I am with you on the integrated rear lights, I would really like to know how BMW got away with those lights. I hope that all owners of BMW with that set up will hound them in surveys and social media posts. BMW NEEDS to be forced to change the tail lights and this all in one rear light should be outlawed.
I'd imagine the flashing brake light would be annoying to be behind at night at the traffic lights. Great video as always my fave biker vlogger so far I passed my test last december so looking forward to booking a tour next year
Great workaround on the additional brake light; *dumb* design change now corrected. Can't say I share the same love you have for the lights under the roundel though. To each their own. 😉 Great bike of course. Triple Black. Only way to go. Was hoping to hear something about the "Mojave" name on the ezCAN but according to their website it is just a name, just like there is an ezCAN "Tagus" for my Triumph. Other ezCANs for other bike manufacturers don't seem to have pet names.
Good vid as usual Bruce. Flashing brake light ?? That will confuse most drivers. Stop lamps must show a steady red light. That's the wording in MOT Manuel.
Excellent....If buying the same bike I would have to have the rear set up fitted....albeit with a steady stop light enabled rather than modulating. Historicallly I have purchased bikes outright....Maybe worth checking small print if purchased on PCP albeit personally I don't see an issue with reversible mods in a PCP scenario.
You can add the extra rear light to the Weiser modules I have the weiser modules and the Denali D5 but have added the rear light where the rear light should be not under the plate Also it's on as a running light then as a normal brake light not that confusing flashing under the plate
Nice changes Teapot, a question about the sticky pads, did you put them on before or after the ceramic coating? I know that when paintwork has been ceramic coated then getting things to stick can be tricky, believe it’s because the ceramic coating fills all the microscopic indentations making the surface completely smooth hence nothing to grip onto.
Aye I’d heard that too - I find stickers etc don’t do well at all, but these eaZigrip tank pads seem to have stuck brilliant. Make sure you use a hairdryer or something to gently heat the pads before you apply them👍
What's the bet BMW eventually goes back to the original set-up? That's why I bought a 2020 RS1250 instead of the latest model with integrated lights. What do you think about the latest from BMW on Replacement shaft drives?
As I’m now a 1300 owner I’m obviously miffed I’ll have to pay for a replacement IF I keep the bike for that mileage. HOWEVER, I also think it’s good that they’ve identified an issue and done something about it, rather than put their head in the sands and keep quiet about it (which I’m sure other manufacturers have and would do). I also think it’s pretty amazing that they’re going to cover the cost of replacement drive shafts for all the 1200/1250 owners out there
Great informative video. Totally agree about BMW’s integrated lights at the rear end, not ideal at all. Do you know of anyone in Scotland you would recommend, that would fit that rear end upgrade system to an S1000 XR?
Hello Bruce you mentioned you had battery issues. What exactly was it as I have had issues with my 1300 if not on trickle charge will deplete in a couple of weeks. Akso get the odd none/lazy start second push does it. What battery charger do you use. Thanks all the best Mike
Hi Mike, I’ll turn the ignition on, but when I push the starter button, it sounds like the battery is flat and it won’t turn the engine over. I was having to wait over 30 seconds at times for the battery to ‘warm up’ before it would start. It went in for the starter relay recall and this seemed to fix it as the bike started first time for the first few days, however it’s started doing the same thing a few times now 🤦♂️ I don’t use a charger👍
Thank you for the reply. Mine doing the same I've had the relay changed also. Still does it every now and again. I have it on trickle charge think it's just all the electrics against the battery. Got same battery on my S1000RR never had an issue with that. All the best to you
You can get all prices at abikething.com The emblem kit - abikething.com/product/led-back-light-emblem-disc-plug-and-play-kits £371.74 Rear light isolator kit (includes rear light but no ezcan as you get one with the emblem kit) - £321.61
Interesting video. Bit of a left field question here. The ceramic coating you had done, still working out well? I am trying to find someone local to me (NE Scotland) to do my fairly new bike, dry use only so far. But am not confident of using a company that doesn't specialise in bikes as I feel it would be a whole different job to a car. And none I can find come to you. Any wisdom to pass on? Thanks.
