Should We Stop Embracing Arab Culture..Does Dinka Privilege Exist? & More!
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- In this episode, we discuss Arab culture and influence. Is it something that we should embrace or do we need to start celebrating our own customs? We also touch on our tribal languages, the story of how Juba became our capital, tribal privilege, and more!
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For a country where are history is so embedded for centuries are we really confused that culture is blended and it becomes our culture. Henna, wearing a tope, even speaking Arabic Juba it become part of our culture.
Exactly
@Slimgirl.coilyhairhow do you think culture is created? Through influence. Even what we deem as “ our culture” comes from somewhere else. We are nomadic culture and we blend cultures to make your own.
Nah…
Another great episode!!
I agree cultural exchange and influence have been a part of human history for centuries, and South Sudan, like other nations, may have aspects of Arab culture that have integrated into its own culture. This can include language, cuisine, music, and more.
What's crucial is that individuals in South Sudan have the autonomy to decide which elements of culture they wish to incorporate into their lives while respecting and preserving their own cultural heritage and identities. Cultural diversity can be a source of strength and enrichment for a society
48:55 I'm speaking as an Equatorian. Not all, but many of us deny being South Sudanese, particularly after fleeing to neighbouring countries. I truly respect Dinka and Nuer for their patriotism towards our country. However, I visited South Sudan in 2022, notice that Dinka privilege does exist resulting many people fleeing to refugee camps in Northern Uganda. I am truly blessed given that members of my family have intermarried into different tribes like Didinga, Acholi, Toposa, Bari, Kawkwa, Pojulu, and Madi. Each of them has a distinct culture, and I learn so much from them all. Keep up with the good content !!
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love this channel so much! i just wanted to say, south sudan is a multilingual country, also meaning many cultures are coexisting with each other. although we can all understand the magnitude of the oppression our ancestors have faced, we should not stop embracing arab culture. over generations, many of our families have been intertwined, this could cause (in the largest aspect) discrimination. we already know about tribalism so... what we really need to focus on is uniting as one and how we can use our strengths and weaknesses to uplift each other and ... our economy. and, arabic is up there with the english national language. you could say, oh well the arabs were bad to us but you can also say the british were bad to us but look at us acknowledging and making an african country have its oppressors language. that says something in itself. there's many themes that come into play. its truly complicated. but we have to make sure that we are not thinking from a place of feelings and more so from a place of logic. moreover, i am also dinka and believe dinka privilege exist! so guess what i'm doing? actively learning the language. wasn't born or haven't been yet, but ik it will be a huge advantage in my life. lastly, i may be inaccurate with my thoughts on the manner so not too much.... but truly southern sudanese culture is so beautiful. we are so beautiful. ❤
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The brother in the ball cap made a good point concerning the one way diffusion and Henna . I think that's why scarification was practiced. The impetus of culture is environment.
It's apparent there's a color hierarchy.
Not sure where the young brother got his information on the genetic congruence between Ancient Kemites and modern Arabs. I'm not Egyptologist but the peopling of Egypt was established in the 1970's with the UNESCO Conference on the 'Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of the Meriotic Script' (1974) and the finds in TaSeti published in a New York Times article (1979). Robert Bauval is currently researching the progenitors of Egyptian (Kemetic) civilization. According to his research the progenitors of Kemit came from southwest Africa (Nabta Playa). Of course, the research is ongoing.
Like for me I live in kapoiter when I was young woman that marita I got my first born my second child in kapoiter so I I made myself to learn the poster language is their language and I was also working in the hospital I really enjoy that so it is good for us to learn the other drive language or culture you really enjoy it
Great discussion again. My only point would be that when it comes to the ancient history of the Nile, from Egypt all the way down to us, there is a lot of hogwash pseudo-history out there which are mostly racially motivated on both the Black and White side of the debate. These racial discourses are rooted in the racialism and racial supremacist society of America. This racial worldview is then imposed on parts of the world where they do no apply and should not apply, like Africa where identity is ethnic and not racial. We need to be careful and thoroughly vet the facts about the Nile and its people especially when we give them space on public platforms like this. As the gentleman in the beginning said, the use of henna was there in ancient Egypt before the Arabs invaded it in 639AD. Framing the debate therefore in a way that make us as Africans give them the ownership of our own cultural possessions is giving them power over us.
When it comes to the Arabs, we have faced them and we have navigated our religious, cultural, political, and economic encounter with them just fine. Case in point we have beaten them and established our nation. Same with our encounter with the Europeans. As Junubin, we should not be framing discussions from positions of weakness or from the position of the ones being influenced by others. We will create for ourselves unnecessary societal confusions like the Sudanese people are facing in the north between being Arab and African. We need to frame our discussions from positions of self-affirmation, especially as a new nation. Junubin have faced and navigated numerous imperialisms and supremacist societies and came out of them with our cultures and sense of self as proud and dignified as ever. We are inheritors, adopters, and also creators of traditions in the Nile basin just like all the other peoples who occupy the place. Our exchanges are mutual. One thing about us Junubin is that we are rooted in ourselves and accept and adopt or reject the cultures and religions of others on our own terms. For example how we changed Arabic to Juba Arabic.
