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The Best Rear Projection Screen for Shows - Optiblack
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2019
- Gerriets' Optiblack is probably the best rear projection screen for stage.
We took it for a test drive at the Las Palmas Opera www.operalaspal...
It's a very dark back projection screen made of PVC that doesn't suffer the hotspot issues other screen suffer.
If your stage design has a dark background, the Optiblack 2.2 is for you. Check it out here: www.gerriets.c...
Even if this is not a sponsored video or paid advert I have to admit that this is a very biased review. I like Gerriets products - everybody knows that.
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You have taught me more than my professors. Thank you sooo much!!!
This is very informative.
And here I am, seeing this for the first time and wanting to do this for my band's stage production but being microscopic in comparison to scale/production
Depending on how big or small it might be less microscopic than you think.
Thanks for watching.
Well, I meant regarding a fiscal and notoriety level.
Largest rooms I play are tops 300 capacity.
Hahaha
Thank you for posting your work! This was very informative! In the past, I used a rear projection on muslin, and that hot spot was an issue.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge w us. I’ve been learning so much from you and your videos. I just got drawn into mapping cuz it looks so cool! Your videos came up on my recommended and here I am now purchasing equipment and stuff just to play around with. Your teaching style made this my new hobby and practicing a lot! Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Enjoying these so much, sharing around to friends and fellow artists who would enjoy and benefit from your videos. Cheers from NYC!
Hey Michael! Thanks for watching - and for spreading the word. Makes me happy if those little clips help and entertain a bit.
That was very informative! Thanks for posting that!
Very informative and step-by-step on this Optiblack process. - James D. Watkins, artistic director of PHOENIX PRODUCTIONS.
You have no idea how much help this video was for me!!!! Thank you!!!
Now I have. Thank you, and: Thanks for watching.
Soft edge ! Yes!
Really nice tutorial and great storytelling! Learned something today about rear projections. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
i just came across this and found it very interesting thanks
Your soft edge word is "gradient" I think, but we would probably just say soft edge or feathered
Please forgive a stupid question but is this Projection Mapping? I am totally new to this and looking to create for example: Street Scenes when singing songs from the likes of Les Mis or a Snowy scene if performing something from DISNEY'S Let It Go but looking to use the Existing large and full width Cinema Screen but add two Side Panels to create a Pseudo 3d image of a street scene and others. As we are only a tiny music school, we cannot afford Projection mapping but I was thinking of employing three Projectors and as above a main image and two side images. Am I barking Mad or do you think this is achievable? So Main screen plus two X Opti black on the sides. Superb info on Angle of the lighting as evidence in the final scenes on your video Thank you in advance - Aindre
Aindre Reece-Sheerin Thanks for watching!
Well, in this case it’s not really mapping. I’m just projecting a kind of 3 dimensional image on a plain 3x4 surface. But it works pretty well. Despite the fact that covering the sides will make side lighting impossible (something You should consider for Your planned setup)
What You are describing seems pretty doable.
Give it a try and keep us updated.
Love Garriets products too, and know Hannes very well, I use "EVEN" screens as well, very good for edge blend
I should do a piece on the even soon.
You’re right.
Thank you! Looking for a affordable way to set something up at my studio for etc work
Thanks a bunch for sharing and for a great, informative video which made us choose Gerriets' Optiblack 2.2 for some small-scale experiments with a roll of 2.2m width and 2.5m height.
We are very satisfied with the results, and are thus aiming at getting a larger screen measuring approx. 3m height x 6.60m width.
As the rolls only come in 2.2m width, I guess we need to order a pre-made screen that is made up of 3 pieces of each 2.2m (roll width) x 3m (height) - and those pieces will be then need to be welded so there will be a seam.
Since we are sometimes shooting video using the rear-projection option, we are very curious to know if this seam / welding is visible or not in camera (its essential that it is not visible ;-).
So the questions are:
Do you have any experiences with screens with seams?
How to avoid visible seams? (Or is it possible to buy this large screens without weldings?)
Do you perhaps know of any links with video examples? (its hard to see in this video - so maybe the seams (if any) ARE invisible ;-)
That's a good question. The sizes You are asking about imply that Your camera might be very close to the screen. In this case (and in unavoidable 4K) the seems might be visible. But You could ask Your local Gerriets supplier to ask for a very precise welding.
