You cannot address police "targeting" certain demographics without showing the crime stats in said demographics. You simply cannot have the same patrol intensity across the entire population without sacrificing the lives of those living in the most violent areas. With more intense patrolling you'll get more interactions and with more interactions there will be a greater amount of violent interaction, even if the percentage of such interactions is lower. I understand it's easier to point a finger at a government body like the police and it certainly won't get you cancelled.
This was what I was thinking when that one girl said she saw police more in some areas versus others. I asked "The areas that had more police in them, did those areas have more crime or less crime?"
Commission rates of a demographic "matter." Otherwise the single greatest victim group of the justice system would be human males. Males are the vast majority of people in prison, of people shot by cops. Do we say tat unless 50% of people arrested are women, there is a bias? No. Men commit more crime. Per violent felony committed no demographic cohort is shot less by police than African American males. Per murder of police by suspect, no cohort is shot less by police per capita than African American males.
The amount of policing in those areas also determines the amount of crime that is detected. It is a fact that police activity drastically increases when a community is majority black. More police activity , more crime detected. Whether or not addressing that discrepancy in police activity will account for apparent higher crime rates in majority black communities is something i am unsure of. Regardless, it is important to consider the impact that over-policing/disproportionate police activity has on the amount of crime that is detected.
I consider myself an activist on civil rights. I'm trying to start my own RUclips channel exposing bad policing in my hometown because there's been enough crap happen here to write a book. I'd love to go on ride alongs all the time because I would just turn it into civil rights/constitutional rights class. Cops need to start having continuing education classes like most professionals attend annually. The profession of policing needs to learn how to read the room while controlling their emotions and feelings. Learn "getting a call for service" doesn't mean that thing actually happened and you have arrest authority as soon as you get out of the car. So so many issues would instantly go away if cops would do these simple things.
@@ExcitedCoconut-cz5rq I applaud your zeal. I will state that most problems involving people, and cops are people, are not cut and dried. One very real problem in our current society is the widespread demonization of the job of police officer. Quality people are not inclined to go into that job. That leaves more unqualified people being hired and retained. The defund the police movements also translate into lower staffing, and less training.
I think it would be helpful for activists to know real data. This lecture broke down the list of people killed by police between armed and not armed. He SHOULD have broken it down between justified and not justified. He convinced a bunch of kids that "unarmed" means not justified - and it does not mean that at all. More people are murdered using hands or feet as their weapon, than are murdered using a rifle of any kind (and that includes all the scary black ones everyone fears). Being "unarmed" does NOT mean someone is not a being a threat to anyone.
Of those 8166 people who were killed in that time period by the police, how many of them put themselves in a situation to have to deal with the police? If you go looking for trouble eventually you will find it. My point is don't put yourself in that situation to begin with and you have a much more likely scenario that you will not be killed or shot by any police!!
The same standard doesn't apply to the average citizen so it shouldn't apply to police. A nation of laws means laws for all otherwise there is no law at all, only rules for the police and rules for the citizens.
@@CantonBn Wrong. Cops are justified in shooting over subjective fear. Citizens need to objectively prove imminent bodily harm or loss of life to be justified. Do some research.
9:44 60,000 police assaulted, that's 1/15 police officers who are assaulted while doing their jobs. Now how does that shape up compared to the common citizen? And when you're talking about multiple of your coworkers getting assaulted every single year, you're in an environment where violence against you and the people you work with is a constant reality.
Watch some videos cops tackle a kid on a bike because he doesn't have a bike light hurts his arm and he is charged with assaulting police or the guy beat up and his blood gets on the cop also assaulting police
He left out a lot of context and I would say he was indoctrinating the students because of it. The lack of understanding of our unalienable rights and what it means to have liberty because of mass indoctrination through propaganda that's permeated our entire culture that has allowed police to become out of control. Police are colloquially the modern day red coats and terrorists by the current definition.
I’m a 54 yo retired NYPD detective. I absolutely love listening to your lectures! You have helped me understand myself in a way I never did. I love learning and growing!! We need someone like you talking to our young officers also! Post WW2 every American wanted to “punch” a Nazi and the general population were taking the brunt of it. In a post 9/11 America our officers all have the “ I wanna kill a terrorist “ mentality. Unfortunately this is also spilling over into the general population. We need to also remember that a majority of Police in the US have military background. It is very hard to unteach blanket suspicion and fear. Which is effecting so much of our police interactions post 9/11.
Sorry but only 25 % of officers nation wide have military experience. Even less with the NYPD about 7%-8%. I do agree with you that post 9/11 the job was worried about terrorism. perhaps too much but thats not quantifiable.
Mentioned numbers are dropping and casually related to black protestation and activism. I’d offer that police have pulled back and withdrawn due to the attack on police. Crime is rampant it seems. Police shortages are spreading and new recruits are dropping. Basing it on racism seems a stretch as well.
It’s going to cost these Blue Cities a lot of money to recruit and retain the police to maintain order in a small number of mostly black neighborhoods.
Agreed, he's jumping to a conclusion that's completely unfounded to a bunch of impressionable young people. The causation behind lower killings is the radicalization that leads to fewer confrontations. Now we see what's wrong with "higher" ed.
