Breeze Airways Not Interested In The Airbus A321XLR
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- Опубликовано: 24 дек 2021
- Breeze Airways may have started life as an Embraer operator, but it’s just waiting for its real fleet to begin building up. The airline is set to operate the world’s largest fleet of A220-300s, and is eyeing a range increase to open up even more city pair opportunities. David Neeleman, the airline’s CEO, explained why this is the perfect aircraft, and why he’s not interested in the Airbus A321XLR.
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Breeze is like Southwest light. SW stays with the 737 while Breeze sticks with the A220. If the -500 is launched, perhaps they include that variant
Yes they will Plus Airbus is still working on Releasing There New A321XLR Planes in 2023 which is one year away from 2022 so I hope after they have the New Airbus A321XLR's release they'll have the A220-500 Series Planes in the works hopefully from 2025 or 2026 who knows what Airbus maybe doing next but well see what happens in the upcoming years.
Merry Christmas all!
This is the same person that started JetBlue and now look how well it's doing. He did the same thing with two other Brazillian airlines that are still in operation today. From the looks of it, he clearly knows the market and how to navigate it, hence his what is considered "unorthodox" methods in aviation (not going with the norm). There's a reason why David Neeleman is considered an aviation legend. Either way, looking forward to seeing more A220s in the air and hopefully get to try out a Breeze A220 with all premium configuration on a transatlantic route.
Yeah, Azul is the best airline here in Brazil, the man knows his stuff
All premium transatlantic has been tried several times and failed each time but if anyone could make it profitable where the legacy carriers failed, it’s him. I think the balance would be to make it premium enough to make business travellers on a budget chose Breeze, and still cheap enough to lure leisure travellers into paying for it.
@@vondahe I wasn't aware of that, but the only all premium cabin that I am aware of are privately owned companies that charge a exuberant amount and moat likely have to charter the entire aircraft. For a 6+ hour flight at a reasonable price, I really think Breeze can pull it off, especially on a A220. Also, from the sounds of it and as you explained, it won't really break the bank giving options for not only business class passengers to keep their comfort, but giving others a chance at leisure travel for long haul flights and at a really good price (in comparison to others).
@@vondahe actually, I just thought of a companie that still does all business class configuration for transantltic flights (Newark to Paris) and it's called La Companie. It's a French airline that utilizes specially modified 757-200 with all business class seats. That said, over 90% of their normal clientele aren't the typical passengers and/or price.
Why is it each airline he created....there is always blue on the colors on his planes....
With only one type of aircraft A220-300 giving so many opportunities that airlines could match; efficiency + capacity + operational costs to do both short regional & middle range intercontinental routes....while passengers comfortably seated on widest economy seats & windows.....🛫🤓
There are all kinds of extra costs with a mixed fleet, including multipliers like maintenance, crew staffing with the requisite training, certification, and currency. I've always thought that it would be ideal if you COULD keep the fleet as simple as possible (like Southwest). Larger airlines may not have that option, but it seems like the A220-300 could be just enough to make it work, especially with the longer range when they add that and as it continues to evolve. Also, I would never bet against David Neeleman.
Agreed, properly analyzing the aviation market makes or breaks airlines. David Neeleman clearly knows what he's doing. He's the same guy that started JetBlue, Azul, and 3 other airlines that are still in business and doing well. He knows what and where to target and it seems the A220 is more than enough for him to achieve that goal (and then some). I wouldn't bet against him either lol.
They could do Wet-lease if they want to for short period of time.
And the A220 isnt even that smal. Considering a pax of 160 with really rathet wide seats and good legroom.
Put in a few buessness class and push it down to 150 they only need 3 flight atendants. With a 321 you wouled need to remove 44 seats to push it down below 200.
@@matsv201 that's the thing. Breeze is planning to have an all premium seating cabing for their planned transantltic flights utilizing the A220. Definitely possible.
I concur. I would never…ever…bet against David Neeleman 😉
I hope Breeze is successful and not bought out, I was a fan of recent startup Virgin America and was disappointed when they were sold to Alaska Airlines.
Why was Virgin sold to Alaska?
@@harrisonofcolorado8886 For shareholder profit.
Neeleman's track record shows that he's on cue for success in the airline business. Smaller planes to smaller destinations, albeit long haul, has potential .. good luck to him if he's ahead of the curve in air travel.
The Airbus A220, bought to you by the brilliant lawyers and management of Boeing. Nice job fellows.
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A220-300 is a fantastic aircraft. I had the pleasure of flying with JetBlue this summer Boston to FLL. Great experience. It would be great it more airlines used this equipment. Breeze airways please look into the New Haven CT to FLORIDA market currently Avelo is the only option.
Brilliant strategy
Breeze is simply staying in their lane and not trying to do too much. Kudos to the CEO.
