An important point is the fact Naruto did NOT beat pain. He lost and was about to be killed before Hinata and Kurama saved him. At the end he fought an exusted yahiko pain after Naruto recoved The feats of sage naruto are mainly beating kurama, and that's really hard to understand bc of the help he got help from kushina and B
If kurama didn't get in the way with toad sync , Naruto wouldn't be out of sage mode . Pain and Naruto both wasn't at best . Naruto not able to sync with toad , lessen his clones and limited sage mode .
All I want to say is that the sannin are NOT equals. At best they were equal during the 3 way dead lock and equals during the 2nd war. There isn't a single point in the series after or before those 2 times where they are equal
THANK YOU ❤ sage naruto is getting downplayed a lot these days by people like loko and dygoknight thanks for giving my boy naruto the credit he deserves
@@Mochaherrera909 what are you talking about? Pain fought sage Naruto till the sage jutsu was depleted. Then fought the 2 extra sage recharges till they ran out. Pain wasn't dying at all. However, he had used up a lot of Chakra. Naruto stood no chance with Pain. And you're right, Naruto had intel, had 6 toads, Minato, his gf, all of Konoha, the hokage, Kakashi and the 9 tails to his aid. And still lost
@@Podcast_in_the_Car he means that by the time naruto arrived "pain" or actually nagato was dying to overusage of rinnegan so much so that he was puking blood already when hinata joined the battle nagato is not madara but like kakashi, he can't use rinnegan to it's fullpower and using it shortens his life By the time naruto joined the fight Nagato was tired to damaging levels, his pain bodies just don't show any such signs because they are corpses
Definitely got some things I don’t agree with but cool video. Glad to see people discussing Naruto. Been tryna start my own channel for this. Any advice? And if you wouldn’t mind what program do you use? I like your editing
10:00 The Toad Confrontation Chant taxes their vocal chords, not the Frog Call, they are separate jutsu, and the latter has no such insintuations that it significantly wears them out. They were going to use the Toad Confrontation Chant later in the fight before Pain killed Fukasaku, even. Fukasaku is also stated to be the strongest toad, which would make him stronger than Gamabunta, who can hold off Ichibi for a time, so he is likely more than enough for Darui. 11:00 That is not Water Release. It is actually his tongue manipulated similarly to Shima, the anime animated it wrong. An additional note toward Gaara is that the sand has shown multiple times not to be able to keep up with massive expansion, be it Naruto summoning Gamabunta or Madara activating his Susanoo, so Naruto's ability to use toads (as he did with Gamabunta) should overwhelm it if he is surrounded. It is arguable that Mei mostly just used the Lava Release to force Sasuke into an isolated corridor to use Boil Release rather than trying to kill Sasuke with it directly. In the war it seemed to keep pace with A, showing it is likely faster than it was in the summit, but even that level of speed is still able to be dodged via danger sense, of course. Sasuke is not fatigued when he engages Danzō. He was healed before Obito released him. Danzō's combination Wind Release attack was peeling away the Humanoid Susanoo and was implied to be able to let him pierce through the skeleton underneath with a kunai if Sasuke did not interrupt it, and the Susanoo is an ultimate defense, potentially much more durable than Sage Mode, so I would not say Danzō is incapable of hurting Naruto. Feel like the Sannin ≈ Gokage statement should have been brought up as it further illustrates Naruto as two tiers above the summit.
Yall Be Buggin Tsunade No Where near the strongest out of the 3!!! she got whooped by NERD KABUTO!! KID NARUTO Had To Save Her smh wtf yall be smokin.. orochimaru beat the 3rd hokage and fought nine tail cloak naruto stop it
I think naruto sage mode and Jiraiya' sage mode is almost equal. The only downside when he fought pain is he does bot have the info how to fight pain. If he knows pain's power he has a chance to beat pain. Pain also said that they are lucky that Jiraiya does not know their power
@@emadahmed7145 you under estimate Jiraiya too much. Many people over-hyped itachi but under estimate Jiraiya.. Look at how Kashin Koji fights in Boruto you will see how powerfull Jiraiya can be
@@emadahmed7145 the glazed. What were you watching? Tendo pain can't block Sage naruto's punches while sage jraiya's punch was blocked by tendo effortlessly. 🙄
19:44 no he used flight speed to dodge Chidori Spear. And Deidara isn't slower than Ohnoki in his fight he keeps up fine and Deidara even says Ohnoki is faster than he used to be. This is also a weaker Edo body and I know it's flight speed but it should be pointed out
Why is Naruto always wanked to the max but sasuke always get lowballed and downplayed? Realistically PAIN ARC sage Naruto doesn’t even make it past the raikage lol. Now if this was war arc sage Naruto than I could slightly agree more with the video.
Danzō Shimura alone is cooking Naruto. First off, Obito stated that Danzō can take control of Kurama since he combined Senju and Uchiha DNA which is why they never met. Add that with Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami, higher intellect, better wind release, wood release, Uzumaki fūinjutsu, Baku, etc., and wtf can Naruto do?
That’s not Danzo that’s an oc you made up and they aren’t comparable in terms of stats outside of arguably speed and with Ma and Pa there Koto is a waste of chakra. Naruto can also react to anything Danzo throws at him, and outside of that vacuum jutsu in tandem with his summon Danzo probably can’t hurt Sage Mode Naruto either. Only thing arguably beyond his reaction is the respawn of Izanagi.
@@marvelrocks27didnt baby obito managed to summon kurama out of kushina, then again she was extremely exhausted. One could argue a sharingan user could summon bijuu out of a jinchuriki after they heavily damaged the host
@@romusa10 It took Obito hours to extract Kurama from Kushina and only once the seal was weakened from childbirth. I think it is stated somewhere Obito chose Kushina's due date as the time to unleash the nine tails specifically because he knew the seal would be weak.
3 vids in a week? Shit I'm sweatin from how much consistent heat be coming out this channel, boy got his hands on a flamethrower or something. Only disagreed with Naruto possibly losing to Onoki since Sage Naruto>Peak Sannin~Hiruzen>the 5 Kage, one of those 5 at the time being Onoki so he should just be a little too fast for him. I do agree he's the strongest of the current 5 though. Otherwise yeah Naruto with the same amount of prep as the Pain fight solos the summit and people gonna stay mad about it😂😂
@@bigredog100 You are aware that the reanimations are not at full power right? Additionally Naruto looked at that scar and he was able to ask that rubber guy how he got that scar and make an estimation of how he potentially got it with the fourth there would be none of that that wouldn't be anyone he could grab Intel from plus he would be at full power because he's not a reanimation.
@@SasukeY2JItachi Naruto wasn’t at all trying to harm the Raikage in KCM1 though 🤔 meanwhile Raikage (by the time Naruto actually starts trying) is actually resolved to killing Naruto to avoid him going to the war?
@@SasukeY2JItachito be fair raikage still has the killing intent and Kabuto is controlling him, I do think sage mode naruto can put up a fight since he outsmart the raikage. we saw sm naruto perform better than early kcm too (mind u it was a clone) with the summoning I think sm naruto can beat him
Also Sage Naruto Is Way Stronger Than THAT Sasuke.. yall talking like Sasuke getting zenkai boost and shit.. he had help at the summit or he wouldve been dead including his susano sooo acting like he was keeping up or reacting because a few times he wasnt
Sage Naruto is NOT way stronger. Sasuke is literally getting stronger during the entire summit and it is his first real fight since recovering from the battle of brothers? You’re on about Sasuke having three people help him when each kage had two attendants plus samurai back up? He’s literally at a disadvantage the entire time, and his few fair fights against A and Danzo, he pretty much wins the exchange. At the very least, he and A would’ve stalemated and Danzo was defeated. At 17. Naruto fought a pain who had battled the entire leaf village, also had various people help him, and still technically lost. Sasuke had the harder battle and back to back. Naruto and Sasuke are relatives. Always are meant to be. Cry to Kishi about it
Honestly for me it has never made any sense that SM Naruto was an "equal" to MS Sasuke at all, for me all the fights Sasuke had and already being more powerful than all the Kage (except maybe for Onoki but Sasuke was wasted already and had a closed place disadvantage that made the particle style a sure hit) it's more impressive than Naruto being below Pain but winning because of the Nine Tails and then beating a wasted Tendo just in the nick of time And Sasuke's endurance even being wasted is nonsense and absurd and the worst is he just becomes stronger by every minute and fight, if we put them in a fight Sasuke destroys his summonings with Amaterasu, Naruto can't get past Sasuke's Susanoo save for maybe an Odama Rasengan barrage, and Sasuke can get him done with Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu or maybe Susanoo's arrows, for me it's a mid-diff fight Sasuke just have better feats and abilities, he's physically weaker but speed relative, crazy endurance while Naruto has a sm limit, power buffs, and crazy hax one-shot and defensive abilities, the only way I can see Sasuke losing if he gets caught in the singing genjutsu That being said, SM Naruto is also definitely stronger than the 5k at least with it's summonings for sure, but I think Danzo can win because of Izanagi, Sasuke had Susanoo to protect himself from Danzo's attacks specially the first one which is the real surprise attack, I don't think Naruto would see it coming and just gets stabbed, but if he fights with his summonings and he's in the top of them Danzo won't be able to pull the revival and strike surprise
@@Virhtuelol you literally comparing some1 who toasted naruto and his whole village 😂 naruto lost kyuubi n 4th came clutch only for nagato to give up naruto was washed your analysis is flawed😂
@@rolion4424 so firstly how does deidara beat ay who is stronger than ms sasuke🤣 and ay would outlast itachi and win. For sm naruto he faster physically than ms sasuke stronger and can dish out multiple powerful attacks on the other hand what is an issue for sm naruto would be the amaterasu and it's speed but if naruto is able to dodge it which it's not farfetched it's a win for sm naruto. And don't say sm runs out blah blah blah the only reason naruto ran out was becuz he was fighting 6paths of pain and mind you one could absorb and the other could deflect rasenshuriken but ms sasuke can't do this.
