Its as simple as this: FRIEZA wanted to Rule everything while Buu wanted to Destroy everything. He had to step in with Buu. Besides, he could always defeat Namic Frieza but he could not defeat Majin Buu (any version).
But in Super doesn't Supreme Kai imply that Frieza is part of the reason why there are 28 planets with life on them? Implying that he destroyed some planets along the way as well?
@@spritvio639 trust me bro. Never take anything that happens in Super to help explain Z. Super is a fan service series which most likely will get retcon.
@@gohanson27 the movie was confirmed as canon by toriyama himself so idk about that also no it isnt fan service well the manga isnt anyways it has fanservice in it because all animes do
It's also because Majin Buu is basically immortal, regardless of what freeza did he was eventually going to die. He couldn't have destroyed the entire universe back in the old days even if he wanted to cuz he would have died before he did it. Majin Buu though is basically immortal because he's millions of years old so he really is a threat to the entire universe.
kais are supposted to help races grow, he had to find a strong mortal to help him stop babidi because he most likely isn't allowed to kill somebody kinda like angels, I believe that this was the only thing he could've done. If Goku was stronger before fighting Frieza while he was still on earth Supreme Kai would've probably sensed him and talked to him about destroying Frieza and his army
@@theallenbros0446 I am guessing that Kais are allowed to fight if the universe is at cost, frieza was just a tyrant who had nothing better to do but Buu would most likely never stop destroying stuff until there's nothing left to destroy
Yeah, I think it was just no reason to intervene. Frieza was just stablishing an empire and selling planets, rarely destroying them, as far as he was concerned those were just mortal affairs that didn't endanger the universe. He's a Supreme Kai, not a superhero.
Yeah but the frieza force was killing that planet's native population. How many billions or trillions of people were killed so their planets could be sold?
@@codyandrewjacksonavant That's still a bad thing, but Kais don't have to stop every death or every bad thing from happened, those are still mortal affairs they're not supposed to interfere with, even if it's not the morally good thing to do.
@@codyandrewjacksonavant What even is a mortal life in the eyes of a supreme Kai? For every last person Frieza's army killed, that persons soul traveled to the afterlife eventually to be reincarnated elsewhere in the universe. From the perspective of an immortal god nothing was being lost, just the cycle of life, death, and rebirth playing out as intended.
Shin would've stopped frieza after babadi was dealt with. Stop babadi and no dabura team up and no possible frieza possession. Babadi was a greater threat. Frieza's treachery was not going unnoticed.
Besides the whole thing of ''Toriyama had no plans for the Supreme Kai when making the Frieza Saga'' or ''He is a useless god'', if I had to give an in-universe answer... The Frieza Clan probably didn't destroyed as many planets as Majin Buu, establishing a tyrannical, yet ''civilized'' empire across space.
true. No kais ever stepped in to help with cell or the androids either. Supreme Kai only really stepped in with Buu since Beerus wasn't around. Beerus bitterly acknowledged frieza.
I've always gotten the impression that the kais and gods non-interference rule resulted from some past event where they did once intervene in mortal affairs quite often and it resulted in rebellion because the mortals thought they were being robbed of self-determination. They're supposed to just let mortal do their thing, only things like Buu need to be stopped. If they went around stomping out every wannabe ruler and tyrant instead of letting mortals deal with their own problems, they'd be heroes for awhile, but eventually discontent would grow.
That could also be a neat explanation for the radical cultural differences between the Saiyans of Universe 6 and 7. Perhaps the gods of 6 were always more hands off, which gave the Saiyans opportunities to fight against tyrants, giving them their positive reputation, while in 7 perhaps the gods were excessively controlling, smacking down any would-be tyrants before most mortals even hear about them. This zero tolerance policy would not only deprive the Universe 7 Saiyans of strong opponents to fight, but would inevitably force a conflict between the gods and the Saiyans, since Saiyans will fight anything, regardless of its moral alignment. This would also explain the existence of the Super Saiyan God form, and possibly explain why Bearus told Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta. I'm also leaning toward the old gods having temperaments similar to Zamasu, since the the god transformation requires several Saiyans of "pure heart" combining their power, suggesting that they were indeed rebelling against something they thought was evil.
@@Sintra4 You make some very good points there. I'll also add that Beerus himself, while lacking anything like a Zamasu complex, did still have a habit of killing anyone who was even slightly disrespectful of him, and tyrants who are full of themselves would almost certainly try to exercise authority over him, only realizing their error when its too late to take it back. Frieza in that regard at least had the warning from his much more level-headed father not to screw with Beerus and probably was a lot more polite and diplomatic with the destroyer, hence narrowly avoiding erasure for awhile, though Beerus was still considering erasing him.
It could be just be that toriyama didn't plan for a supreme kai to even be a thing. I haven't really researched into this so just take this with a grain of salt.
I kinda forgot but should know the answer. Realistically he can’t intervene in human affairs which is why he didn’t bother Frieza and he did with buu because he would’ve threatened life itself if he wasn’t stopped
The role of the supreme kai was to simply observe. He wasn't even supposed to do what he was already doing in the Buu Arc. But just imagine an alternate version of events where Beerus could sense that the supreme kai was being attacked by Buu. Due to the fact that the two are linked and if one dies, so does the other, how cool would it have been if Beerus woke up and traveled with whis to destroy majin buu?
I wouldn't really say cool because if that actually happened Buu might not have even been resurrected. The other thing is that Beerus could probably wipe out Buu in his sleep, we already saw him demolish the Fat Majin Buu in the Battle of Gods arc.
This is true. It should be Beerus job to destroy Buu in the Buu Arc not the Supreme Kai. But since Beerus is lazy, Supreme Kai had to do something. Hence the reason why Universe 7 was put in low mortal power rank.
@@jpdicey789 Yes It should be Beerus to eliminate Kid Buu since he's the God of Destruction and his job is to destroy anyone who is a threat in the Universe(Kid Buu). But Beerus got lazy.
@@kendivedmakarig215 Freeza was a threat to the Universe too, but Beerus had him doing his dirty work for him instead of deciding to kill him when he should have. Nevermind the fact that Beerus being the one to tell Freeza to wipe out the Saiyans dampens the emotional narrative's momentum when it comes to Freeza being the big bad villain. Yes, Freeza heard of the Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God legends so had a motive of his own for wanting it done. But the fact that Beerus basically instructed him to do it on his behalf seems to make the struggle between Goku and Freeza less personal in terms of any kind of big picture. Plus, it took Freeza 4 months of training to become stronger than a rusty Super Saiyan Gohan, while only in his 1st form! With that kind of growth rate it would take form 4 Freeza a week or 2, maybe only a few days to surpass the Supreme Kai and then if that fight had happened Beerus would be dead. The bigger picture is that Freeza would callously destroy planets for very few acceptable reasons just like Buu did! He would have done so to Earth in DBZ if Future Trunks hadn't stopped him! If the Gods of Destruction are mostly there for the sake of their emotional whims and to be the balancing act of a Universe, what's the point of them if they can just get another dictatorial despot to take over their own job? Freeza could have killed Beerus without needing to fight him with the right information, the only reason the Gods of Destruction can act like spoiled brats is because the order of Angelic attendants and Zeno are far too soft with them when it comes to how they should or shouldn't proceed, unlike the Gods of Creation, the Destroyer Gods don't have any proper guidelines to abide by.