Every one of these students should have to ride with a police officer for a week and see what they go through and what they have to put up with when they arrest someone who's done something wrong or drunk!!! They would both get to know the officer and realize they're just people like themselves and they would end up really getting angry at the people they were dealing with!!
The really excellent thing about this lecture and the entire series is asking young people to think for themselves, to challenge assumptions and to arm oneself with facts as opposed to sensationalist news stories and activist talking points. Roland Fryer, among others, compares police shootings/ killings to the number of violent crimes by race. Using rates of violent crime, IIRC the rates of shootings is no worse for Blacks. There are sound arguments for violent crimes by race being a better comparator. I'd love to see that discussed.
There is a lot of missing context. He is never going into the crime numbers. Why is he never talking about the crimes people are committing? Why are the active crime numbers never covered in these lectures? Why does the speaker never cover all of the numbers? I’m sick and tired of people blaming “The System”. I’m tired of people being so weak in their explanation of the policing issues we have in this country….I feel like we have a cultural problem, you have a whole community in this country that is okay with thug culture, they are okay with not working, they are okay a lack of respect for others and their property. I’m sorry but they are the problem. Not police.
Fairness has very little to do with this issue. This course looks like an easy A. Murders are up since the murder of George Floyd- most of them black. These activists destroyed billions of dollars in private property- many of them black owned businesses. West Philadelphia has yet to recover.
What if police are the thugs? There are thugs, and there are thugs with badges. What if the thugs with badges steal your property through civil asset forfeiture when you have not committed a crime and you cannot get your property back? There are a lot of videos on yt showing police abuse of authority. It's way way more than a couple bad apples.
Remember that police presence levels at different neighborhoods is mostly determined by local government leaders. Also, can we admit that most crimes are in poor, substitute colored, areas? Why shouldn't there be more police where the crime is? Look what is happening in those cities where police has been reduced due to "defund the police"
I would hate for the student activists calling for the police to be abolished to be a victim of a crime. Who else are they gonna turn to when they're being mugged on the street?
I love that this class is filmed and put on you tube. I would love to see this class taught by both a professor from the left and right at the same time in the same class. I think that would open so many more conversations. From what i have seen of this professor, i think this class should be a requisite to graduate.
Tyree was killed because he was resisting arrest and not complying. In a sense it can be said that he did more harm to himself fight with and resisting police that he hurt himself bad enough to die 3 days later in the hospital.
@chavitacanta008 don't you know cops don't have an obligation to protect anyone or save anyone's life. Read some case law and educate yourself DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales. But anyway what did we learn from all this...the million dollar slogan. "DONT COMPLY, YOU MIGHT DIE!" In the opinion of the majority of Americans, If you resist police or don't comply, you are taking your life into your own hands. Police have not only a right to protect themselves but a duty to protect themselves over others.
Soldiers have to follow rules of engagement, but why do we want to hold police to this standard of “comply or die?” We want to hold the citizens accountable but not the police to the standard of serving and protecting. That’s authoritarian.
@michaelbonet9062 As a Soldier, we have a comply or die policy as well. The universal sign understood in all cultures and languages is when I point a firearm at someone, it means "comply or die".......you with me? Because the rest of the world understands that. It's amazing it's universal.
As the number of police shooting unarmed people when down since 2015, the Number of police killed by people when up since 2015. 2015 : 165 2016: 181 2017: 186 2018: 187 2019: 163 2020: 417 2021: 623 2022: 224
Spot on. Because police are now terrified to be thrown under the bus for doing their jobs. It’s causing police to hesitate. And hesitation in a deadly force situation, could mean your own death.
Not that my opinion matters, but I'm not going to worry to much about the spike in 20/21. Not for a few more years at least. 20/21 were strange years. If the figures return back into that 150-200 range, then I don't see 20/21 being that relevant considering the circumstances those two years. It will also be interesting to see if the unarmed civilian deaths return back up as well.
@@joemalinak7410 I think people misinterpret the "unarmed" group. Unarmed does not mean that a death was not justified or that the police did anything wrong. More people are murdered by unarmed people (hands and feet as the only weapons involved) than are murdered using "assault weapons" every year.
When a negative interaction occurs, an officer is most likely not caring what color the person is at the moment. If it’s you vs. “someone”, that someone is rooting from himself. Like you are rooting for yourself.
For whatever reason... Some demographics/cultures in the current time are just simply more violent and feel less accountable to authority for thier own actions You can argue the reasoning but to ignore this fact is ignorant and dangerous.
The murder rate has also increased by over 40% from 2015 to 2022. That’s the effect of black people “taking to the street”. Tell me if those extra 6000 people were a good trade for like a couple dozen.
One thing I noticed was that he gave the total deaths for almost a decade, then gave numbers of contacts and arrests PER YEAR (think of those caps as italics not yelling) thus leading the students to think of the 8,000+ as the number per year. Even if that 8,000+ was for one year, out of 60,000,000 contacts with police every year it's a vanishingly tiny portion of 1%.
So if police are confronted with a criminal complaint and the person is violent , do we want the police to just disengage. If you say yes that will promote everyone that doesn’t want to be arrested to threaten violence.
Black people need to learn how to BEHAVE around the police, don't run don't assault....act like an adult. so the police office has absolutely NO REASON to ever pull out his gun or taser........