@@rolion4424 The reason I say sm naruto is faster is becuz when he first took out the asura path if check in the manga he was at a far distance ,far enough that gamabunta seemed small and we know how big he is thus why tje asura pain could not dodge because the other pain paths didn't expect that significant boost in speed;this speed surpasses ms sasuke physical speed(not reaction or perception speed)
@@erosannin97ay isn't as strong as his father , and his rasengan still broke through it he just regenerated too quick ay doesn't have regen so naruto can damage him just probably not one hit
@@erosannin97Sasuke's chidori broke through it first try Lol 4th got nothing on the 3rd in terms of power. Not to mention that wasn't even the real Naruto that fought the third as it was a shadow clone. Ya boi still getting clapped
@@coolunusuallmao. Sasuke touching ay with the point of his fingers is barely anything to talk about. Did you somehow forget or not watch the part where Kurama Chakra Mode Naruto hits third raikage with a rasen shuriken POINT BLANK and Raikage literally just gets back up. So what’s your point again)
He did actually, with the Rasenshuriken, but it didn't do much lasting damage since the Edo tensei regenerated all of the damage. Naruto had to use the third's own attack against him to damage him heavily enough to Immobilize him for the alliance to seal him.
Also, would you ever do a video where you rank the Gokage (Part 1 Kage and Pre War Arc Kage, so Hiruzen, Danzo, Rasa, Gaara, Yagara, Mei, Ohnoki, and 4th Raikage Aye) alongside the Sannin (Oro, Jiraiya, and Tsunade)? I feel like the two groups get compared to one another a lot and i think it'd make for an interesting video.
So this is a real possibility, I do have a ranking every kage planned so I could always talk about those three as they were constantly considered supplementary, I did do a gokage vs sannin video back in the day
about sage naruto being superior to sage Jiraya (which is true) the extent of the superiority isnt as big as u portrayed´, since Pain had fought multiple opponent before encountering Naruto, not only that, he used shinra tensei, which meant that his power overall wasnt as higher as it could've been when he fought.
I'm guessing you forgot danzo has shisui's eye he would shit himself if he seen sage Naruto he would just use the eye on him. I believe the only reason he didn't use it on Sasuke was because he wanted to use it on Madara. I could be wrong but you kind of forgot about the eye
18:39 or you could just point out that Pa's water style is higher than Mei. And Chojuro is compared to a CLONE. Not even the actual Naruto without his chakra divided. Stop replying on "he would just dodge it"
Even Obito told Sasuke that Naruto was far more powerful than him at this point in the story none of the 5 kages had a asnwer for nagato Sasuke at this point was the 3rd strongest under nagato and Naruto
I would say the biggest issue for Naruto would be surviving Ohnoki's Particle Style. Since he won't have Obito to save him and I think it would be questionable if Fukasaku could reverse Summon Naruto out the Cube in time, especially if he's busy fighting Mei and the Kage Aids.
naruto and pa should be able to sense it coming considering sage mode reaction speed is higher than kcm1's and kcm1 speed should be a whole league above a fatigued sasuke's.
A lot of people don't take into account battle IQ, which Sasuke is has more than almost any other ninja other than Itachi, while Jiraiya got killed for valuable info he knew Naruto wouldn't be able to figure out himself
the writers basically nerfed Sasuke with stamina because imagine what he could do if he figured out every opponent in 5 minutes while having a great chakra reserve
15:00 he would make a clone wall shield like he did in the Storm 2 Sasuke boss fight! He does it a lot in the Storm games but not that much in the manga or anime..
Liked the vid, but I gotta ask: do you make a script for videos like this? Presentation needs a bit of work, and a script might help as you get used to it.
I script all my videos but with the 17/18 hour editing sessions I blow through my recordings due to being tired sometimes. And I also just write instead of sleeping so I end up mistyping certain parts
What healthy itachi really mean tho? Sometimes I believe the itachi interaction of "healthy" is the one who faced Kakashi in Konoha, he used a reversal genjutsu, a suit on, a kagebunshin, two tsukuyomi and an Amaterasu. Pretty good, I would say.
I’d say sage naruto with ma and pa is just under the six paths of pain in terms of power unless if you factor in Kurama. I do think Naruto thrives fighting multiple enemies compared to Sasuke, though, with his summons and clones and far higher chakra pool. That said, I don’t see Naruto winning this gauntlet without Kurama’s help… at least, maybe he’d win 5, lose 5 out of 10, whereas Sasuke would’ve and should’ve d**d several times during those fights.
At the end of the day Naruto is the main character he was literally made to be the most favorite character for the majority of the fan base, so glazing him is expected. Pain vs Naruto was a epic fight but Pain would have destroyed the village and killed Naruto if wasn't for Kurama coming to his rescuse. The kages would wash sage Naruto!! (Until Kurama steps in that is) The 5kage vs Madara wasnt close but they did put up a good fight and sage Naruto isn't even on base Madara lvl.... Imagine the kages going in hard like they did vs Madara.... Sage Naruto would get azz blown out... Again until Kurama steps in...
5:42 hiruzen was holding back against oruchimaru 6:09 sasuke was fatigue that time 13:05 that arm also produces chakra for him as it has the chakra network too 14:35 you forgot pain was heavily fatigue 15:10 Gaara's sand was as fast as raikaga and Naruto would be barely be able to dodge it, he wouldn't be able to dodge three at a time
People are extremely disingenuous when it comes to Naruto and sasukes statments at the end of the summit. We cant just pretend sasuke isn’t literally blind at the time of his statment saying he needs Itachi’s eyes to crush Naruto. I believe sasuke was genuinely more concerned about his vision more than anything. This interpretation is actually a little more valid than sasuke needing more power to face Naruto. Because If he wasn’t blind and so fatigued then I’m 100% sure sasuke would’ve fought Naruto right then and there. Naruto’s statment is a little different because he doesn’t need to master kuramas chakra for something like vision. No he’s just straight up saying he needs more power in order to face sasuke. If he was talking about overcoming hatred then that’s what he would have said. Kishimoto literally words it as “I need to master the kyuubi’s CHAKRA”. Not over come its hatred to save sasuke. Thats kind of a stretch. And lowkey sounds like cope to me lol.
He literally said if they fought right now, as in "with all of the new powers they've recently gained" they'd both die. Blind Sasuke beating sage Naruto is laughable so clearly Naruto was referring to a non blind Sasuke here. So in order to beat him without killing him he would need kurama. There's no way the narrative of the story was trying to depict blind sasuke >= sage Naruto. If u think that was kishis intention then you are either Sasuke biased or bad at grasping a writer's intent. If it's the latter I hope u stick to shonen cuz you'd really struggle to grasp more adult literature.
@@DarkKnight1243 yeah this is exactly what I mean by fans being disingenuous. Naruto is talking about a hypothetical battle between them in the FUTURE... Why on earth would Naruto be talking about a fight with a blind and fatigued sasuke? Obviously sasuke would be recovered and at full power the next time they meet from Naruto’s perspective… but And speaking of perspective Naruto makes this statment with the intention of mastering the kyuubi’s chakra. So he isn’t even referring to his current self either when he’s talking about he and sasukes hypothetical future battle.
