Ok...I opened up the Mod. 25. To my surprise the piston seal looked good. Why I had it apart I gave it a nice tune and lube. I put the same piston seal back in and charged the type 6 Vortex to the recommended 100 bar. Just ran a 10 shot group over the chrony and averaged 650 FPS. So it was not the seal but rather an under pressurized Vortex ram. We maintained our accuracy and gained 100 fps. So the Vortex ram may have a very slow leak, time will tell.👍😉
So glad to see this. I was so impressed with my coil mod 25 that I was so excited to see your take on it. And I was initially disappointed you'd gotten a turd, so to speak. I have since added a Crosman shoulder stock and moderator to make mine a carbine, on top of some air detective-style trigger mods and it's a solid 4.5 ⭐ gun now if you don't mind me taking the liberty to say so. Shoots bugholes at 15 yards with jsb 7.33s going 690+fps. The only negative I can pick out anymore it's on the loud side for an 8fpe gun, even with a moderator. I'm hoping one day to give it a fair tune and see if she'll graduate to a fiver.
@@edwardmyirski7964 I am not a huge fan of the Vortex pistons. I have had too many of them fail. Overall I prefer the spring pistons. More dependable and many after market options to upgrade or replace the spring. I may entertain the .22 caliber in a spring version if they ever come back in stock. Happy Shooting 👍
The hatsan rams on all my hatsans failed within one year. My hatsan 135qe in .25 failed within one year with only a tin of pellets through it. Prefer a tuned spring any day of the week. For now just sticking to my hw97k.
Claiming 700fps and 8lb fpe when in reality they get 560 and just under 5 fpe is ridiculous. They also claim 58lb on the cocking effort. Giving these bloated phoney specs makes me not want to purchase their products and it's a shame because like you said it's a beautiful air gun. I always come to your page when looking to purchase a new gun most in depth and honest reviews out there and love seeing the chrony stats and your marksmanship. Thanks for the work you do.
Look at my pinned comments. My type 6 gas piston was definitely under charged from the factory. I charged it up to the factory specs of 100 bar. It is now shooting in the 650 fps range. So I would take a chance on a new one. If it doesn't give you the performance out of the box, return it. They are fun little guns. I appreciate you tuning in and thank you for the comments 👍
Que interesante escuchar eso sobre los sellos de pistón, siempre eh usado Hatsan y es lo más normal de encontrar en mi país y nunca eh escuchado a nadie que le pase, son súper duraderos en todo sentido los Hatsan al menos acá en verdad nunca eh escuchado nada mal sobre su durabilidad
I truly do wish they would improve the seals on the HATSAN break barrels . My Carnivore and Striker have had issues with the seals . But I would still buy this carbine if it came in .22 caliber .Thank You once again for a thorough and informative review
Just added a Hatsan Super Tact to my collection ( newer model ) 22 caliber QE and has a spring instead of the Vortex . It comes with more plastic , even the breech and trigger otherwise identical to yours . I mainly shoot left handed , but can switch either way and I find those grips seem to be hard to find at this time. I added a bipod adaptor to the barrel and plan to scope it .
Got a vortex piston in my 25 cal breakbarrel, but that's a monster and not a pistol i have the intire pistol range of hatsan the are relatively cheap and surprisingly good ..good vid thanks from the Netherlands.
The truth of the matter my daughter dumped her boyfriend's entire socket set in her car by accident. I was helping her reorganize it making sure nothing was missing, Lucy spontaneously shot the video😉👍
Hey I always enjoy your videos, I own 12 Hatsan rifle's and they seem to shoot well. I admit I only have a few hundred rounds through each so perhaps the piston seal issue is headed my way, bummer. Where would I purchase new piston seals from and are they factory original's?