I've had good encounters and bad encounters but always have tons of respect for all first responders, especially police. After school I was on my way to becoming one, but decided it wasn't for me, which was disappointing. These days there's no way I'd volunteer for that job, you couldn't pay me enough
While I do believe it’s a good thing that innocent being killed by police is going down, crime has skyrocketed everywhere, but for the most part in big cities. When police won’t protect the innocent from criminals, “We the people” are the ones that pay the ultimate price.
She says, I still "feel" like that is a lot...holy mackerel...we knew this stuff when we were in school 20 years ago. Make this Sociology class a mandatory learning for all students
this is what happens when you teach kids feelings but not how to understand big numbers. 1,800,000 people a year visit the emergency room for falling out of bed. almost 3000 a year are killed by Hippos. 12 a year are killed by falling vending machines. it's a big world. 8000 is a rounding error.
99.9% of cops are excellent, dedicated public servants. They perform an exceptionally dangerous job that is very unforgiving of mistakes or carelessness.
There are several more dangerous jobs, that get no glory, but a roofer isn't hated by a large part of the population. He doesn't worry about a random client attacking him. He doesn't go to the gunshots. It's not the absolute danger, it's the constant threat, and constant hate and contempt.
What are 99.9 percent of these so called excellent, dedicated public servants doing, while the less than 1 percent are commiting these crimes? Absolutely nothing. Which makes them complicit.
You might want to check your stats. 99.9% are excellent? My father is retired law enforcement. I can tell you the stats are the other way around… he was the .1% He was exceptionally rare- he was a good man!! We both can exaggerate numbers….
At 7:50 I think you would also need to track the number of police killed in the line of duty. Is that number going up or down with the implementation of new policies. You need to account for the cost, if any, that is paid for the policies put in place to reduce deaths of civilians.
More black people live in major urban centers, that's not the reason why they're shot, but it is why white people aren't. Pocatello and other small towns don't have as many police or crime because there aren't as many people
Not the most eloquent professor, but he brings up many relevant topics, and provides a balanced, conversation with researched evidence in support of the points made. Too many people do not do any critical thinking on this topic, and only look at narrow points taken out of context.
Fifth Amendment No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. How many of those D@#÷$ were unjustifiable??
MANY of those that were unarmed were killed trying to take the officer’s gun, as well. This shows homicidal intent and triggers the justification to use deadly force. It’s unfortunate but true.
We need to be careful how we talk about topics and what should be done-as of 2023, with people saying we should abolish the police instead of an actual conversation on real change and improvement, police being ambushed and killed has increased dramatically. And the police in general don't feel supported and either quit or give up causing a new set of problems. We need to do better at working together and stop blaming someone else...check the blame and hate at the door and open up a real conversation.
I live Kensington part of Philadelphia so just sucks for high crime neighborhood and since this war on cops has made this neighborhood a whole lot worse cops have their hands tied when I need one more likely than a lot of these people
Students lacking life experience influenced by media. Didn't consider police killed someone, saving someone, stopping armed attackers, or other lawful duties of a police officer. As if most citizens know the law, and how to protect a large diverse society.
I’d rather have the police involved pew pews than the rampant violence, looting, “mostly peaceful protests.” Stop fighting the police. Statistics show if you comply with the reasonable demands of the officer, keep a level head and cause no issues for the officer. You get to live. Kinda like if you don’t start stuff with an armed individual regardless of the location. Such as, if you’re getting robbed/mugged, comply with the demands and you’re odds of getting shot go down by 99%. There will always be variables but accountability for your actions should always take place.
A couple of problems I saw in this interesting and thought provoking lecture: The professor stated that "BECAUSE" black people protested, black deaths by police were down. A very, very unscientific assumption. First, you just finished showing that deaths by cops had been falling for years, so that must be considered. Second, it may be because cops let violent criminals (mainly black) go instead of engaging them and ending up on trial and being publicly paraded as a killer before a trial is even held. Additionally, people so often use percent of population to show bias. What is the percentage of any particular group which behaves in a criminal manor? How much violent crime exists in "White" slums? How much violent crime exists in "Black" slums? What is the pervasive attitude towards cops in the "white" population? In the "Black" population? The more we de-fund or, heaven forbid, push for abolishing the police, the like prison life society becomes.
In the UK population 67 million During 2022/23, there were: 28 road traffic fatalities three fatal police shootings 23 deaths in or following police custody 52 apparent suicides following police custody 90 other deaths following police contact that were independently investigated by the IOPC Those are totals for the whole country
@@hylanddilligaf6023 the latest receipts I can be bothered with for youtube So, how does the US and the United Kingdom compare when it comes to gun and knife crime? We looked at murder rates from both weapons over a five-year period. There were 34 firearm homicides in the US per million of population in 2016, compared with 0.48 shooting-related murders in the UK. Knife murders are also higher stateside: there were 4.96 homicides “due to knives or cutting instruments” in the US for every million of population in 2016. In Britain there were 3.26 homicides involving a sharp instrument per million people in the year from April 2016 to March 2017.
There’s no such thing as an unarmed person..especially when there are firearms at the location. An unarmed average person could potentially knock out an LEO and gain access to their weapon..
“Police will (tend to) protect themselves)”, other police. Also, other “tribal” groups also tend to reflexively protect members of their tribal when those members are behaving badly. The BLM movement even went as far as protecting a violent drug addict and criminal that was resisting arrest, going as far as committing criminal acts of arson, looting, rioting, private and public property destruction and criminal assault, all the way up to and including murder.