Hello bud, Zero complaints about the Supershield Auto stuff. It does NOT mean you don’t need to clean your bike, you still need to keep it reasonably clean - the difference is you simply give it a quick hose down when you get back from a ride, and the bike is GLEAMING again. If you leave salt, dirt etc sitting on the bike for weeks, then it WILL still eat into the ceramic coating and leave marks, so just give it a quick rinse off and the job is done. Drop Pete a line at www.supershieldauto.co.uk and I’m sure he’ll be able to help you out in some way 👍
@@teapotone Thanks for the reply. Sounds just what I want. Lack of local provider is problem and I think yer man is too far away as got no reply to enquiry before.
Reckon they could add backlights to the switch gear? I can only imagine how fiddly that might be to install it it were possible without chucking complete replacement switches on.
I think Steve (A Bike Thing) has looked at retro fitting backlights to the switchgear, but it wasn’t economically viable at that time. This may change though as technology advances 🤷♂️👍
In these days of health and safety I'm very surprised the std no standalone rear light was allowed. Some cars have indicators in the middle of the brake light, a dangerous design ! Your rear light set-up is the way it should've come out the factory.
Sorry, but whoever designs any bike, let alone a premium model without satisfactory lighting should be sacked! The radar should be the option, and add on device, not a decent indication to following road users that you've applied the anchors.
That radar design front and rear shouldn't be there unless requested... Looks crap. Lovely bike though and generally an excellent follow on from the 1250👍
Bruce, has there been any "rumbles" in the bike legal community about the legality of BMW's back light situation? I think that there's a question about the safety of the design and lack of forthought concerning the bleed from the blinkers/brake lights. Looking at this solution, BMW could have added this straight out of the box. There's no excuse for this.
@@teapotone are there any solicitors in the clan? Also 44 Teeth do the odd legal segment on their channel from time to time. I wonder if their solicitor would have an idea? Sort of a class action lawsuit?
No idea, not sure what angle you’d come from either though? It’s not illegal and you know it’s there when you buy the bike, so why would a solicitor be involved and what ‘argument’/case do you think you’d have?
@@teapotone Legal Requirement. In almost all regions, having functioning brake lights is a legal requirement. Driving without them, or with faulty brake lights, could result in a fine or penalty points on your license. More importantly, it could endanger you, your passengers, and other road users. Although, technically they are there, they are not clear enough to deem them fit for purpose and therefore dangerous to other road users and the rider itself.
Can't disagree that the rear light design is basically not fit for purpose in the real world and that it is pretty lousy that owners are having to fork out more money-on what is not a cheap bike in the first place- to improve their visibility to other road users. However I have seen the same type of issue mentioned with cars- some of the VW Golfs are complained about, with indicators being "drowned" out by brake lights- and I would say this is down to very poor type approval legislation on the part of the EU who draft and pass the requirements and laws. You have to ask why they now permit combined rear/brake/indicator lamps when it should be obvious that such a design is potentially compromised. ( Though BMW can't escape blame, they didn't HAVE to adopt this setup but opted to put form over function)
Make sense, what was BMW thinking about when they designed that ,absolutely crazy not a bright idea from BMW, There are still geniuses about, Perhaps BMW technical department will take note, that the system they set up is useless, Think bike Think Safety, not Profit on a rear light, BMW,😊
I can't believe BMW went for the integrated. Going to be some nasty accidents..... Definitely did the right thing, we have enough issues with idiot drivers, why as a manufacturer would you make rear visibility worse.
I will, however all the rest of last years content which I’m currently editing, is on my old 1250 - so you’ll have to wait until I do this years tours and trips to see content more content on the 1300 for now
30k for a premium branded bike and they come up with such a stupid idea for the rear lights on all models.... nice update you guys did but sad u acctualy have to do it in the first place...
great information Bruce, and also refreshing to here some positive feedback from a proper owner with over 4k under yer kilt....rock on!
Pants design by BMW from stock. Who on earth decided that was a good idea.
Great redesign
I am with you on the integrated rear lights, I would really like to know how BMW got away with those lights. I hope that all owners of BMW with that set up will hound them in surveys and social media posts. BMW NEEDS to be forced to change the tail lights and this all in one rear light should be outlawed.