@@jpdicey789 This is true. Beerus should be the one to destroy Frieza not Goku nor Future Trunks. Instead he got lazy and used Frieza to destroy the saiyans which resulted in Universe 7 having a low moral power level and if it wasn't for Goku reminding Zeno of the Tournament of Power, Zeno would have erased Universe 7 immediately. Most of the time, Beerus doesn't really deserve his title. Goku is the one who does the job for him like destroying Frieza and Majin Buu. If anyone deserves the God of Destruction title, it should be Goku.
Shin didn’t even know Beerus really existed, he explains this to the old Kai when Beerus wakes up that he has only heard of him. So one of your theories doesn’t work, great video topic though
@@DJYC21215 I mean you can call someone a coward even if you just met them. In the show and movie Shin didn’t know who Beerus was and I’m pretty sure he even mentions in the manga a similar line
I believe the reason there wasn't widespread galactic chaos with the fall of frieza was the fact that vegeta went and wiped out pockets of frieza's forces for the better part of a year and a half
I'm gonna actually say yes on both accounts, because it's all a work of fiction. Heck, it's not like DBZ isn't accustomed to its share of nonsense, retcons, and asspulls. Any writer could easily make a story up to put the two together
Maybe he was full of it when he said he could beat Frieza, dude is so ill-informed he probably didn't even know Frieza could transform until actually did it on Namek.
Nah because he was powerful enough to scare Piccolo into forfeiting without even fighting him, and this was after years of training / being strong enough to AT LEAST take down first form cell. He could definitely easily take down Frieza.
@@jamaaldagreatest2748 shin is around cell games goku/vegeta in power. Stated in a databook. His plan was logical. Just poorly executed. Since he wasn't fully trained. Didn't know about time ring's.
Given Shin's, the rest of the Kai's history with Buu and Shin's intertwined life force with Beerus, wouldn't it have been in their best interest to take out what would eventually become a threat to their hierarchy unlike Zamasu's motives which had more sinister motivations behind them? I could also see how one might think of a potential plot hole when it comes to dai kaio being absorbed by Buu , but remember that if Buu aborsbs a fighter that they aren't technically dead (not counting who he turns into candy and eats, other wise Dai Kao being dead would mean Beerus dead much earlier and no Dai Kao to summon from within Buu in the Moro Arc)
Hey Mike! I wanted to suggest a discussion topic: Majin spell What higher beings can fall under it? Zamasu, who had a pure goal but hatred in his heart? Gods of destruction, whom destructive by nature, but have no real alliance? And the other part, are gods too powerfull? Specifically gods of destruction and their tier. Is power even a factor? I think it's interesting to discuss! (Babidi took over dabura, and he should be on par with if not stronger then the supreme kais)
Gods have immunity to mind control or corruption shown by demigra failing to control Beerus in xenoverse 1. Anyone can fall for it if they either are weak willed, pure evil or have done a lot of sins (piccolo prior to fusing with kami can be majinzed)
1) Frieza isn't a threat to the universe in the same way Buu was, or how Cell would be. He wants to rule the universe. 2)He likely doesn't destroy that many planets since his empire's business is reselling them. 3) His empire had limited truce with the galactic patrol. (5) God's can't interfere in mortal affairs. Kami didn't stop the Red Ribbon Army did he? (6)He was Beerus' bitch. Dude needed Beerus's permission to blow up planet Vegeta.
Honestly: With how shocked he was by the power of the humans and saiyans so regularly... implying he doesn't actually watch over the universe as much as he should. I wouldn't be surprised if his line about being a thousand times stronger than freeza: was with the assumption that Freeza's 1st form was his only form.
nah, it should be true. He was strong enough to intimidate Piccolo, and even if it was his nature as supreme kai, it was still extremely believable. He's shocked about how a few people on one planet mastered ki and can surpress it so much when not in combat. His statements about Dabura, Yakon and Pui were true afterall.
@@AnonTDegenerate eh, it was likely the godly hierarchy that made Piccolo intimidated. Shin even attributes it to his time as Kami, and Piccolo asks him if he's the grand Kai... Also, Shin implied that he wouldn't beat Dabura period. And that he'd struggle with Pui Pui, and Yakon 1v1... Who lost to base Vegeta, and was gonna lose basly against ssj1 Goku if he didn't just eat the light radiating from it... Like he literally was overloaded by it, and instantly exploded when Goku used ssj2 for an instant so brief only Vegeta noticed it. And there's no real reason to assume Shin knows about final form freeza since freeza lived in his weaker forms. And had done so since he was a child as we learned in DBS Broly and other flashbacks. Or at worst case it really just makes the Android/Cell arc power cliff much larger than we originally thought since Shin would lose to Dabura who was only Cell level badly... Implying he'd even lose to Non-Majin non-meditated Dabura who's way weaker than the one Gohan fought.
@daymianhogue1634 ehh. I mean even if he loses to Dabura, *Pui* is far stronger than final form frieza as well. And he mostly worried about them taking too long or at worst the saiyans being too weak, leading to Buu coming back. He arguably did as good as Gohan fighting Buu, took more hits, and then saved Gohan from Buu's blast despite being badly damaged himself. Even forgetting everything and saying he loses to piccolo, that piccolo fused with Kami and was equal to androids. These androids were destroying Super saiyans all relative to Trunks. Trunks is above mecha frieza who's above full form frieza. So all in all, he's above full form frieza.
I think it's a matter of all the above, the first is unless it's a truly dangerous threat like a Majin Buu that attacks them or does too much damage like say Broley then the gods can't do anything. In terms of Beerus I do think he had a hand almost like Frieza was his agent the same way Goku was King Kai's and Pikkon was his Kai's agent. But ofcourse there is Toriyama didn't think of this character because even when introduced to King Kai he states Nappa and Vegeta may be stronger than him so the only way Goku could win was to become stronger than him and master the spirit bomb and kiokhan so a Supreme Kai may not have even been on the table as Frieza was written to be the strongest force in all the universe.
3:10 but the difference is he only interfere with mortals cuz buu was a threat to the gods as well and killed some of them in the pass so i understand why he stepped in
I have to point out that when you mentioned that the supreme kai doesn't get into mortal affairs, you have to remember that before this point buu had become a godly affair due to having killed many kai's before. Buu appearing on earth just caused the supreme kai to use whatever was closest to help deal with the threat which happened to be the z-fighters
It was mentioned in dragonball super that the Kai's can not get theirselves involved with the mortals they can only be their overseers. Leaving the destroying to the God of destruction.
The fact that Gowasu said is not contradicting with what Kaioshin did in Z. Kaioshin interfered in mortal affairs only because Buu was a threat to all of the Worlds including the other world, Hell, Makai, Kaioshin kai.
