inexplicable that she didn't find him as a child - but the reason for that is he was hiding from ghosts, his mother had some very minimal shining and so did Jack. That's from the books. Together they hid him for quite some time without even realizing it. They ran from their life and hid his ability so he wasn't exploring it, and then when he aged he repressed it with alcohol. She's amazed they never detected him but that's because what person suppresses raw power? Danny might've been an alcoholic and took a turn for the worst, but he maintained a certain line. Shine power you don't use to manipulate people or steal is probably pretty rare, Danny turned to alcoholism because it was a burden, not just for what it is, but for the trauma it caused his family. This is a very unusual story, a more common one is likely their victims standard routine. You think you win the lottery, then you use your power and uh-oh, the ghouls come for you. Repressing it took humility and while it was a bad thing, it also was party of Danny's righteousness. With 100 ways to use it, he only used it to lock up ghosts and to comfort his mother. She couldn't *fathom* this, living a life *without* letting her power define it? It'd be practically blasphemy among her people. She's an aged immortal, she's had a lot of time to master this gift - and his surprises were the kind of thing she never would've done. Capturing ghosts? She couldn't even figure out what the hell could be in those coffins. She'd never dream of doing such a thing. Danny warns her too. "You don't know where you're standing". And she didn't listen, she thought her power was plenty. Couple hundred years of hubris and being an apex predator can really make you quite confident but also oblivious. It really was the only negative of her skillset, it's normally all upside.
She chose to be dismissive of him because Abra was her total focus. Both in terms of revenge for her colleagues, and the rare specimen she represented. She'd have time to pay attention to him later.
It had respect for Kubrick's vision but not King's. They even fckd about with the casting in this to make it more 'inclusive' but it's just masking greed, basically soulless virtue signaling for profit.
@@1ManNamedDan there are instances where I'd agree, this is certainly not one of them. The casting is fine, what are you even referring to? Being that its a sequel to the Kubrick film, why would they worry about King's vision when he famously hated the Kubrick film? This is perhaps among the best sequels to any film I've ever seen, but trying to be a sequel to basically THE film decades later.......this was really well done. Pretty heavy opinion over such a short clip, don't seem like you've seen the movie or you'd have said at least one specific thing rather than a vague rant.
@@50Nobody50 If you'd read the book you'd know what I'm talking about, the girl was described many times as blond with pig tails and very blue eyes. The same year they made King's Gunslinger a black man and made Sandman's pale goth Death into a black woman. I'm no bigot, I just hate this ploy to create a larger audience for profit by casting characters who are not what the author described, it subverts the vision we had when we supported the work, it's a false for profit inclusivity and not any real social or artistic effort.
@@1ManNamedDan I don't particularly like Stephen King's writing style, so no I didn't read it. Is there some experience the character has that a black girl could not have had? Is her eye color or hair color in any way pertinent to the important parts of the narrative? I am totally on board about changing the original material for no reason, but inclusion is a reason. Its only shitty if it ignores something about the original character, if it doesn't than I hate to tell you it would then sound like you are being prejudicial. I haven't read it so only you know that. Here is an example from my end.....see what you think. I read all of the Anne Rice vampire novels. The old movie with Cruise and Pitt was fine, but if you were a book purest you would have hated a couple of those character changes. The new tv series comes out last year, or two ago, and the Pitt character is now black. Also, his occupation is now a pimp. Pitt was a plantation and slave owning white man. The experience between these two people during the era of slavery would be so different that you simply can't pretend that character is in any way consistent with the original. That did piss me right off. Not because he was black, but because their different life experiences make them different characters in any situation. This movie doesn't come off to me as an obvious cash grab, its done too well for that, the real "rings of power" level cash grabs while dumping on source material almost universally suck very bad, and this movie didn't suck. Original depictions on how to show psychic power on screen.
Right? I saw it when it came out, and thought it was a damned fine sequel. It has to tread this weird line between the original film and novel, but it works.