Great to see the collaboration of 2 UK RUclips masters.
That's a massive improvement. Really liked the 3rd flashing brake light 👍
The blinking OFF/ON turn signal is WAY better than stock. That's a crazy system. 👍
It’s crazy eh
The third rear light very good idea, do like the side lights yellow when flashing off. Top stuff he..👍
Steve & Tom are really excellent - great upgrades!
Top blokes eh 👍
Great video Bruce 👏🏻 was a good day down there with the guys at @abikething 👍🏻🏍️💨😎
Cheers Pete, hope you’re still enjoying the Jekill and Hyde 👍
100% better Bruce, bad design by BMW on rear light/indicator, I wouldn't feel safe with factory set up, now definitely safer, Bikes looking great 👍
Cheers Andrew 👍
Looks great. The new brake light/indicator set up should be OEM.
Same rear lights on my 2023 1250 and this is just the set up I'm looking for.
The 1300’s just are now coming in to dealers in the US. Cannot wait to test ride the new model but like you, the black model is the one for me. Cheers
Had the weiser wizard on my GSA for a year now massive diffrence
Big money bike and you need to do thing's like this😮 incredible.
You don’t need to do anything bud, I chose to do this 👍
I'd imagine the flashing brake light would be annoying to be behind at night at the traffic lights. Great video as always my fave biker vlogger so far I passed my test last december so looking forward to booking a tour next year
But at least they have seen you 🤞🤣
Aye I don’t like the flashing brake light either, mine is set to act like a traditional brake light so it doesn’t flash
I ordered one of these yesterday for my Tiger 900
How much are they mate 🤔
Love the lower brake light
Cheers, you shouldn’t have to do this, but it’s a great work around 👍
True
But so much safer than standard
Great workaround on the additional brake light; *dumb* design change now corrected. Can't say I share the same love you have for the lights under the roundel though. To each their own. 😉 Great bike of course. Triple Black. Only way to go.
Was hoping to hear something about the "Mojave" name on the ezCAN but according to their website it is just a name, just like there is an ezCAN "Tagus" for my Triumph. Other ezCANs for other bike manufacturers don't seem to have pet names.
Good vid as usual Bruce. Flashing brake light ?? That will confuse most drivers. Stop lamps must show a steady red light. That's the wording in MOT Manuel.
I don’t have it set to flash, they really annoy me, so I have it as a traditional constant brake light
Excellent....If buying the same bike I would have to have the rear set up fitted....albeit with a steady stop light enabled rather than modulating.
Historicallly I have purchased bikes outright....Maybe worth checking small print if purchased on PCP albeit personally I don't see an issue with reversible mods in a PCP scenario.
Every bike I’ve ever ‘owned’ has been on PCP and I’ve modified every one, never had a single issue with giving them back, warranty’s etc 👍
@@teapotone 👍👍ty
Fantastic video finally the 1300 👍🏻
Great vid Bruce, nice one
Thanks Al 👍
Brilliant Video…Thanks Bruce!
No worries Bob 👍
You can add the extra rear light to the Weiser modules I have the weiser modules and the Denali D5 but have added the rear light where the rear light should be not under the plate
Also it's on as a running light then as a normal brake light not that confusing flashing under the plate
Lovely bike 😊
Nice changes Teapot, a question about the sticky pads, did you put them on before or after the ceramic coating? I know that when paintwork has been ceramic coated then getting things to stick can be tricky, believe it’s because the ceramic coating fills all the microscopic indentations making the surface completely smooth hence nothing to grip onto.
Aye I’d heard that too - I find stickers etc don’t do well at all, but these eaZigrip tank pads seem to have stuck brilliant.
Make sure you use a hairdryer or something to gently heat the pads before you apply them👍
What's the bet BMW eventually goes back to the original set-up? That's why I bought a 2020 RS1250 instead of the latest model with integrated lights. What do you think about the latest from BMW on Replacement shaft drives?
As I’m now a 1300 owner I’m obviously miffed I’ll have to pay for a replacement IF I keep the bike for that mileage. HOWEVER, I also think it’s good that they’ve identified an issue and done something about it, rather than put their head in the sands and keep quiet about it (which I’m sure other manufacturers have and would do).