Hi JC, I always liked this model, but I never had the opportunity to try a, Hatsan as says in general always need some adjustments, piston seal is one of them, but overall I thought the performance was very good for a pistol. I wanted to have one. it's always a pleasure to see your videos, my friend all the best. cheers
I have it apart today and will give it a full tune. I think the issue is with the Vortex Gas Ram. It may have a slow leak. I charged it to 100 bar as the max for the Type 6. We'll see if it holds. The piston seal didn't look too bad, a few metal shavings in the chamber, which is typical with Hatsan. I am hoping to gain another 100 fps and maintain that accuracy 🙏 👍😉
Hey man ! Just super great reviews ! You ever replaced the seals in this thing. Thinking about one pretty strong but your knowledge about the seals / well I do t know now. It’s was so darn accurate too. Give me a holler when you got time . Thanks Jeff Clark from ROCKDALE TEXAS
Are there any advantages of a gas piston model compared to a spring piston model airgun ? I don't see any, other than the manufacturer increasing their profit margin. John in Texas
Hi! I tried 8 different pellets on my mod25 with sig sauger optics, grouping 2.5 inch, distance 15 meters. I fixed the stock, dead tight. No improvments at all. May be i bought a faulty gun from factory?
So I received this gun today in the QE Springer model. Had a question... I tried 4 different pellets and all of them are an extremely tight fit they basically need to be jammed in there. Is this a hatsan thing?
Yes and no...Some of the breaches are tighter than others. Try the RWS pellets, 7.0 gr. They should fit a bit loser (see below). amzn.to/3ybygy9 amzn.to/3EH1HdV
I was just looking into this gun. Perfect timing AGD!! Great review. I think the one I was looking at had a spring not vortex piston. Any knowledge of the spring version? Anyways. Really like the gun. Hopefully maybe you can make a video of how to do the seals. I really liked the one you made for the Benjamin mark 2 pistol. I kept the pistol after doing that trigger mod.
The Hatsan is one of the more complicated to tune because the triggers are such a PITA. Look at the video I did on tuning the Dominator. This Mod 25 takes a 27mm seal just like the Model 95 and a few others. Not the most common piston seal. I will tear into it eventually 👍
@@tpctrash Actually this one was pretty easy. I put in an aftermarket 27mm seal and the compound the seal was made out of was too soft. Lost some velocity. I then reinstalled the stock seal after a hone and lube. I then pressurized the type-6 Vortex ram to the recommended 100 bar. Now I am getting 650 fps. So I could have a slow leak in the gas piston. I think I would purchase one with the spring piston given a choice. They are fun little guns. 👍😉
Just a question after talking to hatsan some are made for the European 6fpe that’s would be about the fps you had and the big hatsan raps tell me they sometimes find there way to the USA just like the 95s that are Limited to 12fpe in Europe
There's a lot to like about this gun but I have to agree that the velocity is just too low compared to Hatsans claim. How difficult is it to replace a piston seal? Where can you buy them? Are they expensive? I've never done this before.
Hi Frank, I took the Super Tact apart today. To my surprise the piston seal actually looked pretty good. I think the power issues is with the Type 6 Vortex Gas Ram. It may have a slow leak. I charged it to the recommended 100 bar and we'll see if it holds. If not we'll see if a replacement is available from Hatsan. I am going to do a full tune on the rifle sice I have it apart. The piston seal is a 27mm, run $12-$20 on average if you can locate them. They are the same diameter as the Mod 95. These are actually really easy to work on and are very similar to the Browning 800 Express I reviewed several weeks back. By goal is to maintain the accuracy and increase the velocity another 100 fps plus. I'll keep you posted 👍
Very nice review and pistol. So my question is: could I put a sound suppressor instead of that cocking handle ? Do you think it could result in a quieter and easier-to-break pistol?
I've got two versions that no longer cock. I believe its in the fault of the trigger system. I wouldn't invest in one unless you know how to repair them which i don't.
I am going to tune this. It is one of two issues, it's either the piston seal, of the Vortex Gas ram is weak or a combination of both. I will share the info after I tear into it.
That's gorgeous, but I am DONE with Hatsan USA. There are other airgun companies that actually care about their customers. It's too bad because I own all Hatsans and one Umarex.
