Small Masonry Heater for our timberframe
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- We built a small masonry heater to warm our house extension. This heater is a double skin russian masonry heater designed by Alex Chernov, who has be gracious enough to design several heaters for us. If interested he can be reached at stovemaster.com....
The heater hardware came from Max at www.firespeaki.... Great products, great prices and fast shipping.
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She may also like a blacksmith named Torbjorn Ahmann.
30:20 - Charles contemplating the meaning of life: Winter is coming. Windowsill getting a bit draughty... I think I'll move closer to the new fire place he's built for me. Having a good coat of fur is nice, but a toasting fire is also good. I wonder if there's any food soon ?
Russian masonry heater, Korean wooden floor without nails, Japanese timber frame . . . the power of diversity. Slava Mr. Chickadee.
Looks amazing. Love the woodworking! For anyone watching, don't forget to turn on CC for commentaries.
Holy moly! Words? How did I not know this all this time?
Thanks for the reminder!
Thanks, Geoff, mate. Totally forgot. Cheers.
How does cc work, when I select it in RUclips it says not available?
I never would’ve thought there were CCs.. Thank You!!
Dear Mr. Chickadee.
👍👌👏 Simply fantastic again and as always (work and video). You fabricated a piece of art again and as always! Congrats!
As always: Thanks a lot for making teaching recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health to all of you (humans, animals and plants).
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As always, you demonstrate such skill and mastery. My father was a bricklayer, and I worked alongside of him on many weekends when I was a child. Even now, I see the same skill and mastery in your work. Thank you!
Me too!! I wish I had videos of my father doing this. His movements were swift, rhytmic, and dance-like. He could apply the mortar for a brick in 1-2 strokes. He was often whistling and telling jokes while he worked. I remember one day he was helping do a charity build for a church. He and another mason built the two support pillars for the car port where you could drop seniors off. He finished his by lunch time. The other fellows pillar took all day, and fell down during the night. My father rebuilt it for him the following morning. That is when I realized he was very good at what he did. He would not have built something like this with out string levels though. He always wanted things he built to last forever. He told me the fastest mason he ever worked with was a woman.
Well done. Total ASMR for those appreciating skills of "the old ways", even if I don't understand the technical details of why you did each step the way you did. And of course, no video is complete without cameos by Charles. Send our regards to the missus and to Charles of course.
What is ASMR ?
@@georgewhitehouse8630 For lack of better terms, low-to-no speech videos. Or what most people that grow up in the country call "life".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASMR#Triggers
It's the newfound buzzword BS given to what used to be "enjoy the silence" because these days, people can't go 10 seconds without opening their mouth and spouting idiotic drivel.
For me, these videos are a perfect illustration of my life growing up and how I used to think most people were. Unfortunately I moved to the East Coast and found out most people can't shut up for more than 10 seconds and think being able to go without hearing someone talk is somehow novel.
Dear Mr. Chickadee, this stove looks very nice, as probubly everything, You've made. Would You be so kind and share some drawings of it with us?
He said upper bell, so this is almost certainly the design... as follows: There are two heating chambers, the firebox and then the upper bell. The firebox is 18 to 24 inches high (a simple box) and is "mostly closed off" at the top, only allowing a full brick OPEN to let the gasses into the next box, or upper bell. This is shown at 13:55 (the angled bricks layer to support the next row of bricks making the "roof" of bricks separating the bells, and the finished result at 14:30 where the gasses toward the back are allowed to pass into the second box or bell via an open space of one brick. Now, this stove may be SO SMALL the second bell may simply be the same design as the fire chamber (box closed off to one brick to trap gasses for a second or two, however....., if the space in the second box allows.... the upper box would have a chimney or riser that begins toward the bottom of the second box and the entire top of the upper box could then be closed off with bricks or "sealed." This would trap hot gasses and draw gasses toward the bottom of the bell trapping the hot gasses for a few seconds in the second box before they could exit out. The idea behind these stoves is not for the gasses to flow in a straight line up the chimney and out quickly, but to trap the hot gasses, at least for a second or two, in each bell. This heats up the bricks and the bricks radiate heat for 4 to 6 hours after the fire is out. The downside to this stove is, it takes over an hour to start heating the house. It takes a long time for the bricks to absorb heat and radiate it out.
Did you notice how many masonry bricks he used by any chance?
A beautifully executed stove build. Question though. Given the refractor brick and rock-wool's higher insulation value, are there issues with stack temperatures rising too high, and not getting enough heat conduction out of the combustion gas and into the thermal mass / air in the room? Or is there a secondary heat exchanger or long single wall chimney section that you are using to extract heat from the burn?
Thanks for the video.
