Video Games Are Disappearing...
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- Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we're taking a look at a new study that shows our favorite hobby slowly being lost to time and some of the games we hold near and dear to us are being lost forever with no archives or backups. Thanks for watching!
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@@plasmaradeYes
crazy how pirates are maintaining old video games alive
movies and music too😅
Curators or librarians is the preferred term
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Ikr?
@@thecalham Pibrarians lol
Probably been said a million times, but I really miss physical discs. Maybe we're just getting old. Kids seem fine with all the microtransactions and digital copies.
As a Gen Z I'm fine with digital copies but I'm disappointed that they've overtaken physical discs, microtransactions kinda depends on the game
MTX was conditioned into kids who got ahold of mommy's phone and may or may not have drained her bank account buying poo coins in Super Poop Thrower VII.
They're fine with it because that's all they've ever known. These filthy corporations have successfully perpetuated microtransactions until they've gained a foothold. Now they're here to stay.
Physical disks are obsolete, massive waste when we can just download the games
Its because they have 2 braincells fighting for third place, and their mommy pays for everything.
The pirates lived long enough to go from villains to becoming the heroes.
They've always been heroes.
Never were villians. That's straight up propaganda.
Pirates were never villains.
I pirate all my games on PC, even Indie games.
I have a HEN PS3 and a RGH 360 too.
One piece moment
"In a world without gold, we would be heroes."
The moment publishers stop selling a game, it should be entered into the public domain. If you don't want to make anymore money on it anyway, it becomes a cultural artifact free for anyone to explore and experience. Otherwise, keep selling it. It's not complicated.
100% agreed... but tell that to Nintendo, theyre absolutely ridiculous and hard headed
@@heyjeySigma give it time. they're a public company, which means they answer only to the shareholders. they've been around since 1889, and first got into video games in 1979. eventually the fossils keeping it that way will die, and the newer generations will inherit their shares and gain their chair and make it so
or at least, I hope they do
I just don't understand why people kept saying that if you pirate a game that is not being sold anymore, you are stealing profit away from the game's company. How can you steal the game's profit when the game is not being sold anymore, therefore it no longer makes any profit because there is no longer a sale occurring. It's ridiculous people think this is stealing profit. Stealing profit from what? From something that is not on the market anymore?
@@ruko9876exactly it’s not like Nintendo gains any money from second hand purchases😂
@@dylanverstraete5323 Exactly! That's something that seems lost on people.
Someone gloating about how they spent 700$ on an older game from ebay for the real experience and because they love Nintendo enough to not pirate fails to take into account that their beloved company isn't going to see that 700$ lmao.
Like, i understand not wanting to deal with pirating. But it's another thing when a company has proven they can absolutely bring those games to modern consoles but just refuses to or locks it behind a limited time event.
Kinda sad that physical disks are disappearing it was nice being able to take games to your friends house and play them, sadly this isn't really a thing anymore
Yes cuz we must cut corners at all cost
thats what external drives are for
but its not like you can request from steam to get installer and save on a drive
Lmao if you bring a disc to a friends house you gotta wait 15 minutes for the download
@@Sebastianator01i mean, you're telling me you can't kill 15mins with a friend ? Are you really friends then ?
@@Sebastianator01 10 years ago, there was no "wait 15 mins to download" the game ws entirely on the actual disc.
Nowadays when I go to places like Walmart, Target, and Best Buy, there are barely ANY video games on the shelves. There used to be a variety of games (old and new) that would be on the shelves. It's sad.
They have them still,it's just being kept in the back for them to sell online only or when and if they may put them out like black Friday and etc. My Walmart pulls this same bs
I see plenty here.
The shelves are usually still full at the Walmart I go to. But, the shelving size has also been reduced by half so that's the reason why probably.