I'm pretty sure the gods are supposed to get the universe to learn to develop properly on it's own. Constant interference would make the universe largely dependent on the Supreme Kai. The universe should have minimal dependence on the Gods.
@Laughingstock Media another possible reason why the Supreme kai didn't do anything about frieza is because Shin was new to the job of being the Supreme kai of universe 7 let's not forget that there used to be 5 Supreme kai's in universe 7. The "Grand" Supreme kai was the Supreme kai of universe 7 and the other 4 worked under him ( similar to what we see in universe 10 with Gowasu being the current Supreme kai and zamasu serving and learning under him to eventually succeeded him) But of course buu happened, killing all of them except for Shin who was not only the youngest of the 5 Supreme kai's but also the one with the least knowledge and experience in doing the job. We even see that his knowledge of things is kinda lacking, in battle of God's he also seemed that he didn't know about the existence of Beerus the god of destruction, he also didn't even know who Zeno was when we first see him in dragon ball super. The only reason he became Supreme kai was because all the other Supreme kai's of universe 7 ( who were probably more qualified to do the job ) were already dead. 🤷♂️ not to mention that one of the jobs of the Supreme kai is to not interfere with events happening between mortals UNLESS the universe's existence could be threatened, even though frieza is a villain he isn't exactly a threat to the existence of the universe, he isn't trying to Wipeout all life in the universe he is just a galactic tyrant trying to conquer the universe he can be reasoned with or he can easily be put in his place by Beerus, whis, or any of the Supreme kai's of universe 7. Buu on the other hand has no interest in conquering he just wants to spread chaos he can't be reasoned with and he is strong enough to beat/kill Supreme kai's. He is a universal if not multiversal threat while frieza isn't ( at least not until he achieved his golden form and black ) form.
My big question is, there is supposed to be one Supreme Kai for each universe. Why after Old Kai was locked in Z sword was there then 4 (or 5) Kai? Buu absorbed/killed the others.
If I recall correctly, wasn't Shin the weakest of his colleagues? Least martially trained, but possessing pretty great Ki, right? I wonder what would happen if he gave himself 4 months...
Frieza actually took on Beerus' role as a kind of destroyer without realizing it, and Beerus even got him to do some work for him (destroying planet Vegeta). That would be a good excuse for one.
Because he intended to stopped dbz with the end of the namek saga. Back then he didn’t even thought about the next villain, how could he thought about the supreme kai who takes place 2 arcs ahead?
Because Buu is not easily to destroy. King Cold told Frieza too that he cannot challenge Buu too, even on Golden Frieza form, he would be drained as hell. And besides Shin is a God of Creation counterfeit to Beerus as the God of Destruction to maintain balance in existence. Shin would be unauthorized by Zeno himself, because it's not his job to be a destroyer.
Frieza was a natural part of the universe. It was not the job of the Kaioshin to police the universe. Simply maintain it as best they can. Frieza is not a true danger to the universe as strange as it sounds. He is not going to destroy planets unless he is crossed. Buu was a different story, he was a very real threat to all life.
Before watching the video I’m going to say Cause shin was the east kai he deals with his side of the universe And maybe can only sense what’s happening in his side of the universe That could explain why he couldn’t find other strong guys cause he was only sensing what was happening in his side of the universe
LOL anyone watching the series should already know that answer. For one thing he is a god of creation. He is not to metal with Mortal affairs and especially not to kill anyone just for the sake of it. Frieza only wanted to rule a vast Empire across the Galaxy with his Frieza Force and not really destroy anything just because he could. So there was no reason for the Supreme Kai to just go and kill him off
The Supreme Kai is a creator God who maintains universal order by creating new planets and nurturing said planets like a gardener does its plants. Freeza was akin to an Ant to the Supreme Kai. Nothing to worry about. They killed each other and what not but he was not a threat to universal order. He was simply an Warlord. Buu on the other hand is like a bad blight that destroys all your crops. It's a threat to the Universe itself and it needed direct divine intervention to destroy.
Well so from what I can tell from the make up of the frieza empires goverment. It was mostly autonomous with frieza acting as the leader not threw example or action, but threw force. Most worlds under frieza were free to do as they pleased as long as they payed thier due and compliance was met. Frieza was the equivalent of the or else for the most extreme situations and frieza only took this roll after the destruction of planet vegita. As the saiyans under frieza took care of this in his stead. So with the disappearance of frieza the rebel factions most likely became more agresive, knowing the biggest threat was now gone. This would have made the more brazen and would lead to new and bigger cells popping up. So it's not that friezas empire was in chaos, current issues were only just exasperated in his absence.
Gods can't get involved in Mortal Problems also Beerus kind of hired him. Buu was a different case Buu is the Personification of Evil that Bibidi got control over not created. This was something beyond what mortals could handle so that why they got involved. Now Gods Can get Mortals to fight for them on their behalf which is basically a Loophole in the Rule. Their not getting Involved themselves but letting the Heroes of their own Universe fight for them kind of Like the Pride troopers or those Sailor moon type girls. This is why the other Universe had a High Mortal level because they work closely with their Mortals Unlike Universe 7 although I'm pretty sure the other God Of Destructions dosent destroy their universes planets because there food sucks.
It makes sense why he didn't intervine before goku was born but why didn't he stop frieza on namek when frieza was about to become immortal and become a threat the supreme kai couldn't deal with
He was probably watching the fight at that point Frieza thought the dragonballs were gone when they turned to stone. Knowing this Shin probably thought let's see if this Sayian can kill Frieza for me. This is evidenced by Supreme Kai when he first meets Goku saying something like "your reputation proceeds you " or something like that
@@itachi93674 I'm not just talking about the end I mean when frieza had all seven dragon balls and the ginyu force was beating everyone and Goku couldn't make it in time to stop frieza and shin couldn't have known frieza needed to know the namekian language because shin has very little knowledge about dragon balls
Oh gee, you're right! I'd forgotten about that, and it's not like Beerus had been "napping" since before Shin's time. He'd been awake as recently as the destruction of Planet Vegeta. Shin is worse at is job than I'd thought, since as Supreme Kai he's a god of creation and is supposed to work in conjunction with his universe's God of Destruction. Heck, their jobs are so intertwined that even their lives are supposed to be tied to each other, and yet somehow Shin was entirely oblivious to Beerus. I know all of this is retcon, but still... taken as a whole it makes him look pathetical ignorant.
No point of the video. If you really understand why he let Frieza live was because just like him and beerus they were lazy gods and that’s why they let Frieza buu make universe 7 lower rating when Zeno almost destroyed it.