I was waiting for him to get into actual crime statistics since that's a really important component of this discussion. Unsurpisingly that didn't happen, probably cause that would be considered 'racist', or something 🙄
I applaud this professor for at least having the conversation, but there isn't enough pushback on his liberal bias. Criminals are more likely to encounter the police, which impacts mainly black people. Compare the crime stats to police brutality. Show the stats on non compliance by race and see how that looks for the black community compares to the white community. You would quickly see black privilege become apparent
When he asks "is 8000 (over 8 years) a large number?". I'm from the UK. Our police killed 51 people during the entire 20th century. So that would be one person every two years. So to us, yes, 1000 a year is a huge number.
Sam if you dig in deeper into the numbers of the unarmed black people shit and killed by police you understand why it is disproportional....Most were involved in several other crimes, most were violent offenders with previous records, and most were currently dmendangering the lives of police or others or were resisting all other methods including Tasers. The tasers are another hilarious issue as well if you look into the statistics of tasers being deployed. There is not a racial disparity but if you look at the stats of effective tasers on persons. Black and brown people are half as likely for the taser to work on them. Are the tasers bias toward them lol? Could it be a cultural aspect, such as amount of clothing worn, or oily skin? Should be studied.
I went to Purdue. Started in engineering. After 5 sememsters, I transfered to criminology. The difference between STEM students and Liberal Arts students, in the ability to understand a mathematical concept such as statistics was astounding.
Why would these stats be segregated by race rather than criminal or felonious behavior. If you want to look at the stats sociologically, I think collecting the stats by income level or whether the shooting occurs in a city or rural area would be more useful than assuming 100% racism 100% of the time. We know there is racist behavior, but I believe that it represents a tiny percentage of the disparity of shootings by race, and a far larger cause of the disparity is caused by criminal behavior, and quite frankly, the attitude of the perp. From what I have seen, in nearly identical police encounters, blacks tend to resist police far more often than other races do. I would suggest that it is likely that this is a major cause of the disparity which can be addressed and remediated through education - not of the cops, but of the perps.
I think a certain percentage of society will be bad and as the police represent society, a percentage of the police will also be bad or have undesirable qualities. You will never get a 'perfect' police force until society is 'perfect', which I doubt will ever happen.
You cannot address police "targeting" certain demographics without showing the crime stats in said demographics. You simply cannot have the same patrol intensity across the entire population without sacrificing the lives of those living in the most violent areas. With more intense patrolling you'll get more interactions and with more interactions there will be a greater amount of violent interaction, even if the percentage of such interactions is lower.
I understand it's easier to point a finger at a government body like the police and it certainly won't get you cancelled.
Because cops mostly police poc, plenty of white women and children are abused in every way. The boys as well, the good ole boys sticking together.
This was what I was thinking when that one girl said she saw police more in some areas versus others. I asked "The areas that had more police in them, did those areas have more crime or less crime?"
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Commission rates of a demographic "matter." Otherwise the single greatest victim group of the justice system would be human males. Males are the vast majority of people in prison, of people shot by cops. Do we say tat unless 50% of people arrested are women, there is a bias? No. Men commit more crime. Per violent felony committed no demographic cohort is shot less by police than African American males. Per murder of police by suspect, no cohort is shot less by police per capita than African American males.
The amount of policing in those areas also determines the amount of crime that is detected. It is a fact that police activity drastically increases when a community is majority black. More police activity , more crime detected. Whether or not addressing that discrepancy in police activity will account for apparent higher crime rates in majority black communities is something i am unsure of. Regardless, it is important to consider the impact that over-policing/disproportionate police activity has on the amount of crime that is detected.
We need to get rid of this notion that an unarmed person cannot be dangerous. You don't need a weapon to seriously injure or kill someone.
More people are murdered every year with hands or feet - than with rifles. Unarmed people cause twice as much death as the scary black guns do.
Any "activist" should be required to do a month of ride alongs at their local PD.
The activist would probably try to stop the police from going after the criminal, even if the activist saw the criminal commit the crime.
I consider myself an activist on civil rights. I'm trying to start my own RUclips channel exposing bad policing in my hometown because there's been enough crap happen here to write a book. I'd love to go on ride alongs all the time because I would just turn it into civil rights/constitutional rights class.
Cops need to start having continuing education classes like most professionals attend annually. The profession of policing needs to learn how to read the room while controlling their emotions and feelings. Learn "getting a call for service" doesn't mean that thing actually happened and you have arrest authority as soon as you get out of the car. So so many issues would instantly go away if cops would do these simple things.
@@ExcitedCoconut-cz5rq I applaud your zeal. I will state that most problems involving people, and cops are people, are not cut and dried. One very real problem in our current society is the widespread demonization of the job of police officer. Quality people are not inclined to go into that job. That leaves more unqualified people being hired and retained. The defund the police movements also translate into lower staffing, and less training.
@@ExcitedCoconut-cz5rq I am curious of your take on the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings.
I think it would be helpful for activists to know real data. This lecture broke down the list of people killed by police between armed and not armed. He SHOULD have broken it down between justified and not justified.