Unfortunately, being a left-hander, I purchased the left-handed grips. I just used the left side non-grooved grip along with the original right side grip. It remains ambidextrous. It comes with the right-handed thumb groove. Happy Shooting!
I'm conflicted on this gun. I have the spring version and it was great until the PLASTIC frame that holds the trigger group broke. Well over $60 for Hatsan to fix it, they would not sell me the part so it would have involved shipping the gun both ways. Not worth it on a $120 gun. I subsequently bought a model 95 springer and it's okay but pretty unrefined. I'm now of the opinion that Hatsan isn't worth it. The experience actually made me shy away from a Turkish shotgun so maybe it was overall beneficial.
I actually picked up that newer version, Spring piston, and it broke within 10 shots. The entire trigger housing is made of plastic. It's a horrible design. Now the Mod65 I recently reviewed is a great rifle. I encourage you to watch that review if you haven't already 😉 👍🏻
I really don't like that what is found in performance in real testing is sooooo far from what is advertised. At first I was thinking that this would be a good replacement for the Benjamin Trail NP break barrel's awful trigger, now I think I'll pass on this one.
@@AirgunDetectives Then, I'll wait and see wat you find. Re. the .22 cal. model, yes I can get that one too, here in Canada. This might be of interest to me too.
@@regsparkes6507 I took the Super Tact apart today. To my surprise the piston seal actually looked pretty good. I think the power issues is with the Type 6 Vortex Gas Ram. It may have a slow leak. I charged it to the recommended 100 bar and we'll see if it holds. If not we'll see if a replacement is available from Hatsan. I am going to do a full tune on the rifle sice I have it apart. The piston seal (27mm), are the same diameter as the Mod 95. These are actually really easy to work on and are very similar to the Browning 800 Express I reviewed several weeks back. My goal is to maintain the accuracy and increase the velocity another 100 fps plus. I'll keep you posted 👍
Ok...I opened up the Mod. 25. To my surprise the piston seal looked good. Why I had it apart I gave it a nice tune and lube. I put the same piston seal back in and charged the type 6 Vortex to the recommended 100 bar. Just ran a 10 shot group over the chrony and averaged 650 FPS. So it was not the seal but rather an under pressurized Vortex ram. We maintained our accuracy and gained 100 fps. So the Vortex ram may have a very slow leak, time will tell.👍😉
So glad to see this. I was so impressed with my coil mod 25 that I was so excited to see your take on it. And I was initially disappointed you'd gotten a turd, so to speak. I have since added a Crosman shoulder stock and moderator to make mine a carbine, on top of some air detective-style trigger mods and it's a solid 4.5 ⭐ gun now if you don't mind me taking the liberty to say so. Shoots bugholes at 15 yards with jsb 7.33s going 690+fps. The only negative I can pick out anymore it's on the loud side for an 8fpe gun, even with a moderator. I'm hoping one day to give it a fair tune and see if she'll graduate to a fiver.
@@edwardmyirski7964 I am not a huge fan of the Vortex pistons. I have had too many of them fail. Overall I prefer the spring pistons. More dependable and many after market options to upgrade or replace the spring. I may entertain the .22 caliber in a spring version if they ever come back in stock. Happy Shooting 👍
The hatsan rams on all my hatsans failed within one year. My hatsan 135qe in .25 failed within one year with only a tin of pellets through it. Prefer a tuned spring any day of the week. For now just sticking to my hw97k.
@@AirgunDetectives they are in stock at pyramid. I’m curious to see a review in the .22 spring.
@@AK-ky3ou I would go with the spring! Wait till next Friday when I provide my 2 cents on the Vortex Gas piston. Thanks for tuning in😉👍
Claiming 700fps and 8lb fpe when in reality they get 560 and just under 5 fpe is ridiculous. They also claim 58lb on the cocking effort. Giving these bloated phoney specs makes me not want to purchase their products and it's a shame because like you said it's a beautiful air gun. I always come to your page when looking to purchase a new gun most in depth and honest reviews out there and love seeing the chrony stats and your marksmanship. Thanks for the work you do.
