Read the article! gamersnexus.net/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-2600x-1600-af-2024-revisit-vs-5800x3d-7800x3d-more-cpu-benchmarks The 1600 AF was amazing and seems like something that won't happen again. But we can hope! Which CPUs should be next? We already have the 8600K & 8700K on the list after the last one. How about after that? Watch our recent R7 2700 revisit: ruclips.net/video/cKgDrW5H5go/видео.html
I went from an original 1600 to a 5600 and it was great to keep the same motherboard. Only reason I'm tempted to upgrade my computer again is because AM4 has also seemed to be the winner when it comes to consumer hardware supporting ECC UDIMMs.
@@dikbozo should wait till about 2026, if you can, as most people have a suspicion that they won't actually support AM5 beyond that point, nowhere near as long as AM4.
This is what i needed. i just upgraded a PC from a 3700X to a 5600X3D and i like seeing just much AM4 has been the GOAT. sad that it probably won’t happen again at least not in same way.
2600 was a great value 6 core cpu at the time and offered an excellent upgrade path to a 5800X3D, a simple drop in upgrade that can double your fps without much hassle.
A day or more fiddling with bios for stability and uv oc It'd take a while but still it's phenomenal that huge of a upgrade is practically plug and play
I bought a 2600, mobo and ram 3 years ago to upgrade from phenom... Wanna upgrade but living in Ireland is expensive, would like a 5700x but it's upwards from 170 euro if I can get something used/damaged on Amazon from the uk, otherwise it's 210 euro to buy locally. For casual gaming I was hoping for under 150 euro by now, what with am5 board out etc and zen 5 coming
@@EmilePesky-n1v Have you considered the 5600 non-x? It's around 130 GBP in the UK new, I have one, it's within hairsplitting distance of the 5700x for gaming purposes, is easy on the power draw / thermals, even still comes with a free cooler unlike the more expensive ones. Hardware Unboxed did a pretty good video comparing it to the 5700X last year, there was a difference in a marginal few cases but in most the difference was only in the difference of clock frequency between the two (around 5%), which was definitely not worth paying basically double IMO, or risking used parts and still paying a markup. They did another video showing that multitasking during gaming also shows trivial difference between the two as well. This video by Gamers' Nexus even shows how little the difference in core count between the 2600 & 2700X has meant in the long run for gaming. Games are far more constrained by latency than throughput, which is why 3D V-cache makes such a difference. Which is why it's so irritating that AMD don't make the 5600X3D widely available.
I spent 120 euros leaving my 1600 af (it was my best option at that time), for the 5600 and it AMAZES me that I spent the same amount for two SO DIFFERENT CPUS. Loving my upgrade :D
Loved my 1600AF and I got mine for $85. Replaced it with a 5700X this year as a drop in upgrade. Ill head into 2024 with a 4 year old system that I have spend a whopping $270 on for CPUs - $85 + $175. Couldn't be happier.
Same here, scored one sealed from second hand market for 150€ to replace my Ryzen 3600 that i got in 2020. If nothing groundbreaking happens in the next years, i think this platform will satisfy me until 2030, which is crazy to me.
i just could not understand why gamers nexus would ALWAYS leave out 5700x in their benchmarks when it is priced so close to the 5600x with its power consumption of 5600x and performance similar to 5800x. With the introduction of 5700x by AMD, nobody should be buying 5600x or 5800x anymore in my opinion!
There are so many bad stuff bumped up by The Algorithm™ that the good stuff often goes unnoticed. Glad to have people like GN and HW delivering objective and quality stuff.
Not gonna lie I'd love to see performance and efficiency testing for the old FX chips like the 8350 and the 6300. I'd imagine the efficiency gap between them would be staggering and a good show of how far AMD's CPU teams have come
The 5800X3D is looking like one of the best CPU's of all time. I'm very happy with my x470 + 5800X3D. I might build a whole new PC in late 2024/2025. 😊
If we still can buy pricey computer hardware, as it now goes it looks that most people cannot buy pricey stuff anymore in 2025 and up, maybe even halfway 2024. Yes the future looks very bleek.
I can see them being in demand on the used market for 6-8 years if not longer. Because not only are they still near the top in performance, but they use so little power compared to everything else. While there are still 8 core bulldozers out there being used, its not really in demand because they use so much power and are difficult to maintain because of it. Nobody will rush to throw out a system that uses 30-40W while running games.
@@telilala3891They were good, but a lot of their longevity was because Intel basically didn't do anything interesting for the next 8 years. 5800X3D is kind of the opposite, it's a final unexpected victory for the platform which forced the market to move forward in the first place.
Still have my 1600AF OC'd to 4.1ghz paired with some samsung c die 16GB . Its been through many different variations through the years , it has been my homelab setup. I literally purchased this CPU right after Gamers Nexus's original review, for the MSRP. I told all my friends to grab one too! LOL Really appreciate the content especially doing a revisit in 2023. Thank you GN team! Love and appreciate you all!
4.1 damn. I had absolutely abysmal silicon lottery and couldn't get the sucker stable at all even at 3.9 GHz. Also it didn't like anything above 3200MT/s RAM
I love these videos where you take a look at, or even just include, the older products. I've just ordered an upgrade including a 7800X3D and 7900XTX which will be a HUGE jump from my current 1600X and 1070. Hopefully I can keep this new hardware also running for many years before needing an upgrade again.
I give it 5 years, you'll basically get to be running console settings at true 4K 60FPS while consoles will be upscaling (and probably FSR 3-ing) their way to a pretty smudgy 1440p by the end of this gen cycle. Your card vs the 6700XT is basically the difference you can expect, and CPU limits aren't gonna be a thing in most games anyway. An Xbox refresh in 2026 will probably see you wanting to upgrade that GPU sooner though.
I recently went 5950X + 6700XT to 7950X3D + XTX, but stayed on 1440p, and I can assure you you're going to get flung out of your gaming chair if you don't hold on!
I had a 1600x and a 1070 but a powerspike killed my motherboard. I ordered a 7800x3d online for 330$ was hoping to get a 7900xt or xtx but the prices are still a bit absurd for me. I got a 16gb a770 for 200$ I'm mainly on Linux so I'm not affected by the bad dx9 and 10 performance, hopefully the Rx 8000 series will have a more reasonable price next year and I'll upgrade to that and throw the Intel card in to my jellyfin server.
@@portman8909 Sup bro, since you changed some components there I wanna ask for your opinion, I currently have an i3 10100f and dont know if to go with a beastly am4 with 5800x3d or just get a mid range am5 but have those ugly ram latency of the ddr6 but be able to upgrade in the future
@@coolamericano well duh. The X3D chips were advertised for gaming. Rarely hear ppl recommend those chips when it came to content creation/productivity.
Exact move I made! I had gotten so used to micro stutters, suddenly everything was butter smooth! Then my 1080ti died before I could save for a 7900xtx...so got a 6700xt for now and it's still a decent upgrade from my old beast
I would love to see a clock-for-clock investigation of IPC improvements on Zen. Take Zen 1000 through Zen 7000, lock them all to the same frequency and run the same tests so we can see the IPC and efficiency improvements AMD has made through refining the Zen architecture.
Love that you guys do this, super useful for folks looking to upgrade. I went from a 1700 (at 4.1ghz and something like 1.65v at the end.. sorry cpu) to a 5800x3d. I didn’t realize just how big of a jump it was, got a 4090 at the same time. I figured it was like 80% faster but… it must be wayyy higher. No regrets on waiting since I couldn’t get a 30 series FE card and didn’t want to buy a cpu only to have something that bottlenecked the 4k series since I play sweaty fps games lol.
I had a 1600AF in an ITX build; when the 5600 went on sale I upgraded to that. Was a really nice upgrade that stayed within the power & thermal limits of that particular SFF build. Paired with an RX 6700XT it’s a pretty neat console equivalent.
@@dikbozo I am eyeballing either a 5600x3d bundle from micro center ($300 b550 tuff 16gb ddr4 3200) or a 7800x3d build. (Update: 7800x3d at micro center with ram and mobo $480 U.S.D.) I went to far over clocking my cpu and the board is just toast. Just waiting to see if I can sneak a better deal on the 7800x3d at this point :)
@@mr.ts.1578 Long story short: You do need a new cooler. Default TDPs of the CPUs: 5800x3D is 105W 2600x is 65W The stock cooler that is provided with the 2600x will not keep the 5800x3D from thermal throttling. I’d recommend you at least upgrade your cooler to midrange Air Tower or a 240/280mm AIO. It will give you the needed headroom to push the 5800x3D to its maximum. Since Core Frequency overclocking is disabled on the CPU, you won’t need to go any higher than those types of coolers.
I would love to see these revisits with a gpu that someone with a 2600 might upgrade to like a 4060. Would show if their cpu would work fine or an upgrade is needed. No 2600 user is going to have a 4090
Agree. This is a wasted effort, IMO. If you bought a 4060, or a Radeon 7600, does it make sense to upgrade? My guess is the differences disappear because of the gpu bottleneck.