@@Jsipki265 definitely not him I hate clickbait and “5 things you never knew” swag is definitely better then 6 but a lot of there arguments don’t makes mess and I’ve straight watched 2 videos back to back were they say something different then what they just said in their last video.
no he didn't what naruto said is that he is stronger than when he fought pain meaning his chakra mode is stronger than sage mode which is a no brainer eigherway
@@Limbou. no it's not it just has a few tricks that CM doesn't have like natural avareness but it's weaker overall, CM naruto is stronger many times faster than sage naruto and isn't on a time limit like sage naruto Every new form of naruto is stronger than the one before, that's the whole point of getting upgrades
This is ridiculous 1. Jiraya stopped firing senbon not because he can't penetrate it infinitely, but because there's no point in attacking after element of surprise is gone. If he keeps firing trying to brake the panda pain will move locations or other pains will atack Jiraya. Why would Jiraya risk his life attempting to brake through the Panda in a matter of seconds hoping Pain is still in position to get hit? He would never. Thus he stopped and reassesed the situation after suprise attack failed 2. Claiming Naruto no contact punch is stronger that Giant Sage Rasengan from Jiraya, based on the very uncertain assumption of Pain catching and tanking the rassngan with his bare hands is gotta be the worst take I've ever heard. And comparing Pain that fought Naruto and Jiraya isn't fair as well. Pain that fought Naruto was not at full capacity, he was as stated by Konan "unusually slowly recovering"
Full capacity? More like Pain's shinra tensei is just on "cooldown" lmao. And even after he got his "full capacity" you say, naruto still beat him 1v1 in the end.
@@bandai7602 it's not just cooldown for Tendo. Conan stated all Pains are recovering "slower than last time this jutsu was used" Straight up stating they're not at full capacity, and weakened post massive Shinra Tensei Naruto only beat Tendo 1v1 later, because Nagato was already at his limit after fighting the entire village, using massive Shinra Tensei, fighting Prepped Sage Naruto+Toads, fighting Ninetails and using Chibaku Tensei at last. It all exhausted him and Sage Naruto was able to beat him for that reason
Still doesn’t debunk the fact that Naruto is better than Jiraya at sage mode, has more chakra reserves, and overall did better than his master agaisnt the same opponent. 1v6. Using nothing but their powers and summoning to try and beat pain.
@@zoden6305 Naruto is stronger than Jiraya , but not by as much as this author said. Bro said Naruto's sage chakra punch is stronger than Jiraya's massive Rasengan. Low iq
ok but if their powers are both "ever growing" and Naruto is stated stronger at one point would that not mean that while Sasuke is getting stronger so is Naruto meaning Naruto would still be objectivity stronger
I wouldn’t see it that, Naruto from pain to 5 Kage summit wasn’t undergoing the same growth changes sasuke was, sasuke was constantly going through susano and chakra changes while Naruto during that arc was admitting to not training his sage mode as much as he wanted to.
@@Virhtue maybe we watched different flights. At was whooping Sasuke and would have killed him, the only saving grace for Sasuke was his black flame control. ( I forgot the name). Also Naruto never penetrated the third lightning cloak. Sasuke was always shown to be faster than Naruto up to this point. Ay would be too fast and too strong for Sage Naruto.
@@Virhtue the raikage is at this point the fastest thing Naruto had ever faced. If he only just got past the raikage while in kcm, what sense does it make that a slower version of Naruto get close to A, a is stronger than Bee. No way you’re e sage mode Naruto is beating bee and 8 tails.
@@Virhtue also, i think you’re over hyping sasuke performance at the summit the truth is he was getting rolled by each Kage he met and if not for zestsu he would have died.
Naruto CAN block the wide scale attacks from gaara and group. Oodama Rasengan. Just counter qith your own jutsu. If he pulls outnrasemshuriken its literally over for them.
Idk if youve already done this. But you should make a OROCHIMARU VS. SM NARUTO Edit: i just looked it up on youtube. No one has done this. Capitalize on it. Get sage of thick calves or dygoknight in there. Fuck it. Do both. That video will go CRAZY
No bro you arewrong sage naruto can Not beat the raikage, He got only 10 min or 2 rasenshuriken shots and can use only 5 clones, hewould defend himself well but after 10 Mi He is done
@@Virhtue sage naruto is at a v1speed (like 3rd raikage), v2 He can react but Not keep up, this means He wont be able to Hit him with a rasenshuriken because of the speedgab and because He can use only 3 clones. Raikage will outlast him and if He looses the sage mode he in done in a sec
HONESTLY THIS WAS DISAPPOINTING. I saw the title and thought, Naruto clears this easily. BUT THEN I heard the reasoning and found WAYYYYY TOO MANY FLAWS to accept your reasoning. 1. You said Sage Naruto broke through the 3rd Raikage’s Chackra clock and broke his arm. WRONG. Even the RasenShuriken had no effect against the lighting clock. What Naruto did was hit his arm in the exact spot where it would cause his arm to redirect into his own chest. NARUTO COULD NOT HURT HIM. And he only thought of the plan because of the info the 8 Tails was giving him. In A 2v1 Aye and Gaara clap Sage Mode Naruto… … 2. You said Ma and Pa would use their frog song??? Bruhhh not once has Naruto ever summoned them. Can he? Not without a summoning contract… Which he only has with Ganabunta… Also Ma and Pa SHOWED US that they CANNOT stand on his shoulders due to the nine tails power pushing them off. Meaning for the frog dance charge up. (If we pretend Naruto can summon them. He can’t) they’d be sitting ducks… … 3. You said Naruto could summon all the toads to squish them… but failed to mention if the room isn’t big enough either the frogs pop and go poof or the building gets destroyed…. The building didn’t even fall from the Susanoo breaking its pillars which means the frogs go poof upon being summoned… They don’t just squish if the room is too small… … That’s as far as I made it into the video… you were cherry-picking scans from the manga that matched what you were saying BUT withheld the very next pages if they contradicted what you were saying…
Naruto sage mode getting Cooked pain was a kage level threat and Naruto basically lost and got pinned.. Nine tails Naruto cooks though. If Naruto give into the rage and goes nine tails then he wins. Naruto at that point didn’t master kCM
Kakashi is easily Kage level during the pain invasion. Then there's Kage level, which you can argue is Sanin tier. Then you have above Sanin with people like Itachi and Pain. While there's more arguments to make, I'd say this is pretty reasonable, meaning Sage Naruto could obviously be Kage level whilst still being stomped by Pain
I feel like the "Pain is faster than Jiraiya" point is what I disagree with the most here. Anytime Pain reacts to Jiraiya's attacks, it's specifically shown to be due to the shared vision of the Paths. Even when he has his punch blocked in the smoke, the manga goes out of the way to show you that the Paths could still see them. And I think this is especially shown to be true when Jiraiya is able to blitz and kick the Summon Path before he is able to get a summong jutsu off, despite already having the handsign made before Jiraiya moves in to strike. Whereas earlier, this same Path was able to react to Jiraiya's fastest jutsu with a summoning and it's made clear that this is due to the shared vision of the Paths of Pain. And we even see this with Naruto specifically when one of the Paths is evading his strikes because of the shared vision of the Paths But yea TL;DR: I dont think Pain is faster than Jiraiya
Naruto dont stand a chance if its sage mode only because Raikage is too fast for Sage Naruto to handle.The chidori couldnt peirce Raikage body then Rasengan dont work on Raikage.Then Raikage liger bomb is too dangerous for Naruto.Rasenshuriken can be easily dodged by Raikage and Raikage peirce Jugo who is also a sagemode.
I didn't watched but I hope you did't somehow found a way to say that naruto could do anything against the 5 kage with sage mode LMFAO Literally gets solo killed by raikage.
@@___________0Z0X rasenshuriken and danger sensing i know those are abilities from sage naruto. Ay can gets lighter and faster by ohnki amp which he doesnt need because ay at top speed would blitz naruto reactions. ay at top speed outpaced the sharingan field of vision naruto is not that fast to outpace a sharingan field of vision. Ay moved so fast he also dodged amterastu which ignities in the line of sight all sasuke has to do is look at you amterastu is on you ay perception dodged it and completely outspeed the sharingan Sage Mode is also slower unless you can prove sage mode is stronger kr faster than Kcm you would have to prove that. Burden of proof is on you
Dude,naruto won against pain because mostly cause of Jiraiya's Intel he shared on intel corps! Without it naruto may had been defeated cause naruto doesnt know how to counter each pain
Naruto Sage Mode is strong but going against the 5 Kage is no good Cause if Raikage can take a amaterasu than he can probably take a double rassagen just saying and plus Sasuke had switched his chakra/amaterasu form outside his Susano.
Yeah and that's a loss of a lot of chakra and his body will get damaged like the third raikage and the damage affect the chakra network which weakens him more.