He convinced a bunch of kids that "unarmed" means not justified - and it does not mean that at all. More people are murdered using hands or feet as their weapon, than are murdered using a rifle of any kind (and that includes all the scary black ones everyone fears). Being "unarmed" does NOT mean someone is not a being a threat to anyone.
Of those 8166 people who were killed in that time period by the police, how many of them put themselves in a situation to have to deal with the police? If you go looking for trouble eventually you will find it.
My point is don't put yourself in that situation to begin with and you have a much more likely scenario that you will not be killed or shot by any police!!
Unarmed, is so nebulous. If someone is acting threatning and reach for something, it doesnt matter what it is, its what it could be.
The same standard doesn't apply to the average citizen so it shouldn't apply to police. A nation of laws means laws for all otherwise there is no law at all, only rules for the police and rules for the citizens.
@@waynebruce5579 You have that backwards an. Actually the standard that cops must prove for a defense in use of lethal forces is identical.
@@CantonBn Wrong. Cops are justified in shooting over subjective fear. Citizens need to objectively prove imminent bodily harm or loss of life to be justified. Do some research.
Thats referred to as furtive movements
9:44 60,000 police assaulted, that's 1/15 police officers who are assaulted while doing their jobs. Now how does that shape up compared to the common citizen? And when you're talking about multiple of your coworkers getting assaulted every single year, you're in an environment where violence against you and the people you work with is a constant reality.
Don’t work retail !
Watch some videos cops tackle a kid on a bike because he doesn't have a bike light hurts his arm and he is charged with assaulting police or the guy beat up and his blood gets on the cop also assaulting police
Really nice to see a professor spreading some common sense. Education not indoctrination. This was excellent thank you for posting it.
He left out a lot of context and I would say he was indoctrinating the students because of it. The lack of understanding of our unalienable rights and what it means to have liberty because of mass indoctrination through propaganda that's permeated our entire culture that has allowed police to become out of control. Police are colloquially the modern day red coats and terrorists by the current definition.
I’m a 54 yo retired NYPD detective. I absolutely love listening to your lectures! You have helped me understand myself in a way I never did. I love learning and growing!! We need someone like you talking to our young officers also! Post WW2 every American wanted to “punch” a Nazi and the general population were taking the brunt of it. In a post 9/11 America our officers all have the “ I wanna kill a terrorist “ mentality. Unfortunately this is also spilling over into the general population. We need to also remember that a majority of Police in the US have military background. It is very hard to unteach blanket suspicion and fear. Which is effecting so much of our police interactions post 9/11.
Sorry but only 25 % of officers nation wide have military experience. Even less with the NYPD about 7%-8%. I do agree with you that post 9/11 the job was worried about terrorism. perhaps too much but thats not quantifiable.
Yeah it's definitely a minority of officers with military training/experience
The new terrorists are the blue line gang !
Mentioned numbers are dropping and casually related to black protestation and activism. I’d offer that police have pulled back and withdrawn due to the attack on police. Crime is rampant it seems. Police shortages are spreading and new recruits are dropping. Basing it on racism seems a stretch as well.
It’s going to cost these Blue Cities a lot of money to recruit and retain the police to maintain order in a small number of mostly black neighborhoods.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, and how limited stats skew results. People will take this star in isolation and believe the police reform works
I was thinking the same thing.
I agree...to assume the stats reflect the result of activism isn't looking at the whole situation.
Agreed, he's jumping to a conclusion that's completely unfounded to a bunch of impressionable young people. The causation behind lower killings is the radicalization that leads to fewer confrontations. Now we see what's wrong with "higher" ed.
Every one of these students should have to ride with a police officer for a week and see what they go through and what they have to put up with when they arrest someone who's done something wrong or drunk!!!
They would both get to know the officer and realize they're just people like themselves and they would end up really getting angry at the people they were dealing with!!
Or agree with the community. When you realize what filth most cops really are.
Police don't become psychopaths, psychopaths become police.
Activism is action based on feelings and never on thoughts and data.
The really excellent thing about this lecture and the entire series is asking young people to think for themselves, to challenge assumptions and to arm oneself with facts as opposed to sensationalist news stories and activist talking points.
Roland Fryer, among others, compares police shootings/ killings to the number of violent crimes by race. Using rates of violent crime, IIRC the rates of shootings is no worse for Blacks. There are sound arguments for violent crimes by race being a better comparator. I'd love to see that discussed.
One point that was never mentioned is the breakdown of cops by race.
There is a lot of missing context. He is never going into the crime numbers. Why is he never talking about the crimes people are committing?
Why are the active crime numbers never covered in these lectures? Why does the speaker never cover all of the numbers?
I’m sick and tired of people blaming “The System”. I’m tired of people being so weak in their explanation of the policing issues we have in this country….I feel like we have a cultural problem, you have a whole community in this country that is okay with thug culture, they are okay with not working, they are okay a lack of respect for others and their property. I’m sorry but they are the problem. Not police.
Fairness has very little to do with this issue. This course looks like an easy A. Murders are up since the murder of George Floyd- most of them black. These activists destroyed billions of dollars in private property- many of them black owned businesses. West Philadelphia has yet to recover.
Notice he talks about “per year” for statistics except for the stat related to people killed by police, then he uses the total for 7 years
What if police are the thugs? There are thugs, and there are thugs with badges. What if the thugs with badges steal your property through civil asset forfeiture when you have not committed a crime and you cannot get your property back? There are a lot of videos on yt showing police abuse of authority. It's way way more than a couple bad apples.