I was also confused by this being on 2600/3060 setup myself. No way anyone would try to run a high series card on low series cpu at 1440p.... But it makes me want to try and run 1440 and see what my numbers are
If you are considering 8600k, could you test it with a modest overclock as well in 1-2 games? Would be interesting to see how well it scales without HT and only 6 cores, but pushing frequency with better cooling might be worth it rather than getting a complete new system. Not sure if the PCI 3.0 would bottleneck though 🤔
Have had a 2600 for years and thought about upgrading to a 5600 or 5800X3D during the Black Friday sales. Decided against the extra spend, since I mostly play older games. I don't need Cyberpunk 2077 worthy specs when I'm just playing Cuisineer, Spelunky 2 and FFXIV. Having half of the TDP of a 5800X3D is nice for power consumption too.
My AMD Ryzen 5 2600 died just a week ago. I replaced it with an AMD Ryzen 5 4500 for 90$. My GPU previously was rx 570 8gb and I also upgraded it to an AMD rx 6600 8gb. I am happy now.
It's great to do occasional revisits, processors don't go bad when new generations are released. They generally last until something changes on the software side that needs something not in the model. In anticipation of Meteor Lake, a revisit to various integrated graphics from both Intel and AMD would be nice, at least showing their progress march.
This video was what I was looking for a few months back. Upgraded from the 2600 to the 5700X on an MSI X470 board for a dedicated OBS streaming build. Pricing/power eliminated the 5800X & X3D. Had some hiccups related to MSI's support site and ease of access for firmware. After a day and half of troubleshooting board & windows gremlins the performance difference was noticed immediately. No more encode issues with the Polaris card. Still plan to try and chuck the 2600 into a scrap build for a pet project or two. [Edit] Forgot to say thanks for your efforts team!
Hey man, can you please tell me what problems you had during the upgrade? I have 2600x on MSI x470 pro carbon, and wanna buy 5800x3d. I think i will need to update my BIOS, and i have no idea how to do it.
When i was building my first Ryzen in 2020 the 2600 was my CPU of choice on my Gigabyte B450 Aurous Elite board. As I was trying to balance out to get a decent GPU and RAM, then the 3300X was announced but that thing really didnt exist much. So I managed to push for a 3600 and RX580 8GB and 16GB RAM in the end
I upgraded my CPU from a first gen Ryzen 1600 to a 5700x this week. I knew it would be an improvement but games like Cyberpunk run so much better now, I don't get weird frame pacing or stutters anymore. (Not to mention the plethra of audio issues I had) Its kind of crazy to me that in a few years and with a few upgrades I went from a 1060 6gb, 8gb of RAM and a r5 1600 to a 6650xt, 32gb of RAM and a 5700x, all without changing motherboards. Also yeah, for some reason I found the 5700x for less than the 5600x, and bought my GPU right during the crypto crash. It may not be the most powerful computer out there, but its certainly served me well and I managed to get a few great deals. Won't be running RT anytime soon, but im just happy with rasterization for the moment.
AM4 systems impress and still surprise me especially since I've upgraded. Gone from a Athlon 240g to Ryzen 5 2600 (non x, free basically) Motherboard bios's are pretty much fleshed out and stable. (bug free) My main gaming rig using the 5800X3D is killer! Thanks Steve for the revisit.
@@mr.ts.1578 The 5800X3D is a hotter running chip than the 2600X. I'm using an air cooler Noctua D15 Chromax Black. Also have this installed in a mid tower Lian Li Lan cool 216 RGB. (Excellent air flow)
I'm still on my 2600 and it is amazing. Quiet and cool at lower loads, got even better after an undervolt. I wanted a benchmark for these games, and I'm glad GN delivered! Now I'm sure I can keep this cpu for longer than I thought, just my gpu needs to pick up. I think an RX 6600 can be a good match.
I have an RX 6600 with my 3600 and its indeed a good match. Itll run even Cyberpunk at decent settings as long as you stay away from raytracing, but itll look plenty pretty without.
Would be cool to revisit older HEDT platforms and see how they still perform. Especially since prices on the used market have come down significantly. I think this would consist of x99, x299, x399 and possibly 3rd gen threadripper (as the significantly most expensive option). Edit: and how they perform against regular consumer CPUs as well
I'm still using X99, However I don't know how it performs in gaming as I seldomly use it for gaming. Would love a revist on that. My specs are i7-5930K and 980ti. Mostly I use it for solidworks and CFD
I switched from a TR 2920X to a 7950X3D this year. Haven't really seen an uplift in games (I play in UHD@120Hz so probably GPU limited) but while way prefer my old ASRock X399 Pro mainboard over my current ASUS X670E Hero, the PCI-e 3 and DDR4 (although in quad-channel) became a noticeable bottleneck for some workloads. The higher clocks of the 7950X3D are also noticeable during e.g game boot times where only one core is utilized.
The shockingly huge gap between the 3600 and 5600 in some games amazes me more than anything else. They have the same number of cores and are only one generation apart. They even have the same I/O die! I assume one of the biggest parts of that is the move from 2 x 16MB L3 cache (one per CCX) to a unified 32MB L3 cache Upgrading from something slower than the 3600 to the 5600, or perhaps to an 8-core Zen 3 CPU, is an even more insane upgrade, and the 2600 wasn't even the first generation supported on the AM4 motherboard platform. Personally, I started with a 1500X (bought used for cheap), and am now on a 5600, and my B450 board even got PCIe gen 4 support in more recent bios updates (and early bioses also had some support for PCIe gen 4 as well).
I just ordered a 7800X3D and7900 XTS to finally replace my i7-8700 and RTX 2080 computer, I look forward to the next revisit. My new one will be faster but I'd like to see a good comparison to get an idea of what to expect.
These revisits are great for planning upgrades! Im still running my R5 1600 and an upgrade starts to feel necessary. I would love to see a revisit on the GTX 1060 and 1080, if they are as obsolete as Jenson says
Jenson has incentive to exaggerate how outdated the Pascal GPUs are. Most graphically demanding games are limited to running well on consoles and it's only been the last couple years that games haven't had a PS4/XB1 release. Even for PS5/XBS focused games a 1080 should still work on lowish settings, though the limitation of 8GB VRAM is starting to be a bit of an issue. If you play mostly eSports type games or games that came out 8+ years ago (Witcher 3, FC4, Fallout 4, etc) Pascal cards are still perfectly solid. Nvidia is building in so much planned obsolescence with limited VRAM (ex. 10GB 3080) and generational software limitations (ex. DLSS Frame Generation only on 40 series and newer cards). Fortunately PC is a customizable platform and graphics typically have such diminishing returns. We're already approaching the point the PS5/XBS is going to limit games. GTA6 in 2025 will be likely just a couple years before the PS6/XboxWhatever and therefore won't be able to develop with full path traced lighting in mind for example. Development times are also so long that GTA6 started development before full path tracing was even commercially viable which goes to show how much advance notice there is before another major minimum system requirement bump comes.
I had a 2600 until earlier this year. I upgraded to a 5600G bc I rarely play high-graphics games, but I needed the horsepower for video transcoding. Cut my transcode times by like a quarter. It was astounding!
GPUs to pair with the 5800X/5700X and 5800X3D. During Black Friday, I was watching TechDeals, and a topic in the chat was how good the X3D is in gaming compared to the non-3D version. Then it turned into 'do you have the GPU to get that extra performance?' So, what would be the threshold GPU where it doesn't really matter?
I'm going to upgrade from my 14nm R5 1600 to a R7 7700X this month, this cpu has carried me far but it's starting to show its age in some applications now.
I got a Ryzen 2600x very cheap recently. Had to clean thermal paste from the pins and bend other pins back so I had little hope but it actually seems to work. Perfect CPU for me as I don't play that often and mostly older less demanding games.
I got an R5 2600 back in 2019. It was the first CPU that brought me back to AMD after too many years of Intel. I replaced the 2600 with a 5600g in those dark days of mining craze. This APU served me well in that period. I've played games that I've never thought I could play on an iGPU. All those things were possible because I've made the decision to get the Ryzen 5 2600 in 2019. Now the 2600 is in my little brother's PC. He is pretty happy with it.
@@evilleader1991 It was the only reasonable CPU to buy after my main GPU died. On my local used market any decent GPU was too expensive to be bought. So, I've had to get the 5600g. At that time, I've known what I am getting. So, I am not sad with the decision I made back then. Right now, I am saving some money to go on AM5.
@@geeker9545 I know. I am still impressed that I was able to play RDR2 with it. GTX 750 Ti wasn't able to play it with decent quality and decent framerate. It was the first time I got to appreciate an iGPU. Now I plan to keep that 5600g and turn it into a small second PC once I upgrade to AM5.