Lvl Naruto (a more powerful version of Naruto) had to exert himself to evade the raikage I don’t think he’s blocking him in regular sage mode. Naruto has zero defense for particle style,
Fugusaku/Pa's Statement is directly contradicted and proven to be incorrect because Sage Naruto with Intel and help from the entire village still couldn't defeat a highly fatigued Pain...... Whereas Pain said that Jiraiya would have won with Intel..... So its blatantly clear that Sage Jiraiya was still superior to Sage Naruto.... A much more consistent interpretation of Naruto "surpassing his predecessors" is that Narutos sage mode mastery surpassed that of Jiraiya/Minato... same situation as to when Naruto creayed the rasenshuriken and Kakashi said that Naruto surpassed Minato and himself... Kakashi was clearly talking about the Rasenshuriken jutsu surpassing them, not Naruto himself...
@@Virhtue it really doesn't though... Pain said that Jiraiya would have won with Intel... Jiraiya incapacitated and effortlessly killed 3 paths of pain with the frog song at which point he thought he had defeated Pain and then dropped his guard leading to his defeat... Jiraiya didn't even know that there was 3 more paths of Pain... had he known there was 3 more paths he wouldn't have dropped his guard and he would've continued using frog song to kill them all.... Frog song just has to be within listening distance and it can trap everyone that hears it... it's the most powerful Genjutsu... Imagine if he knew all of their abilities amd had the whole village helping him like Naruto did, Jiraiya would have killed all the paths low diff and bought everyone some ichiraku ramen afterwards lol
pain was nerfed due to the hidden rain's surroundings and unwillingness to destroy the village to beat jiraya. pa literally saw jiraya fight while in sage mode with help from ma with himself, only contradiction is him saying naruto surpassing minato. also naruto literally masters sage mode, which jiraya didn't plus he had the advantage of having ma and pa fused with him to increase his stats.
@@aymanriki1018 pain was not nerfed against Jiraiya because he didn't wanna destroy the village, that's an absolutely delusional take/narrative, pure nonsense... he didn't have to destroy the village to defeat Jiraiya or Naruto, pain destroying the leaf village wasn't the cause of Narutos defeat... Pain was at full power and Jiraiya didn't have any knowledge about Pain.... he didn't even know how many paths there were, if Jiraiya had that info he would have won 💯 Fusing with Ma and pa doesn't increase his stats, they're just gathering nature energy for him and they can do the frog song genjutsu... Sage mode increases his stats. Endless nature energy enhances all of his ninjutsu into senjutsu and gives him endless stamina...
An important point is the fact Naruto did NOT beat pain. He lost and was about to be killed before Hinata and Kurama saved him. At the end he fought an exusted yahiko pain after Naruto recoved
The feats of sage naruto are mainly beating kurama, and that's really hard to understand bc of the help he got help from kushina and B
If kurama didn't get in the way with toad sync , Naruto wouldn't be out of sage mode . Pain and Naruto both wasn't at best .
Naruto not able to sync with toad , lessen his clones and limited sage mode .
All I want to say is that the sannin are NOT equals. At best they were equal during the 3 way dead lock and equals during the 2nd war. There isn't a single point in the series after or before those 2 times where they are equal
Thank you.
Oro > jiraiya > Tsuna
@Ralffy1 jiraiya is the weakest one. I hate to be the one to tell you what somebody else should've told you but it's orochimaru > tsunade > jiraiya
@@ShonenGoonFR
@@Ralffy1Tsunade over Jiraiya
THANK YOU ❤ sage naruto is getting downplayed a lot these days by people like loko and dygoknight thanks for giving my boy naruto the credit he deserves
Nobody listens to Loko tho
@@DT25659 Chill on the Loko hate both of you. Dygoknight is actually horrible tho fr
He stil looses to the raikage
@@distraityti agree he is what would happen if a sasuke fanboy got a youtube channel
@@iliebalica4012 No raikage lets destroyed
7:43 that pic of Naruto is cold af
True
The man, the myth, the legend has created more fire ❤
Thanks king
been killin it with these recent vids bro 💯
Appreciate it king
Pain was stronger than Naruto.
Pain didn't fight 1v1 with Naruto,
Pain fought the whole Konoha
Pain was almost alr dying when fighting a fresh sage mode Naruto and Naruto had intel on Pain
@@Mochaherrera909 what are you talking about?
Pain fought sage Naruto till the sage jutsu was depleted.
Then fought the 2 extra sage recharges till they ran out.
Pain wasn't dying at all.
However, he had used up a lot of Chakra. Naruto stood no chance with Pain.
And you're right, Naruto had intel, had 6 toads, Minato, his gf, all of Konoha, the hokage, Kakashi and the 9 tails to his aid. And still lost
@@Podcast_in_the_Car he means that by the time naruto arrived "pain" or actually nagato was dying to overusage of rinnegan so much so that he was puking blood already when hinata joined the battle
nagato is not madara but like kakashi, he can't use rinnegan to it's fullpower and using it shortens his life
By the time naruto joined the fight Nagato was tired to damaging levels, his pain bodies just don't show any such signs because they are corpses
Definitely got some things I don’t agree with but cool video. Glad to see people discussing Naruto. Been tryna start my own channel for this. Any advice? And if you wouldn’t mind what program do you use? I like your editing
Go for it! I use a lot of different things, tho I would recommend any pc program like AE or Premiere Pro
Happy to see such a well edited and thought out video on a smaller channel ngl I thought you were six for a second ngl 😂
I wish, but nah Six sounds way deeper than me💀
@@Virhtue it was more I assumed that six had a guest and I just missed the intro 😂
Saying ay is fast with only 1 arm because of the weigjt loss is wild😂😂
He has less chakra so he is probably slower.
@@newtype79 loss in chakra quantity doesn't always=decrease in stats it's only if you can prove that it affects ays chakra control
To be fair u have it alongside three other favored to aid in a speed increase without bringing up a renewal or wills
we literally see that weight does affect speed through ohnoki's light boulder jutsu so this isnt a bad justification
Lol🤡@@aymanriki1018
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The Toad Confrontation Chant taxes their vocal chords, not the Frog Call, they are separate jutsu, and the latter has no such insintuations that it significantly wears them out. They were going to use the Toad Confrontation Chant later in the fight before Pain killed Fukasaku, even. Fukasaku is also stated to be the strongest toad, which would make him stronger than Gamabunta, who can hold off Ichibi for a time, so he is likely more than enough for Darui.
11:00
That is not Water Release. It is actually his tongue manipulated similarly to Shima, the anime animated it wrong.
An additional note toward Gaara is that the sand has shown multiple times not to be able to keep up with massive expansion, be it Naruto summoning Gamabunta or Madara activating his Susanoo, so Naruto's ability to use toads (as he did with Gamabunta) should overwhelm it if he is surrounded.
It is arguable that Mei mostly just used the Lava Release to force Sasuke into an isolated corridor to use Boil Release rather than trying to kill Sasuke with it directly. In the war it seemed to keep pace with A, showing it is likely faster than it was in the summit, but even that level of speed is still able to be dodged via danger sense, of course.
Sasuke is not fatigued when he engages Danzō. He was healed before Obito released him.
Danzō's combination Wind Release attack was peeling away the Humanoid Susanoo and was implied to be able to let him pierce through the skeleton underneath with a kunai if Sasuke did not interrupt it, and the Susanoo is an ultimate defense, potentially much more durable than Sage Mode, so I would not say Danzō is incapable of hurting Naruto.
Feel like the Sannin ≈ Gokage statement should have been brought up as it further illustrates Naruto as two tiers above the summit.
Yall Be Buggin Tsunade No Where near the strongest out of the 3!!! she got whooped by NERD KABUTO!! KID NARUTO Had To Save Her smh wtf yall be smokin.. orochimaru beat the 3rd hokage and fought nine tail cloak naruto stop it
Except that she was heavily nerfed during that fight and severely out of practice
Who’s gonna stop this man from getting Ws???
Ima have to intervene atp
Nobody
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Danzō. People let hate blind then to how powerful he was. They had to use plot armor to make the stars align in order for Sasuke to beat him smfh.
I can't help but laugh at the thought of Naruto sexy jutsuing Onoke 😂
Bloody nose Ohnoki like Hiruzen in part one
It would probably work lol.
The downplay of team garra is criminal
gaara is just deidara lvl, whose barely hebi sasuke lvl. gaara's the strongest of the 3 and kankuro is ass, naruto stomps
@@aymanriki1018 garra should be above deidara here and don’t sleep on temari.