Most times they are pretty precise and You won't see any welds from a few meters away. But as it#s a theatre company and most screens are really far away from the audience it could be that they work fast - in which case you still wouldn't see any welds from the audience. But from closer You might.
The biggest problem here is: The camera picks up differences in brightness very easily. So the slightest changes might be visible. But that's also a kind of negotiation. So talk to Your local Gerriets store directly and ask them if they can try to achieve some invisible welds.
@@philipp7pc Thanks a lot for your swift and helpful answer.
Indeed, we shoot very close to the screen and sometimes we also need the background to be ultra sharp as well - and that's exactly our challenge ;-)
I'll contact the local Gerriets store and discuss / test with them.
Thank god I only use and consult screens and don't build them. ;]
@@philipp7pc He, he. Indeed👍 Sometimes, I wish we had it like that too😉
We are just currently in unchartered waters and have to keep exploring and inventing while building the tracks as we go 🚄🤔💡🛤 ...
That's so awesome! If you didn't know, Gerriets actually uses a photo of this show on their website when you search for the OPTIBLACK product!
A quick question, if you don't mind. What projectors did you use in conjunction with these screens? I'm currently researching rear projectors and screens for a venue where I'm from, and was trying to see roughly how much something of this quality would cost them. Thanks so much and I absolutely LOVED what you did!
Thanks! It was a great production. That's true.
We used two Panasonic 21k. The usual at that time.
I have been watching your videos for several weeks . I must say you do very special and impressive projects
I saw at the video that there was a black 'tulle'/net in front of the stageBut I could not see the effect on it Is it possible at all (to create a hologram) when using a back projection on OPTIBLACK screenwhile there is a tulle in front of the stage? end if so, did you use two projectors back for the OPTIBLACK and front for the tulle/net?
Hi. Thanks for watching! I think what Your asking can nicely be seen in the stage works of Adrien M & Claire B.
@@philipp7pc Thank you for answering me
Thank you!
Do you know how many lumens the projectors you used in this video are?
Thanks for watching! Those are Panasonic two DZ21K projectors. So on paper they have 20.000 Lumens. But in reality it's perhaps a bit less.
Por qué no lo haces en español…..me parecen extraordinarios !!
Pero mi español no está suficientemente fluido para hacerlos en castellano.
Super interessant gemacht! Und...verständlich ;)
Espectacular trabajo, se agradeceria una traducción al español! Great Job!
Gracias. I would love to present it in Spanish. But my Spanish is far too bad to explain something like this.
Hi Philipp, thanks for the super informative video. I wondered if you might be able to 'shed some light' (lol) on the visual effect of the Optiblack when no video is being projected. I am doing a show soon where there are some scenes for which we do not have video material. Does the screen just disappear into the darkness at the back when not projected onto? Or is it shiny? Can one place lights behind it and create a similar effect like to when one lights a white Opera from behind with different colors? I am not interested in using colour at all, it would rather just be a sort of warm ombre effect I would want to achieve with a light source behind the screen, just sort of an atmosphere for the space, and wondered what the possibilities are to create something like that with an Optiblack as opposed to a white Opera screen. I really dislike that conference feel when a white screen hangs there with nothing projected onto it. On the other hand I'm wondering whether the Opti is limiting in terms of 'existing' onstage in moments where it is not used as a projection surface and need to make a decision on this. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
The optiblack is a little glossy. But unless You're hitting it with frontal lights it shouldn't be visible when dark. I would still suggest to have some content on it that helps pretend that there was a tangible nothingness there in the back. ;]
With lights from the back like you would do it on a normal opera the optiblack looks pretty stunning as well.
Awesome vlog! I learned a lot thx. So for rear projection i think I will follow your advice and buy a black pvc screen from this company. But before i do may i ask if this optiblack is only suited for softedge projection or is it also the best suited material for rear projection of normal videos such as music videos in my case?
The Optiblack is a very good pvc for back projections of any kind. You'll like it for any kind of setup if there is stray light in the room.
@@philipp7pc i will give it a try, thx for your answer
Great video! I was wondering whether you had recommendations for projectors as well ??
Thanks for watching. There should be a video around here on the channel about choosing the right projector.
@@philipp7pc yes I’ve just watched. Thank you so much.