I also think it’s pretty amazing that they’re going to cover the cost of replacement drive shafts for all the 1200/1250 owners out there
Deleted my comment on where you can get 10% off these. Good on ya Bruce!
Great informative video. Totally agree about BMW’s integrated lights at the rear end, not ideal at all. Do you know of anyone in Scotland you would recommend, that would fit that rear end upgrade system to an S1000 XR?
No Neil sorry I don’t. Try dropping Steve and line at A Bike Thing, he may know of someone up that way that he’d recommend 👍
Hello Bruce you mentioned you had battery issues. What exactly was it as I have had issues with my 1300 if not on trickle charge will deplete in a couple of weeks. Akso get the odd none/lazy start second push does it. What battery charger do you use. Thanks all the best Mike
Hi Mike,
I’ll turn the ignition on, but when I push the starter button, it sounds like the battery is flat and it won’t turn the engine over.
I was having to wait over 30 seconds at times for the battery to ‘warm up’ before it would start.
It went in for the starter relay recall and this seemed to fix it as the bike started first time for the first few days, however it’s started doing the same thing a few times now 🤦♂️
I don’t use a charger👍
Thank you for the reply. Mine doing the same I've had the relay changed also. Still does it every now and again. I have it on trickle charge think it's just all the electrics against the battery. Got same battery on my S1000RR never had an issue with that. All the best to you
Can you tell us the cost of the lights upgrade. Please 😁
You can get all prices at abikething.com
The emblem kit - abikething.com/product/led-back-light-emblem-disc-plug-and-play-kits £371.74
Rear light isolator kit (includes rear light but no ezcan as you get one with the emblem kit) - £321.61
Interesting video. Bit of a left field question here. The ceramic coating you had done, still working out well? I am trying to find someone local to me (NE Scotland) to do my fairly new bike, dry use only so far. But am not confident of using a company that doesn't specialise in bikes as I feel it would be a whole different job to a car. And none I can find come to you. Any wisdom to pass on? Thanks.
Hello bud,
Zero complaints about the Supershield Auto stuff. It does NOT mean you don’t need to clean your bike, you still need to keep it reasonably clean - the difference is you simply give it a quick hose down when you get back from a ride, and the bike is GLEAMING again.
If you leave salt, dirt etc sitting on the bike for weeks, then it WILL still eat into the ceramic coating and leave marks, so just give it a quick rinse off and the job is done.
Drop Pete a line at www.supershieldauto.co.uk and I’m sure he’ll be able to help you out in some way 👍
@@teapotone Thanks for the reply. Sounds just what I want. Lack of local provider is problem and I think yer man is too far away as got no reply to enquiry before.
Reckon they could add backlights to the switch gear? I can only imagine how fiddly that might be to install it it were possible without chucking complete replacement switches on.
I think Steve (A Bike Thing) has looked at retro fitting backlights to the switchgear, but it wasn’t economically viable at that time.
This may change though as technology advances 🤷♂️👍
A marked difference at the rear cluster. Wonder why BMW designers went down that particular route. 👍🤔
Instead of logo, a flash light under the GS text in the silver part would be look amazing
Watch this space 😉👍
Thanks.
I pick up my 1300 next month. Getting insurance has Ben a major headache
Aye it’s weird eh, I had a real issue getting it back in October, I’d hoped they’d got their 💩together by now, but seems not
I’m quite shocked at how poor that stock set up is - huge improvement now
Aye me too, I’m amazed a German company came out with this type of design, the stock setup is definitely LESS safe than an independent brake light
Hi Bruce, hope you are well. Can you tell me if you have an internal net for the BMW Vario Topcase ? If not, do you know where I can buy one ? Thanks
I’ve got the net for the old Vario top box but not the new one.
I think I bought it on UkGser
In these days of health and safety I'm very surprised the std no standalone rear light was allowed. Some cars have indicators in the middle of the brake light, a dangerous design ! Your rear light set-up is the way it should've come out the factory.
Saludos Brucces 🤓😉🇪🇦💪
Hello! 👍
You mentioned a tracker in your vid. What tracker do you recommend?