Never downplay in my videos
@@kellofkells6002But I love sleeping on my waifu Tamari.😭
@@aymanriki1018Naruto is a bad match up for kankuro he have nothing to counter poison he maybe stronger but abilities defines them
I think naruto sage mode and Jiraiya' sage mode is almost equal. The only downside when he fought pain is he does bot have the info how to fight pain. If he knows pain's power he has a chance to beat pain. Pain also said that they are lucky that Jiraiya does not know their power
Pain is WAY stronger than sage Naruto or sage Jiraiya. Even if they both had full Intel on him, they'd have still lost comfortably.
@@emadahmed7145 you under estimate Jiraiya too much. Many people over-hyped itachi but under estimate Jiraiya.. Look at how Kashin Koji fights in Boruto you will see how powerfull Jiraiya can be
@@emadahmed7145 the glazed. What were you watching? Tendo pain can't block Sage naruto's punches while sage jraiya's punch was blocked by tendo effortlessly. 🙄
Doesn’t Pa say that Naruto is the best Sage mode user?
@@___________0Z0X i agree that naruto is the best sage user.. but itachi is not relative to pains level
Virhtue your content is so unoriginal how about something new like sasuke vs the 5 kage summit
Thought you was being fr at first😭
Lmao
19:44 no he used flight speed to dodge Chidori Spear. And Deidara isn't slower than Ohnoki in his fight he keeps up fine and Deidara even says Ohnoki is faster than he used to be. This is also a weaker Edo body and I know it's flight speed but it should be pointed out
Yeah no shit I’ve said it’s underutilized not ‘never utilized’ he could of fought in a manner much closer to the Gaara fight
Idk how I found your channel, but it must be growing lol cause it popped up a week ago and now again. I just subbed !
Thanks for subbing! Welcome!
I'm hoping for an actual Naruto Part 3 and/or reboot after Boruto ends.
Same hopefully SP dosent redo it they’re so trash
What of a prequel for Minato or a warring states period manga. Wouldn't that breathe new life into the fan base.
@@ADM.II. yea that would be cool
@@ADM.II.hey as long as they didn't ruin the canon, like star wars do
@@romusa10 It's unlikely to be ruined by executives. And no need for dei since we got characters from the hidden cloud already.
Why is Naruto always wanked to the max but sasuke always get lowballed and downplayed? Realistically PAIN ARC sage Naruto doesn’t even make it past the raikage lol. Now if this was war arc sage Naruto than I could slightly agree more with the video.
Danzō Shimura alone is cooking Naruto. First off, Obito stated that Danzō can take control of Kurama since he combined Senju and Uchiha DNA which is why they never met. Add that with Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami, higher intellect, better wind release, wood release, Uzumaki fūinjutsu, Baku, etc., and wtf can Naruto do?
Madara had senju and uchiha DNA but couldn’t summon kurama because he was sealed in naruto. Why didnt madara control kurama if he had both DNA?
That’s not Danzo that’s an oc you made up and they aren’t comparable in terms of stats outside of arguably speed and with Ma and Pa there Koto is a waste of chakra. Naruto can also react to anything Danzo throws at him, and outside of that vacuum jutsu in tandem with his summon Danzo probably can’t hurt Sage Mode Naruto either. Only thing arguably beyond his reaction is the respawn of Izanagi.
@@marvelrocks27didnt baby obito managed to summon kurama out of kushina, then again she was extremely exhausted. One could argue a sharingan user could summon bijuu out of a jinchuriki after they heavily damaged the host
@@romusa10 It took Obito hours to extract Kurama from Kushina and only once the seal was weakened from childbirth. I think it is stated somewhere Obito chose Kushina's due date as the time to unleash the nine tails specifically because he knew the seal would be weak.
3 vids in a week? Shit I'm sweatin from how much consistent heat be coming out this channel, boy got his hands on a flamethrower or something. Only disagreed with Naruto possibly losing to Onoki since Sage Naruto>Peak Sannin~Hiruzen>the 5 Kage, one of those 5 at the time being Onoki so he should just be a little too fast for him. I do agree he's the strongest of the current 5 though. Otherwise yeah Naruto with the same amount of prep as the Pain fight solos the summit and people gonna stay mad about it😂😂
kinda unfair not to have taka for naruto cuz that puts him at a disadvantage compared to sasuke
Naruto stopping at Raikage keep in mind that even KCM Naruto WAS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH Raikage so sage mode ain't gonna cut it.
That was partly because he still trying out the KCM, sage mode ain't gonna face him head on, but yeah im leaning into raikage more
Bro, a Sage CLONE beat the 3rd raikage
@@bigredog100 You are aware that the reanimations are not at full power right? Additionally Naruto looked at that scar and he was able to ask that rubber guy how he got that scar and make an estimation of how he potentially got it with the fourth there would be none of that that wouldn't be anyone he could grab Intel from plus he would be at full power because he's not a reanimation.
@@SasukeY2JItachi Naruto wasn’t at all trying to harm the Raikage in KCM1 though 🤔 meanwhile Raikage (by the time Naruto actually starts trying) is actually resolved to killing Naruto to avoid him going to the war?
@@SasukeY2JItachito be fair raikage still has the killing intent and Kabuto is controlling him, I do think sage mode naruto can put up a fight since he outsmart the raikage. we saw sm naruto perform better than early kcm too (mind u it was a clone) with the summoning I think sm naruto can beat him
2 concepts: taka vs pains assault on konoha, and bee vs pains assault pain (post shinra tensei)
Taka is getting cooked 💀
Kurama most likely will break him out if he’s causing trouble
Also Sage Naruto Is Way Stronger Than THAT Sasuke.. yall talking like Sasuke getting zenkai boost and shit.. he had help at the summit or he wouldve been dead including his susano sooo acting like he was keeping up or reacting because a few times he wasnt
Naruto had help in every single one of his fights except kiba. Naruto would be dead in the first 5 secs in the summit. He's way weaker than sasuke
@@thesagerinnegan5898sasuke had help or massive plot convience in many of his fights...same difference
Sage Naruto is NOT way stronger. Sasuke is literally getting stronger during the entire summit and it is his first real fight since recovering from the battle of brothers? You’re on about Sasuke having three people help him when each kage had two attendants plus samurai back up? He’s literally at a disadvantage the entire time, and his few fair fights against A and Danzo, he pretty much wins the exchange. At the very least, he and A would’ve stalemated and Danzo was defeated. At 17. Naruto fought a pain who had battled the entire leaf village, also had various people help him, and still technically lost. Sasuke had the harder battle and back to back. Naruto and Sasuke are relatives. Always are meant to be. Cry to Kishi about it
Honestly for me it has never made any sense that SM Naruto was an "equal" to MS Sasuke at all, for me all the fights Sasuke had and already being more powerful than all the Kage (except maybe for Onoki but Sasuke was wasted already and had a closed place disadvantage that made the particle style a sure hit) it's more impressive than Naruto being below Pain but winning because of the Nine Tails and then beating a wasted Tendo just in the nick of time
And Sasuke's endurance even being wasted is nonsense and absurd and the worst is he just becomes stronger by every minute and fight, if we put them in a fight Sasuke destroys his summonings with Amaterasu, Naruto can't get past Sasuke's Susanoo save for maybe an Odama Rasengan barrage, and Sasuke can get him done with Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu or maybe Susanoo's arrows, for me it's a mid-diff fight Sasuke just have better feats and abilities, he's physically weaker but speed relative, crazy endurance while Naruto has a sm limit, power buffs, and crazy hax one-shot and defensive abilities, the only way I can see Sasuke losing if he gets caught in the singing genjutsu
That being said, SM Naruto is also definitely stronger than the 5k at least with it's summonings for sure, but I think Danzo can win because of Izanagi, Sasuke had Susanoo to protect himself from Danzo's attacks specially the first one which is the real surprise attack, I don't think Naruto would see it coming and just gets stabbed, but if he fights with his summonings and he's in the top of them Danzo won't be able to pull the revival and strike surprise
Pain is also innately stronger than every kage at that time
@@Virhtuelol you literally comparing some1 who toasted naruto and his whole village 😂 naruto lost kyuubi n 4th came clutch only for nagato to give up naruto was washed your analysis is flawed😂
@@rolion4424 sasuke wanker for sure🤣
@@rolion4424 so firstly how does deidara beat ay who is stronger than ms sasuke🤣 and ay would outlast itachi and win.
For sm naruto he faster physically than ms sasuke stronger and can dish out multiple powerful attacks on the other hand what is an issue for sm naruto would be the amaterasu and it's speed but if naruto is able to dodge it which it's not farfetched it's a win for sm naruto.