Look at my pinned comments. My type 6 gas piston was definitely under charged from the factory. I charged it up to the factory specs of 100 bar. It is now shooting in the 650 fps range. So I would take a chance on a new one. If it doesn't give you the performance out of the box, return it. They are fun little guns. I appreciate you tuning in and thank you for the comments 👍
Que interesante escuchar eso sobre los sellos de pistón, siempre eh usado Hatsan y es lo más normal de encontrar en mi país y nunca eh escuchado a nadie que le pase, son súper duraderos en todo sentido los Hatsan al menos acá en verdad nunca eh escuchado nada mal sobre su durabilidad
I really like these videos. I usually get my airguns out in the fall. I've watched several of you videos now. Excellent. Subbed
I appreciate you watching and thank you for your comments 👍
I truly do wish they would improve the seals on the HATSAN break barrels . My Carnivore and Striker have had issues with the seals . But I would still buy this carbine if it came in .22 caliber .Thank You once again for a thorough and informative review
In my experience, once you tune up the Hatsans and change the seals they are pretty nice guns. Thank you for watching 👍
@@AirgunDetectives how would you tune up the gun and where to get better piston rings?
Just added a Hatsan Super Tact to my collection ( newer model ) 22 caliber QE and has a spring instead of the Vortex . It comes with more plastic , even the breech and trigger otherwise identical to yours . I mainly shoot left handed , but can switch either way and I find those grips seem to be hard to find at this time. I added a bipod adaptor to the barrel and plan to scope it .
What a shame
1.use springer one 2.use domed pellets 3.oil seals they will be durable...
Got a vortex piston in my 25 cal breakbarrel, but that's a monster and not a pistol i have the intire pistol range of hatsan the are relatively cheap and surprisingly good ..good vid thanks from the Netherlands.
Looking at this one in the pistol version thanks for the review JC.
😎👍🏻
Top-notch work as always looks like a winner
Thank you appreciate you tuning in again 👍
Very nice for backyard plinking and Indian Mynas. Would go for a spring version in .177 and tune it (trigger screw) Great Video. Thank you.
Wow. I was just looking at this gun 💪🏾 👍🏾
I am going to tune it up and see if I can get a little more fps👍😉
Great review JC! I had to laugh at the intro, seemed like you were looking for the 10mm lol 😂
The truth of the matter my daughter dumped her boyfriend's entire socket set in her car by accident. I was helping her reorganize it making sure nothing was missing, Lucy spontaneously shot the video😉👍
Hey I always enjoy your videos, I own 12 Hatsan rifle's and they seem to shoot well. I admit I only have a few hundred rounds through each so perhaps the piston seal issue is headed my way, bummer. Where would I purchase new piston seals from and are they factory original's?
Very nice Turkish gun i bought yesterday lets see
Nice gun!
They should make one where you can pump multiple times like the old Crossman Classic pistol for more power.
Hi JC, I always liked this model, but I never had the opportunity to try a, Hatsan as says in general always need some adjustments, piston seal is one of them, but overall I thought the performance was very good for a pistol. I wanted to have one. it's always a pleasure to see your videos, my friend all the best. cheers
I have it apart today and will give it a full tune. I think the issue is with the Vortex Gas Ram. It may have a slow leak. I charged it to 100 bar as the max for the Type 6. We'll see if it holds. The piston seal didn't look too bad, a few metal shavings in the chamber, which is typical with Hatsan. I am hoping to gain another 100 fps and maintain that accuracy 🙏 👍😉
Hey man ! Just super great reviews ! You ever replaced the seals in this thing. Thinking about one pretty strong but your knowledge about the seals / well I do t know now. It’s was so darn accurate too. Give me a holler when you got time . Thanks Jeff Clark from ROCKDALE TEXAS
Hi Nice video'I have the Uk Hatsan Mod 25 Supertact QE and I wondered what scope you were using and how you fitted it to the gun. All best.
Great review thanks
Thanks Cory, I hope all is well!