Remember that police presence levels at different neighborhoods is mostly determined by local government leaders. Also, can we admit that most crimes are in poor, substitute colored, areas? Why shouldn't there be more police where the crime is? Look what is happening in those cities where police has been reduced due to "defund the police"
Sam... you won't start a confrontation with the police because you know better. That's why.
The best lesson I ever learned was its easier not to commit a crime than to get out of committing a crime.
We didn't have problems with people protesting. It was the riots and fires that was the issue.
How is this man still allowed to teach considering how 'liberal crazy' the college system is?
I applaud this man.
I would hate for the student activists calling for the police to be abolished to be a victim of a crime. Who else are they gonna turn to when they're being mugged on the street?
Ya, someone definitely needs to call a hand to show up late and write a report. Stupid argument.
Activists and social workers, duh
You would get more compassion from a mugger than a pig.
Cops solve less than 2% of crime and have no duty or obligation to protect people.
A big problem is how quick and how easy society/internet/politics generalises everything.
I love that this class is filmed and put on you tube. I would love to see this class taught by both a professor from the left and right at the same time in the same class. I think that would open so many more conversations. From what i have seen of this professor, i think this class should be a requisite to graduate.
I love these lectures , thoughtful and rational
Tyree was killed because he was resisting arrest and not complying. In a sense it can be said that he did more harm to himself fight with and resisting police that he hurt himself bad enough to die 3 days later in the hospital.
that was a gang execution.
He was killed because of thug cops punishing him for running and making them work ! Also not calling for EMS in a timley manner.
@chavitacanta008 don't you know cops don't have an obligation to protect anyone or save anyone's life. Read some case law and educate yourself DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales. But anyway what did we learn from all this...the million dollar slogan. "DONT COMPLY, YOU MIGHT DIE!" In the opinion of the majority of Americans, If you resist police or don't comply, you are taking your life into your own hands. Police have not only a right to protect themselves but a duty to protect themselves over others.
Soldiers have to follow rules of engagement, but why do we want to hold police to this standard of “comply or die?” We want to hold the citizens accountable but not the police to the standard of serving and protecting. That’s authoritarian.
@michaelbonet9062 As a Soldier, we have a comply or die policy as well. The universal sign understood in all cultures and languages is when I point a firearm at someone, it means "comply or die".......you with me? Because the rest of the world understands that. It's amazing it's universal.
As the number of police shooting unarmed people when down since 2015, the Number of police killed by people when up since 2015.
2015 : 165
2016: 181
2017: 186
2018: 187
2019: 163
2020: 417
2021: 623
2022: 224
Spot on. Because police are now terrified to be thrown under the bus for doing their jobs. It’s causing police to hesitate. And hesitation in a deadly force situation, could mean your own death.
Not that my opinion matters, but I'm not going to worry to much about the spike in 20/21. Not for a few more years at least. 20/21 were strange years. If the figures return back into that 150-200 range, then I don't see 20/21 being that relevant considering the circumstances those two years.
It will also be interesting to see if the unarmed civilian deaths return back up as well.
@@joemalinak7410 I think people misinterpret the "unarmed" group. Unarmed does not mean that a death was not justified or that the police did anything wrong. More people are murdered by unarmed people (hands and feet as the only weapons involved) than are murdered using "assault weapons" every year.
When a negative interaction occurs, an officer is most likely not caring what color the person is at the moment. If it’s you vs. “someone”, that someone is rooting from himself. Like you are rooting for yourself.
LOVE this professor!!! Keep teaching the truth.
For whatever reason...
Some demographics/cultures in the current time are just simply more violent and feel less accountable to authority for thier own actions
You can argue the reasoning but to ignore this fact is ignorant and dangerous.
There should be a category ' how many of the people killed by the police were stupid'?
Attitude to one another plays a big part, if you act aggressive it in turn demands aggression to defend! Look at the attitudes being taught.
Of the 463, please tell how many were on drugs, how many were attacking the cops, attacking other people, resisting arrest, etc.
I wonder how the argument would change if the professor didnt feel hostage to the students.
What a great teacher!
The murder rate has also increased by over 40% from 2015 to 2022. That’s the effect of black people “taking to the street”. Tell me if those extra 6000 people were a good trade for like a couple dozen.
One thing I noticed was that he gave the total deaths for almost a decade, then gave numbers of contacts and arrests PER YEAR (think of those caps as italics not yelling) thus leading the students to think of the 8,000+ as the number per year. Even if that 8,000+ was for one year, out of 60,000,000 contacts with police every year it's a vanishingly tiny portion of 1%.
So if police are confronted with a criminal complaint and the person is violent , do we want the police to just disengage. If you say yes that will promote everyone that doesn’t want to be arrested to threaten violence.
Black people need to learn how to BEHAVE around the police, don't run don't assault....act like an adult. so the police office has absolutely NO REASON to ever pull out his gun or taser........
I've had good encounters and bad encounters but always have tons of respect for all first responders, especially police. After school I was on my way to becoming one, but decided it wasn't for me, which was disappointing. These days there's no way I'd volunteer for that job, you couldn't pay me enough
While I do believe it’s a good thing that innocent being killed by police is going down, crime has skyrocketed everywhere, but for the most part in big cities. When police won’t protect the innocent from criminals, “We the people” are the ones that pay the ultimate price.