And don't say sm runs out blah blah blah the only reason naruto ran out was becuz he was fighting 6paths of pain and mind you one could absorb and the other could deflect rasenshuriken but ms sasuke can't do this.
@@rolion4424 The reason I say sm naruto is faster is becuz when he first took out the asura path if check in the manga he was at a far distance ,far enough that gamabunta seemed small and we know how big he is thus why tje asura pain could not dodge because the other pain paths didn't expect that significant boost in speed;this speed surpasses ms sasuke physical speed(not reaction or perception speed)
Naruto never pierced the 3rds cloak …he made the third do it himself
Literally and Ay doesn’t use the stab like his dad does so how’s Naruto going to damage Ay lol Ay is folding sage Naruto
@@erosannin97ay isn't as strong as his father , and his rasengan still broke through it he just regenerated too quick ay doesn't have regen so naruto can damage him just probably not one hit
@@erosannin97Sasuke's chidori broke through it first try Lol 4th got nothing on the 3rd in terms of power. Not to mention that wasn't even the real Naruto that fought the third as it was a shadow clone. Ya boi still getting clapped
@@coolunusuallmao. Sasuke touching ay with the point of his fingers is barely anything to talk about. Did you somehow forget or not watch the part where Kurama Chakra Mode Naruto hits third raikage with a rasen shuriken POINT BLANK and Raikage literally just gets back up. So what’s your point again)
He did actually, with the Rasenshuriken, but it didn't do much lasting damage since the Edo tensei regenerated all of the damage. Naruto had to use the third's own attack against him to damage him heavily enough to Immobilize him for the alliance to seal him.
16:37 he could just mean that he's the fastest physically and isn't accounting for jutsu speeds
18:44 Where did the idea of Sasuke beating Zabuza come from?
The guy couldn’t even beat Haku.
It’s his reputation, it’s on screen, they just heard Sasuke was apart of a squad who took down Zabuza
Why are you acting like Haku is weaker than Zabuza 😂
4:25 so did jiraiya basically say fuck the big three it’s just big me
Also, would you ever do a video where you rank the Gokage (Part 1 Kage and Pre War Arc Kage, so Hiruzen, Danzo, Rasa, Gaara, Yagara, Mei, Ohnoki, and 4th Raikage Aye) alongside the Sannin (Oro, Jiraiya, and Tsunade)? I feel like the two groups get compared to one another a lot and i think it'd make for an interesting video.
So this is a real possibility, I do have a ranking every kage planned so I could always talk about those three as they were constantly considered supplementary, I did do a gokage vs sannin video back in the day
about sage naruto being superior to sage Jiraya (which is true) the extent of the superiority isnt as big as u portrayed´, since Pain had fought multiple opponent before encountering Naruto, not only that, he used shinra tensei, which meant that his power overall wasnt as higher as it could've been when he fought.
This is true to an extent but my whole point was around the sannin tier which Jiraiya implies he exceeds in sm
@@Virhtue You right
I'm guessing you forgot danzo has shisui's eye he would shit himself if he seen sage Naruto he would just use the eye on him. I believe the only reason he didn't use it on Sasuke was because he wanted to use it on Madara. I could be wrong but you kind of forgot about the eye
W video
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damn, never realized how much of a buff sage mode is
Sage mode for Naruto was kind of insane to be honest, and it’s also a huge buff for Jiraiya aswell!
There’s a reason Shikaku told Shikamaru that Naruto was in another league and that they would just get in his way.
And I realize how truly strong is Itachi who was able to kept up with perfect Sage Kabuto considering Edo tensei nerf
18:39 or you could just point out that Pa's water style is higher than Mei. And Chojuro is compared to a CLONE. Not even the actual Naruto without his chakra divided. Stop replying on "he would just dodge it"
Even Obito told Sasuke that Naruto was far more powerful than him at this point in the story none of the 5 kages had a asnwer for nagato Sasuke at this point was the 3rd strongest under nagato and Naruto
Can you do a video on how strong is Lee from pre-time till now please
I could one day
I would say the biggest issue for Naruto would be surviving Ohnoki's Particle Style. Since he won't have Obito to save him and I think it would be questionable if Fukasaku could reverse Summon Naruto out the Cube in time, especially if he's busy fighting Mei and the Kage Aids.
Agreee, Ohnoki is a problem
naruto and pa should be able to sense it coming considering sage mode reaction speed is higher than kcm1's and kcm1 speed should be a whole league above a fatigued sasuke's.
A lot of people don't take into account battle IQ, which Sasuke is has more than almost any other ninja other than Itachi, while Jiraiya got killed for valuable info he knew Naruto wouldn't be able to figure out himself
the writers basically nerfed Sasuke with stamina because imagine what he could do if he figured out every opponent in 5 minutes while having a great chakra reserve
Other than Minato and Itachi and Tobirama ig
I believe Tsunade and Orichimaru scale above sage Naruto. Naruto also faught much weaker paths. They were nerfed in two ways when fighting Naruto.
Naruto one shot every path other than deva
15:00 he would make a clone wall shield like he did in the Storm 2 Sasuke boss fight! He does it a lot in the Storm games but not that much in the manga or anime..
I mean, aye it’s possible
Liked the vid, but I gotta ask: do you make a script for videos like this? Presentation needs a bit of work, and a script might help as you get used to it.
I script all my videos but with the 17/18 hour editing sessions I blow through my recordings due to being tired sometimes. And I also just write instead of sleeping so I end up mistyping certain parts
@@Virhtue lmao, that explains it. Well, good luck finding a healthier balance my g
@@jablue4329 I’ll be healthier when I’m fulfilled
@@Virhtue damn, cold line, man! I get it though, very relatable.
honestly, i would say Guy is the strongest Jonin, Kakashi is strong though.
Could You do a video about healthy itachi vs the three sannin
It’s on my list brother
What healthy itachi really mean tho?
Sometimes I believe the itachi interaction of "healthy" is the one who faced Kakashi in Konoha, he used a reversal genjutsu, a suit on, a kagebunshin, two tsukuyomi and an Amaterasu. Pretty good, I would say.
I’d say sage naruto with ma and pa is just under the six paths of pain in terms of power unless if you factor in Kurama. I do think Naruto thrives fighting multiple enemies compared to Sasuke, though, with his summons and clones and far higher chakra pool. That said, I don’t see Naruto winning this gauntlet without Kurama’s help… at least, maybe he’d win 5, lose 5 out of 10, whereas Sasuke would’ve and should’ve d**d several times during those fights.
At the end of the day Naruto is the main character he was literally made to be the most favorite character for the majority of the fan base, so glazing him is expected. Pain vs Naruto was a epic fight but Pain would have destroyed the village and killed Naruto if wasn't for Kurama coming to his rescuse. The kages would wash sage Naruto!! (Until Kurama steps in that is) The 5kage vs Madara wasnt close but they did put up a good fight and sage Naruto isn't even on base Madara lvl.... Imagine the kages going in hard like they did vs Madara.... Sage Naruto would get azz blown out... Again until Kurama steps in...
5:42 hiruzen was holding back against oruchimaru
6:09 sasuke was fatigue that time
13:05 that arm also produces chakra for him as it has the chakra network too
14:35 you forgot pain was heavily fatigue
15:10 Gaara's sand was as fast as raikaga and Naruto would be barely be able to dodge it, he wouldn't be able to dodge three at a time
Pain was stronger than anybody Sasuke fought till war arc and would demolish pre eternal mangekyou sasuke
Sasuke and naruto weren't even ever after naruto got sage mode imo.
@@Darkmagecurtya Sasuke was stronger Naruto literally says he needs the nine tails chakra to beat Sasuke
@sankeerthkoshy61 ya comprehension isn't your strong suit. Did you watch the video even. He wanted ninetails to overpower him vastly
@@Darkmagecurt and reading isn’t your strong suit Naruto said he NEEDS the nine tails power, Sage mode Naruto ain’t cutting it boi 😂
People are extremely disingenuous when it comes to Naruto and sasukes statments at the end of the summit. We cant just pretend sasuke isn’t literally blind at the time of his statment saying he needs Itachi’s eyes to crush Naruto. I believe sasuke was genuinely more concerned about his vision more than anything. This interpretation is actually a little more valid than sasuke needing more power to face Naruto. Because If he wasn’t blind and so fatigued then I’m 100% sure sasuke would’ve fought Naruto right then and there.
Naruto’s statment is a little different because he doesn’t need to master kuramas chakra for something like vision. No he’s just straight up saying he needs more power in order to face sasuke. If he was talking about overcoming hatred then that’s what he would have said. Kishimoto literally words it as “I need to master the kyuubi’s CHAKRA”. Not over come its hatred to save sasuke. Thats kind of a stretch. And lowkey sounds like cope to me lol.