The kai's are the gods of creation so he was going against the grain even helping in the Buu arc but he had beef with Buu because the killings of his friends lol and wanted revenge. He really didn't have any stakes in taking down frieza
Because the Supreme kai is an overseer of the universe and aren't supposed to intervene in mortal problems it's the same reason why he didn't step in to take out the androids and cell neither of them killed all of his friends the only reason why he went after buu was that it was personal it was revenge
If he did kill frieza, things would have been a lot worse off probably for our heroes. Without him around Goku would have never really been sent to Earth, if they keep that the way they do in the broly movie. Since apparently Earth now isn't a valuable planet for some reason. so earth eventually would have been taken over either by emperor pilaf or by the red ribbon army. Or even piccolo if anybody let him out, and things wouldn't have really turned out any better for the Saiyans, since it's implied that beerus was going to destroy them anyway. He might go around looking for his super Saiyan God, but without Goku becoming a super Saiyan and various other things that led to it I doubt any of them would have figured out how to become one, and he probably would have destroyed them all out of frustration. Whether he would hunt down any survivors I don't know.
Supreme Kai definitely has some improvement in his character begging Grand priest to resurrect Merus.. But over all he just a guy that has no power nor knowledge in the world. He is a side character that doesn't do anything in the arc
Wasn’t it established in Super that the Supreme Kai’s oversee the events off the universe unfolding and almost never intervene? Remember how Gowasu stood idly by as the planet of barbarians spiralled out of control
@DeeCee I think it's dumb that they're focusing so much on the 10 year period between Buu's defeat and the final tournament. I mostly keep up through RUclips. I haven't read nor watched since 2017. I didn't like the anime and my main fault with the manga was the art in comparison to the original, Trunks being lackluster against Zamasu, Roshi vs Jiren, Vegeta losing to Moro, now this Goku-Senzu bean situation.
Literally no reason for him to not intervene. Kibito can instantly teleport them to frieza. Shin kills frieza. Shin gets back to solving the buu problem. It is a massive plothole since super established the idea of mortal levels. Frieza mass murdering planets messed with the mortal levels.
I believe The Supreme Kai had a personal beef with Babidi and Buu for what they did to the other Kais. To all my DBZ Bros and Gals, do not, I repeat do not try to make sense of anything that happens in Super to help explain Z. Super is only a cash grab/fan service. Nothing remotely make sense base on the rules of the universe. But it is what it is.
Because he didn't exist in Toriyama's head yet. Up until the Majin Buu arc, King Kai was deemed to be the most important being the universe, anime filler aside. This may be the boring answer, but it is true. 😓
In immortal's terms, Buu was WAAAAY more of a threat than Frieza. Immortals think in terms of balance and survival of the existence of the universe, not good/evil, as it is secondary. If Frieza conquered the whole galaxy or something, yes, he'll rule it. And things will still live and die and perhaps that can be dealt either by mortals who step up to rebel or the God of Destruction can do his job then if it goes too far. But Buu is just straight-up destroying things for destruction's sake. It is just being of pure destruction, and it is strong enough to destroy Gods of Creation itself AKA the Supreme Kai's. Plus, killing Frieza's probably Beerus' job, and Beerus fucked up supremely (pun intended) because of his laziness and gluttony. Our cute Kaio Shin stepped up from being a young Supreme Kai-in-training of the Eastern Quadrant to being the only Supreme Kai left. Earth of Universe 7 is in the Northern Quadrant. He's not even supposed to be here in the 1st place but he stepped up very quickly. Honestly if Shin existed in real life I'd worship him over any God. He tries. He really tries.
Probably a multitude of reasons. First is, he's just lazy. And he probably believed (during Z) that the kais were among the strongest in the universe, so also a bit of arrogance. And if he weren't this lazy and did his job, he would've found out creatures like the Saiyans were rising up and in the cases of Goku and Vegeta, even outpowering him. The second is, that gods normally don't interfere in mortal affairs. While Frieza is a threat to the universe, he also just wants to rule. He might destroy a planet here and there, but in general, Frieza just conquers planets. Probably the reason Shin didn't bother. But Majin Buu was a destroyer. So he had to step in, or else there wouldn't have been anything left.
I think cause beerus and supreme Kai anr the creation gods so they don’t get too involved unless the enemy actually comes for them like buu. And now Moro.
Buu is HARDLY a mortal enemy, so it makes absolute sense that the Kai's would be involved. Lord Frieza is a mortal. Buu is something else entirely, who attacked and killed the Kai's on their own world. Soooo... yeah, no mystery.💁🏽♂️
Its as simple as this: FRIEZA wanted to Rule everything while Buu wanted to Destroy everything.
He had to step in with Buu. Besides, he could always defeat Namic Frieza but he could not defeat Majin Buu (any version).
But in Super doesn't Supreme Kai imply that Frieza is part of the reason why there are 28 planets with life on them? Implying that he destroyed some planets along the way as well?
@@spritvio639 trust me bro. Never take anything that happens in Super to help explain Z. Super is a fan service series which most likely will get retcon.
@@gohanson27 We can only hope.
@@gohanson27 the movie was confirmed as canon by toriyama himself so idk about that also no it isnt fan service well the manga isnt anyways it has fanservice in it because all animes do
It's also because Majin Buu is basically immortal, regardless of what freeza did he was eventually going to die. He couldn't have destroyed the entire universe back in the old days even if he wanted to cuz he would have died before he did it. Majin Buu though is basically immortal because he's millions of years old so he really is a threat to the entire universe.
Bc... hes not a God of Destruction and it isnt his job. He only went after buu for personal reasons
kais are supposted to help races grow, he had to find a strong mortal to help him stop babidi because he most likely isn't allowed to kill somebody kinda like angels, I believe that this was the only thing he could've done. If Goku was stronger before fighting Frieza while he was still on earth Supreme Kai would've probably sensed him and talked to him about destroying Frieza and his army
@@shtreberka3642 interesting theory
What about kid buu
@@pikablu_25 thanks :)
@@theallenbros0446 I am guessing that Kais are allowed to fight if the universe is at cost, frieza was just a tyrant who had nothing better to do but Buu would most likely never stop destroying stuff until there's nothing left to destroy
Beerus had a relationship with the Frieza Force
Hey
He was stronger than Namek Saga Frieza
Shin was more then powerful to kill Frieza.. the Spanish Guide books stated that Shin is comparable to Cell game Super Saiyan 1 Goku
What? He said he could had one shoted frieza and beerus couldn’t do nothing to supreme kai
He WAS strong enough
Yeah, I think it was just no reason to intervene. Frieza was just stablishing an empire and selling planets, rarely destroying them, as far as he was concerned those were just mortal affairs that didn't endanger the universe. He's a Supreme Kai, not a superhero.
Yeah but the frieza force was killing that planet's native population. How many billions or trillions of people were killed so their planets could be sold?
@@codyandrewjacksonavant That's still a bad thing, but Kais don't have to stop every death or every bad thing from happened, those are still mortal affairs they're not supposed to interfere with, even if it's not the morally good thing to do.
@@codyandrewjacksonavant What even is a mortal life in the eyes of a supreme Kai? For every last person Frieza's army killed, that persons soul traveled to the afterlife eventually to be reincarnated elsewhere in the universe. From the perspective of an immortal god nothing was being lost, just the cycle of life, death, and rebirth playing out as intended.
@@matti.8465 Yes. every mortal is not Buu, besides mortals goes to another life, heaven or hell, so they continue to exist, anyways.
Shin would've stopped frieza after babadi was dealt with. Stop babadi and no dabura team up and no possible frieza possession. Babadi was a greater threat.