@@MirelRCThe 2600 is still awesome today, I recently put together an absolute budget build for my partner with a used 2600 and similarly used 1660 super in it and it runs great, and it cost next to nothing for the whole thing, and there's an upgrade path still! Earlier AM4 CPUs have unbeatable value in the used market value build category rn, especially in places like Europe. Everything else I found when looking was either budget Intel offerings from 8-9th gen tops with lower overall performance (and a worse upgrade potential) or or options that were so expensive you might as well pay a few bucks more for something new and better at the same time (which was outside the budget). Amazing little machine for less money overall than a decent last gen GPU would cost you lol.
Thank you guys so much for making this video! I still have a 2600X and an RTX 4080, which is quite the mismatch... This data is super helpful, perfect for me!
Thank you for adding a paradox game benchmark to your suite. I've been looking for this to get added to mainstream CPU reviews for years and and it's great to finally see it!
When the 5800X3D matches, and or beats out the 14900k in many of the titles, just makes me so happy to have stuck with AM4 for so long. Hard to believe AMD has managed to keep up with Intel, on the same socket. All while Intel has changed sockets more times than I can count at this point to accommodate new features. Just goes to show what can happen if you manage, and support, a single socket instead of changing up with each generation.
Intel isn’t trying to keep up with AM4, they just intentionally change sockets because they want you to buy more boards and chipsets each upgrade. They absolutely have the ability to do what AMD does.
Same here, i upgraded my 570X AM4 CPU (5600X) to the 5800X3D and upgraded my RAM, from 16GB 3200MHz to 32GB 4000MHz RAM, and i am going to stick with this system the time i still have here on earth, yeah i am sick. You also made a good choice.
@@BahhBahhBrownSheep Yeah but why would they if still most people buy Intel CPU's and same for graphics cards, most people buy NVIDIA graphics cards, when price to performance, the AMD graphics cards are the best choice.
@ventilate4267 that's exactly the point, though. This generation is no different than how intel has always been. It's the Tick-Tock structure. Two generations per socket: the Tick releases the new feature set, the Tock puts polish on it. They just pretended that 14th Gen was something it wasn't.
It would be cool to see a revisit of the Intel 4th gen CPUs as they will be 10 years old. I'm still using a 4690K (with a GTX 980 haha) and will be upgrading next year. If you're wondering why I've not upgraded in so long it's a combination of being silly waiting for "the right time" to upgrade and not putting aside money into savings early enough.
Just you wait lmao. I went from a 4790 non k to a 13600k and it was a ridiculous eye opening difference lmao. The pc doesn't stutter hitch or lag ever basically now too for non gaming. I don't do production work but the snappiness across the system and especially for browsing with tons of tabs is great. Just thought I'd give you insight on the less talked about non gaming but still basically universal usecase that I just described. Also in a similar regard to gaming despite no ssd change games load soooo much faster.
@@Frozoken Thanks, I'm really looking forward to that side of the upgrade the most honestly. Playing a 4K RUclips video uses about 40% of my CPU utilisation haha!
I am using the 1600AF curently, bought mid year for approx 20$, with the rest of the system following with similiar pricing. Price to performance ratio is really good in this one.
Was hoping to get the 5800x3d for a black Friday or cyber Monday deal, but sadly those deals never came. It's been the same price for months here in Canada 😥
Yep Deals never came. Just their regular 'marked down' prices (from original MSRP') misleadingly advertised as a 'Black Friday Sale'. Even worse than last year which wasn't much of a sale either. Maybe we will have more luck on Boxing Day? But... With the unwillingness to discount I don't have hight hopes.
Just upgraded from a 2600x to 5800x3d and from 1080ti to 3080. Definitely, it's like a new computer. 5800x3d is insane if you can get it cheap (paid 230€ for mine). Great revisit, Steve!
Im also running a 1600 AF undervolted to 3.5GHz at 1.1200v. My max power consumption is 45w and my max temp in this summer that I have now(we have summer in december) is 55C in a 28C room (I have a coolermaster h410r cpu cooler). I still get 150 fps avg in cs 2 and dota 2 in 1080p with no fsr.
I'm still rocking my R5 1600, non-AF and I've got to say, it does not leave performance on the plate. Provided, I overclocked it to it's uper limit down by the hundredths along the years, but as far as I'm concerned, my RX 6600 and 32GB DDR4 3600MHz kit has been used really well by it, be it gaming or productivity. I bought mine for 50 bucks (in my currency) brand new at the time, and I must say it has been worth every penny.
I'm on a 1600x and looking to upgrade, but my mobo is kind of meh and I'm worried about support 😅 hoping I can find a 3000 series used chip since that *should* work
boards made for 1000 series theoreticaly should have beefier vrms because the 1000 series had a higher power draw than everything else on am4. only issue is the bios. however if your willing to, you can mod the bios to add support for unsupported cpus.
Seeing performance increases of 50% in games on the same socket is impressive when you go from *worst* first offering to *best* last offering, but seeing increases of over 150% going from best to best is just ridiculous and we'll probably never see that again. RIP AM4, you were legendary.
What is considered ridiculous nowadays is still below normal expectations in the late 90s and early 00s. Even Intel was convinced they would be selling 10 GHz CPU by 2005. Dennard scaling was the main driver of CPU progress, but it ended with the harbinger of stagnation called Cell processor in PS3. PS4 releasing with a weaker CPU than PS3 was the final kick in the guts.
Man I remember my first pc I built two weeks before the pandemic hit was with the r5 1600 af with an rog strix rx570 the whole build didn’t even break 450 dollars. Man prices were amazing before Covid hit.
12700K for 200 IMO is a better deal. Disable E-cores and HyperThreading, OC to 5.7-5.8 GHz and have a 5800X3D eater (no E-cores or HT means you're at like 150W peak power consumption as well).
@@GewelReal If you say so. Pretty sure not having to OC or tweak anything and just dropping in a new CPU in the same socket and getting a +100% increase in total CPU game performance is superior than changing platforms just to achieve the same thing. :P
I built my first computer in early 2019 using the R5 2600x. Thank you so much for this video as I am one of the many that is looking to upgrade soon. 👍🏽
I'm finally upgrading from a Ryzen 5 1600 to a 5600x3d this christmas! I honestly can't wait, but my 1600 has served me incredibly well. Ryzen as a platform has been a blessing for budget-focused mid-tier gamers like me.
Would love to see context on how these CPU upgrade options scale when not using a top of the line modern GPU, which most people wouldn’t be when upgrading from something like a 2600x.
I bought a 1600AF a little bit after watching your original coverage of it. Was able to snag it off Amazon for the $85 MSRP to replace the 2200G I originally built the system with. Ran it with the 1050Ti I started with for quite a while up until this past summer when I picked up a 3060. Still going strong for the stuff I play, and I'm sure I can get more from it if I need to with an overclock and some better cooling (currently still running the Wraith Stealth that came with it; does just fine for now). Gotta thank you for that original coverage you did on the AF, cause I wouldn't have known anything about it otherwise. Thanks to GN, my system's got plenty of life still left in it.
I used to have a 2600 overclocked to 4.1 Ghz allcore , then i got a nice deal for a 5600x and the difference was really big. 2600 was good, did a good job for a long time, but the 5600x was a major boost to gaming performance. Really happy. Easy PBO + CO tuning on the 5600x and it's working and working and working. PS: For the 7800x3d you not only have to consider Motherboard prices, but DDR5 prices as well.
This video shows why you're the best channel on RUclips when it comes to PC hardware. Clear, concise, exhausitve, objective and you give credit where credit is due. Great job and thank you.
i really like you emphasizing not to upgrade if the performance is still good enough for one, even if the fancy numbers look great. i think it would be a great addition if you mention and link your "how to identity your bottleneck" video
I really appreciate you offering benchmarks in 1440p. Hardware Unboxed said I was uninformed for wanting to see 1440p and 4k. I just want to see all 3 data points. I know less than 3% of people play at 4k so you cant waste your time catering to me.
I got the 1600af, am4 mobo and 2x8gb ram for like 280$ or so, including the 20% VAT in Europe. Still using it to this day. Sadly, we can only dream for a deal like that nowadays.
I can't believe that you'd make a video so specific to my use case. I'd like to give credit to yourselves for providing useful content, rather than blame coincidence. Thank you so much!
been running my 2600x on first ever build back in 2018 and I'll forever love it for that Now that I'm in my second year of college looking to upgrade up to the 7800x3d. Super excited
I really like these kinds of videos. Until this week, I have been using a Ryzen 3700x for the last three years that I purchased used from eBay. I gave that system to my son who had been using a Intel 4790 system for the last six or seven years. I decided to go the same route and purchased a Ryzen 9 5900x paired to a Gigabyte B550I Pro AX motherboard, and I could not be happier!
I’m still using my 2600x that I got in 2018. I mostly just play RuneScape so I don’t need much compute power, and it’s been great for me. Also still rocking the rx580. I’ll probably finally bite the bullet within the next year and upgrade both, but I got at least 5 years of solid gaming out of my 2600x/rx580 that I spent a less than $300 on👍
We had two systems on the 2600 and 2600X. Upgraded to 5600 and 5800X last year. The 2600s live on in our media server and security camera system. It's kind of crazy we are still using our original motherboards from 2018 in our main systems.