The mineral wool is just an expansion joint so the core can expand and not crack the facing bricks. It does not do much at all to restrict heat from traveling between the two layers.
@@MrChickadee Thanks for the info. Very good to know.
I have a work shed.
I now have a project.
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Very cool video; thank you Josh! Reminded me of growing up in my grandfather's household. He was a journeyman mason/bricklayer who made a living maintaining the ovens at Alcoa's plant in western Pa.. Spent many an hour mixing, toting and watching a master mason do all kinds of brickwork and fireplaces on his many 'side jobs'. A quiet man who was a master at his trade!
I’m sure Charles thinks he’s worth it, but seems like a lot of work to keep a cat warm!
As ever, beautiful work. I admire your unhurried patience. Thanks for sharing.
What the kitty wants, the kitty gets. Get used to it.
Mineral wool is the best damn stuff in the world. You can use it in anything short of a volcano.
came across recipe for forge cement in the 70's from library of congress book from around 1890's.
3-2-1 ~ sand, cement, fire clay.
Cast my forge w/ recipe and burned tons of coke and green coal for 30 years with it and stood up to heat and moisture like a champ. I am sure it would work with masonry stove.
Very good catch!!!
I don't understand why an additional layer of thermal insulation is needed. On the contrary, in a Russian brick heater, it is important to increase the mass of the heated stone. The greater the mass of the heated stone - the heat is given off longer. This is what you need from the heater
Are you referring to the slim layer of mineral wool insulation? That is an expansion joint to permit the core to expand.
You dare question the gods
Dear ????
Maybe because of the different thermal expansion of the different stones/bricks!? It's better to have a thin layer of stonewool instead of an air gap.
Best regards, luck, health and wisdom.
@@MrChickadee I was thinking the same thing, Norwegian brick heaters are huge but allowing for expansion makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
Dear @@MrChickadee
So I was right with my early comment.
Good timing! I’m putting the finishing touches on a tiny wood stove in my shop tomorrow! As always, another awesome video.
Good job.👍👍👍👍👍👍🇷🇺
A happy cat is the seal of approval we all need to see at the end of our projects.
Clever dying the mortar the same color as the bricks. Sure makes a neater-looking finished product without so much cleaning, acid washing, wire brushing, etc. I was hoping to see some temperatures. I have no doubt the design works but I would like to know how well.
hmm...It would be very hard to know how his temps would match that same design in a different building in a different area under what current weather.
Интересно бы узнать все характеристики такой печки. Как прогревается, насколько долго аккумулирует тепло. Как я понимаю, процесс топки должен быть долговременный?
It would be interesting to know all the characteristics of such a stove. How it warms up, how long does it accumulate heat. As I understand it, the heating process must be long-term?
Great video as usual. Not sure how I feel about the matching red mortar, but it does make for a neat look.
Awesome job. I forgot about CC so about halfway through I started it over. Thanks for the video!!
i whish it had more detail on the internal design
Thank you, cleared the land, trenching and will soon bring in stone. Can't wait to get to this point of the build... keep em coming, and any updates on future timber frame classes?
Good luck to you! We’re at the same stage! Such a long process but I can’t wait to be done as well!
Curious to see how you did the roof penetration for the chimney.
Me too. I've more commonly seen the contraflow design where the chimney comes from the bottom side/back
This is really nice, and I am always wowed by what you do no matter what it is! My father was a mason, and there is something soothing about watching this. I am more familiar with contraflow masonry heaters (Finnish, Swedish). Some of the masonry heater guys will help you with information for DIY for free, because they regret that most of their clients are moneyed.
Your cinematographer really got some good shots there with the red cement dye. Those were some very striking images and well composed as well. What a great project to show just before it starts to get cold.
Excellent as always. How about 8 hours of the rain falling on your garden? I'd watch! 😂
ich mag deine Projekte, nicht reden einfach machen
I got up at 5 am this morning, made a cup of coffee, and watched your video. I loved it. Keep up the good work my friends. I will be following your progress. Peace.
Thanks for sharing with us Josh, that’s a good heating system you built in there. Stay safe and keep up the good work and videos. Have fun along the way too. Fred. 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻✋🏻✋🏻
Thank you for another very well made vid. Excellent videography and editing. I appreciate no distracting public domain muzak, no click bait, no pathetic attempt to be humorous.
Bravo! The perfect union of beauty and function.
Perfect woodworking again and Brick-cementing. I have no other words than to thank you for showing it here. Love from the Netherlands
The 14 dislikes I'm sure are from heatpump owners....
Did you think about installing a cold air intake to the exterior to negate the negative air draw from inside the home?
Since no vapour barrier was used the house will naturally leak air and does not need an intake.