Frieza's treachery was not going unnoticed.
Besides the whole thing of ''Toriyama had no plans for the Supreme Kai when making the Frieza Saga'' or ''He is a useless god'', if I had to give an in-universe answer... The Frieza Clan probably didn't destroyed as many planets as Majin Buu, establishing a tyrannical, yet ''civilized'' empire across space.
and also Frieza kinda worked for Beerus so that might also have helped
@@villekuronen6242 not originally...back in Frieza saga there was no Supreme kai or even grand kai..or whis or beerus
true. No kais ever stepped in to help with cell or the androids either.
Supreme Kai only really stepped in with Buu since Beerus wasn't around. Beerus bitterly acknowledged frieza.
I've always gotten the impression that the kais and gods non-interference rule resulted from some past event where they did once intervene in mortal affairs quite often and it resulted in rebellion because the mortals thought they were being robbed of self-determination. They're supposed to just let mortal do their thing, only things like Buu need to be stopped. If they went around stomping out every wannabe ruler and tyrant instead of letting mortals deal with their own problems, they'd be heroes for awhile, but eventually discontent would grow.
That could also be a neat explanation for the radical cultural differences between the Saiyans of Universe 6 and 7. Perhaps the gods of 6 were always more hands off, which gave the Saiyans opportunities to fight against tyrants, giving them their positive reputation, while in 7 perhaps the gods were excessively controlling, smacking down any would-be tyrants before most mortals even hear about them. This zero tolerance policy would not only deprive the Universe 7 Saiyans of strong opponents to fight, but would inevitably force a conflict between the gods and the Saiyans, since Saiyans will fight anything, regardless of its moral alignment. This would also explain the existence of the Super Saiyan God form, and possibly explain why Bearus told Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta. I'm also leaning toward the old gods having temperaments similar to Zamasu, since the the god transformation requires several Saiyans of "pure heart" combining their power, suggesting that they were indeed rebelling against something they thought was evil.
@@Sintra4 You make some very good points there. I'll also add that Beerus himself, while lacking anything like a Zamasu complex, did still have a habit of killing anyone who was even slightly disrespectful of him, and tyrants who are full of themselves would almost certainly try to exercise authority over him, only realizing their error when its too late to take it back. Frieza in that regard at least had the warning from his much more level-headed father not to screw with Beerus and probably was a lot more polite and diplomatic with the destroyer, hence narrowly avoiding erasure for awhile, though Beerus was still considering erasing him.
It could be just be that toriyama didn't plan for a supreme kai to even be a thing. I haven't really researched into this so just take this with a grain of salt.
This is the only right answer
Ding ding ding !!!
I kinda forgot but should know the answer. Realistically he can’t intervene in human affairs which is why he didn’t bother Frieza and he did with buu because he would’ve threatened life itself if he wasn’t stopped
True but that’s boring
@PMDP S2806 for real
Omg, Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo! From Cinderella, Bibbidi had a son (or clone) named Bobbidi and they had Boo. Never made that connection before! Lol
Yh
And now we got Daima.
Abura and his son Dabrua..
Abura ca Dabura
At least Shin didn't give Buu a senzu bean...
Or let him become perfect
Ah yes the danm same thing.
Giving cell a senzu was the best move at the time
The website said that Shin could easily kill Frieza. Until Resurrection of F.
The role of the supreme kai was to simply observe. He wasn't even supposed to do what he was already doing in the Buu Arc.
But just imagine an alternate version of events where Beerus could sense that the supreme kai was being attacked by Buu. Due to the fact that the two are linked and if one dies, so does the other, how cool would it have been if Beerus woke up and traveled with whis to destroy majin buu?
I wouldn't really say cool because if that actually happened Buu might not have even been resurrected. The other thing is that Beerus could probably wipe out Buu in his sleep, we already saw him demolish the Fat Majin Buu in the Battle of Gods arc.
This is true. It should be Beerus job to destroy Buu in the Buu Arc not the Supreme Kai. But since Beerus is lazy, Supreme Kai had to do something. Hence the reason why Universe 7 was put in low mortal power rank.
@@jpdicey789 Yes It should be Beerus to eliminate Kid Buu since he's the God of Destruction and his job is to destroy anyone who is a threat in the Universe(Kid Buu). But Beerus got lazy.
@@kendivedmakarig215 Freeza was a threat to the Universe too, but Beerus had him doing his dirty work for him instead of deciding to kill him when he should have. Nevermind the fact that Beerus being the one to tell Freeza to wipe out the Saiyans dampens the emotional narrative's momentum when it comes to Freeza being the big bad villain.
Yes, Freeza heard of the Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God legends so had a motive of his own for wanting it done. But the fact that Beerus basically instructed him to do it on his behalf seems to make the struggle between Goku and Freeza less personal in terms of any kind of big picture.
Plus, it took Freeza 4 months of training to become stronger than a rusty Super Saiyan Gohan, while only in his 1st form! With that kind of growth rate it would take form 4 Freeza a week or 2, maybe only a few days to surpass the Supreme Kai and then if that fight had happened Beerus would be dead.
The bigger picture is that Freeza would callously destroy planets for very few acceptable reasons just like Buu did! He would have done so to Earth in DBZ if Future Trunks hadn't stopped him! If the Gods of Destruction are mostly there for the sake of their emotional whims and to be the balancing act of a Universe, what's the point of them if they can just get another dictatorial despot to take over their own job?
Freeza could have killed Beerus without needing to fight him with the right information, the only reason the Gods of Destruction can act like spoiled brats is because the order of Angelic attendants and Zeno are far too soft with them when it comes to how they should or shouldn't proceed, unlike the Gods of Creation, the Destroyer Gods don't have any proper guidelines to abide by.
@@jpdicey789 This is true. Beerus should be the one to destroy Frieza not Goku nor Future Trunks. Instead he got lazy and used Frieza to destroy the saiyans which resulted in Universe 7 having a low moral power level and if it wasn't for Goku reminding Zeno of the Tournament of Power, Zeno would have erased Universe 7 immediately. Most of the time, Beerus doesn't really deserve his title. Goku is the one who does the job for him like destroying Frieza and Majin Buu. If anyone deserves the God of Destruction title, it should be Goku.
probably had a better reason than goku giving moro a senzu bean 😂😂
Damnit dragon ball super
Most likely
Lets just pretend that never happened
@@mikechrist9699
Yeah I agree let’s just erase it from our memory
I feel like all the fights that Goku been through, finally took its toll on his brain.
Shin didn’t even know Beerus really existed, he explains this to the old Kai when Beerus wakes up that he has only heard of him. So one of your theories doesn’t work, great video topic though
But in the Manga Beerus calls Shin a coward, implying that he at least knew of him.
@@DJYC21215 I mean you can call someone a coward even if you just met them. In the show and movie Shin didn’t know who Beerus was and I’m pretty sure he even mentions in the manga a similar line
I believe the reason there wasn't widespread galactic chaos with the fall of frieza was the fact that vegeta went and wiped out pockets of frieza's forces for the better part of a year and a half
Do: “Could Wrath of the dragon happen in the super timeline” and if future trunks could have gotten his sword from tapion
To answer your question very simply : No.