Recently upgraded from a OG R5 1600 to a 5800x3D to get more stable (and higher max) fps in PCVR titles. Really impressive how that plattform flies now, everything feels super snappy and my 1% low frame times are within 20% of the average fps now, while before in CPU demanding titles like Cyberpunk near release I could never go over 45fps no matter the graphics settings and Starfield feeling pretty wobbly outside small maps due to the unstable frame times. What impressive me the most was how incredibly fast Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires map was doing it's endturn. Yeah, min-fps is super high now and the image feels way more stable and smooth, but those turn times!
Still running the 2600x @4,15GHz, good enough for 1080p. I'd obviously love to get an 5700X3D but it's still 350 euro on the second hand market. If the 2600x cost me 120 euro it's a nonsense to pay more than 2x what I originally paid for the R5 in relation to performance so I'll wait. Great insight as always tho!
I started with a 2700x $135 black friday deal to replace my 7yr old 2700k. I then proceeded to build 4x 1600AF $85 builds on open box B450 Tomahawk boards($75) to replace a bunch of other aging systems for Media and Family PC's. Then over the next year built a few more for family and replaced even the garage PC hardware with AM4. All 9 now have 5000 series CPU's and RDNA2 GPU's except the garage has a GTX1080 for 2560x1080p 60hz vsync on. I did sell off all my 1600AF about a year ago as I came across 3600/3700x used deals and finally 5600,5600x,5700x,5800x,5900x cpus that all bought 2nd hand/open box. AM4 has been fun and plan to run most all of these for another 3-5yrs. I have never replaced so many CPU's without board replacement. Some of my systems saw 4 different CPU's as I played hardware musical chairs in the house.
3950x vs 5950x vs 7950x is an interesting one that puts the cost vs blender gains in the realm of borderline why bother given current GPU prices, esp the latter one given the motherboard and ram upgrade requirements. I do appreciate the testing none the less, thanks Steve and Crew. B)
It would be cool to see a revisit of the apu's from am4. I feel like i never see them in the CPU comparisons. With how cheap they are now i think it only makes sense to include them in. The ryzen 5700g is a beast of an apu.
They don't show them on CPU charts cause of being to similar to non-APU variants. But true, a iGPU tests of APUs would be nice, thou wait till AM5 ones will get releases next year.
Around 6:25, you mentioned an upgrade to the R7 5800X3D as nearly doubling "assuming your GPU can keep up". On thing I've always wondered with most of these tests is: when I'm either upgrading my computer or building new, how to I balance that? Most charts I see (among all tech RUclips reviews) show every CPU paired with the 4090. I currently have a 1070Ti paired with a 6600k, so it's starting to show its age, but when I'm exploring budgets for a new build, I'm not sure how much to allocate to the GPU. My current debate is pairing a 7600 with a 5600X3D, and have seen bundles for the 7800X3D for
Pick a game and check GPU chart at desired resolution. Let’s say you see a GPU “Voodoo 3” delivering 150fps at that resolution. To pick a CPU that will not bottleneck the Voodoo 3, now check CPU chart in the same game. The CPU has to be able to deliver at least 150fps at low resolution. That’s why CPU charts are done at low resolution with a top video card. This way you can compare CPU performance. Otherwise you run the risk of being bottlenecked by the GPU and see no differences between the CPUs being tested.
I bought the 2600 about 3 years ago when it was $110. It was a great deal and is still going strong. I recently built a new PC with a R5 5500/Rx 6700xt/32g ram. And at $100 the 5500 is such an underrated cpu. It pairs really well with the 6700xt running 1440p at 75hz. I would have loved to have seen the 5500 on these charts especially given the $100 price point. Great vid as usual though.
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Read the article! gamersnexus.net/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-2600x-1600-af-2024-revisit-vs-5800x3d-7800x3d-more-cpu-benchmarks
The 1600 AF was amazing and seems like something that won't happen again. But we can hope! Which CPUs should be next? We already have the 8600K & 8700K on the list after the last one. How about after that?
Watch our recent R7 2700 revisit: ruclips.net/video/cKgDrW5H5go/видео.html
9700K - to see how 8 cores without hyperthreading handle modern games, and whether it's time to upgrade.
I'm thinking about upgrading from my 3950x to a 7950x for the speed upgrade, it has an igpu and AVX512 instructions but am wondering if it's worth it?
Broadwell-e.
5600x
One of the best chips of the decade
Edit silicon lottery accounted for
Ryzen 3 3200g/2200g
I had a 1600AF until 2021, but it's still in used today by family. Great CPU!
Especially when it was $85. That was insane.
@@GamersNexus $17.71 per billion transistors vs. the 7800X3D at $48.70 per billion.
I went from an original 1600 to a 5600 and it was great to keep the same motherboard. Only reason I'm tempted to upgrade my computer again is because AM4 has also seemed to be the winner when it comes to consumer hardware supporting ECC UDIMMs.
@@qwkimballhow is that relevant? You act like those transistors are the same….
I give kudos to AMD for actually sticking to a socket for so many generations. I hope that happens again.
Was with AMD for S462m S754/939.AM2/AM3 and am still on AM4. will go to AM5 next build as recently got the 5700x.
@@dikbozo should wait till about 2026, if you can, as most people have a suspicion that they won't actually support AM5 beyond that point, nowhere near as long as AM4.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf AMD is currently not even sure if Zen 6 will be on AM5.
It's actually false. You can't put Excavator AM4 (the very first chip to be on AM4) on the latest chipset, and the other way around.
@@AlfaPro1337 That's not false. You're just splitting hairs to be obnoxious.
This is what i needed. i just upgraded a PC from a 3700X to a 5600X3D and i like seeing just much AM4 has been the GOAT. sad that it probably won’t happen again at least not in same way.
5600X3D is a rare one to see in the comments! You must live near a sacred Microcenter.
I bought a 7800x3d but I’m too scared to try and assemble it I need a new graphics card and a case but I don’t know what I need
@@GamersNexus wait til the 5500x3d come out, even more rare.
@@GamersNexusit was a rare instance too, just so happened that 5800X3D was out of stock but they had a 5600X3D. figured may as well since i’m here.
@@kswat3853do you even have a motherboard? You can’t just buy a cpu. No integrated graphics on that chip. Ultimate waste of money.
2600 was a great value 6 core cpu at the time and offered an excellent upgrade path to a 5800X3D, a simple drop in upgrade that can double your fps without much hassle.
A day or more fiddling with bios for stability and uv oc
It'd take a while but still it's phenomenal that huge of a upgrade is practically plug and play
i did exactly this. summer 2018 Ryzen 2600. 2023 5800X3D. fps in Star Citizen went from 50 to 250.
I bought a 2600, mobo and ram 3 years ago to upgrade from phenom... Wanna upgrade but living in Ireland is expensive, would like a 5700x but it's upwards from 170 euro if I can get something used/damaged on Amazon from the uk, otherwise it's 210 euro to buy locally. For casual gaming I was hoping for under 150 euro by now, what with am5 board out etc and zen 5 coming
@@EmilePesky-n1v Have you considered the 5600 non-x? It's around 130 GBP in the UK new, I have one, it's within hairsplitting distance of the 5700x for gaming purposes, is easy on the power draw / thermals, even still comes with a free cooler unlike the more expensive ones.
Hardware Unboxed did a pretty good video comparing it to the 5700X last year, there was a difference in a marginal few cases but in most the difference was only in the difference of clock frequency between the two (around 5%), which was definitely not worth paying basically double IMO, or risking used parts and still paying a markup. They did another video showing that multitasking during gaming also shows trivial difference between the two as well.
This video by Gamers' Nexus even shows how little the difference in core count between the 2600 & 2700X has meant in the long run for gaming. Games are far more constrained by latency than throughput, which is why 3D V-cache makes such a difference. Which is why it's so irritating that AMD don't make the 5600X3D widely available.
@@EmilePesky-n1v LOL. I went Phenom X6 1100T to a 2700X. Bulldozer was a bust...
I spent 120 euros leaving my 1600 af (it was my best option at that time), for the 5600 and it AMAZES me that I spent the same amount for two SO DIFFERENT CPUS. Loving my upgrade :D
I spent
back in the day.... 2018 feels like last month, not 5 years ago.
Loved my 1600AF and I got mine for $85. Replaced it with a 5700X this year as a drop in upgrade. Ill head into 2024 with a 4 year old system that I have spend a whopping $270 on for CPUs - $85 + $175. Couldn't be happier.
yes, 5700x prices were quite good recently. i dropped one in my b450 board last week and have been very surprised and happy.
Same here, scored one sealed from second hand market for 150€ to replace my Ryzen 3600 that i got in 2020. If nothing groundbreaking happens in the next years, i think this platform will satisfy me until 2030, which is crazy to me.
i just could not understand why gamers nexus would ALWAYS leave out 5700x in their benchmarks when it is priced so close to the 5600x with its power consumption of 5600x and performance similar to 5800x. With the introduction of 5700x by AMD, nobody should be buying 5600x or 5800x anymore in my opinion!