Would love to see Breeze fly out of MHT!
I will Love too Fly with Breeze Airways soon on there New Airbus A220's on both point to point routes!!!!
Good
Maybe, when or if Airbus offers the A220-500 they might choose them. If no higher capacity is needed, an A220-500 XLR might be great - less pax, more fuel, more range.
The economics of efficiency are an excellent constraint for business development.
I can’t wait to see all the 2000mi additional routes that Breeze adds with the 220s. CHS-LAS please!! Right now their routes are too short for me, I’d rather just drive than fly 400 miles (CHS-TPA)
A video on Avelo airlines please
This confirms my belief that not all airlines need or want the A321XLR, it’s only really been ordered by a few 757 operators who need to quickly dump their 757’s given there’s still no decision on 797 and Airbus loyalists that have been wanting a longer range narrowbody but can’t fill the A330 widebody without buying from Boeing given loyalists in 95% of cases want nothing to do with their supplier’s rivals
Will breeze come to California?
Wont be surprised if the come to Shannon Ireland.
Pre-clearance and the families and relatives wanting to visit Ireland.
Regarding Breeze's market, the move seems quite OK. Additional tanks shouldn't be a problem.
It’s a winner
It goes without saying that David Neeleman knows the airline business. The A220-300 seems to be perfect for Breeze’s business model, at least for the foreseeable future.
Breeze's secret fleet plan: Why buy the A321XLR when we could have Airbus build us an A220-500XLR ?!
Lol... I think its A220-300LR
Right. Despite it being a versatile aircraft, it doesn't do the job for everyone. It is too much airplane for some airlines.
Find the seam, exploit the seam, certainly but appears serving the customer is going to be, at least to start, a big part of the equation. Hopefully Breeze will make ample profits without cramming in more rows by reducing seat pitch and hiring surly cabin crew.
I remember when he ran jetblue they actually took out a row of seats, lighter aircraft less fuel more legroom all happy
Not everyone needs to jump on the XLR hype train and buy it. I believe the head of Air Astana said his airline doesn’t need it because their A321LRs goes as far as they need to. Plus, 4000Nm is identical Range to the LR, but breeze can fly the A220 for a touch less and doesn’t need to fill 200 seats. I think an “A220-300LR” would be a compelling offering for not only Breeze, but other operators, like Swiss, Air Baltic or Neeleman’s own JetBlue.
I don't care what kind of plane, I don't care whether there's food. All I ask for is room. I'm average height and weight (5'10", 165 pounds). Room enough to be comfortable and change positions without bonking my head on the reclined seat in front of me, without having to stand up to cross my legs, and without fighting for an extra 1/4 inch of arm and shoulder room with the person next to me. Honestly! It costs $5,000 more to go first class to obtain these minimalist courtesies? It's highway robbery.
Fortunately, with new generation aircraft such at the A220, A321XLR, A350, B787, B777X, space and comfort won't be much of an issue. It all comes down to the airline and how they choose to configure it. I've flown American's 737MAX-8, Delta's A220 and both are comfortable and this is coming from economy class aspect. The A220 is by far the best narrowbody aircraft I've flown in and I'm 6"4 over 250lbs. I still had room and didn't feel cramped, plus my tickets were less than $100 round-trip ($50 from NYC to Dallas on Delta's A220 and $97 from NYC to Miami on America's 737MAX-8). Both aircraft are cheaper for airlines to operate, thus making it possible for airlines to charge a cheaper rate, despite it being a high demand route.
Reasonable rant, but completely unrelated to the manufacturer.
Then pay for it. Most people don't care about room for a couple hour flight. They would rather have more room in their hotel where they will be for a much longer time.
And no, your height is above average.
@@orlovsskibet I bet you must be fun at a large family Christmas dinner !!! 🤪
At jetblue he actually removed a row of seats. More legroom less weight less fuel more smiles.
Ok? Good for them?
So, Air France, Air Baltic, and Breeze and a bigger A220. At what point will Airbus introduce the A220-500?
I think they have no choice now to start working on the 220-500 now hopefully
Probably when they already delivered most A320neo, they would launch A220-500. That way, it won't cannibalized A320neo.
@@nntflow7058 that makes a lot of sense
They will not start development of the -500 before having bought the remaining stake from the Quebec state. Then again it will depend on how much the A220 could cannibalize the A320. The only reason to precipitate the development of the -500 would be a successful Comac C919.
@@HugoAelbrecht I've heard this line of thinking before and think that there is a case for both an A220-500, an A320neoNEO, and an E version.
Judging by his previous successes, I would not presume to, suggest how he should operate.
What will be interesting however, is just how much influence he will have in determining future A220 development. While the A320 and A321 don't appear to fit his business model at the moment, if things change and he wants larger aircraft in sufficient quantities, could that be the push required to get the dash 500 into production, and potentially even a dash 700?