I wish this topic really dived in more about the traditions each culture and tribe does for their wedding cause it’s really different. The dances, the clothing people where and what they mean to each tribe. Down to the the beats colours they means or stand for something. Even in death the custom is standard but we all have a lot of ways of showing it. Also our food traditions and our ethics good and how we should preserve it. That’s my thought.
Thank you for your suggestions! ❤️ We definitely plan on doing a follow up episode where we delve deeper into each tribes different culture and traditions.
Food for thought: it was the indigenous peoples of Mexico who taught the European settlers in America how to be a cowboy which involved cattle herding, pastoral and nomadic features. The indigenous peoples of North and South America existed on their lands for over 10,000 years they have said. So, how can you say that your culture borrowed cattle heading from the Middle East Arab culture?
@@g.p7640 I was responding to what one panelist said which was not checked or challenged by the moderators. Indigenous practices over 10k years ago would surpass the Arab practice which the panelist said we borrowed from. Perhaps you should direct your point to him that various cultures were practising pastoral and herding long before the Arabs did so our practice in South Sudan is not "borrowed."
Our beauty in South Sudan it is the culture that we have each culture is unique in its own way all of us we are one people we are one under one umbrella and we are beautiful that has been created by God
According to oral history from the elders and scholars and archeological evidence suggests that the nilotic people especially the Dinka and Nuer came to present day South Sudan from Khartoum, Kordofan and Gezira state’s roughly around the 15 century really
luo speakers like Acholi, Shilluk, Jurchol and Anyuak came 100 years before the Nuer and Dinka and the Bari speakers came before them all but all and all most of the different ethnicities migrated to South Sudan from up North somewhere at some point in time
I don't understand why the Brazilian and Indian hair if we are talking African culture!
in my Moru tradition, we don't have too much of Arab-sim going on. even out traditional Food such as mbasiko is not Arabic. But kisra , i guess lol
I think certain Dinka clans have privileges specially twic Myardit and Dinka Bor not all Dinka. For example northern upper Nile state which is a state that produces a lot of the oil in South Sudan, majority of people who live their are a also dinka but a different clan .The chemicals used for the oil has polluted the environment in that state. A lot of people from that state have advocated for the South Sudanese government to stop the oil production and remove the chemicals because their home is being destroyed but the government doesn’t listen instead they put those who speak up in jail or torture them till they stop advocating about the issues. How are the Dinka people in this state privileged or have an advantage more than any other tribe in South Sudan? when there home is being polluted by the oil to provide for the whole country, there’s no hospital no school and they can’t even obtain job in their local area in the oil manufacturing because they give those jobs to the Dinka clans related to the president.They are constantly under attack from the south Sudanese government and the rebel groups because of the oil production in their town even though they have called for the oil production to stop they don’t have a voice no one is listening to them, they will soon not have a home unless the oil production stops can someone explain to me how the Dinka clans from this state are privileged or have more a voice because the president of the country is Dinka?, if we’re going to talk about Dinka privilege we need to call out the specific Dinka clans that are privileged because not all Dinka are privileged
Us so called Dinka and Nuer, we call ourselves Monyjang and Naath, we are not Egyptians, we are Hebrews! Our cultural and religious practices are pure Hebrew!
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There's blue Nile and where's the white Nile
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Buer (the online speaker) brought in historical facts and was dismissed when he called out the inaccurate/nonfactual historical claims made by others who are less knowledgable. Like one guy really said because math originated in Egypt that somehow it means it is South Sudanese culture?? If something was invented in China, Indians cannot take credit just because both countries are in Asia. Some South Sudanese people have a real identity crisis - just be proud of your OWN culture which is NILOTIC.
Also North African's are not ARAB, majority are Amazigh which means indigenous to North Africa. The DNA of Ancient Egyptians is a mirror to modern day Egyptians as Buer mentioned so stop with the hotep nonsese and trying to claim Egyptian culture. You guys also need to stop with the narative that North African's are Arab. They are African but not BLACK you guys do know that Africa is the most genetically diverse continent in the entire world right?
1. Like one guy really said because math originated in Egypt that somehow it means it is South Sudanese culture?
May i get the time stamp where someone said Math was invented in egypt. Math is a universal language thus it cannot be invented….since at it’s basic its just counting. Which can be traced back to 18,000 in Cave paintings. I may have implied that Math was prominantly used in Ancient Egypt
I did bring up the point that ‘Algebra” was invented in the middle east, since its origions is the theory of Equations, and thus can be traced back to the arabic word al-jabr from the written work of a Persian mathmetician, Al-Khwarizmi…the title of that written work is Kitāb al-muḫtaṣar fī ḥisāb al-ğabr wa-l-muqābala “The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing”.