Great content as always!
Thank you!
It is so hard to find good information these days. Cheers!
There are so many bad stuff bumped up by The Algorithm™ that the good stuff often goes unnoticed. Glad to have people like GN and HW delivering objective and quality stuff.
I built two 1600af systems in early 2020 for both my mom and dad. They are still going strong to this day!
Not gonna lie I'd love to see performance and efficiency testing for the old FX chips like the 8350 and the 6300. I'd imagine the efficiency gap between them would be staggering and a good show of how far AMD's CPU teams have come
I can't help but marvel at these videos knowing how much work went into this - you guys are a treasure, thanks for everything.
Seeing these comparisons to the 5800X3D just keeps showing me what a great capstone it is to AM4. Truly a blessed chipset.
yeah, i havent seen the vid yet but im guessing 50%+ uplift compared to previous generation cpus, which is insanely good value!
jokes on me its a 100% uplift for the 3d chip compared to a 50% uplift for the much cheaper none 3d chips xD
Dunno only if you wanna play at 1080p\med with 4090. No one in good mind will do it anyway.
The 5800X3D is looking like one of the best CPU's of all time. I'm very happy with my x470 + 5800X3D. I might build a whole new PC in late 2024/2025. 😊
If we still can buy pricey computer hardware, as it now goes it looks that
most people cannot buy pricey stuff anymore in 2025 and up, maybe even
halfway 2024.
Yes the future looks very bleek.
I can see them being in demand on the used market for 6-8 years if not longer. Because not only are they still near the top in performance, but they use so little power compared to everything else. While there are still 8 core bulldozers out there being used, its not really in demand because they use so much power and are difficult to maintain because of it. Nobody will rush to throw out a system that uses 30-40W while running games.
2500k/2600k want to talk to you. The 5800X3D is good, but the 2500k/2600k were a different kind of beast.
@@telilala3891They were good, but a lot of their longevity was because Intel basically didn't do anything interesting for the next 8 years. 5800X3D is kind of the opposite, it's a final unexpected victory for the platform which forced the market to move forward in the first place.
i would say 7800x3D, it's not that much more expensive
Still have my 1600AF OC'd to 4.1ghz paired with some samsung c die 16GB . Its been through many different variations through the years , it has been my homelab setup. I literally purchased this CPU right after Gamers Nexus's original review, for the MSRP. I told all my friends to grab one too! LOL Really appreciate the content especially doing a revisit in 2023. Thank you GN team! Love and appreciate you all!
4.1 damn. I had absolutely abysmal silicon lottery and couldn't get the sucker stable at all even at 3.9 GHz. Also it didn't like anything above 3200MT/s RAM
any particular reason you haven't upgraded to the 5600 or anything? Or are you basically just waiting for an AM5 socket build to become cheap?
wow u are lucky, my 1600 af crashes at 4ghz. Max I could go stable was 3.95Ghz
I love these videos where you take a look at, or even just include, the older products.
I've just ordered an upgrade including a 7800X3D and 7900XTX which will be a HUGE jump from my current 1600X and 1070.
Hopefully I can keep this new hardware also running for many years before needing an upgrade again.
Good luck 👍
I give it 5 years, you'll basically get to be running console settings at true 4K 60FPS while consoles will be upscaling (and probably FSR 3-ing) their way to a pretty smudgy 1440p by the end of this gen cycle. Your card vs the 6700XT is basically the difference you can expect, and CPU limits aren't gonna be a thing in most games anyway.
An Xbox refresh in 2026 will probably see you wanting to upgrade that GPU sooner though.
I recently went 5950X + 6700XT to 7950X3D + XTX, but stayed on 1440p, and I can assure you you're going to get flung out of your gaming chair if you don't hold on!
I did the same with 1600x to 5800x3d and am planning xtx later
I had a 1600x and a 1070 but a powerspike killed my motherboard. I ordered a 7800x3d online for 330$ was hoping to get a 7900xt or xtx but the prices are still a bit absurd for me. I got a 16gb a770 for 200$ I'm mainly on Linux so I'm not affected by the bad dx9 and 10 performance, hopefully the Rx 8000 series will have a more reasonable price next year and I'll upgrade to that and throw the Intel card in to my jellyfin server.
I can't believe a 5800X3D beats a 14900K (which just came out) in some scenarios, this is insane ! Definitely made the right choice for my build
V cache is the way for gaming. Upgraded from a i5 10400 similar to r5 3600 to a r7 7800x3D and I’ve been blown away
@@portman8909 Sup bro, since you changed some components there I wanna ask for your opinion, I currently have an i3 10100f and dont know if to go with a beastly am4 with 5800x3d or just get a mid range am5 but have those ugly ram latency of the ddr6 but be able to upgrade in the future
Beats it only in gaming, x3d variants are typically bad at productivity
@@coolamericano well duh. The X3D chips were advertised for gaming.
Rarely hear ppl recommend those chips when it came to content creation/productivity.
Perfect video for me! I upgraded from a 2600x to a 5800x3d recently
You won't need to upgrade from the x3d for years. Maybe 4 years.
Exact move I made! I had gotten so used to micro stutters, suddenly everything was butter smooth! Then my 1080ti died before I could save for a 7900xtx...so got a 6700xt for now and it's still a decent upgrade from my old beast
the 5800x3d will carry you through AM5 at least, soonest you’d have to upgrade is AM6 which is in about 4 years already
I did the exact same thing, 1060 6gb is next on the list for the upgrades.
@@CallOFDutyMVP666need is a strong word.
Can we just take a moment to realize that the 5800X3D is besting the 14900K in some games??? I will never regret buying that chip : )
They weren’t lying about how good v cache is for gamers.
The 14900K has scheduling problems. Without that, it's on an entirely different perfomance class.
LOL that's like saying that the Ford Lighting is a great truck except for that short battery life thing : ) @@saricubra2867
14900K is a different class of CPU, the 5800X3D coming out slightly ahead in a random title doesn't really speak much comparatively speaking.
@@SyDiko No one talks about the 5800X3D on Troy Total War Saga or emulation but my i7-12700K is 53% faster in Troy and PS3 games.
I would love to see a clock-for-clock investigation of IPC improvements on Zen. Take Zen 1000 through Zen 7000, lock them all to the same frequency and run the same tests so we can see the IPC and efficiency improvements AMD has made through refining the Zen architecture.
And trying to explain the improvements by looking at microarchitecture design. That’d be awesome.
Love that you guys do this, super useful for folks looking to upgrade.
I went from a 1700 (at 4.1ghz and something like 1.65v at the end.. sorry cpu) to a 5800x3d. I didn’t realize just how big of a jump it was, got a 4090 at the same time. I figured it was like 80% faster but… it must be wayyy higher. No regrets on waiting since I couldn’t get a 30 series FE card and didn’t want to buy a cpu only to have something that bottlenecked the 4k series since I play sweaty fps games lol.
Could you please tell me what cooler are you using? I have 2600x and not sure if i have to buy a new cooler for 5800x3d.
Went from a 1600 to a 5700x. Very nice, works with no issue on an old b350 board
yup, same but a B450. Same cooler and it took a bit longer initial boot but straight in Windows.
my motherboard receiving its 3rd cpu: i’m tired boss
I had a 1600AF in an ITX build; when the 5600 went on sale I upgraded to that. Was a really nice upgrade that stayed within the power & thermal limits of that particular SFF build. Paired with an RX 6700XT it’s a pretty neat console equivalent.
I upgraded from R5 2600 to R7 5700X and it feels amazing.
Makes you realize how insane getting the 7800x3d for $270 with the Micro Center bundle during Black Friday really was.
I am looking to upgrade from my 2700x. You guys are amazing. I needed this so bad, such perfect timing.
Check the prices on 5700X. Recently very good. you'll be able to drop it in and still use your current cooler.
@@dikbozo I am eyeballing either a 5600x3d bundle from micro center ($300 b550 tuff 16gb ddr4 3200) or a 7800x3d build. (Update: 7800x3d at micro center with ram and mobo $480 U.S.D.) I went to far over clocking my cpu and the board is just toast. Just waiting to see if I can sneak a better deal on the 7800x3d at this point :)
Just updated from a 2600 to 5800x3D. Thanks AMD for having long upgrade pathways!
Could you please tell me what cooler are you using? I have 2600x and not sure if i have to buy a new cooler for 5800x3d.
@@mr.ts.1578 Long story short: You do need a new cooler.
Default TDPs of the CPUs:
5800x3D is 105W
2600x is 65W
The stock cooler that is provided with the 2600x will not keep the 5800x3D from thermal throttling.
I’d recommend you at least upgrade your cooler to midrange Air Tower or a 240/280mm AIO. It will give you the needed headroom to push the 5800x3D to its maximum. Since Core Frequency overclocking is disabled on the CPU, you won’t need to go any higher than those types of coolers.
what motherboard are you using? B450? cause im on the B450 Aorus and i'm not looking to change my board at all cause its too expensive...