As for a longer range version, if Airbus are already developing additional tanks for the business version, and there are no hurdles preventing these being incorporated into the passsenger version, if someone wants enough of them to cover the development costs, surely it is a no-brainer to produce an A220LR, or even an XLR.
the dash 500 is called the A320neo, no need for it
@@et3865 Not if you already have a single aircraft fleet. Fleet commonality keeps some significant costs down. Likewise, if your fleet is all A320 series, a few A319neos could make more sense than the A220.
If you are unable to provide an efficient single aircraft range which has sufficient market coverage, two ranges with a significant overlap can make manufacturing sense. Yes you will loose sales between ranges, possibly to a less profitable model, but better that than the sale going to a competitor. You only have to look at what happened when the 717 was positioned so as not to compete with the 737 as some of its MD predecessors did.
P.S. As a passenger, I have traveled in both the A220 and the A320neo, on balance, I think that I might actually prefer the A320neo, so my comments are not based on any personal bias.
@@neilpickup237 Breeze is a single type fleet which is what we’re talking about. And no Airbus would be ruining the A320 franchise with a stretch A220. Wasn’t that the whole premise of buying it out. Come on man keep up with the line of the topic lol
@@et3865 The line of the topic was Breeze not going for the A321, I merely gave my thoughts on why that might make sense, and how the reasoning behind it could have an impact elsewhere. That is not going off topic!
Your comment about the A220 being bought because it could be stretched, a point I am in agreement with, does nothing more than undermine your original comment.
Is Breeze going to be an LLC or is its focus on flying underserved routes? Will it have more that one class of service?
It’s an LCC like your Southwest or Air Asia.
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Well if they don't want to go transatlantic then that's fine. I won't complain
Merry Christmas!
I don’t think Neeleman specifically excluded transatlantic flights. He just excluded use of the A321XLR. That makes perfect sense in his business model.
@@HugoAelbrecht it does?
I think an airline's purchase of the A220 says they care about their passenger's experience. Like Swiss, Baltic, Jet Blue, Air Canada, Air France and Delta they are flying the Big Little Airplane that is most popular. Wise choice IMO.
Breeze should be interested in the A321XLR for the sake of building up its New Orleans(MSY) hub as the gateway to the Caribbean, Central & South America. This will allow passengers to get to/from far destinations such as Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, Santiago at a cheaper price, and will help Breeze & NOLA compete with United(IAH), American(MIA), Delta(ATL), and Spirit(FLL).
You already heard him. Is not necessary now, and thinking how the situation is doing now, the 220-300 is more than enough and perfect for them.
@@sergiolaurencio7534 Too bad the A220-300 ain't big enough to hold 200 passengers for a long route, nor has the range.🎻🎻🎻 If he doesn't want bigger planes, then it's best to get some int'l alliances to cover long routes (sorta like what Alaska Airlines is doing).
A220-500 are they interested?
Whatever plane they end up ordering, I think it's a positive scenario that Airbus has such a wide range of efficient products that airlines can choose whatever suits their needs.
Hopefully Boeing will get their stuff together and counter-attack with a decent NMA soon, otherwise Chinese or Russian competitors might end up filling that gap, and I'm not looking forward to that.
At this point I'd almost prefer the Russian product to be honest. They recently got the airliner engine breakthrough as well.
A220 is cheaper to operate and the savings are passed on the customers, that's a great advantage
Just sound economics. If the A321-XLR does more than you need and at a greater cost, then it is not a purchase meant for you.
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I would say.. A220 is clearly the better plane than the 320.. the reason why most operatörs go for tje A320 is simply due to pilot training.
Going from A320 to A22å is costly, going the other direction is pointless.
We shall see. It's still a questionable business model. Highly suspect the high premium configurations on such routes. May or may not work given the markets they are targeting. More likely it won't.
if i was them i would just buy older 737 the 200 and 300, including some md80s
Thank God you're not them lol.. 😂😂
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@@Lee247Jamaica 😆
@@Lee247Jamaica tho a couple of mds won't bankrupt an airline
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bravo Breeze there are much better options to choose out there and the XLR is not the sole solution…
It is only logical that they do not want that crappy Airbus, it is only natural that they want the superior Fokker F 130 NG instead.
An additional fuel tank in the A220 will add more weight, and reduce available cargo space. So it's not a perfect situation.
Dave Neeleman knows what he’s doing with a single type of aircraft for his airlines.
"Embraer operator waiting for its real fleet" is a disgusting statement to make.
This is such a bizarre subject to make a video about. Perhaps your next should be on why Delta don't fly the SuperJet, or Alaska don't fly the 747, or Qantas don't fly the Eurocopter.