A lot of these Naruto RUclipsrs are baddddddddd I blame six and swag. They aren’t good either but all these new guys are just horrible
He literally said if they fought right now, as in "with all of the new powers they've recently gained" they'd both die. Blind Sasuke beating sage Naruto is laughable so clearly Naruto was referring to a non blind Sasuke here. So in order to beat him without killing him he would need kurama.
There's no way the narrative of the story was trying to depict blind sasuke >= sage Naruto. If u think that was kishis intention then you are either Sasuke biased or bad at grasping a writer's intent. If it's the latter I hope u stick to shonen cuz you'd really struggle to grasp more adult literature.
@@DarkKnight1243 yeah this is exactly what I mean by fans being disingenuous. Naruto is talking about a hypothetical battle between them in the FUTURE... Why on earth would Naruto be talking about a fight with a blind and fatigued sasuke? Obviously sasuke would be recovered and at full power the next time they meet from Naruto’s perspective… but And speaking of perspective Naruto makes this statment with the intention of mastering the kyuubi’s chakra. So he isn’t even referring to his current self either when he’s talking about he and sasukes hypothetical future battle.
@@jaioncebollero1168 Who are good compared to Six or Swag? Please don’t bring up HChammer.
@@Jsipki265 definitely not him I hate clickbait and “5 things you never knew” swag is definitely better then 6 but a lot of there arguments don’t makes mess and I’ve straight watched 2 videos back to back were they say something different then what they just said in their last video.
Do Hiruzen running an elderly gauntlet (Chiyo, Kakazu, Mifune, Hanzo, Danzo, and Ohnoki)
‘Hiruzen vs The Elderly’
it’s been stated that sage mode is faster than KCM , i think when him and itachi were sparring is when he said it
Yes this is also why he loses to Edo Nagato, he does not have the same speed while in kcm at least before he can combine it with sage mode.
no he didn't
what naruto said is that he is stronger than when he fought pain meaning his chakra mode is stronger than sage mode which is a no brainer eigherway
@@abobanger9054 sage mode is better than early kcm
@@Limbou. no it's not it just has a few tricks that CM doesn't have like natural avareness but it's weaker overall, CM naruto is stronger many times faster than sage naruto and isn't on a time limit like sage naruto
Every new form of naruto is stronger than the one before, that's the whole point of getting upgrades
This is ridiculous
1. Jiraya stopped firing senbon not because he can't penetrate it infinitely, but because there's no point in attacking after element of surprise is gone. If he keeps firing trying to brake the panda pain will move locations or other pains will atack Jiraya. Why would Jiraya risk his life attempting to brake through the Panda in a matter of seconds hoping Pain is still in position to get hit? He would never. Thus he stopped and reassesed the situation after suprise attack failed
2. Claiming Naruto no contact punch is stronger that Giant Sage Rasengan from Jiraya, based on the very uncertain assumption of Pain catching and tanking the rassngan with his bare hands is gotta be the worst take I've ever heard. And comparing Pain that fought Naruto and Jiraya isn't fair as well. Pain that fought Naruto was not at full capacity, he was as stated by Konan "unusually slowly recovering"
Why you just restated the argument in point two, make a counter and I’ll dunk on it
Full capacity? More like Pain's shinra tensei is just on "cooldown" lmao. And even after he got his "full capacity" you say, naruto still beat him 1v1 in the end.
@@bandai7602 it's not just cooldown for Tendo. Conan stated all Pains are recovering "slower than last time this jutsu was used" Straight up stating they're not at full capacity, and weakened post massive Shinra Tensei
Naruto only beat Tendo 1v1 later, because Nagato was already at his limit after fighting the entire village, using massive Shinra Tensei, fighting Prepped Sage Naruto+Toads, fighting Ninetails and using Chibaku Tensei at last. It all exhausted him and Sage Naruto was able to beat him for that reason
Still doesn’t debunk the fact that Naruto is better than Jiraya at sage mode, has more chakra reserves, and overall did better than his master agaisnt the same opponent. 1v6. Using nothing but their powers and summoning to try and beat pain.
@@zoden6305 Naruto is stronger than Jiraya , but not by as much as this author said. Bro said Naruto's sage chakra punch is stronger than Jiraya's massive Rasengan. Low iq
Pain was stronger than the 5 kage
Suggestion Might guy vs minato (alive)
Maybe
ok but if their powers are both "ever growing" and Naruto is stated stronger at one point would that not mean that while Sasuke is getting stronger so is Naruto meaning Naruto would still be objectivity stronger
I wouldn’t see it that, Naruto from pain to 5 Kage summit wasn’t undergoing the same growth changes sasuke was, sasuke was constantly going through susano and chakra changes while Naruto during that arc was admitting to not training his sage mode as much as he wanted to.
No its more like a back and forth, sasuke is stronger then naruto is then sasuke, ygm
No. Because they aren't growing at the same rate.
their both constantly passing each other until the war arc
Well technically Sasuke has always been weaker than Naruto it’s just that Sasuke’s skill closes the gap between them.
Sasuke has always been stronger than naruto it's just that kurama is there to babysit naruto
@thesagerinnegan5898 naruto has to suppress Kuruma's chakra with his own....
@@bignoob2726 Ignore him he just can’t accept the fact that Kurama is a part of Naruto
It was an offhand remark in the video, but no he can't just drop a frog on them and squish them. Drop a frog on the characters that caught a meteor?
Prove they can do that hear
@@Virhtue earth style toad lightening jutsu
I do not see sage mode Naruto beating the raikage. Even in sage mode. Sorry
Why so?
@@Virhtue maybe we watched different flights. At was whooping Sasuke and would have killed him, the only saving grace for Sasuke was his black flame control. ( I forgot the name). Also Naruto never penetrated the third lightning cloak. Sasuke was always shown to be faster than Naruto up to this point. Ay would be too fast and too strong for Sage Naruto.
@@Virhtue the raikage is at this point the fastest thing Naruto had ever faced. If he only just got past the raikage while in kcm, what sense does it make that a slower version of Naruto get close to A, a is stronger than Bee. No way you’re e sage mode Naruto is beating bee and 8 tails.
@@Virhtue also, i think you’re over hyping sasuke performance at the summit the truth is he was getting rolled by each Kage he met and if not for zestsu he would have died.
Why are you apologizing? All you did was give an opinion. Tone it down
another w from virhtue
We out here trying to
Naruto CAN block the wide scale attacks from gaara and group.
Oodama Rasengan. Just counter qith your own jutsu. If he pulls outnrasemshuriken its literally over for them.
5:37 No way you just implied that Sage Naruto(pain arc) is stronger than Tsunade from the war arc?
Anyway, catch you next video.
No I didn’t
Uhh pain could still see even tho blind another set of eyes nearby
I’m sorry sage Naruto is boxing everyone up that man can’t be held in taijutsu
Idk if youve already done this. But you should make a OROCHIMARU VS. SM NARUTO
Edit: i just looked it up on youtube. No one has done this. Capitalize on it. Get sage of thick calves or dygoknight in there. Fuck it. Do both. That video will go CRAZY
You say Dygo? I mean I can add it to the list
@@Virhtue No offense not dygo pls Sage or TG 🙏🏽
11:13 did this mf just say naruto is good at genjutsu? 😂😂
Either Naruto wins or the 5 kage summit gets destroyed
The 5 kage destroy Naruto, Ay would already destroy Sage Naruto from the beginning, if not that then Onoki decimates him
No bro you arewrong sage naruto can Not beat the raikage, He got only 10 min or 2 rasenshuriken shots and can use only 5 clones, hewould defend himself well but after 10 Mi He is done
Why, go into the counters against his speed
@@Virhtue sage naruto is at a v1speed (like 3rd raikage), v2 He can react but Not keep up, this means He wont be able to Hit him with a rasenshuriken because of the speedgab and because He can use only 3 clones. Raikage will outlast him and if He looses the sage mode he in done in a sec
HONESTLY THIS WAS DISAPPOINTING. I saw the title and thought, Naruto clears this easily. BUT THEN I heard the reasoning and found WAYYYYY TOO MANY FLAWS to accept your reasoning.