@@Fujiwara.Takumi1 You are perfect with a B450 MoBo, as long as the BIOS is updated to the latest version to support the Ryzen 5000 series.
I would love to see these revisits with a gpu that someone with a 2600 might upgrade to like a 4060. Would show if their cpu would work fine or an upgrade is needed. No 2600 user is going to have a 4090
THANK YOU!
Agree. This is a wasted effort, IMO. If you bought a 4060, or a Radeon 7600, does it make sense to upgrade? My guess is the differences disappear because of the gpu bottleneck.
I was also confused by this being on 2600/3060 setup myself. No way anyone would try to run a high series card on low series cpu at 1440p.... But it makes me want to try and run 1440 and see what my numbers are
If you are considering 8600k, could you test it with a modest overclock as well in 1-2 games? Would be interesting to see how well it scales without HT and only 6 cores, but pushing frequency with better cooling might be worth it rather than getting a complete new system. Not sure if the PCI 3.0 would bottleneck though 🤔
Have had a 2600 for years and thought about upgrading to a 5600 or 5800X3D during the Black Friday sales. Decided against the extra spend, since I mostly play older games. I don't need Cyberpunk 2077 worthy specs when I'm just playing Cuisineer, Spelunky 2 and FFXIV. Having half of the TDP of a 5800X3D is nice for power consumption too.
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i just buy a R5 3600 and is perfect for gaming,all new games run perfect,i pay 74 $ new ,and at this price is insane
My AMD Ryzen 5 2600 died just a week ago. I replaced it with an AMD Ryzen 5 4500 for 90$.
My GPU previously was rx 570 8gb and I also upgraded it to an AMD rx 6600 8gb.
I am happy now.
It's great to do occasional revisits, processors don't go bad when new generations are released. They generally last until something changes on the software side that needs something not in the model.
In anticipation of Meteor Lake, a revisit to various integrated graphics from both Intel and AMD would be nice, at least showing their progress march.
This video was what I was looking for a few months back. Upgraded from the 2600 to the 5700X on an MSI X470 board for a dedicated OBS streaming build. Pricing/power eliminated the 5800X & X3D. Had some hiccups related to MSI's support site and ease of access for firmware. After a day and half of troubleshooting board & windows gremlins the performance difference was noticed immediately. No more encode issues with the Polaris card. Still plan to try and chuck the 2600 into a scrap build for a pet project or two. [Edit] Forgot to say thanks for your efforts team!
Hey man, can you please tell me what problems you had during the upgrade? I have 2600x on MSI x470 pro carbon, and wanna buy 5800x3d. I think i will need to update my BIOS, and i have no idea how to do it.
When i was building my first Ryzen in 2020 the 2600 was my CPU of choice on my Gigabyte B450 Aurous Elite board. As I was trying to balance out to get a decent GPU and RAM, then the 3300X was announced but that thing really didnt exist much. So I managed to push for a 3600 and RX580 8GB and 16GB RAM in the end
Good combo. The 580 is still a viable option for 1080p. My 3600 was retired last week for a 5700X.
I upgraded my CPU from a first gen Ryzen 1600 to a 5700x this week. I knew it would be an improvement but games like Cyberpunk run so much better now, I don't get weird frame pacing or stutters anymore. (Not to mention the plethra of audio issues I had)
Its kind of crazy to me that in a few years and with a few upgrades I went from a 1060 6gb, 8gb of RAM and a r5 1600 to a 6650xt, 32gb of RAM and a 5700x, all without changing motherboards.
Also yeah, for some reason I found the 5700x for less than the 5600x, and bought my GPU right during the crypto crash. It may not be the most powerful computer out there, but its certainly served me well and I managed to get a few great deals. Won't be running RT anytime soon, but im just happy with rasterization for the moment.
AM4 systems impress and still surprise me especially since I've upgraded. Gone from a Athlon 240g to Ryzen 5 2600 (non x, free basically) Motherboard bios's are pretty much fleshed out and stable. (bug free) My main gaming rig using the 5800X3D is killer! Thanks Steve for the revisit.
Interesting update... Ryzen 5 5600X3D, 16 gigs of ram, And an Asus Tuf B550 gaming plus Wifi for $299. It kicks A#$%!
Could you please tell me what cooler are you using? I have 2600x and not sure if i have to buy a new cooler for 5800x3d.
@@mr.ts.1578 The 5800X3D is a hotter running chip than the 2600X. I'm using an air cooler Noctua D15 Chromax Black. Also have this installed in a mid tower Lian Li Lan cool 216 RGB. (Excellent air flow)
I'm still on my 2600 and it is amazing. Quiet and cool at lower loads, got even better after an undervolt. I wanted a benchmark for these games, and I'm glad GN delivered! Now I'm sure I can keep this cpu for longer than I thought, just my gpu needs to pick up. I think an RX 6600 can be a good match.
same, still with a 2600 just upgraded gpu from a vega 56 to a 7800xt. now i can finally drive the 1440p monitor i bought a while ago hahaha
I have an RX 6600 with my 3600 and its indeed a good match. Itll run even Cyberpunk at decent settings as long as you stay away from raytracing, but itll look plenty pretty without.
Would be cool to revisit older HEDT platforms and see how they still perform. Especially since prices on the used market have come down significantly. I think this would consist of x99, x299, x399 and possibly 3rd gen threadripper (as the significantly most expensive option).
Edit: and how they perform against regular consumer CPUs as well
I'm still using X99, However I don't know how it performs in gaming as I seldomly use it for gaming. Would love a revist on that. My specs are i7-5930K and 980ti. Mostly I use it for solidworks and CFD
I switched from a TR 2920X to a 7950X3D this year. Haven't really seen an uplift in games (I play in UHD@120Hz so probably GPU limited) but while way prefer my old ASRock X399 Pro mainboard over my current ASUS X670E Hero, the PCI-e 3 and DDR4 (although in quad-channel) became a noticeable bottleneck for some workloads. The higher clocks of the 7950X3D are also noticeable during e.g game boot times where only one core is utilized.
I'm currently on a 1600 af, managed to pick it up earlier this year for £30
I am so glad I got my 7700x. Microcenter has a deal where you can get a 7700x, ram, and mb for $399. It's a hell of a deal.
Man some of these microcenter deals are so good that I'm almost glad none of them are near me. I'd be there all the time lol.
@@Dontrel3030 yeah, luckily I live a few hours away from my nearest store. It makes it a rare trip.
The shockingly huge gap between the 3600 and 5600 in some games amazes me more than anything else. They have the same number of cores and are only one generation apart. They even have the same I/O die!
I assume one of the biggest parts of that is the move from 2 x 16MB L3 cache (one per CCX) to a unified 32MB L3 cache
Upgrading from something slower than the 3600 to the 5600, or perhaps to an 8-core Zen 3 CPU, is an even more insane upgrade, and the 2600 wasn't even the first generation supported on the AM4 motherboard platform.
Personally, I started with a 1500X (bought used for cheap), and am now on a 5600, and my B450 board even got PCIe gen 4 support in more recent bios updates (and early bioses also had some support for PCIe gen 4 as well).
I remember going from a 3950X to a 5950X and it made such a difference for me in VR games I played. So much smoother
It helps with VR too? Interesting. I am slowly trying to get VR I saved up for the computer now I need actual VR. But I may need a better CPU??
@@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature what cpu do you have?
I just ordered a 7800X3D and7900 XTS to finally replace my i7-8700 and RTX 2080 computer, I look forward to the next revisit. My new one will be faster but I'd like to see a good comparison to get an idea of what to expect.
These revisits are great for planning upgrades! Im still running my R5 1600 and an upgrade starts to feel necessary.
I would love to see a revisit on the GTX 1060 and 1080, if they are as obsolete as Jenson says
Jenson has incentive to exaggerate how outdated the Pascal GPUs are. Most graphically demanding games are limited to running well on consoles and it's only been the last couple years that games haven't had a PS4/XB1 release.
Even for PS5/XBS focused games a 1080 should still work on lowish settings, though the limitation of 8GB VRAM is starting to be a bit of an issue.
If you play mostly eSports type games or games that came out 8+ years ago (Witcher 3, FC4, Fallout 4, etc) Pascal cards are still perfectly solid.
Nvidia is building in so much planned obsolescence with limited VRAM (ex. 10GB 3080) and generational software limitations (ex. DLSS Frame Generation only on 40 series and newer cards). Fortunately PC is a customizable platform and graphics typically have such diminishing returns.
We're already approaching the point the PS5/XBS is going to limit games. GTA6 in 2025 will be likely just a couple years before the PS6/XboxWhatever and therefore won't be able to develop with full path traced lighting in mind for example. Development times are also so long that GTA6 started development before full path tracing was even commercially viable which goes to show how much advance notice there is before another major minimum system requirement bump comes.