@@philipp7pc might be cheeky to ask and feel free to ignore. But what are some projectors you found that have a good throw ratio ? I don’t have a lot of space at the back so this might be completely unrealistic.
The question is a bit tricky. The project I'm premiering tomorrow has two projector in it. One is 65.000€ the other was around 85.000€. A few months ago I bought the one I'm reviewing in one of the latest videos. There's a huge range and it's impossible to recommend anything, because none of us "Pro"s knows the actual needs, budgets and none knows the whole market.
Ciao! Brilliant work, hopefully see you on a show one day :) Ci Vidiamo Dopo!
how many lumens is the projectors used on these screens
Those are Panasonic 21Ks (one for each screen [8x6m] ). A little less would also have done but there was only much less available on the island, so... 21K
Thanks for the video...
I was wondering if strips are stitched together or adhesive is used to create much larger screens?
Welded with ultrasound welding irons.
There's a video here on the channel where I filmed the process.
very good video and very good experience, I'm Basque and I wouldn't mind helping you out sometime.
I discovered your channel very recently but I find it very interesting.
Thank you very much for the content and a pleasure.
Welcome! And thanks for watching.
I hope you’ve seen this one as well ruclips.net/video/7xlPar5u6vY/видео.html
Fantastic Video-but I am a one man band. I am looking for a projection screen which the OptiBlack seems to fit.
I have two questions-
1.) Does OptiBlack come in a 6 Ft height X 6 Ft. wide. Or can I buy a roll of of it to fit the stages I would be on? Same dimensions apply
2.) What kind of projector should I be in the market for?
Thank you so much-Your video has given me inspiration!!
Thanks for watching.
The Optiblack can be confectioned to your needs. So get in contact with your local seller and ask them for a quote.
About the projector it's hard to tell. It would mainly depend on the distance and the light conditions (see the video on projectors for more). But if you're setting up and striking as a one man band, think about getting a laser projector for a more robust build.
thanks for the video. Super interesting material, I'll definitely look at it. I see that you use Qlab to drive the show but what software are you using for the videomapping? Keep it up! Cheers from Belgium.
Thanks for watching! QLab became a very stable and versatile solution for those smaller productions. But if it gets more complicated I'm using AE to prepare stuff for QLab or entirely work on a server like pandoras box.
@@philipp7pc Ok thanks! I agree Qlab is awesome for those situations. Nice visuals btw ;)
Nice job well.
Hi from Leipzig
Do you have a contact for them? I can’t get a hold of anyone.
Sure, DM me.
Is this screen acoustically transparent?
Hi! Thanks for watching. Nope. This is a classical PVC. It will block most of the sound waves to a certain degree.
Any input on the ramifications of using an Ultra short throw projector onto a rear projection film? I would think this may help reduce hotspot?
As long as it’s a mirror lens you might be right. But as conventional wide lenses distribute their edge light in a very flat angle you will be losing a lot of intensity to reflection on the glossy back of the screen. So there might be more of a Hotspot or at least reduced intensity on the edges.
@@philipp7pc The rear projection film that I chose is clear in an attempt to get a holographic-like image in which objects behind the screen can be seen, and I chose a ultrashort throw projector since alI the videos I found using similar clear rear projection films showed a noticeable hotspot. The projector and the lens is off to the side of the visible field of view of spectators. Anyway hopefully it all works. Thanks!.
Oh yea you may have been going for a vignette edge
Any distribution in the USA, only need small screens
There should be a US section at the store of gerriets.com. If not, DM me.
what is the name of the transparent material, I see that it has no joints..
The front scrim? That's a GobelinTulle.
At least I think that's what it was. Have to check again if it wasn't a Peatulle
Hi Phillip, is the optiblack very expensive? I'm an art student and wondering about acquiring something like this for a project.
Thanks for watching! Well, it's a lot more expensive than the cheap ones ... for a good reason. Reach out to Gerriets, maybe they are willing to support Your project with a good price.
espectacular!!!!!! ademas hablas aleman, ingles, español, algo mas?. Simplemente increible.
podias (ya que conoces a gente en España) decirnos algun lugar donde puedan enseñarnos la tecnica mapping a modo Amateur para comenzar a investigar en este Campo? Vivo en Valencia.