Still posted up with my Elderly Scrolls Anthology but still dont have a disk drive gang gang
The sad truth is I think people would buy physical copies more if the price wasn’t so high. if a game costs less digital or goes on sale, which it usually does, they’re going to take the more consumer friendly option. Companies like EA and Ubisoft abused us too much for too long, and now with game prices expected to jump to 70$ per title, piracy and emulation is going to be more prominent. personally before the price hikes that started in 2008, I tried to have every physical copy that I could. it really doesn’t help that inflation and taxes are up and people are still not making enough to get by, let alone buy a 50+ dollar game.
one thing to note about the gizmondo: these things are literally turning into sludge. They tried to make them out of this softer material to make them more comfortable to hold but it's so cheap that a lot of them are just turning to goo, especially if they were stored in an atic in a hot climate.
The soft padding is latex based. It’s rubber reversion.
I can see Muta is going on to become the man behind the movement to preserve all video games. I would definitely donate to that cause as would many of your fans! Sometimes the only way yo fix a problem is by taking it into your accord!
Muta the type of dude to be on 3 hours of sleep, and still have the energy to slowly let the internet spiral him into insanity. We love you Muta, your knowledge helps the community.
Muta looks like a dead inside Best Buy retail employee.
@@Foogi9000 So a regular Best Buy retail employee then.
@@southparkfirefly yes
With GameStop closing down in Ireland, it's becoming more frustrating.
We only have smyths and cex now 😂😂😂
@@rroy9985I heard cex is pretty bad with selling old games too atleast gamestop might accidentally have a copy somewhere.
Probably because their refunds were shit. Not enough money in the cash register lmao.
@@rroy9985ITS CALLED FUCKING CEX?!
When the land is on ire.
100% the reason I do what I do. Been working to get hands on as many classic horror games as possible to try to preserve them.... and companies make it harder and harder to do
There is a surprising amount of lost media for TV and movies. Sometimes due to fires over the year, sometimes intentionally destroyed, and if you go back far enough then preservation wasn't even a thing.
Imo its the saddest thing that could happen 😢
Yes, I've been trying to track down decent copies of the TV show The Highwayman for years (made by the same guy who created Knight Rider). All the episodes are technically on RUclips, but at like 144p quality.
I watch this show called One Day At A Time on Attenna TV they show the earlier episodes idk if they lost the tapes to the later episodes but honestly I wish I had One Day At A Time studio tapes that are fully preserved.
I keep telling people this but it never seems to have any impact.
If Movies were like VIdeo Games, King Kong and Casablanca would be gone forever by now.
Gaming continues to be treated like its some toy you can discard and no care is given to.
I feel the same way. They either don't play video games, or play "some" games and never touch them again. But because they "Grown up" they don't need to play kids toys anymore (Video games). They need to suffer the same way how we feel for them to understand us.
@@JohnthePhantom So true
That did happen with silent films. 90% of all films made before 1930 are lost forever, because studios didn't care about preservation (and because the film stock was highly flammable).
The ways studio bosses would junk or destroy the films are sickening to read about, and it's sad to see the Games industry repeating history in 2023.
Thats why, dont really hang tight to entertainment industry bud. They are the most unreliable when it comes to longevity.
Hate to break this to ya, but there are millions of movies and t.v. shows that are 'gone forever'.
Preservation wasn't always a thing, plus the various rights issues that crop up.
Honestly, if your game is 20 years or older, it should be considered public domain, no exceptions.
I think that they should make a half-public domain
Public Domain over the original copiesl, including digital but the remake/reboot/remaster IP rights still keep active
I think 30 to 40 years is more doable
There are some odd cases to be considered though, like say minecraft or WoW that have been updated for well over a decade. Beta versions or commercially unreleased titles still protected by copyright. Or content games depend on that are stored outside of the game, like mods, levels and games that heavily depend on them [like archiving the youtube service, but not the videos].
But it's correct that having virtually no system in place to preserve them is very much so worse.
10 years max, even in five years hardwares changes two much
@@noaharkadedelgado Impossible most consoles wouldn't exist and wouldn't work anymore even pcs would change drastically so much it wouldn't run old programs used to develop those games in the first place
I’ve still got a collection of PS1 and PS2 games. Honestly the most fun I’ve had in gaming recently is going back and playing a game I haven’t played in years.