I love Mike Flanagan's stuff. He really loves the source material he adapts. Whether it's a closer adaptation like this or a looser one like the ones he did of Shirley Jackson, Henry James, and Edgar Allen Poe, he obviously has read the source material and loves it and understands the psychology of it. I believe this is one of the rare adaptations of Stephen King's work that he actually approved of and enjoyed.
Rebecca Ferguson is so epic in this role... on the stairs at the end. He has the axe - he has the high ground (yes - I know 😁) ... but still Rose is much more threatening... and looks hot as hell 😯
@@snafu21 She's beautiful but she immerses herself in this character so well that I can't be attracted to her. I see an interview with her and all I see is Rose the evil f*cking Hat lol
What a great movie excited for Mike Flanagan's take on the Dark tower series. And if it does well he did mention of bringing in some of the characters from Doctor Sleep into it.
It made sense a little kid got super messed up from what happened at the hotel, not to mention seeing ghost his whole life wouldn't help him adjust to "normal life"
It happened in the book. He became an alcoholic to get over what happened and turned out just like his father. But he then chose to give it up and had the help that he needed. There were quite a few differences from the book. For one, he was alive in the end. Another, he only had two boxes in his mind if I remember.
On reflection, _Doctor Sleep_ took _The Green Mile_ into account in the mythology of the Shining. A certain child-like man's simplicity kept him off the radar of those like Maggie, but it also left him unready for the darker nature of man when it encroached upon him. Daniel Torrance managed to contain his darkness and the shadows imprinted onto him by the Overlook, but John Coffey started with the horror of the deaths of those girls, followed by the Mile. When he went full-on Sin-Eater... in reverse... and fed Percy the essence of darkness as he understood it, John surpassed what Maggie was capable of. It is no wonder he wished to end; once a Shining One expresses the darkness instead, they become more than tainted. Maggie was a Shining One once, but she preferred to eat and live, embracing depravity. John Coffey managed to fight that back down, for which he is to be commended. Had he not... Certain Dark Men would have had competition. (Please note, I've said as much commenting on the clip "The Death Of Percy Whitmore" posted here by IvusRainbowHead.)
Read his books then instead of watching movies. His short stories and novels are fantastic reads and his books cover a wide range of flavours from classic fantasy to sci-fi.
When this movie was released sincerely i didn't care...sequels are often far away to maintain the strenght of the original...this is not the case...this is pure Stephen King...more...impossible to not fall in love with Rose The Hat...wow...Hi there...anyway Kubrick' Shining is immortal...
How come Jack Nicholson was edited out of that scene and replaced with someone else? I see they kept Shelley Duvall. Did Jack not agree for his footage to be used for this?
Didn't like it at first either, for the obvious reason, but I think it's alright. I'm a Flanagan fan. Oculus, Bly House, and Hill Manor. The obvious reason of it being associated with a classic.
The flaw of this movie and the book is that the main antagonist is just too weak. Are you really scared for Abra or Dan? I wasn’t, it was more like "I wonder HOW they‘ll defeat Rose." That this scene was done mainly from Rose's perspective is telling. She’s the won to be afraid.
I tell my enemies all the time YOU take me out ill simply come back again and it's true. Look at the planet! So frightened! Should be look at all your actions.
This film was a sequel done right. It wasn't a rehash or a continuation but instead built on the original and took the audience in a completely different direction.
I love that Rose didn’t know who Danny was until this moment.
Oh man that was awesome and really showed you how powerful Danny really was that he was able to be hidden from Rose and the True Knot for so long.
@@Ay3shizzlethat’s not because of how powerful he is; it’s because he drowned himself in booze for the majority of his life
@@TheAzerath yeah but still. Once he used his powers again he was still not one to be trifled with.
@@Ay3shizzle I also thought about this. although it is implied and mentioned that Abra is more powerful than Danny, I believe both of them are equally powerful but with different shine. I believe people have underestimated Danny's ability basically due to how he was portrayed in the shining as a helpless scared little boy rather than someone with great potential. I mean, come on. what kind of psychic locks up a lot of powerful scary, soul eating ghosts in his mind? all the fear lurking and just waiting to come out. those fears would have fed the True Knot for eternity.