The idea with masonry heaters is a short, hot burn to heat up the masonry then let it go out so all the built up heat can radiate over the next several hours. Since it's probably not going to be lit often it's not a huge issue is my guess.
I agree with the others. You are thinking along the lines of a modern, super-tight house. Watch how he builds and you will learn. Mr. C builds his structures to breathe, so you aren't going to get drastic pressure differences. I don't think Mr. C did any blower door tests on his structures.
Almost a Siberian chimney
Really Great Stuffs!! Butt........if i might comment, the vids are like seeing through time what Neanderthals did. Itz impersonal, without connection to those of us who are struggling with working out "The Good Life" for ourselves. Commentary would really help. Itz not easy to walk away from the amerikan dream, you know!! A word or two from someone doing it would be encouraging. Something as simple as eye contact and a smile is priceless. Going it alone ain't easy! 🙂
"I would have killed for 'tappa tappa tappa'"!!!!
Don't forget the read the descriptions and turn on cc.
Nice work
Nice workmanship sir. The double skin Russian masonry heater is a genius design , I hope Charles the cat approves ✔
Странная печка, непонятно за счёт чего она будет обогревать. Зачем прослойка изоляционного материала между кирпичами?
It's for expansion he said.
Mr. Chickadee answered this question for another commenter. "Are you referring to the slim layer of mineral wool insulation? That is an expansion joint to permit the core to expand." So it's not to keep the heat in but to allow for thermal expansion.
What about the weight on the floor? Is it braced underneath?
you either need a very strong floor or added bracing yes
I miss the bird noise at the beginning of the videos!
is there a diagram somewhere of how this masonry heater works? Seems to be geared towards complete combustion? Beautiful work, but I'd like to build one too so can you direct me to some plans? thank you very much !!!
Another wonderful video sketch.
Is it true that no additional foundational sort was included for the weight of the heater? This has always been one feature that has deterred me from building one at home.
What did this cost you in materials and the design costs to build? Many thanks!
I'm curious about the internal structure. It looks like multiple narrow flues and maybe some extra chambers? Can you enlighten on that?
Lovely work, as always. Thank you for sharing!
Sweet baby sweeet. The very best way to heat a dwelling. Metal and or soap stone wood burners, wood boilers are no way efficient on fuel sources as the masonry wood burner. Mass heaters are the way to go. I like any other YO-YO these days have done a Google= information Highway 2 week binge on best material for masonry heater or mass heater builds. The thing tht most always mentioned is the fact the space you’re trying to heat must be very tight. Every hole plugged for no cold air drafts. All walls and ceilings most be very well insulated and floors. If heater in basement then skip insulating the doors tho. Heat rises don’t cha know.
Wait, Mr. Chickadee... Was that, by any chance, a Pierre Santini serrated knife you were cutting the rock wool with? Still use the one my folks got in 1980.
I just watched from foundation to heater. I'm a boat builder, fiberglass and just did a job for a bunch of Koa and silk oak. Enough for a small house. This wood was half my pay. Being good with my hands, I want to build a tiny home. Thanks 🙏
Is Charles' full name Charles Nelson Reilly? Charles Emerson Winchester III? Charles In Charge? Charles Thee Cat? Charles Chaplin? Charles Brown?
He's back hell yeer
I wonder about the comfort difference between this and an old ben frankiln stove. Personally, I love an old wood burner stove...although I hate the cold chilly mornings when you get up to stoke the fire. But does this retain heat better or make it more of a comfort heat rather than that 'man it's hot by the stove but cold everywhere else' type of heating?
Yes it's designed to store the heat of the short roaring fire built like he shows and radiate it into the room for probably 8-12 hours. For a small masonry heater like this he'll probably burn 1-3 firebox loads of wood a day to heat the addition. Much more fuel efficient, cleaner burning than a damped down wood stove. Safer for kids and pets as the outer bricks never get flesh searing hot. Safer for homeowners because fire is out while he sleeps.
In short, it does both... 'retain heat better' would be a big understatement. Much more efficient to boot.
Outstanding as always Brother !! Peace 👍👍💪💪💪💪💪✌✌
Why do you insulate the bricks. Dont you want the thermal mass to absorb the heat and release it?
Fantastic as always. Nice job.
Once again you are doing something that is on my list for our cabin build. Almost identical. Same basic design and size.
How much time did you give it to dry before the initial firing?
Normally with masonry heaters you can light very small fires and gradually build up the size of the fire until you're lighting the full fire he shows here after about a week of small fires
Like the idea I think these are the way to go I will make a temporary one for my home in Portugal while I renovate it.
Looks like your four legged supervisor approves your finished project.
A bottomless pit of talent!