It's not the system, it's the crime.
She says, I still "feel" like that is a lot...holy mackerel...we knew this stuff when we were in school 20 years ago. Make this Sociology class a mandatory learning for all students
Love the dude in the middle. Very based
yes, very based
And the girl in the jacket seems to be irritated to be there along with many others.
Did he mention which race was most likely to resist arrest?
This generation are so ignorant of the true n drive on feelings. Thank u for educating them.
"It still feels like a lot." Because no amount fact will change her feelings.
Under the constitution, police do not have an obligation to protect or save anyone.
If they have no impact and the politcs is ok. Doing nothing is a sure way to get fired by the voters.
@JRBendixen the current admin proves your theory wrong lol
this is what happens when you teach kids feelings but not how to understand big numbers. 1,800,000 people a year visit the emergency room for falling out of bed. almost 3000 a year are killed by Hippos. 12 a year are killed by falling vending machines. it's a big world. 8000 is a rounding error.
discuss 13/52 and the looting of Walmarts for so called "social justice"
99.9% of cops are excellent, dedicated public servants. They perform an exceptionally dangerous job that is very unforgiving of mistakes or carelessness.
There are several more dangerous jobs, that get no glory, but a roofer isn't hated by a large part of the population. He doesn't worry about a random client attacking him. He doesn't go to the gunshots. It's not the absolute danger, it's the constant threat, and constant hate and contempt.
What are 99.9 percent of these so called excellent, dedicated public servants doing, while the less than 1 percent are commiting these crimes? Absolutely nothing. Which makes them complicit.
Tell that to the family's in Uvalde.
It’s not “an exceptionally dangerous job” law enforcement is one of the safest jobs in the world. The hate and contempt is earned.
You might want to check your stats. 99.9% are excellent? My father is retired law enforcement. I can tell you the stats are the other way around… he was the .1% He was exceptionally rare- he was a good man!!
We both can exaggerate numbers….
Very interesting conversations... It's sad that the mind goes straight to brutality... millions pay to get killed by fast food everyday...
I want to see you do this in front of Congress -
At 7:50 I think you would also need to track the number of police killed in the line of duty. Is that number going up or down with the implementation of new policies. You need to account for the cost, if any, that is paid for the policies put in place to reduce deaths of civilians.
5:30 - "Now if it were fair"... see that is the problem right there. That is a very strange phrase regarding that statistic.
If everybody behaved, we wouldn't need police.
What are the activist going to do to increase Asian crime to ensure representation?
More black people live in major urban centers, that's not the reason why they're shot, but it is why white people aren't. Pocatello and other small towns don't have as many police or crime because there aren't as many people
Not the most eloquent professor, but he brings up many relevant topics, and provides a balanced, conversation with researched evidence in support of the points made. Too many people do not do any critical thinking on this topic, and only look at narrow points taken out of context.
How many unarmed are fighting for the cops weapon, then it is not killed but died in a fight
Fifth Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,
nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
How many of those D@#÷$ were unjustifiable??
I seem to remember people of all races protesting police violence. This honoring Blacks for less police violence seems to be pandering to a group…..
If you don't start a confrontation with police, you will not have a problem.
MANY of those that were unarmed were killed trying to take the officer’s gun, as well. This shows homicidal intent and triggers the justification to use deadly force. It’s unfortunate but true.
We need to be careful how we talk about topics and what should be done-as of 2023, with people saying we should abolish the police instead of an actual conversation on real change and improvement, police being ambushed and killed has increased dramatically. And the police in general don't feel supported and either quit or give up causing a new set of problems. We need to do better at working together and stop blaming someone else...check the blame and hate at the door and open up a real conversation.
I live Kensington part of Philadelphia so just sucks for high crime neighborhood and since this war on cops has made this neighborhood a whole lot worse cops have their hands tied when I need one more likely than a lot of these people
Students lacking life experience influenced by media. Didn't consider police killed someone, saving someone, stopping armed attackers, or other lawful duties of a police officer. As if most citizens know the law, and how to protect a large diverse society.
Police have no obligation or duty to protect people. Youre basing your opinion on movies and television.
I’d rather have the police involved pew pews than the rampant violence, looting, “mostly peaceful protests.”
Stop fighting the police.
Statistics show if you comply with the reasonable demands of the officer, keep a level head and cause no issues for the officer. You get to live.
Kinda like if you don’t start stuff with an armed individual regardless of the location.
Such as, if you’re getting robbed/mugged, comply with the demands and you’re odds of getting shot go down by 99%.
There will always be variables but accountability for your actions should always take place.
A couple of problems I saw in this interesting and thought provoking lecture: The professor stated that "BECAUSE" black people protested, black deaths by police were down. A very, very unscientific assumption. First, you just finished showing that deaths by cops had been falling for years, so that must be considered. Second, it may be because cops let violent criminals (mainly black) go instead of engaging them and ending up on trial and being publicly paraded as a killer before a trial is even held. Additionally, people so often use percent of population to show bias. What is the percentage of any particular group which behaves in a criminal manor? How much violent crime exists in "White" slums? How much violent crime exists in "Black" slums? What is the pervasive attitude towards cops in the "white" population? In the "Black" population? The more we de-fund or, heaven forbid, push for abolishing the police, the like prison life society becomes.