I had a 2600 until earlier this year. I upgraded to a 5600G bc I rarely play high-graphics games, but I needed the horsepower for video transcoding. Cut my transcode times by like a quarter. It was astounding!
GPUs to pair with the 5800X/5700X and 5800X3D.
During Black Friday, I was watching TechDeals, and a topic in the chat was how good the X3D is in gaming compared to the non-3D version.
Then it turned into 'do you have the GPU to get that extra performance?' So, what would be the threshold GPU where it doesn't really matter?
I'm going to upgrade from my 14nm R5 1600 to a R7 7700X this month, this cpu has carried me far but it's starting to show its age in some applications now.
I got a Ryzen 2600x very cheap recently. Had to clean thermal paste from the pins and bend other pins back so I had little hope but it actually seems to work. Perfect CPU for me as I don't play that often and mostly older less demanding games.
still on the 5600x when I upgraded from 1700 back in 2021 and it still rocks.
I got an R5 2600 back in 2019. It was the first CPU that brought me back to AMD after too many years of Intel. I replaced the 2600 with a 5600g in those dark days of mining craze. This APU served me well in that period. I've played games that I've never thought I could play on an iGPU. All those things were possible because I've made the decision to get the Ryzen 5 2600 in 2019. Now the 2600 is in my little brother's PC. He is pretty happy with it.
Eww,.5600g performs closer to 3600 than 5600.
@@evilleader1991 It was the only reasonable CPU to buy after my main GPU died. On my local used market any decent GPU was too expensive to be bought. So, I've had to get the 5600g. At that time, I've known what I am getting. So, I am not sad with the decision I made back then. Right now, I am saving some money to go on AM5.
@@MirelRC You did the right choice! It was crazy back then...
@@geeker9545 I know. I am still impressed that I was able to play RDR2 with it. GTX 750 Ti wasn't able to play it with decent quality and decent framerate. It was the first time I got to appreciate an iGPU. Now I plan to keep that 5600g and turn it into a small second PC once I upgrade to AM5.
@@MirelRCThe 2600 is still awesome today, I recently put together an absolute budget build for my partner with a used 2600 and similarly used 1660 super in it and it runs great, and it cost next to nothing for the whole thing, and there's an upgrade path still! Earlier AM4 CPUs have unbeatable value in the used market value build category rn, especially in places like Europe. Everything else I found when looking was either budget Intel offerings from 8-9th gen tops with lower overall performance (and a worse upgrade potential) or or options that were so expensive you might as well pay a few bucks more for something new and better at the same time (which was outside the budget). Amazing little machine for less money overall than a decent last gen GPU would cost you lol.
Thank you guys so much for making this video! I still have a 2600X and an RTX 4080, which is quite the mismatch... This data is super helpful, perfect for me!
I've got a 2600, but a 5800X3D is in the mail :) . AM4 has been good to me!
Thank you for adding a paradox game benchmark to your suite. I've been looking for this to get added to mainstream CPU reviews for years and and it's great to finally see it!
When the 5800X3D matches, and or beats out the 14900k in many of the titles, just makes me so happy to have stuck with AM4 for so long. Hard to believe AMD has managed to keep up with Intel, on the same socket. All while Intel has changed sockets more times than I can count at this point to accommodate new features. Just goes to show what can happen if you manage, and support, a single socket instead of changing up with each generation.
Intel isn’t trying to keep up with AM4, they just intentionally change sockets because they want you to buy more boards and chipsets each upgrade. They absolutely have the ability to do what AMD does.
Same here, i upgraded my 570X AM4 CPU (5600X) to the 5800X3D and upgraded my RAM, from
16GB 3200MHz to 32GB 4000MHz RAM, and i am going to stick with this system the time i still
have here on earth, yeah i am sick.
You also made a good choice.
@@BahhBahhBrownSheep Yeah but why would they if still most people buy Intel CPU's
and same for graphics cards, most people buy NVIDIA graphics cards, when price to
performance, the AMD graphics cards are the best choice.
To be fair intel has kept socket support for the last 3 "generations" of their CPUs
@ventilate4267 that's exactly the point, though. This generation is no different than how intel has always been. It's the Tick-Tock structure. Two generations per socket: the Tick releases the new feature set, the Tock puts polish on it.
They just pretended that 14th Gen was something it wasn't.
I remember seeing an Ryzen 1600AF at $75 before the pandemic. I regretted it for two years.😢
i bought a 3100 for 100€
It would be cool to see a revisit of the Intel 4th gen CPUs as they will be 10 years old. I'm still using a 4690K (with a GTX 980 haha) and will be upgrading next year. If you're wondering why I've not upgraded in so long it's a combination of being silly waiting for "the right time" to upgrade and not putting aside money into savings early enough.
I’m still rocking my i5 3470 😂
Just you wait lmao. I went from a 4790 non k to a 13600k and it was a ridiculous eye opening difference lmao. The pc doesn't stutter hitch or lag ever basically now too for non gaming. I don't do production work but the snappiness across the system and especially for browsing with tons of tabs is great. Just thought I'd give you insight on the less talked about non gaming but still basically universal usecase that I just described. Also in a similar regard to gaming despite no ssd change games load soooo much faster.
@@Frozoken Thanks, I'm really looking forward to that side of the upgrade the most honestly. Playing a 4K RUclips video uses about 40% of my CPU utilisation haha!
I am using the 1600AF curently, bought mid year for approx 20$, with the rest of the system following with similiar pricing. Price to performance ratio is really good in this one.
Was hoping to get the 5800x3d for a black Friday or cyber Monday deal, but sadly those deals never came. It's been the same price for months here in Canada 😥
The price drop, if any, will come after the new year. If not, wait until June. Prices historically are cyclical with the lowest prices in June/July.
Prices sucked in US too. Lowest it's been in US is $250 USD. Best I saw was $290 USD. Just not that great.
Which retailer are you trying to get?
Yep Deals never came. Just their regular 'marked down' prices (from original MSRP') misleadingly advertised as a 'Black Friday Sale'. Even worse than last year which wasn't much of a sale either.
Maybe we will have more luck on Boxing Day? But... With the unwillingness to discount I don't have hight hopes.
Actually Canada computers had/has an awesome deal. Cpu plus 32GB of ram for 429. Basically 330 CAD for the cpu.
My 2600 could handle literally everything i threw at it, until Cyberpunks 2.0 update, finally forced me to upgrade.
Just upgraded from a 2600x to 5800x3d and from 1080ti to 3080. Definitely, it's like a new computer. 5800x3d is insane if you can get it cheap (paid 230€ for mine). Great revisit, Steve!
3080 10GB? 😅😅
@@adi6293 ?
@@user-eq1rc5em4j??
I mean technically that is a different computer
230 € for 5800x3D? :o 300 € - the lowest price in my country right now.
And here I still running the original Zen Ryzen 5 1600.
Still using my 1600af and love it. Still runs everything I throw at it
Im also running a 1600 AF undervolted to 3.5GHz at 1.1200v. My max power consumption is 45w and my max temp in this summer that I have now(we have summer in december) is 55C in a 28C room (I have a coolermaster h410r cpu cooler). I still get 150 fps avg in cs 2 and dota 2 in 1080p with no fsr.
@@BladeCrew it's a champion CPU for sure. Got mine back in 21 for around 169aud. It's also summer for me now too. Stinking hot btw
@@DoomedGrindundervolt your cpu, I high recommend 1.1200v at 3.5ghz. It keeps the cpu cool during summer.
@@BladeCrew yup I do undervolt too but I'll try your setting as it sounds better, thanks 👍
I'm still rocking my R5 1600, non-AF and I've got to say, it does not leave performance on the plate. Provided, I overclocked it to it's uper limit down by the hundredths along the years, but as far as I'm concerned, my RX 6600 and 32GB DDR4 3600MHz kit has been used really well by it, be it gaming or productivity. I bought mine for 50 bucks (in my currency) brand new at the time, and I must say it has been worth every penny.
I'm on a 1600x and looking to upgrade, but my mobo is kind of meh and I'm worried about support 😅 hoping I can find a 3000 series used chip since that *should* work
boards made for 1000 series theoreticaly should have beefier vrms because the 1000 series had a higher power draw than everything else on am4.
only issue is the bios. however if your willing to, you can mod the bios to add support for unsupported cpus.
Just did upgrade in Black Friday from 5 2600 to 7 7800X3D. Lovely video.
Nice leap. I’m jumping from i5 3470 to r5 7600.
5800x3D such a beast of a chip
Seeing performance increases of 50% in games on the same socket is impressive when you go from *worst* first offering to *best* last offering, but seeing increases of over 150% going from best to best is just ridiculous and we'll probably never see that again. RIP AM4, you were legendary.
What is considered ridiculous nowadays is still below normal expectations in the late 90s and early 00s. Even Intel was convinced they would be selling 10 GHz CPU by 2005. Dennard scaling was the main driver of CPU progress, but it ended with the harbinger of stagnation called Cell processor in PS3. PS4 releasing with a weaker CPU than PS3 was the final kick in the guts.