Ya, quick answer is no on both. Long answer is no on both.
I'm gonna actually say yes on both accounts, because it's all a work of fiction. Heck, it's not like DBZ isn't accustomed to its share of nonsense, retcons, and asspulls.
Any writer could easily make a story up to put the two together
Maybe he was full of it when he said he could beat Frieza, dude is so ill-informed he probably didn't even know Frieza could transform until actually did it on Namek.
Nah because he was powerful enough to scare Piccolo into forfeiting without even fighting him, and this was after years of training / being strong enough to AT LEAST take down first form cell. He could definitely easily take down Frieza.
Kibito kai his fusion could definitely beat frieza
@Saed Hattan @ Dude the supreme kai is literally stated stronger than buu saga piccollo but he's weaker than freeza?
@Saed Hattan Picollo literally was too scared to fight him and admitted he’d lose
@@jamaaldagreatest2748 shin is around cell games goku/vegeta in power. Stated in a databook.
His plan was logical. Just poorly executed. Since he wasn't fully trained. Didn't know about time ring's.
Great Video my guy!!
Given Shin's, the rest of the Kai's history with Buu and Shin's intertwined life force with Beerus, wouldn't it have been in their best interest to take out what would eventually become a threat to their hierarchy unlike Zamasu's motives which had more sinister motivations behind them?
I could also see how one might think of a potential plot hole when it comes to dai kaio being absorbed by Buu , but remember that if Buu aborsbs a fighter that they aren't technically dead (not counting who he turns into candy and eats, other wise Dai Kao being dead would mean Beerus dead much earlier and no Dai Kao to summon from within Buu in the Moro Arc)
Hey Mike!
I wanted to suggest a discussion topic:
Majin spell
What higher beings can fall under it?
Zamasu, who had a pure goal but hatred in his heart?
Gods of destruction, whom destructive by nature, but have no real alliance?
And the other part,
are gods too powerfull? Specifically gods of destruction and their tier.
Is power even a factor?
I think it's interesting to discuss! (Babidi took over dabura, and he should be on par with if not stronger then the supreme kais)
Gods have immunity to mind control or corruption shown by demigra failing to control Beerus in xenoverse 1. Anyone can fall for it if they either are weak willed, pure evil or have done a lot of sins (piccolo prior to fusing with kami can be majinzed)
@@tornadoman5103 it wasn't mentioned to be an immunity anywhere. Also, non-canon.
It may have been beerus being too powerful or having a strong mind
1) Frieza isn't a threat to the universe in the same way Buu was, or how Cell would be. He wants to rule the universe.
2)He likely doesn't destroy that many planets since his empire's business is reselling them.
3) His empire had limited truce with the galactic patrol. (5) God's can't interfere in mortal affairs. Kami didn't stop the Red Ribbon Army did he? (6)He was Beerus' bitch. Dude needed Beerus's permission to blow up planet Vegeta.
Honestly: With how shocked he was by the power of the humans and saiyans so regularly... implying he doesn't actually watch over the universe as much as he should.
I wouldn't be surprised if his line about being a thousand times stronger than freeza: was with the assumption that Freeza's 1st form was his only form.
nah, it should be true. He was strong enough to intimidate Piccolo, and even if it was his nature as supreme kai, it was still extremely believable.
He's shocked about how a few people on one planet mastered ki and can surpress it so much when not in combat.
His statements about Dabura, Yakon and Pui were true afterall.
@@AnonTDegenerate eh, it was likely the godly hierarchy that made Piccolo intimidated. Shin even attributes it to his time as Kami, and Piccolo asks him if he's the grand Kai...
Also, Shin implied that he wouldn't beat Dabura period. And that he'd struggle with Pui Pui, and Yakon 1v1... Who lost to base Vegeta, and was gonna lose basly against ssj1 Goku if he didn't just eat the light radiating from it... Like he literally was overloaded by it, and instantly exploded when Goku used ssj2 for an instant so brief only Vegeta noticed it.
And there's no real reason to assume Shin knows about final form freeza since freeza lived in his weaker forms. And had done so since he was a child as we learned in DBS Broly and other flashbacks.
Or at worst case it really just makes the Android/Cell arc power cliff much larger than we originally thought since Shin would lose to Dabura who was only Cell level badly... Implying he'd even lose to Non-Majin non-meditated Dabura who's way weaker than the one Gohan fought.
@daymianhogue1634 ehh.
I mean even if he loses to Dabura, *Pui* is far stronger than final form frieza as well.
And he mostly worried about them taking too long or at worst the saiyans being too weak, leading to Buu coming back.
He arguably did as good as Gohan fighting Buu, took more hits, and then saved Gohan from Buu's blast despite being badly damaged himself.
Even forgetting everything and saying he loses to piccolo, that piccolo fused with Kami and was equal to androids. These androids were destroying Super saiyans all relative to Trunks.
Trunks is above mecha frieza who's above full form frieza.
So all in all, he's above full form frieza.
Well the simple answer out of universe is supreme Kai wasn’t thought of during the frieza saga but you can make up your own head canon lol.
You should make a video talking about friezas relationship to running the galaxy and how he actually might have kept it in order
I think it's a matter of all the above, the first is unless it's a truly dangerous threat like a Majin Buu that attacks them or does too much damage like say Broley then the gods can't do anything. In terms of Beerus I do think he had a hand almost like Frieza was his agent the same way Goku was King Kai's and Pikkon was his Kai's agent. But ofcourse there is Toriyama didn't think of this character because even when introduced to King Kai he states Nappa and Vegeta may be stronger than him so the only way Goku could win was to become stronger than him and master the spirit bomb and kiokhan so a Supreme Kai may not have even been on the table as Frieza was written to be the strongest force in all the universe.
3:10 but the difference is he only interfere with mortals cuz buu was a threat to the gods as well and killed some of them in the pass so i understand why he stepped in
I have to point out that when you mentioned that the supreme kai doesn't get into mortal affairs, you have to remember that before this point buu had become a godly affair due to having killed many kai's before. Buu appearing on earth just caused the supreme kai to use whatever was closest to help deal with the threat which happened to be the z-fighters
It was mentioned in dragonball super that the Kai's can not get theirselves involved with the mortals they can only be their overseers. Leaving the destroying to the God of destruction.
The fact that Gowasu said is not contradicting with what Kaioshin did in Z. Kaioshin interfered in mortal affairs only because Buu was a threat to all of the Worlds including the other world, Hell, Makai, Kaioshin kai.
I'm pretty sure the gods are supposed to get the universe to learn to develop properly on it's own. Constant interference would make the universe largely dependent on the Supreme Kai. The universe should have minimal dependence on the Gods.