Are there any advantages of a gas piston model compared to a spring piston model airgun ? I don't see any, other than the manufacturer increasing their profit margin. John in Texas
Hi! I tried 8 different pellets on my mod25 with sig sauger optics, grouping 2.5 inch, distance 15 meters. I fixed the stock, dead tight. No improvments at all. May be i bought a faulty gun from factory?
Good stuff pal..cheers❤
Thank you!😉👍
So I received this gun today in the QE Springer model. Had a question... I tried 4 different pellets and all of them are an extremely tight fit they basically need to be jammed in there. Is this a hatsan thing?
Yes and no...Some of the breaches are tighter than others. Try the RWS pellets, 7.0 gr. They should fit a bit loser (see below).
amzn.to/3ybygy9 amzn.to/3EH1HdV
Cool! Great video! Thanks JC! Glad you use splatterburst targets. Makes it easier for us to see.
Try shutting ice t bottle caps. . Fun love your videos . good work bro...
Have you tried the QE version?It's a springer.If so,what are your thoughts on that one?Thanks
Curious too
Nice job in the trigger. Would be a good ratter.
I think they should make the multishot version of this, like they did with the speedfire...
I love that idea!!👍😉
I was just looking into this gun. Perfect timing AGD!! Great review.
I think the one I was looking at had a spring not vortex piston.
Any knowledge of the spring version?
Anyways. Really like the gun. Hopefully maybe you can make a video of how to do the seals. I really liked the one you made for the Benjamin mark 2 pistol. I kept the pistol after doing that trigger mod.
The Hatsan is one of the more complicated to tune because the triggers are such a PITA. Look at the video I did on tuning the Dominator. This Mod 25 takes a 27mm seal just like the Model 95 and a few others. Not the most common piston seal. I will tear into it eventually 👍
Thank you!!
Yeah. Probably won’t attempt that one. Too bad. Liked the gun a lot.
@@tpctrash Actually this one was pretty easy. I put in an aftermarket 27mm seal and the compound the seal was made out of was too soft. Lost some velocity. I then reinstalled the stock seal after a hone and lube. I then pressurized the type-6 Vortex ram to the recommended 100 bar. Now I am getting 650 fps. So I could have a slow leak in the gas piston. I think I would purchase one with the spring piston given a choice. They are fun little guns. 👍😉
Get a spring version of it, morevpowerful.I use it .22 for a year almost shoot more faster than vortex
I just got a QE springer version and it’s absolutely amazing even compared to my pcps the edgun leshy is trash
Thanks for review. What's the adjustable front sight all about?
Just a question after talking to hatsan some are made for the European 6fpe that’s would be about the fps you had and the big hatsan raps tell me they sometimes find there way to the USA just like the 95s that are Limited to 12fpe in Europe
Wouldnt mind wacking the stock on my pistol version 👌🏻
There's a lot to like about this gun but I have to agree that the velocity is just too low compared to Hatsans claim. How difficult is it to replace a piston seal? Where can you buy them? Are they expensive? I've never done this before.
Hi Frank, I took the Super Tact apart today. To my surprise the piston seal actually looked pretty good. I think the power issues is with the Type 6 Vortex Gas Ram. It may have a slow leak. I charged it to the recommended 100 bar and we'll see if it holds. If not we'll see if a replacement is available from Hatsan. I am going to do a full tune on the rifle sice I have it apart. The piston seal is a 27mm, run $12-$20 on average if you can locate them. They are the same diameter as the Mod 95. These are actually really easy to work on and are very similar to the Browning 800 Express I reviewed several weeks back. By goal is to maintain the accuracy and increase the velocity another 100 fps plus. I'll keep you posted 👍
@@AirgunDetectives Thank you very much for the info. Yes, keep us in the loop on progress with this one.
I want to buy hatsan gasket, can you give me the link?
Do you have a link where I can get upgraded piston rings from for this gun ?
Very nice review and pistol. So my question is: could I put a sound suppressor instead of that cocking handle ? Do you think it could result in a quieter and easier-to-break pistol?