@@dgmaverick The dialogue in the book and movie makes it sound like after what happened in the hotel the first time he stopped experimenting with his powers and stopped using them. He only used them to lock up the visitors like Horace Durwit. Then when he hit his 20s he drowned himself in booze to stop any of it coming on it's own.
Maybe if , like Abra, he had kept experimenting he would have gotten better at it. It's the same with anything from sport, sex, music, writing, the more you do something the more proficient you get at it, that's why military, police, sports teams train relentlessly. I think you're right because he was able to basically possess Abra in that car and then grab control of Crows brain and crash the car.
This entire movie very heavily implied that, during the course of Danny’s life as a physically tangible and living man, he could have psychically lobotomized *ANYONE* with his Shine, and at damn near *ANY TIME HE WISHED.* He only failed here with Rose because of how powerful and experienced she was in psychic combat. But he *ALMOST GOT HER* with one of his mind coffins. Rose was an ancient and unfathomably powerful quasi-immortal woman who used her incredibly powerful Shine to feed on the Shine of others. And he *STILL ALMOST GOT HER.* 🤯
Not only that but Rose the Hat was also jacked up on all the canisters of steam the Knot had too.
If he hadn’t been an alcoholic throughout life he more than likely would’ve been able to easily take her himself.
As I said in the other post I think he just did not test and develop his powers when he was growing up like Abra did and this made him less proficient, but he still had a great basic reserve of talent. He f---g POSSESSED Abra in that car then took control of Crow AT THE SAME TIME and made him crash his car.
He literally talks to Abra telepathically right in front of her, she even replies to it, but she’s still somehow surprised that’s he shines
Weren't those who Shined able to read thoughts of anyone? Maybe she just thought he was doing that so Abra could hear him? Not quite sure myself.
I think it's because for his age he's quite powerful and she really doesn't understand where she is.
Andy learned to hide his power 😉
It's the repression.
Years of alcoholism hid him off the radar and he was exquisitely powerful. It is inexplicable that she didn't find him as a child - but the reason for that is he was hiding from ghosts, his mother had some very minimal shining and so did Jack. That's from the books.
Together they hid him for quite some time without even realizing it. They ran from their life and hid his ability so he wasn't exploring it, and then when he aged he repressed it with alcohol. She's amazed they never detected him but that's because what person suppresses raw power?
Danny might've been an alcoholic and took a turn for the worst, but he maintained a certain line. Shine power you don't use to manipulate people or steal is probably pretty rare, Danny turned to alcoholism because it was a burden, not just for what it is, but for the trauma it caused his family.
This is a very unusual story, a more common one is likely their victims standard routine. You think you win the lottery, then you use your power and uh-oh, the ghouls come for you.
Repressing it took humility and while it was a bad thing, it also was party of Danny's righteousness. With 100 ways to use it, he only used it to lock up ghosts and to comfort his mother.
She couldn't *fathom* this, living a life *without* letting her power define it?
It'd be practically blasphemy among her people.
She's an aged immortal, she's had a lot of time to master this gift - and his surprises were the kind of thing she never would've done. Capturing ghosts? She couldn't even figure out what the hell could be in those coffins. She'd never dream of doing such a thing. Danny warns her too.
"You don't know where you're standing".
And she didn't listen, she thought her power was plenty.
Couple hundred years of hubris and being an apex predator can really make you quite confident but also oblivious. It really was the only negative of her skillset, it's normally all upside.
She chose to be dismissive of him because Abra was her total focus. Both in terms of revenge for her colleagues, and the rare specimen she represented. She'd have time to pay attention to him later.
the editing, angles, sound and stage sets when she says "enough!" were amazing
Rose the hat was so badass
One of my fave villains ever
Not really she got punked
This movie would have been massive if they did a better job marketing it. It is really good.
this movie did a greate job to respectfully to the original story. it could easly go wrong but didnt . really well done.