@Laughingstock Media another possible reason why the Supreme kai didn't do anything about frieza is because Shin was new to the job of being the Supreme kai of universe 7 let's not forget that there used to be 5 Supreme kai's in universe 7. The "Grand" Supreme kai was the Supreme kai of universe 7 and the other 4 worked under him ( similar to what we see in universe 10 with Gowasu being the current Supreme kai and zamasu serving and learning under him to eventually succeeded him) But of course buu happened, killing all of them except for Shin who was not only the youngest of the 5 Supreme kai's but also the one with the least knowledge and experience in doing the job. We even see that his knowledge of things is kinda lacking, in battle of God's he also seemed that he didn't know about the existence of Beerus the god of destruction, he also didn't even know who Zeno was when we first see him in dragon ball super. The only reason he became Supreme kai was because all the other Supreme kai's of universe 7 ( who were probably more qualified to do the job ) were already dead. 🤷♂️ not to mention that one of the jobs of the Supreme kai is to not interfere with events happening between mortals UNLESS the universe's existence could be threatened, even though frieza is a villain he isn't exactly a threat to the existence of the universe, he isn't trying to Wipeout all life in the universe he is just a galactic tyrant trying to conquer the universe he can be reasoned with or he can easily be put in his place by Beerus, whis, or any of the Supreme kai's of universe 7. Buu on the other hand has no interest in conquering he just wants to spread chaos he can't be reasoned with and he is strong enough to beat/kill Supreme kai's. He is a universal if not multiversal threat while frieza isn't ( at least not until he achieved his golden form and black ) form.
@2:14... funny how this is all playing out in the manga now lol
0.58, maybe kaioshin was talking about frieza First Form, He was so oninformed of everything IT wouldnt suprize me
My big question is, there is supposed to be one Supreme Kai for each universe. Why after Old Kai was locked in Z sword was there then 4 (or 5) Kai? Buu absorbed/killed the others.
If I recall correctly, wasn't Shin the weakest of his colleagues? Least martially trained, but possessing pretty great Ki, right?
I wonder what would happen if he gave himself 4 months...
The Supreme Kai feared that Grand Zeno would erase him.
Frieza actually took on Beerus' role as a kind of destroyer without realizing it, and Beerus even got him to do some work for him (destroying planet Vegeta). That would be a good excuse for one.
Because he intended to stopped dbz with the end of the namek saga. Back then he didn’t even thought about the next villain, how could he thought about the supreme kai who takes place 2 arcs ahead?
Back when supreme Kai looks sinister and was actually a combatant
technically shin didnt contradict kais not getting involved with mortals affairs because buu has god ki. he had some reason to get involved
I always wondered this can't wait to hear another person take.
Good point
Because Buu is not easily to destroy. King Cold told Frieza too that he cannot challenge Buu too, even on Golden Frieza form, he would be drained as hell. And besides Shin is a God of Creation counterfeit to Beerus as the God of Destruction to maintain balance in existence.
Shin would be unauthorized by Zeno himself, because it's not his job to be a destroyer.
Frieza was a natural part of the universe. It was not the job of the Kaioshin to police the universe. Simply maintain it as best they can.
Frieza is not a true danger to the universe as strange as it sounds. He is not going to destroy planets unless he is crossed.
Buu was a different story, he was a very real threat to all life.
It's because he didn't exist at the time
Before watching the video I’m going to say
Cause shin was the east kai he deals with his side of the universe
And maybe can only sense what’s happening in his side of the universe
That could explain why he couldn’t find other strong guys cause he was only sensing what was happening in his side of the universe
because he existed since buu saga lol
You gave the most likely answer Toriyama didn't think about him yet looolll
LOL anyone watching the series should already know that answer. For one thing he is a god of creation. He is not to metal with Mortal affairs and especially not to kill anyone just for the sake of it. Frieza only wanted to rule a vast Empire across the Galaxy with his Frieza Force and not really destroy anything just because he could. So there was no reason for the Supreme Kai to just go and kill him off
The Supreme Kai is a creator God who maintains universal order by creating new planets and nurturing said planets like a gardener does its plants. Freeza was akin to an Ant to the Supreme Kai. Nothing to worry about. They killed each other and what not but he was not a threat to universal order. He was simply an Warlord. Buu on the other hand is like a bad blight that destroys all your crops. It's a threat to the Universe itself and it needed direct divine intervention to destroy.
Well so from what I can tell from the make up of the frieza empires goverment. It was mostly autonomous with frieza acting as the leader not threw example or action, but threw force. Most worlds under frieza were free to do as they pleased as long as they payed thier due and compliance was met. Frieza was the equivalent of the or else for the most extreme situations and frieza only took this roll after the destruction of planet vegita. As the saiyans under frieza took care of this in his stead. So with the disappearance of frieza the rebel factions most likely became more agresive, knowing the biggest threat was now gone. This would have made the more brazen and would lead to new and bigger cells popping up. So it's not that friezas empire was in chaos, current issues were only just exasperated in his absence.
Gods can't get involved in Mortal Problems also Beerus kind of hired him. Buu was a different case Buu is the Personification of Evil that Bibidi got control over not created. This was something beyond what mortals could handle so that why they got involved. Now Gods Can get Mortals to fight for them on their behalf which is basically a Loophole in the Rule. Their not getting Involved themselves but letting the Heroes of their own Universe fight for them kind of Like the Pride troopers or those Sailor moon type girls. This is why the other Universe had a High Mortal level because they work closely with their Mortals Unlike Universe 7 although I'm pretty sure the other God Of Destructions dosent destroy their universes planets because there food sucks.
i kinda think that Champa might destroy planets that dont have good food
It makes sense why he didn't intervine before goku was born but why didn't he stop frieza on namek when frieza was about to become immortal and become a threat the supreme kai couldn't deal with
He was probably watching the fight at that point Frieza thought the dragonballs were gone when they turned to stone.
Knowing this Shin probably thought let's see if this Sayian can kill Frieza for me.
This is evidenced by Supreme Kai when he first meets Goku saying something like "your reputation proceeds you " or something like that
@@itachi93674 I'm not just talking about the end I mean when frieza had all seven dragon balls and the ginyu force was beating everyone and Goku couldn't make it in time to stop frieza and shin couldn't have known frieza needed to know the namekian language because shin has very little knowledge about dragon balls
Maybe similar to beerus he is also Lazy
Why did King Vegeta order Frieza to destroy planet Vegeta?
It was shown in Super that Shin was unaware of Beerus’s existence until they met.
Oh gee, you're right! I'd forgotten about that, and it's not like Beerus had been "napping" since before Shin's time. He'd been awake as recently as the destruction of Planet Vegeta. Shin is worse at is job than I'd thought, since as Supreme Kai he's a god of creation and is supposed to work in conjunction with his universe's God of Destruction.
Heck, their jobs are so intertwined that even their lives are supposed to be tied to each other, and yet somehow Shin was entirely oblivious to Beerus. I know all of this is retcon, but still... taken as a whole it makes him look pathetical ignorant.
@Saed Hattan Plot hole?! I guess, there is no way that Supreme Kai didn't knew about Beerus earlier, I mean wtf??
because he wasn't created until the Buu saga
No point of the video. If you really understand why he let Frieza live was because just like him and beerus they were lazy gods and that’s why they let Frieza buu make universe 7 lower rating when Zeno almost destroyed it.