Toasty is good!
shouldn’t the first few fires be very small to slowly cure the mortar and bricks?
they were
@@MrChickadee I saw a fire chamber stuffed with wood. When I built my wood fired oven, I started with kindling and smaller pieces of wood for and hour. Then two. Then three. And the slowly built up to what would be a normal sized fire. The fire shown must have been days after the numerous smaller, seasoning fires.
@@Aphxphotog yep, first fires were handful of kindling pieces couple times per day, then little more each day till it was all dry, you can see the ash and such in the firebox while Im loading it. You want to dry and evaporate the water from the bricks without turning it to steam as I understand, also leave the damper open until its dry so water can escape the chimney.
Great job you always do nice work. Thanks 😊🙏
I love the look of the colored mortar. You certainly ended up building quite a hot burning furnace!
This is nice and calming to watch. I appreciate the links to where to get the parts and the detailed subtitles.
Beautiful work, man! Nicely done! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
The important thing is your cat seems comfortable.
I totally agree! That's the ONLY thing that matters.
I'm glad this was in my recommendations because for some reason you didnt show up as an update in my subscription feed for the 24th. Looking at your channel theres several videos I have to catch up on. Thanks so much for the time and effort you put into these and taking us along with your projects.
Thinking about a masonry stove also..one question...why don't you say anything?? Would like to hear your thoughts...a lot of videos are silent...please say something
When you cut with your left hand as well as your right hand…… chills😃😃
The strength is to be found in serenity👏👏
The home you've built is beautiful, nice work mate
Maybe I'm dumb, but why would you insulate around the firebox? Don't you want the heat transfer? Isn't that the point of a wood burning stove?
Really like this, but you skipped the part installing the flue and pipe stack
I was really disappointed with this video. i was hoping to learn more about masonry heaters, but with the missing segments edited out, it was impossible to really figure out what was going on as far as design and construction.
Did you turn on the CCs? I explain every step...
Looks amazing and I'm sure the warmth feels great too. Cute cat. 😃
Hot stuff! Looks like Charles approves, so it's clearly top notch!
Does it git cold in Kentucky?
Между стен печи проложен утеплитель? Её стенки небудут греться, какова тогда её задача, если она не нагревается?
Do you know where I can find the small grates? I cannot find them on the website you provided.
Really enjoyed the video. It is difficult to tell the clearance amount behind the unit to the wood of the struucture. I am retired, but I laid brick and stone for 30 years. In our area, code requires 10 inches minimum of solid masonry plus at least a 2 inch air space to anything combustible. I am not saying that you did not do that. I just can't tell from the video. Overall I think it is really an amazing job. I look forward to seeing more from you.
Masonry heaters require 4" from combustables. I have around 6.
@@MrChickadee Thank you for the info. I wasn't meaning to be critical. It looked like a very practical, safe design.
Absolutely wonderful heater it will keep you warm and looks good too
All I could do was smile at the result. The lady in pink really knows what she's doing as well.
Charles: Finally! 👏🏼🌟👌🙏🏼
If Charles has any revelations, let the rest of us know. ;)
4:09 after carefully marking ,cutting and chiselling joint to be precise and fit perfectly you bash the crap out of it with a ball pein denting the wood ???
I was wondering how your cat was going to stay warm in there.
👍🏼 Great stove! If Charles figures it out, hope he shares! 😎✌🏼
What did you mix in with the clay? Was that vermiculite?
Does anyone know if that structure in the foreground on the left, at 4:16, has a specific name... in terms of its design or construction method (post & beam?), etc. Even better, know of any plans somewhere for something like that? Finally, can that be enclosed?
Looks like a small Japanese style timber frame built much like the addition he's putting this heater into, and the blacksmith shop he's got videos of building.
Is there any solid basement under the stove? I can hardly believe the wooden floor could hold the whole weight of this construction.
Nope just wood
Very nicely done. I enjoy these videos very much as they are extremely satisfying to watch. You certainly are a great craftsman!
note that the concrete formwork has dovetail joints
We interrupt the programing for a cat commercial, Oh wait it's still the video. =)
How long does that chimney need in order to warm up?
Travail impeccable comme d'habitude .super vidéo🤩👏💪👍
Good job
Another great video, Josh. I want to know more about that perlite mix, as it's plentiful here in Japan. Seems like it's almost air-crete,... with heat dampening properties? Also liked seeing the red mortar dye, that stuff is hard to come by here. Cheers from Shimoda.
Did you watch with CCs enabled? It creates a form of insulated slab to just protect the wood from any conducted heat.
@@MrChickadee Yup, I remembered to turn them on by that point. No explanation about air-crete similarities, but I got the mix ratios. Great idea. Thanks for the feedback.
Aaahhh the glorious heat for those cooold winter seasons! Awesome job sir.
Thank you so much! Great video!