Either way people will cry about everything
It had respect for Kubrick's vision but not King's. They even fckd about with the casting in this to make it more 'inclusive' but it's just masking greed, basically soulless virtue signaling for profit.
@@1ManNamedDan there are instances where I'd agree, this is certainly not one of them. The casting is fine, what are you even referring to? Being that its a sequel to the Kubrick film, why would they worry about King's vision when he famously hated the Kubrick film? This is perhaps among the best sequels to any film I've ever seen, but trying to be a sequel to basically THE film decades later.......this was really well done. Pretty heavy opinion over such a short clip, don't seem like you've seen the movie or you'd have said at least one specific thing rather than a vague rant.
@@50Nobody50 If you'd read the book you'd know what I'm talking about, the girl was described many times as blond with pig tails and very blue eyes. The same year they made King's Gunslinger a black man and made Sandman's pale goth Death into a black woman. I'm no bigot, I just hate this ploy to create a larger audience for profit by casting characters who are not what the author described, it subverts the vision we had when we supported the work, it's a false for profit inclusivity and not any real social or artistic effort.
@@1ManNamedDan I don't particularly like Stephen King's writing style, so no I didn't read it. Is there some experience the character has that a black girl could not have had? Is her eye color or hair color in any way pertinent to the important parts of the narrative? I am totally on board about changing the original material for no reason, but inclusion is a reason. Its only shitty if it ignores something about the original character, if it doesn't than I hate to tell you it would then sound like you are being prejudicial. I haven't read it so only you know that. Here is an example from my end.....see what you think.
I read all of the Anne Rice vampire novels. The old movie with Cruise and Pitt was fine, but if you were a book purest you would have hated a couple of those character changes. The new tv series comes out last year, or two ago, and the Pitt character is now black. Also, his occupation is now a pimp. Pitt was a plantation and slave owning white man. The experience between these two people during the era of slavery would be so different that you simply can't pretend that character is in any way consistent with the original. That did piss me right off. Not because he was black, but because their different life experiences make them different characters in any situation. This movie doesn't come off to me as an obvious cash grab, its done too well for that, the real "rings of power" level cash grabs while dumping on source material almost universally suck very bad, and this movie didn't suck. Original depictions on how to show psychic power on screen.
"You taste like whiiiiiiiiiiskey." All time favorite line delivery
I've been googling and perusing Rebecca's shows and movies
all day.
Totally solid film. And no one knows about it. Frustrating.
Right? I saw it when it came out, and thought it was a damned fine sequel. It has to tread this weird line between the original film and novel, but it works.
arent you guys supposed to use "uNDerrATeD"?
Wtf are you on about people know this movie and it was great
@@MarlinWheeler most don't know about it, and it didn't do well. Pretty sure that's what they're talking about.
@@zacharyberridge7239 most do they just didn't understand this movie and that's why it didn't do well that's not the same
such a good movie,and even being diabolically evil Rose the Hat/Rebecca Ferguson is still charismatic and gorgeous af.
I love Mike Flanagan's stuff. He really loves the source material he adapts. Whether it's a closer adaptation like this or a looser one like the ones he did of Shirley Jackson, Henry James, and Edgar Allen Poe, he obviously has read the source material and loves it and understands the psychology of it. I believe this is one of the rare adaptations of Stephen King's work that he actually approved of and enjoyed.
This movie had no business being this good
Wpuld have been cool for him to summon JACK to fight Rose
Jack would have been on the same side as The Hat
Read the book....you'll find out 😉
The book had his father redemption
Titanic 2?
Exactly @@cathytrottier8944
Have to say didn’t expect much and was blown away by how good this film was…
Rebecca Ferguson is so epic in this role... on the stairs at the end. He has the axe - he has the high ground (yes - I know 😁) ... but still Rose is much more threatening... and looks hot as hell 😯
Thank you for posting the name and summary of the content front and center instead of making me dig through the comments hoping someone recognized it.