Why are so many of these people allowed to be on their phones?
You didn't talk about per capita violent crimes. knowing would help explain the discrepancy between white and black statistics.
In the UK population 67 million During 2022/23, there were:
28 road traffic fatalities
three fatal police shootings
23 deaths in or following police custody
52 apparent suicides following police custody
90 other deaths following police contact that were independently investigated by the IOPC
Those are totals for the whole country
@@sbjchef How many STABBINGS?
@@hylanddilligaf6023 the latest receipts I can be bothered with for youtube
So, how does the US and the United Kingdom compare when it comes to gun and knife crime?
We looked at murder rates from both weapons over a five-year period.
There were 34 firearm homicides in the US per million of population in 2016, compared with 0.48 shooting-related murders in the UK.
Knife murders are also higher stateside: there were 4.96 homicides “due to knives or cutting instruments” in the US for every million of population in 2016.
In Britain there were 3.26 homicides involving a sharp instrument per million people in the year from April 2016 to March 2017.
There’s no such thing as an unarmed person..especially when there are firearms at the location. An unarmed average person could potentially knock out an LEO and gain access to their weapon..
After the second number in response to how many people killed, I yelled out, “One dollar!”
“Police will (tend to) protect themselves)”, other police. Also, other “tribal” groups also tend to reflexively protect members of their tribal when those members are behaving badly. The BLM movement even went as far as protecting a violent drug addict and criminal that was resisting arrest, going as far as committing criminal acts of arson, looting, rioting, private and public property destruction and criminal assault, all the way up to and including murder.
I was waiting for him to get into actual crime statistics since that's a really important component of this discussion. Unsurpisingly that didn't happen, probably cause that would be considered 'racist', or something 🙄
no mention of the crime stats by race? you cant have this conversation without them
We all know what the 13% do.
They'd need to send these statistics to the black lives matter people....
It’s sad that I’m not surprised by the answers of the one individual on the right.
I applaud this professor for at least having the conversation, but there isn't enough pushback on his liberal bias. Criminals are more likely to encounter the police, which impacts mainly black people. Compare the crime stats to police brutality. Show the stats on non compliance by race and see how that looks for the black community compares to the white community. You would quickly see black privilege become apparent
Wow what a waisted tuition by mom and dad. These kids are just clueless about the real world.
Why no discussion on the number of interactions or arrests by race? Why do data on the amount of violent crime committed by race?
You said so yourself Doc, you won’t get into trouble at your age…then again, you aren’t looking for it.
That stats 6 min in are interesting. Instead of using general population numbers using percentage of crimes might be more useful.
why did you not bring up sueaside by cop early in this talk?
HFTCD 🎉🎉🎉
What about all the beatings ,corruption ,false arrests ,illegal detainments ?
I like how she outed herself being too dumb to understand statistics and numbers.
If there is no law and order then the people that suffer most are the poor.
Wrong to say disproportionate death numbers are unfair. You did not examine rates of criminality and interaction with police.
3:02 ...that's where her mind went because she has been conditioned to be anti-police.
Full stop.
Yup. Automatic victim.
This is strange....I give him some credit for having the conversation and standing by his words by posting it. He means well, I think.
When he asks "is 8000 (over 8 years) a large number?".
I'm from the UK. Our police killed 51 people during the entire 20th century. So that would be one person every two years.
So to us, yes, 1000 a year is a huge number.
How can these students be so ignorant of the basic facts?
Sam if you dig in deeper into the numbers of the unarmed black people shit and killed by police you understand why it is disproportional....Most were involved in several other crimes, most were violent offenders with previous records, and most were currently dmendangering the lives of police or others or were resisting all other methods including Tasers. The tasers are another hilarious issue as well if you look into the statistics of tasers being deployed. There is not a racial disparity but if you look at the stats of effective tasers on persons. Black and brown people are half as likely for the taser to work on them. Are the tasers bias toward them lol? Could it be a cultural aspect, such as amount of clothing worn, or oily skin? Should be studied.
5:28 What?! By what measure? Percentage of the population according to the last census? You have to analyze a little more than that.
Definitely not statistic majors. More people should study statistical data.
I went to Purdue. Started in engineering. After 5 sememsters, I transfered to criminology. The difference between STEM students and Liberal Arts students, in the ability to understand a mathematical concept such as statistics was astounding.
Why would these stats be segregated by race rather than criminal or felonious behavior. If you want to look at the stats sociologically, I think collecting the stats by income level or whether the shooting occurs in a city or rural area would be more useful than assuming 100% racism 100% of the time. We know there is racist behavior, but I believe that it represents a tiny percentage of the disparity of shootings by race, and a far larger cause of the disparity is caused by criminal behavior, and quite frankly, the attitude of the perp. From what I have seen, in nearly identical police encounters, blacks tend to resist police far more often than other races do. I would suggest that it is likely that this is a major cause of the disparity which can be addressed and remediated through education - not of the cops, but of the perps.
I think a certain percentage of society will be bad and as the police represent society, a percentage of the police will also be bad or have undesirable qualities. You will never get a 'perfect' police force until society is 'perfect', which I doubt will ever happen.
Why do you continue to put black and brown together
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Cameras are the big reason the numbers are going down.