QE- builtin supressor model available
I've got two versions that no longer cock. I believe its in the fault of the trigger system. I wouldn't invest in one unless you know how to repair them which i don't.
Nise,gun
What scope do you have mounted?
can you share with us Scope model you using?
thanks brother nice video👏👏
It would be a cool gun if it hit the 695 fps. I'd like to see the difference with a new seal
I am going to tune this. It is one of two issues, it's either the piston seal, of the Vortex Gas ram is weak or a combination of both. I will share the info after I tear into it.
Love your videos, but I thought the T in Hatsan isn't silent lol
That's gorgeous, but I am DONE with Hatsan USA. There are other airgun companies that actually care about their customers. It's too bad because I own all Hatsans and one Umarex.
It does take a bit of work to get parts through them.🙁
maybe they measured the cocking effort without the cocking helper...
The ambidextrous / neutral grip side is in the box?
Unfortunately, being a left-hander, I purchased the left-handed grips. I just used the left side non-grooved grip along with the original right side grip. It remains ambidextrous. It comes with the right-handed thumb groove. Happy Shooting!
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Don't really see the need of a short barrel rifle that doesn't have enough downrange energy to hunt with.It is accurate though I'll give it that
It is a such thing as short range hunting you know 🤔
Have you tried the new 2022 umarex h&k mp7 ?
The trigger pull on that is horrible! That's why it's so cheap as well!
For half price of a diana lp8. It seems à good deal
Any small game hunting with it & what's the muzzle pounds of energy?
10 joule
@user-rb1go5hn9e That's impressive, any issues w/yours?
Name of the stock ?
I'm conflicted on this gun. I have the spring version and it was great until the PLASTIC frame that holds the trigger group broke. Well over $60 for Hatsan to fix it, they would not sell me the part so it would have involved shipping the gun both ways. Not worth it on a $120 gun. I subsequently bought a model 95 springer and it's okay but pretty unrefined. I'm now of the opinion that Hatsan isn't worth it. The experience actually made me shy away from a Turkish shotgun so maybe it was overall beneficial.
I actually picked up that newer version, Spring piston, and it broke within 10 shots. The entire trigger housing is made of plastic. It's a horrible design. Now the Mod65 I recently reviewed is a great rifle. I encourage you to watch that review if you haven't already 😉 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectivesчто именно сломалось? все версии из пластика...
Only 1 minute in JC, and I'm gonna guess 4 n half stars
Good guess!
Dude what scope Riser is that ?
How oddly he only responds to certain questions
Found my answer should read a few first .
How do u remove the stock?
Lol it's just a small button on the back to press inward..
Well it's a carbine style with that stock!
Yes but can be used as a pistol . FYI the stock release button is very stiff . Maybe with use it will improve?
Are they made in china?
Turkey i think
I really don't like that what is found in performance in real testing is sooooo far from what is advertised. At first I was thinking that this would be a good replacement for
the Benjamin Trail NP break barrel's awful trigger, now I think I'll pass on this one.
I will let you know after I tune it what the issues are. They do make a .22 caliber with a spring piston that has my interest a bit.
@@AirgunDetectives Then, I'll wait and see wat you find. Re. the .22 cal. model, yes I can get that one too, here in Canada. This might be of interest to me too.
@@regsparkes6507 I took the Super Tact apart today. To my surprise the piston seal actually looked pretty good. I think the power issues is with the Type 6 Vortex Gas Ram. It may have a slow leak. I charged it to the recommended 100 bar and we'll see if it holds. If not we'll see if a replacement is available from Hatsan. I am going to do a full tune on the rifle sice I have it apart. The piston seal (27mm), are the same diameter as the Mod 95. These are actually really easy to work on and are very similar to the Browning 800 Express I reviewed several weeks back. My goal is to maintain the accuracy and increase the velocity another 100 fps plus. I'll keep you posted 👍
@@AirgunDetectives Interesting stuff, JC, I'm looking forward now, to seeing what more you can find.
Thanks for the 'progress report'!
Iron arms lmao.