Rose The Hat is gorgeous
Is it the Hat or the yoga pants...
@@jesseslack2089 It's whatever Rebecca Ferguson is wearing.
@@snafu21 She's beautiful but she immerses herself in this character so well that I can't be attracted to her. I see an interview with her and all I see is Rose the evil f*cking Hat lol
I'm still traumitized by the mother and child he left in the apartment.
I‘m dressing up as Rose the Hat for Halloween next year.
Rebecca Ferguson has the greatest face in movies today.
An exceptional turn from the mesmerically fabulous Ms Fergusson, her Rose was spellbinding.
Rebecca Ferguson is indescribably, stunningly lovely.
Rose the hate is an iconic character
Rose the Hat is a underrated female villain.
What a great movie excited for Mike Flanagan's take on the Dark tower series. And if it does well he did mention of bringing in some of the characters from Doctor Sleep into it.
"All things serve the beam."
Well she was right about being the prettiest
When you hire Rebecca Ferguson, that’s a given
She may died but she fucked him up pretty good
Ah Rebecca. What a star.
Actually, a much better film than the original.
I just didn't like that Danny had lost his soul growing up, but he earned it back at the end !
It made sense a little kid got super messed up from what happened at the hotel, not to mention seeing ghost his whole life wouldn't help him adjust to "normal life"
It happened in the book. He became an alcoholic to get over what happened and turned out just like his father. But he then chose to give it up and had the help that he needed. There were quite a few differences from the book. For one, he was alive in the end. Another, he only had two boxes in his mind if I remember.
They're not special they're starving 8:25-8:37
They have an awesome chemistry. If K.K knew what she is doing, she would bring Rebecca as Dutches Satine.
6:52 it’s over Obi-Wan, she has the high ground
Shes a bene gesserit
Yeah well he’s got an army of fucked-up ghosts on reserve 💁🏼
@@TheAzerathon stand by😅
Amazing Movie !!
I had zero clue this was a sequel to The Shining. Done so well. I’ve watched it over and over again especially for Rose.
Great... but the book is so much better. SK is a genius
Great movie!! I do prefer the ending in the book though
Yeah budy! Me too! It was heart breaking knowing that at the final scene when the girl says: I still Talk to them!!! So sad!!!
What’s the book ending?
@@carinaadams6797Danny survived
Rebecca Ferguson should do more antagonistic characters.
Okay, NOW I know why the lady from Silo looks so familiar.
Gonna have to rewatch this.
Despite her being a villain. She was my favorite.
Danny Torrance became the better yet terrifying monster for trapping Rose Hat!
Ferguson has been working her tail off lately. Striking while the iron is hot! I enjoy seeing her in all these different works.
Mike Finnigan really is good at adapting Stephen King
I mean... I'd probably pull down my sleeves once I found myself in a snowed-covered maze.
I loved this movie 🎉
When your hat is so stupid it becomes part of your name.
On reflection, _Doctor Sleep_ took _The Green Mile_ into account in the mythology of the Shining. A certain child-like man's simplicity kept him off the radar of those like Maggie, but it also left him unready for the darker nature of man when it encroached upon him. Daniel Torrance managed to contain his darkness and the shadows imprinted onto him by the Overlook, but John Coffey started with the horror of the deaths of those girls, followed by the Mile. When he went full-on Sin-Eater... in reverse... and fed Percy the essence of darkness as he understood it, John surpassed what Maggie was capable of. It is no wonder he wished to end; once a Shining One expresses the darkness instead, they become more than tainted. Maggie was a Shining One once, but she preferred to eat and live, embracing depravity. John Coffey managed to fight that back down, for which he is to be commended. Had he not... Certain Dark Men would have had competition. (Please note, I've said as much commenting on the clip "The Death Of Percy Whitmore" posted here by IvusRainbowHead.)
Wasn't sure I wanted to see this... NOW I want to see it. Thank you. ❤🤘
The whole film is amazing
อยากให้มีภาคต่อ ชอบเรื่องนี้มาก
Love rose in mission impossible
This was the sequal.