I’ve bought a Datatool one - had one on my last 1250 too 👍
@@teapotone 👍
The tank lights are sexy AF
Cheers Michael 😎
Hi what tracker did you have fitted for insurance?
It’s a Datatool Stealth one 👍
@@teapotone thank you👍
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
are flashing lights legal in the UK? (Apart from indicators obviously) my bike failed its MOT as I had the lights set to flash when the horn was used.
No I don’t think they are - I don’t like it when they flash so I have it set as a traditional brake light with constant light upon activation
and what a really good light it is as well, you can never be too visible@@teapotone
so when are you adding a new jekyll and Hyde for the 1300 ;)
IF I’m given one, then it’ll probably be in the next few months
Sorry, but whoever designs any bike, let alone a premium model without satisfactory lighting should be sacked! The radar should be the option, and add on device, not a decent indication to following road users that you've applied the anchors.
Somehow BMW is getting away with supplying inadequate rear lighting. Great work from the lads to sort it but it shouldn't have to be done.
I agree 100% 👍
....and who would of thunk BMW have crappy indicators, maybe a crossover from their cars which seem to have them completely removed.
What is the rear led and where to get it pls
I say in the vid bud? Just contact ‘A Bike Thing’, they have them in their website 👍
The previous GS models had a shite tail/brake light. Too bad that premium bike has crappy indicators....
That radar design front and rear shouldn't be there unless requested... Looks crap. Lovely bike though and generally an excellent follow on from the 1250👍
Bruce, has there been any "rumbles" in the bike legal community about the legality of BMW's back light situation? I think that there's a question about the safety of the design and lack of forthought concerning the bleed from the blinkers/brake lights. Looking at this solution, BMW could have added this straight out of the box. There's no excuse for this.
I agree Adam, I think it’s a safety issue, but they seem to be getting away with it 🤷♂️👍
@@teapotone are there any solicitors in the clan? Also 44 Teeth do the odd legal segment on their channel from time to time. I wonder if their solicitor would have an idea? Sort of a class action lawsuit?
No idea, not sure what angle you’d come from either though? It’s not illegal and you know it’s there when you buy the bike, so why would a solicitor be involved and what ‘argument’/case do you think you’d have?
@@teapotone Legal Requirement. In almost all regions, having functioning brake lights is a legal requirement. Driving without them, or with faulty brake lights, could result in a fine or penalty points on your license. More importantly, it could endanger you, your passengers, and other road users. Although, technically they are there, they are not clear enough to deem them fit for purpose and therefore dangerous to other road users and the rider itself.
Can't disagree that the rear light design is basically not fit for purpose in the real world and that it is pretty lousy that owners are having to fork out more money-on what is not a cheap bike in the first place- to improve their visibility to other road users. However I have seen the same type of issue mentioned with cars- some of the VW Golfs are complained about, with indicators being "drowned" out by brake lights- and I would say this is down to very poor type approval legislation on the part of the EU who draft and pass the requirements and laws. You have to ask why they now permit combined rear/brake/indicator lamps when it should be obvious that such a design is potentially compromised. ( Though BMW can't escape blame, they didn't HAVE to adopt this setup but opted to put form over function)
Amen to all of that 👏👍
Make sense, what was BMW thinking about when they designed that ,absolutely crazy not a bright idea from BMW,
There are still geniuses about, Perhaps BMW technical department will take note, that the system they set up is useless, Think bike Think Safety, not Profit on a rear light, BMW,😊
I can't believe BMW went for the integrated. Going to be some nasty accidents..... Definitely did the right thing, we have enough issues with idiot drivers, why as a manufacturer would you make rear visibility worse.
They’ve done it since around 2020 I believe
and please, make videos with 1300GS. Not the 1250…
I will, however all the rest of last years content which I’m currently editing, is on my old 1250 - so you’ll have to wait until I do this years tours and trips to see content more content on the 1300 for now
30k for a premium branded bike and they come up with such a stupid idea for the rear lights on all models.... nice update you guys did but sad u acctualy have to do it in the first place...
Are you JOKING how the FOOK did BMW think that was a good idea??!!!!
Control your ears, the noise of this engine (not from the exhaust) is awful.
BMW no room anywhere under the plastic , never again 🤮🤮👎👎👎👎