Man I remember my first pc I built two weeks before the pandemic hit was with the r5 1600 af with an rog strix rx570 the whole build didn’t even break 450 dollars. Man prices were amazing before Covid hit.
I have my Amazon purchase history to always look back upon this moment hehe
going from 1700 to 5600x was good upgrade, i'll skip everytime 2 generations of cpu, but yeah compare them before deciding
Shocked this didn't include the 12600KF that's currently going for $150... which is kind-of nuts for what that CPU offers!
I couldn't get that deal in Ireland, add and 100 and change the currency to euro... Minimum 😢
12700K for 200 IMO is a better deal. Disable E-cores and HyperThreading, OC to 5.7-5.8 GHz and have a 5800X3D eater (no E-cores or HT means you're at like 150W peak power consumption as well).
@@GewelReal If by 58x3d eater you mean slower and use more power sure.
@@GewelReal If you say so. Pretty sure not having to OC or tweak anything and just dropping in a new CPU in the same socket and getting a +100% increase in total CPU game performance is superior than changing platforms just to achieve the same thing. :P
12700KF was $200 USD as well.
I built my first computer in early 2019 using the R5 2600x. Thank you so much for this video as I am one of the many that is looking to upgrade soon. 👍🏽
Did exactly this upgrade. The 2600x was solid in its day, the 5800X3D is just as tasty.
Could you please tell me what cooler are you using? I have 2600x and not sure if i have to buy a new cooler for 5800x3d.
I'm finally upgrading from a Ryzen 5 1600 to a 5600x3d this christmas! I honestly can't wait, but my 1600 has served me incredibly well. Ryzen as a platform has been a blessing for budget-focused mid-tier gamers like me.
whats your motherboard??
@@Corgi_Leonidas I got a microcenter bundle for $300 that included an Asus TUF b550 Plus II Wifi motherboard and 16 gigs 3200 ripjaws memory.
Would love to see context on how these CPU upgrade options scale when not using a top of the line modern GPU, which most people wouldn’t be when upgrading from something like a 2600x.
*Buys Crosshair VII x470 in 2018. Upgrades to 5800X3D in 2022. Still beating 14900K in games in 2023.*
I bought a 1600AF a little bit after watching your original coverage of it. Was able to snag it off Amazon for the $85 MSRP to replace the 2200G I originally built the system with. Ran it with the 1050Ti I started with for quite a while up until this past summer when I picked up a 3060. Still going strong for the stuff I play, and I'm sure I can get more from it if I need to with an overclock and some better cooling (currently still running the Wraith Stealth that came with it; does just fine for now). Gotta thank you for that original coverage you did on the AF, cause I wouldn't have known anything about it otherwise. Thanks to GN, my system's got plenty of life still left in it.
I used to have a 2600 overclocked to 4.1 Ghz allcore , then i got a nice deal for a 5600x and the difference was really big. 2600 was good, did a good job for a long time, but the 5600x was a major boost to gaming performance. Really happy. Easy PBO + CO tuning on the 5600x and it's working and working and working.
PS: For the 7800x3d you not only have to consider Motherboard prices, but DDR5 prices as well.
This video shows why you're the best channel on RUclips when it comes to PC hardware. Clear, concise, exhausitve, objective and you give credit where credit is due. Great job and thank you.
i really like you emphasizing not to upgrade if the performance is still good enough for one, even if the fancy numbers look great. i think it would be a great addition if you mention and link your "how to identity your bottleneck" video
I really appreciate you offering benchmarks in 1440p. Hardware Unboxed said I was uninformed for wanting to see 1440p and 4k. I just want to see all 3 data points. I know less than 3% of people play at 4k so you cant waste your time catering to me.
I got the 1600af, am4 mobo and 2x8gb ram for like 280$ or so, including the 20% VAT in Europe. Still using it to this day. Sadly, we can only dream for a deal like that nowadays.
I can't believe that you'd make a video so specific to my use case. I'd like to give credit to yourselves for providing useful content, rather than blame coincidence. Thank you so much!
been running my 2600x on first ever build back in 2018 and I'll forever love it for that Now that I'm in my second year of college looking to upgrade up to the 7800x3d. Super excited
I really like these kinds of videos. Until this week, I have been using a Ryzen 3700x for the last three years that I purchased used from eBay. I gave that system to my son who had been using a Intel 4790 system for the last six or seven years. I decided to go the same route and purchased a Ryzen 9 5900x paired to a Gigabyte B550I Pro AX motherboard, and I could not be happier!
I’m still using my 2600x that I got in 2018. I mostly just play RuneScape so I don’t need much compute power, and it’s been great for me. Also still rocking the rx580. I’ll probably finally bite the bullet within the next year and upgrade both, but I got at least 5 years of solid gaming out of my 2600x/rx580 that I spent a less than $300 on👍
We had two systems on the 2600 and 2600X. Upgraded to 5600 and 5800X last year. The 2600s live on in our media server and security camera system.
It's kind of crazy we are still using our original motherboards from 2018 in our main systems.
Recently upgraded from a OG R5 1600 to a 5800x3D to get more stable (and higher max) fps in PCVR titles. Really impressive how that plattform flies now, everything feels super snappy and my 1% low frame times are within 20% of the average fps now, while before in CPU demanding titles like Cyberpunk near release I could never go over 45fps no matter the graphics settings and Starfield feeling pretty wobbly outside small maps due to the unstable frame times.
What impressive me the most was how incredibly fast Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires map was doing it's endturn. Yeah, min-fps is super high now and the image feels way more stable and smooth, but those turn times!
Still running the 2600x @4,15GHz, good enough for 1080p. I'd obviously love to get an 5700X3D but it's still 350 euro on the second hand market. If the 2600x cost me 120 euro it's a nonsense to pay more than 2x what I originally paid for the R5 in relation to performance so I'll wait. Great insight as always tho!
nice review
I started with a 2700x $135 black friday deal to replace my 7yr old 2700k. I then proceeded to build 4x 1600AF $85 builds on open box B450 Tomahawk boards($75) to replace a bunch of other aging systems for Media and Family PC's. Then over the next year built a few more for family and replaced even the garage PC hardware with AM4. All 9 now have 5000 series CPU's and RDNA2 GPU's except the garage has a GTX1080 for 2560x1080p 60hz vsync on.
I did sell off all my 1600AF about a year ago as I came across 3600/3700x used deals and finally 5600,5600x,5700x,5800x,5900x cpus that all bought 2nd hand/open box.
AM4 has been fun and plan to run most all of these for another 3-5yrs. I have never replaced so many CPU's without board replacement. Some of my systems saw 4 different CPU's as I played hardware musical chairs in the house.
3950x vs 5950x vs 7950x is an interesting one that puts the cost vs blender gains in the realm of borderline why bother given current GPU prices, esp the latter one given the motherboard and ram upgrade requirements.
I do appreciate the testing none the less, thanks Steve and Crew. B)
It would be cool to see a revisit of the apu's from am4. I feel like i never see them in the CPU comparisons. With how cheap they are now i think it only makes sense to include them in. The ryzen 5700g is a beast of an apu.
They don't show them on CPU charts cause of being to similar to non-APU variants. But true, a iGPU tests of APUs would be nice, thou wait till AM5 ones will get releases next year.
Around 6:25, you mentioned an upgrade to the R7 5800X3D as nearly doubling "assuming your GPU can keep up".
On thing I've always wondered with most of these tests is: when I'm either upgrading my computer or building new, how to I balance that? Most charts I see (among all tech RUclips reviews) show every CPU paired with the 4090. I currently have a 1070Ti paired with a 6600k, so it's starting to show its age, but when I'm exploring budgets for a new build, I'm not sure how much to allocate to the GPU.
My current debate is pairing a 7600 with a 5600X3D, and have seen bundles for the 7800X3D for
Pick a game and check GPU chart at desired resolution. Let’s say you see a GPU “Voodoo 3” delivering 150fps at that resolution. To pick a CPU that will not bottleneck the Voodoo 3, now check CPU chart in the same game. The CPU has to be able to deliver at least 150fps at low resolution.
That’s why CPU charts are done at low resolution with a top video card. This way you can compare CPU performance. Otherwise you run the risk of being bottlenecked by the GPU and see no differences between the CPUs being tested.
great video, been watching your videos on ihs relidding recently and they are helpful.
Been using a Ryzen 5 2600 for some time now... Was thinking about upgrading to a 5800x3d, and this video is exactly what I needed.
I'm buying a 5800X3D with my next GPU! Gotta love AM4
I bought the 2600 about 3 years ago when it was $110. It was a great deal and is still going strong. I recently built a new PC with a R5 5500/Rx 6700xt/32g ram. And at $100 the 5500 is such an underrated cpu. It pairs really well with the 6700xt running 1440p at 75hz. I would have loved to have seen the 5500 on these charts especially given the $100 price point. Great vid as usual though.