But you can correct me by putting the time stamp where i, or someone in the panel implied that mathematic was invented in Egypt. I would love to see it.
2. North African's are not ARAB, majority are Amazigh which means indigenous to North Africa.
That is not what Amzigh mean, Historically, Berbers did not refer to themselves as Berbers/Amazigh but had their own terms to refer to themselves. in Berber Amzigh means "free, noble man".
Egypt is the largest population in North Africa(110 million). Its Amazigh (Berber) population is less than 25,000. The country Chad, Mali, and Burkina Faso, which are all in ‘Sub-Saharan” Africa, has more population of Amzigh people than Egypt. The Amzigh population is around 40 million people. So by your logic Egypt is not North African, and the 3 countries I’ve just provided are all North Africa….This is why the notion of a Sub-Saharan africa makes no sense. Also the eastern part of North Africa or the Nile Valley has mainly been home to the Egyptians and Nubians. not Amzigh people...they're more prominant in Morocco and Algeria..or West North Africa
The Maghreb or western North Africa on the whole is believed to have been inhabited by Amazigh (Berbers) since at least 10,000 B.C.
Arabs constitute 70% to 80% of the population of Algeria, 92%97% of Libya, 67% to 70% of Morocco and 98% of Tunisia's population. The Berbers comprise 20% of Algeria, 10% of Libya, 35% of Morocco and 1% of Tunisia's population. - this is facts
3. The DNA of Ancient Egyptians is a mirror to modern day Egyptians as Buer mentioned so stop with the hotep nonsese and trying to claim Egyptian culture.
The DNA of Ancient Egyptians is more prominent in Southern Egypt (upper nile) and the absolute estimates of sub-Saharan African ancestry in these three ancient Egyptian individuals ranged from 6 to 15%, and the absolute estimates of sub-Saharan African ancestry in the 135 modern Egyptian samples ranged from 14 to 21%, which show an 8% increase in African component.
The problem with such analysis is that people assume that there is some kind “original” and “pure” ethnicities and there are also “fake” ethnicities or people who were originally one thing, but not how they chose to believe that they are the another things. Ethnicity first and foremost is a cultural identity. There is simply no such thing as an Arab DNA, or Turkish DNA, or Greek DNA, or Persian DNA. There is a whole set of things that defines person’s membership in an ethnic group and the vast majority of which aren’t related to biology.
That was my main point….This is why we were not arguing ethnicities, but CULTURE
4. You guys also need to stop with the narative that North African's are Arab. They are African but not BLACK you guys do know that Africa is the most genetically diverse continent in the entire world right?
If something was invented in China, Indians cannot take credit just because both countries are in Asia. Some South Sudanese people have a real identity crisis - just be proud of your OWN culture which is NILOTIC.
Again may i get a time stamp when someone made this claim, I’m not sure where anyone took credit for another culture or was not proud of our own culture, if you can point out a time stamp where someone argues that i can stand corrected. Speaking for myself, I stated that CULTURE is fluid, no one nation have a monopoly on a culture once that culture is introduced to the world, even more so since the majority of Borders in Africa and the Middle east were created by Europeans after WW1 and WW2 Thus, every population will take a culture and bend it to their will. An example we provided was Henna, Using henna for body art has been practiced for over 5000 years. It is a time honored tradition among various cultures of the world. It can be traced back to Ancient Egype and India. The people of ancient Egypt and India used this form of temporary tattoo for religious ceremonies, wedding festivals, and for simple body adornment. from there many other cultures have adopted it and made it their own.
Your comment was riddled with many false statments by the panel, either you did not comprehend what was being said, or you incorectly mispoke and attributed that falsehood to us speaking. But if i'm wrong and you can provide time stamps where those things were said then i can correct myself.
Thank you.
You guys are really trying but still going all over the place first and foremost why are we discussing hena thing when do we do it henna is done during weddings but as south Sudanese each tripe have its own way of doing their wedding traditionally
So that should be the main focus what do we do as south Sudanese culturally how do we do our weddings back in the days
Number two I don't like the way you guys introduce yourself based on your trips which wrong that's why tribalism still exists it will be best if all of you guys used your states rather than ur trips if you go to Rwanda now u will not hear them saying I'm from this time bcoz of what happened in 1994
Number 3 to David and Sarah having both trip doesn't mean you have to deny your origin ya David your from Lou Nuer and you should be proud of that bcoz kids takes after their father if your lost at this age what about the kids that u will bring to the world even today Marial is a minister under he's Lou pay am seat so u guys need to put all your facts together
When did we ever deny our Nuer origin? My mom is Dinka and my dad is Nuer who was adopted into the Dinka community. We are both.
@@SahraBenji I'm not talking about u Sarah I'm talking about the way your brother introduced himself
In all the people who are in that discussion ur always the one who talk facts and ur always right in ur arguments
Mentioning your tribe is not being tribalist lol. Yes we’re one people but we’re allowed to be proud of our cultural differences, that’s what makes us unique