Gracias por visitar mi canal! Del momento planeamos un espectaculo en el Cervantes Málaga www.teatrocervantes.com/es/genero/lirica/ciclo/167/espectaculo/2212 No se si tengo el tiempo pero puede ser que puedo planear unas horas de clases de mapping. Hay sitios donde la gente va para aprender cosas asi? Como el Medialab-Prado en Madrid?
gracais. pero si conoces alguien que pueda impartir clases de mapping cerca de valencia, por favor enviame link. y si alguien ve este comentario y sabe de algun curso, que lo postee
si, hay tecnicos de iluminacion que quieren iniciarse en el mundo del mapping para crear espectaculos y muchos (como yo) no sabemos que tecnicas existen, cuales son los sofwares utilizados, las maquinas que se necesita, y como no tambien a confeccionar los proyectores en blending. todo esto es necesario explicarlo en persona, pues aunque hay cosas que se aprenden por la red, las tecnicas de confeccion, reproduccion, montage, iluminacion se deben explicar en persona. Ademas la maquinaria utilizada, pc o mac, o linux, tambien tipo de proyector, lumens, etc...
si quieres montar un curso en valencia, puedo buscar un lugar para ejecutar el curso y algunos parthners que puedan dejarnos el equipo. No se, yo no soy experto pero lo puedo intentar.
@@houlaperes De la area no conosco a nadie... puede cambiar. ;]
@@houlaperes Pues, dejanos pensar en crear un workshop en Valencia. Voy a hablar con colegas y amigos. Por lo minimo podemos organizar un meet up con un poco de insight.
Looking to rent something like this for just a few days for a keynote type video shoot. I have a theater but don’t know anything about projectors or this material. Looking for a surface area of maybe 15’ x 30’ ~. Could you possibly give me some rough numbers on a rental price for something like this? This is the only quality video I’ve found with this quality and scale and rear projection, thank you! Would love any referrals or video suggestions. Thanks from Cleveland
Thanks for watching!
It's not even that expensive to buy. Depending on the application You could use the raw material and build a frame to staple it to. www.gerriets.com/us/optiblack-2-2-front-and-rear-projection-screen
If You like, hit me up per mail and I'll get You a special contact.
Whether this screen can be used with ultra short throw Projectors?
It can be used with short lenses. In fact it might be more even than most other screens. But keep in mind you need like twice the light.
Hi btw i just want to ask what video cam that you using recording this video?
Thanks for watching.
It was the LUMIX L15 (L10)
@@philipp7pc what is the best budget camera you can recommend?tq
"Gradation"
Thanks for the in depth demo. God bless you bro and know that Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, has given His life for your sake. Because of His great and deep love for you personally, God Himself became a man to pay for humanity's debt by dying in our place on the cross, and that man is Jesus Christ. God's love cannot and will not go against His own righteousness, so as Judge and Owner of His creation, our debt of sin had to be paid for, but only He could pay it because only He is righteous. And He didnt have to pay for our debt of sin but He chose to for our benefit. Yet we rejoice because our God is alive and well because He ressurected from the cross and conquered death so we could have eternal life, so just as Himself, those who believe will die but we will live again forever more in peace and joy in heaven. For the eternal God has paid for our eternal debt in hell by dying on the cross so we could have eternal life with Him in Heaven (John 17:3). Repent ( turn ) from your sins and turn to Jesus and He will surely forgive you. Follow Jesus for He is a GREAT Savior and Comforter in good and bad times (read the book of John in the Bible to know Him, it is Jesus' life History, He is the Word of God in the flesh, He is God Himself in the flesh). And we do not use His unconditional grace and forgiveness as an excuse to sin, even though we are not perfect, but I desire to devote every ounce of my being to following Jesus, the One who loves me and forgives me. When I sin I am deeply grieved, I lament and repent, turning back to Him, and He righteously forgives me because He has paid for my sin. We do not serve Him to earn His love, we serve Him because He loved us first (1 John 4:18-19). When He came the first time as a man He came as a lamb to be slain in our place, but Jesus is coming back as conquering King, the Lion of Judah 🙏
1 John 1:8-9 KJV - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Romans 6:23 KJV - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Appreciate the informative video but wish you wouldn't swing the camera around so much, it's sickening and distracting to try to watch. Your face does not need to be in every shot.
I think ppl watch this channel bc he is a friendly face and like having his face explain things/ and also seeing the behind the scenes moments of his work, maybe read a text book if you would prefer
made my day. ;]