Did Shin even know about Beerus? I could have sworn he asked Old Kai who he was.
The kai's are the gods of creation so he was going against the grain even helping in the Buu arc but he had beef with Buu because the killings of his friends lol and wanted revenge. He really didn't have any stakes in taking down frieza
Because the Supreme kai is an overseer of the universe and aren't supposed to intervene in mortal problems it's the same reason why he didn't step in to take out the androids and cell neither of them killed all of his friends the only reason why he went after buu was that it was personal it was revenge
I always assumed Beerus just told him not too
I hate that superiority smirk Supreme Kai had. I loved the beating he took from Buu because of it. That humble pie though 💁🏻😄
If he did kill frieza, things would have been a lot worse off probably for our heroes. Without him around Goku would have never really been sent to Earth, if they keep that the way they do in the broly movie. Since apparently Earth now isn't a valuable planet for some reason.
so earth eventually would have been taken over either by emperor pilaf or by the red ribbon army. Or even piccolo if anybody let him out, and things wouldn't have really turned out any better for the Saiyans, since it's implied that beerus was going to destroy them anyway. He might go around looking for his super Saiyan God, but without Goku becoming a super Saiyan and various other things that led to it I doubt any of them would have figured out how to become one, and he probably would have destroyed them all out of frustration. Whether he would hunt down any survivors I don't know.
Do you think they should do an Arc where Goku and Vegeta finds out that Beerushad a hand to play in their homeworld being destroyed?
Beerus tells vegeta in the newest manga while training to use destruction powers
I try to pretend DB Super doesnt exsist or that it was a weird dream Goku had when he had the heart virus.
Super is nothing but a money maker now for little kids
Supreme Kai definitely has some improvement in his character begging Grand priest to resurrect Merus.. But over all he just a guy that has no power nor knowledge in the world. He is a side character that doesn't do anything in the arc
Wasn’t it established in Super that the Supreme Kai’s oversee the events off the universe unfolding and almost never intervene? Remember how Gowasu stood idly by as the planet of barbarians spiralled out of control
He was so smug when he first showed up. All that went out the window quickly. Never to be seen again.
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@DeeCee I think it's dumb that they're focusing so much on the 10 year period between Buu's defeat and the final tournament. I mostly keep up through RUclips. I haven't read nor watched since 2017.
I didn't like the anime and my main fault with the manga was the art in comparison to the original, Trunks being lackluster against Zamasu, Roshi vs Jiren, Vegeta losing to Moro, now this Goku-Senzu bean situation.
The Kai's openly state they want to let mortals be
So does this mean that the grandkids Canon and that people like the other world tournament might be Canon? That'll make all the pikon fans happy.
Literally no reason for him to not intervene. Kibito can instantly teleport them to frieza. Shin kills frieza. Shin gets back to solving the buu problem.
It is a massive plothole since super established the idea of mortal levels. Frieza mass murdering planets messed with the mortal levels.
Man they hyped up supreme kai like crazy. Then turned him into a queef.
Same reason why Moro raged war on the Kais but Shin and Elder Kai are no where to be seen
And this video explains pretty much why I dislike Toriyama's writing style.
Because Majin Buu was killing kais like taking candy from a baby.
And
He’s a bitch. Frieza could of trained for 24 hours and game over.
I feel like this topic should be common sense if u watch all of dbz from start to finish 🤷♂️
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I believe The Supreme Kai had a personal beef with Babidi and Buu for what they did to the other Kais. To all my DBZ Bros and Gals, do not, I repeat do not try to make sense of anything that happens in Super to help explain Z. Super is only a cash grab/fan service. Nothing remotely make sense base on the rules of the universe. But it is what it is.
Because he didn't exist in Toriyama's head yet. Up until the Majin Buu arc, King Kai was deemed to be the most important being the universe, anime filler aside. This may be the boring answer, but it is true. 😓
Destroying guys like frieza and buu is up to beerus.
Beerus definitely did not tell shin that he would destroy frieza. Shin didn't know who beerus was before he woke up.
I think the reason Supreme Kai was worried is because of Majin Buus ability to put himself back together😀.
@2:21 what is that song
In immortal's terms, Buu was WAAAAY more of a threat than Frieza. Immortals think in terms of balance and survival of the existence of the universe, not good/evil, as it is secondary. If Frieza conquered the whole galaxy or something, yes, he'll rule it. And things will still live and die and perhaps that can be dealt either by mortals who step up to rebel or the God of Destruction can do his job then if it goes too far. But Buu is just straight-up destroying things for destruction's sake. It is just being of pure destruction, and it is strong enough to destroy Gods of Creation itself AKA the Supreme Kai's.
Plus, killing Frieza's probably Beerus' job, and Beerus fucked up supremely (pun intended) because of his laziness and gluttony. Our cute Kaio Shin stepped up from being a young Supreme Kai-in-training of the Eastern Quadrant to being the only Supreme Kai left. Earth of Universe 7 is in the Northern Quadrant. He's not even supposed to be here in the 1st place but he stepped up very quickly. Honestly if Shin existed in real life I'd worship him over any God. He tries. He really tries.
Long story short? He was not created by toriyama yet
Because he wasn’t written or thought up yet by Akira Toriyama. It’s as simple as that 😂😂
Probably a multitude of reasons. First is, he's just lazy. And he probably believed (during Z) that the kais were among the strongest in the universe, so also a bit of arrogance. And if he weren't this lazy and did his job, he would've found out creatures like the Saiyans were rising up and in the cases of Goku and Vegeta, even outpowering him.
The second is, that gods normally don't interfere in mortal affairs. While Frieza is a threat to the universe, he also just wants to rule. He might destroy a planet here and there, but in general, Frieza just conquers planets. Probably the reason Shin didn't bother. But Majin Buu was a destroyer. So he had to step in, or else there wouldn't have been anything left.
He could beat final form frieza whenever he wanted to. He didn't see frieza has a threat.
I think cause beerus and supreme Kai anr the creation gods so they don’t get too involved unless the enemy actually comes for them like buu. And now Moro.
He wasn’t thought of before the Namak saga.
Because Shin is as lazy as Beerus
Talk about guldo and hit comparison.
He was probably too busy fighting babidi
Buu is HARDLY a mortal enemy, so it makes absolute sense that the Kai's would be involved. Lord Frieza is a mortal. Buu is something else entirely, who attacked and killed the Kai's on their own world. Soooo... yeah, no mystery.💁🏽♂️
Isn't he like the god of creating in that universe he created everything. And on top of that I'm pretty sure that means he created frieza race
Man i hope they give kaioshin some proper training and becomes as strong as zamasu
Frieza was a nessacery evil.. before frieza the z fighters had no idea that power of that magnitude was even possible...
Simple
Plot convenience
Okay, they should fix and improve the supreme Kai of universe 7.
He didn't even know who frieza was.
He said he knew who frieza was .
Most dragon ball sagas would be short af if the saiyans put away their pride and just destroyed the enemies.