A jedi vs a witch. Just like old times huh Obi wan 😂
You mean a jedi vs a bene gesserit🤣
And the jedi knows Shinra Tensei
All work and no play makes the Bene Gesserit witch out standing in her field. She looks a maze ing.
Good movie
She is gorgeous
Agatha All Along meets The Shining.
“You were the one who killed my Crow, weren’t you?”
No, technically Crow not wearing a seatbelt killed him. Can’t blame Danny for Crow’s stupidity.
Becca and Ewan is not fair. So amazing.
She is so unbelievably fly!
I think I'm in love with Rose the hat.
Stephen King's tales have become so formulaic over the years.
The original Salem's Lot tv movie was the only one I ever found frightening.
Read his books then instead of watching movies.
His short stories and novels are fantastic reads and his books cover a wide range of flavours from classic fantasy to sci-fi.
@@Lyonatan I've tried his books. Not scary. Pedestrian. Predictable.
When this movie was released sincerely i didn't care...sequels are often far away to maintain the strenght of the original...this is not the case...this is pure Stephen King...more...impossible to not fall in love with Rose The Hat...wow...Hi there...anyway Kubrick' Shining is immortal...
I will start by saying this was a great movie, so good I had to rewatch The Shine to appreciate these movies! With all that said, She's smoking hot!
Rebecca Ferguson = bad ass hot af
How come Jack Nicholson was edited out of that scene and replaced with someone else? I see they kept Shelley Duvall. Did Jack not agree for his footage to be used for this?
But Shelley was also replaced by Alex Essoe
So wish they would continue on with adult Abra but they have said the series is dead.
mmm, that whole 'spirit' exchange, her 'swallowing' his essence...
is it just me, or...?
00:17 Wait, was that a subtle "Hello there" joke?
Didn't like it at first either, for the obvious reason, but I think it's alright. I'm a Flanagan fan. Oculus, Bly House, and Hill Manor.
The obvious reason of it being associated with a classic.
She amazing woman
Juliette has not aged 1 second! HOW? 😮
It's a good watch Cliff Curtis Aotearoa
Pain purifies steam. Fear too so you understand.?
0:35 Am I high or does that axe look like it's glowing?
Such a missed opportunity in this movie. Instead of the gunfight, it should habe been the house that kills them all
If he had a shotgun vs the axe, game over
Rebecca Ferguson ❤
The flaw of this movie and the book is that the main antagonist is just too weak. Are you really scared for Abra or Dan? I wasn’t, it was more like "I wonder HOW they‘ll defeat Rose." That this scene was done mainly from Rose's perspective is telling. She’s the won to be afraid.
rebecca ferguson is so gorgeous i think if i was Danny I would've fallen in love with her already
all these years i never knew the shinning had a sequel lmao wtf
Title please and the prequel too?
Looks like shining
I LOVED THIS MOVIE!!!! But the Directors Cut was WAY WAY WAY better. Dont even bother with the other version.
Rebecca Ferguson drives me crazy
Your just the bait.
Aubra!! ❤
Well he did attack her
All crazy meaningful crap aside, spooky!
But he had the High Ground...
Should have put her in the box first thing.
Как можно! К такой Даме - и с топором...
Только с самыми красивыми букетами наперевес! Каждый день!
I don’t think they marketed this correctly.
hi there!
.....this looks bloody abysmal.
where is Jacob?
Wait what the fuck is this a sequel to the Shining???
A fantastic one, at that.
Is this the shinning 2?
Yes, its a sequel of The Shining 39 years later.
I can't believe you cut off the scene at the climax...WTF?! Very uncool.
I tell my enemies all the time YOU take me out ill simply come back again and it's true. Look at the planet! So frightened! Should be look at all your actions.
IT will NEVER work. You KNOW this by now.
Battle?
She needed to die with more pain and needed to take longer
3:19 / 3:21
Jenny Lind vs Obi Wan