Maybe you could add a double SPL as an option for a very rambunctious group, I heard several kids tell me that if their troops go coed, it will be too much for only one SPL depending on the size and age though
@cedward It's odd that people are so against boys and girls interacting. I'm sure there will be single gender troops for those that want that. My daughter is in a linked troop that camps separate but does projects together.
One year is not enough. Multi-year observation/pilot is advisable. In many international units I observed at the Word Jamboree in WV, the SPLs are dominated by females because they mature earlier and thus boys may not have an equal opportunity to be higher level Junior Leaders. John Eliades Lawrence KS
I hope real world observations of external parties (outside of the unit/district) are recorded to see if it this pilot is really in the best interest of the kids. Not just unit meetings but unit activities and especially camping. We ALL know that there are units already running their units this way without permission and in my opinion not always in the kids interest but the parent interest or at worse not safely.
Yes, there are troops already running an integrated model, and I've spoken with pretty much all of them in my council. No one is dissatisfied with the program. No kids are quitting because they're "forced" to be with the opposite sex. The only issue I've seen is sometimes disagreement on what game is played during troop meetings. Other than that, it's business as usual.
@@erikjohnsen3135 While I have heard some of these units "say" everything is great. I have also seen parents leave these same units because they didn't like it.
@@TheWallyTirado Yeah, it would not surprise me, but that's the parents, probably holding on to their old biases and opinions. Are they actually asking/listening to what the kids want?
This is very dishonest on the part of scouting. Initially, the move was presented as separate troops for boys and girls. Most of us saw the combining of boys and girls into a single troop coming a mile away and feel that this was the plan all along. Too bad since BSA was such a unique and powerful program for young men. This change makes scouting just like every other co-ed activity out there and will likely be a catalyst to another great organization biting the dust or becoming a fraction of what it used to be. As a former Scoutmaster for many years, it is painful to not support this organization any more due to this level of deceit. As we all know a scout is Trustworthy. Not so much the leadership of scouting.
Hello! I think this could be great for girls that can't find a nearby girls troop. I assume you would still need a female leader on all activities (hikes, camping trips) where the girls were involved.
Can troops who are single gender allow girls to join in September, or is it only for linked troops? I ask this because my granddaughter is crossing over in February and there is only one linked troop in town and not other girl troops. I would like her to stay with our Chartered Org which has a pack and a troop. We did have a girl troop for a couple years but couldn't keep the minimum of 5 to keep it going.
No. For the pilot program, National has said they prefer to use Linked troops, since the are already basically set up to do it. If a single-gender troop were to join the pilot, and then National decides not to allow co-ed troops, then the girls will be stuck without a chair when the music stops. I think the best thing for you to do at this point would be to start a linked troop with your affiliated troop, if they are open to it. Also, recruit hard for more girls at that age.
They waited a year too late. You have girls that came up in family packs that are now going to have to find a girl's troop. Charter organizations are going to have to go through the whole process of setting up new troops for those girls that are crossing over.
Maybe you could add a double SPL as an option for a very rambunctious group, I heard several kids tell me that if their troops go coed, it will be too much for only one SPL depending on the size and age though
Is there any updated training for this program? My Council is piloting this program but I can seem to find any supporting training for it.
It's healthy and natural to allow little boys to have their own spaces to grow and thrive around only other boys.
@cedward It's odd that people are so against boys and girls interacting. I'm sure there will be single gender troops for those that want that. My daughter is in a linked troop that camps separate but does projects together.
I agree. I will only keep my Cub Scout in only boy packs and troops as he crosses over.
Let males have the space.
@@tinamacintyre2423 I was a Girl Scout. They should have approved Girl Scout.
Mixing them changes the dynamics.
@@tinamacintyre2423 Right?? Boys and girls doing stuff together?? School and the real world is weird like that.
One year is not enough. Multi-year observation/pilot is advisable. In many international units I observed at the Word Jamboree in WV, the SPLs are dominated by females because they mature earlier and thus boys may not have an equal opportunity to be higher level Junior Leaders. John Eliades Lawrence KS
If your boys are being dominated by girls, you can keep them protected in boy-only troops. Some of us will teach scouts to operate in the real world.
Did you survey parents or just teenagers? I do not recall one?
If this combined thing happens, my kids will not advance past cub scouts.
I hope real world observations of external parties (outside of the unit/district) are recorded to see if it this pilot is really in the best interest of the kids. Not just unit meetings but unit activities and especially camping. We ALL know that there are units already running their units this way without permission and in my opinion not always in the kids interest but the parent interest or at worse not safely.
Yes, there are troops already running an integrated model, and I've spoken with pretty much all of them in my council. No one is dissatisfied with the program. No kids are quitting because they're "forced" to be with the opposite sex. The only issue I've seen is sometimes disagreement on what game is played during troop meetings. Other than that, it's business as usual.
@@erikjohnsen3135 While I have heard some of these units "say" everything is great. I have also seen parents leave these same units because they didn't like it.
@@TheWallyTirado Yeah, it would not surprise me, but that's the parents, probably holding on to their old biases and opinions. Are they actually asking/listening to what the kids want?
@@TheWallyTirado Sounds like those parents might not share the values of scouting.
This is very dishonest on the part of scouting. Initially, the move was presented as separate troops for boys and girls. Most of us saw the combining of boys and girls into a single troop coming a mile away and feel that this was the plan all along. Too bad since BSA was such a unique and powerful program for young men. This change makes scouting just like every other co-ed activity out there and will likely be a catalyst to another great organization biting the dust or becoming a fraction of what it used to be. As a former Scoutmaster for many years, it is painful to not support this organization any more due to this level of deceit. As we all know a scout is Trustworthy. Not so much the leadership of scouting.
Hello! I think this could be great for girls that can't find a nearby girls troop. I assume you would still need a female leader on all activities (hikes, camping trips) where the girls were involved.
Yes, all the Guidelines for Safe Scouting and Barriers to Abuse will still be the same.
Can troops who are single gender allow girls to join in September, or is it only for linked troops? I ask this because my granddaughter is crossing over in February and there is only one linked troop in town and not other girl troops. I would like her to stay with our Chartered Org which has a pack and a troop. We did have a girl troop for a couple years but couldn't keep the minimum of 5 to keep it going.
No. For the pilot program, National has said they prefer to use Linked troops, since the are already basically set up to do it. If a single-gender troop were to join the pilot, and then National decides not to allow co-ed troops, then the girls will be stuck without a chair when the music stops. I think the best thing for you to do at this point would be to start a linked troop with your affiliated troop, if they are open to it. Also, recruit hard for more girls at that age.
They waited a year too late. You have girls that came up in family packs that are now going to have to find a girl's troop. Charter organizations are going to have to go through the whole process of setting up new troops for those girls that are crossing over.
are patrols going to remain single-gender for this pilot like dens are in family packs?