1. You said Sage Naruto broke through the 3rd Raikage’s Chackra clock and broke his arm. WRONG. Even the RasenShuriken had no effect against the lighting clock. What Naruto did was hit his arm in the exact spot where it would cause his arm to redirect into his own chest. NARUTO COULD NOT HURT HIM. And he only thought of the plan because of the info the 8 Tails was giving him. In A 2v1 Aye and Gaara clap Sage Mode Naruto…
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2. You said Ma and Pa would use their frog song??? Bruhhh not once has Naruto ever summoned them. Can he? Not without a summoning contract… Which he only has with Ganabunta… Also Ma and Pa SHOWED US that they CANNOT stand on his shoulders due to the nine tails power pushing them off. Meaning for the frog dance charge up. (If we pretend Naruto can summon them. He can’t) they’d be sitting ducks…
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3. You said Naruto could summon all the toads to squish them… but failed to mention if the room isn’t big enough either the frogs pop and go poof or the building gets destroyed…. The building didn’t even fall from the Susanoo breaking its pillars which means the frogs go poof upon being summoned… They don’t just squish if the room is too small…
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That’s as far as I made it into the video… you were cherry-picking scans from the manga that matched what you were saying BUT withheld the very next pages if they contradicted what you were saying…
Naruto stops at ay same with sasuke
Sasuke would of killed Ayy
@@Virhtue no he would have lost his foot and sasuke would have died(because he was saving his more complete susanoo for danzo)
@@Virhtueyou're arguments are vaild sage naruto is slower than a full speed ay. raikage blitz gg
Naruto sage mode getting Cooked pain was a kage level threat and Naruto basically lost and got pinned..
Nine tails Naruto cooks though. If Naruto give into the rage and goes nine tails then he wins. Naruto at that point didn’t master kCM
pain is vastly beyond Kage
Kakashi is easily Kage level during the pain invasion.
Then there's Kage level, which you can argue is Sanin tier.
Then you have above Sanin with people like Itachi and Pain.
While there's more arguments to make, I'd say this is pretty reasonable, meaning Sage Naruto could obviously be Kage level whilst still being stomped by Pain
Pain was far beyond any kage of that day
sage naruto loses
To whom?
@@ADM.II. the 5 kage you idior
@@ADM.II. sage naruto probably wins in 1a v1 not against all 5 kage
@@3rday600no Naruto blitzes
@@poodie3887 sage naruto is not faster than the raikage so that arguement won't work
Bro at this point Naruto is not beating orochimaru unless your counting no arms orochimaru then that’s different
I feel like the "Pain is faster than Jiraiya" point is what I disagree with the most here.
Anytime Pain reacts to Jiraiya's attacks, it's specifically shown to be due to the shared vision of the Paths. Even when he has his punch blocked in the smoke, the manga goes out of the way to show you that the Paths could still see them.
And I think this is especially shown to be true when Jiraiya is able to blitz and kick the Summon Path before he is able to get a summong jutsu off, despite already having the handsign made before Jiraiya moves in to strike. Whereas earlier, this same Path was able to react to Jiraiya's fastest jutsu with a summoning and it's made clear that this is due to the shared vision of the Paths of Pain.
And we even see this with Naruto specifically when one of the Paths is evading his strikes because of the shared vision of the Paths
But yea TL;DR: I dont think Pain is faster than Jiraiya
Also dont think this changes anything with the video, it's just a slight disagreement I have
No fokin shot you compare Pa to Darui
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Yeah Pa >
pa is strong asf and very agile and has sage jutsu?
Lol🤡
Hell ya
Naruto dont stand a chance if its sage mode only because Raikage is too fast for Sage Naruto to handle.The chidori couldnt peirce Raikage body then Rasengan dont work on Raikage.Then Raikage liger bomb is too dangerous for Naruto.Rasenshuriken can be easily dodged by Raikage and Raikage peirce Jugo who is also a sagemode.
The chidori went straight into his chest and I went into why SM Naruto should be of that level
I didn't watched but I hope you did't somehow found a way to say that naruto could do anything against the 5 kage with sage mode LMFAO
Literally gets solo killed by raikage.
Sage Naruto wouldn't even have made it past the Raikage on his own.
Simply not true
Somebody forgot howSM Naruto could easily react to the third.
@@___________0Z0Xthat's sage naruto in the war arc you must be in denial if tou think sage naruto from the pain arc beats raikage at full speed.
@@3rday600 you must not remember what danger sense is. Or the rasenshuriken lol.
@@___________0Z0X rasenshuriken and danger sensing i know those are abilities from sage naruto. Ay can gets lighter and faster by ohnki amp which he doesnt need because ay at top speed would blitz naruto reactions. ay at top speed outpaced the sharingan field of vision naruto is not that fast to outpace a sharingan field of vision. Ay moved so fast he also dodged amterastu which ignities in the line of sight all sasuke has to do is look at you amterastu is on you ay perception dodged it and completely outspeed the sharingan Sage Mode is also slower unless you can prove sage mode is stronger kr faster than Kcm you would have to prove that. Burden of proof is on you
Use missed Naruto vs danzo bodyguards. Kcm naruto struggle against torune
That’s only in the anime and yes they are quite underated, I go very in depth in my Anbu vs the akatsuki video
The arguments are terrible😭
Saucy virhtue
Like Heinz out here
Dude,naruto won against pain because mostly cause of Jiraiya's Intel he shared on intel corps! Without it naruto may had been defeated cause naruto doesnt know how to counter each pain
Naruto Sage Mode is strong but going against the 5 Kage is no good Cause if Raikage can take a amaterasu than he can probably take a double rassagen just saying and plus Sasuke had switched his chakra/amaterasu form outside his Susano.
There’s is a solid argument regarding Ayy ranking that
Ai will lose if his hit with a rasenshuriken he is not a Edo a direct hit nerfs him at least or kill at best.
It would negate the cloak likely aswell
Yeah and that's a loss of a lot of chakra and his body will get damaged like the third raikage and the damage affect the chakra network which weakens him more.
Does sage jiraiya scale to war arc tsunade?, if so Naruto clears the summit
Probably not
wa tsunade's best feats were when she got a mental buff.
@@aymanriki1018 most characters have a mental buff when performing their best feats
Deidara is stronger then oniki
Brother you should change your name
@@Virhtue i got alot of compliments on it
Lvl Naruto (a more powerful version of Naruto) had to exert himself to evade the raikage I don’t think he’s blocking him in regular sage mode. Naruto has zero defense for particle style,
Fugusaku/Pa's Statement is directly contradicted and proven to be incorrect because Sage Naruto with Intel and help from the entire village still couldn't defeat a highly fatigued Pain......
Whereas Pain said that Jiraiya would have won with Intel.....
So its blatantly clear that Sage Jiraiya was still superior to Sage Naruto....
A much more consistent interpretation of Naruto "surpassing his predecessors" is that Narutos sage mode mastery surpassed that of Jiraiya/Minato... same situation as to when Naruto creayed the rasenshuriken and Kakashi said that Naruto surpassed Minato and himself... Kakashi was clearly talking about the Rasenshuriken jutsu surpassing them, not Naruto himself...
Pain’s statement needs more context for this to hold true
@@Virhtue it really doesn't though... Pain said that Jiraiya would have won with Intel... Jiraiya incapacitated and effortlessly killed 3 paths of pain with the frog song at which point he thought he had defeated Pain and then dropped his guard leading to his defeat...
Jiraiya didn't even know that there was 3 more paths of Pain... had he known there was 3 more paths he wouldn't have dropped his guard and he would've continued using frog song to kill them all.... Frog song just has to be within listening distance and it can trap everyone that hears it... it's the most powerful Genjutsu...
Imagine if he knew all of their abilities amd had the whole village helping him like Naruto did, Jiraiya would have killed all the paths low diff and bought everyone some ichiraku ramen afterwards lol
pain was nerfed due to the hidden rain's surroundings and unwillingness to destroy the village to beat jiraya. pa literally saw jiraya fight while in sage mode with help from ma with himself, only contradiction is him saying naruto surpassing minato. also naruto literally masters sage mode, which jiraya didn't plus he had the advantage of having ma and pa fused with him to increase his stats.
@@aymanriki1018 pain was not nerfed against Jiraiya because he didn't wanna destroy the village, that's an absolutely delusional take/narrative, pure nonsense... he didn't have to destroy the village to defeat Jiraiya or Naruto, pain destroying the leaf village wasn't the cause of Narutos defeat...
Pain was at full power and Jiraiya didn't have any knowledge about Pain.... he didn't even know how many paths there were, if Jiraiya had that info he would have won 💯
Fusing with Ma and pa doesn't increase his stats, they're just gathering nature energy for him and they can do the frog song genjutsu... Sage mode increases his stats. Endless nature energy enhances all of his ninjutsu into senjutsu and gives him endless stamina...
Not endless buy yeah you right
Terrible analysts
Why
Naruto gets BODIED here.
My guess is Virhtue thinks Sage Mode Naruto clears, which I would agree with
I do!
can you prove sage naruto is faster than full speed raikage
raikage wins did you forget ohnki can amp all kage stats