Same here I always play Nascar 2000 and WWF smackdown know your role on my PS1 scph 5501
I'm still collecting og Xbox and Xbox 360 plus my PS1-ps3
Most of these modern video game "developers" have watched too many "modern gaming is dead" videos on RUclips and decided to complement the issue by killing off retro video games in order to force us consumers to buy their dogshit modern ones rather than fixing or improving them. We are truly living in the darkest timeline
Absolutely agree, that's what I always said. I have a feeling that the situation will be similar with films and books.
Publishers*. Online gaming discourse needs to stop blaming developers when publishers fuck up
Its not the developers. It's the publishers and rights holders.
@@user-cl2tc5kd8knah it’s already happening
@@joedav67 meh, developers aint the innocent little lambs they wanna paint themselves either xD
I hope one day these companies will realize if they make these games more available they’ll make a lot more money
Literally if activision just shit out a remaster or a back compat version of the old transformers games I would hand my money over so fast, or If they brought back all their old marvel games
They would rather release new half-assed games that they know 90% of people will buy. Why give quality games from the past when you can make mediocre games and charge $60+ on them?
Like Nintendo for instance, i don't want anyone or myself to hate them but they need to not get upset everytime someone makes a fan game or event with one of their games.
@IvanLerma759 True.
Also, does the video game industry needs to crash?
I doubt it. An insignificant minority of people care about most older games. Nobody is playing Black anymore. Nobody is playing Army of Two. Nobody is playing.. well I won't list all of them. Also, with some even older games combine terrible controls, severely outdated graphics, and lack of QOL features and you are instantly alienating millions of people. Unless you are talking about something else.
There's a lot of old data that is lost that we may never see again; if not for the efforts of dedicated fans, we might lose nearly everything.
Let's be honest, the reason why the video game publishers and developers aren't preserving these is that not only are they not incentivised to do so but they are interested in letting these older games go away. There is only so much time one person has, these companies are interested in selling and making you use said time with their latest and greatest (and most expensive).
Between this, and the dolphin situation. It feels like a piracy cold war with the gaming industry
For real
What happened with Dolphin?
Yea there needs to be public domain for video games and movies at this point. If everyone who was involved on the original project is either dead or close to dead, that shit needs to become free for all.
You can thank Disney for what's going on, Copyright used to be 20 years which would have solved this issue, but they bribed their way into 100 year copyrights.
@@LordOOTFDand there is also a trademark system that allow any companies to extend the copyright infinitely, as long as those companies still has the rights to their "associated" properties
There is that site that hosts abandonware.
I have many physical discs of games, but its sad seeing companies just neglecting their games because they're too old. I worked and used to go to other thrift stores a while back, and most of the times they throw away old games in the trash. when I worked, i tried to save as much old games as I could and for those times they tried to trash some of them, I just bought them just so they wont be destroyed.
Though that was a while back. Knowing that many companies still does it hurts me.
Restaurants do the same type of thing. People will order moee than they're capable of having and then ask for it to be taken awat half eaten. A dull trash bag piles up very very qiikckly. Then there's all these weird take away places I've been to abroad and they'll give a million boxes of food when all you want is probably one and then all that rots away because a small group of people can't finish all that.
That redline Rumbel is a game I've been looking to play but had completely forgotten the Name, THANK YOU!
There was something magic to the fact that you could walk up to a store and probably find the newest game or even better find a really old game and either rent it or buy it . The fact that you could go to someone's house with a controller and play the game together it was just perfect. It brought you even closer to that person, the game was even more entertaining knowing that you make memories very close .
Nowadays everything has to be digital. This thing ruined a lot the gaming industry. I blame the companies that started it and also the companies that are ok or give wrong excuses about why their game is only digital. Because you lose a lot of things
We need a physical game renaissance
The realization of my own mortality really kicked in when I began playing videogames. I like the retro ones so when I first started playing videogames I seeked out classic Pokemon, Mario, Street Fighter games. That’s when I realized how videogame production is rather limited and nothing lasts forever. So I started watching Let’s Plays on RUclips. But circa 2012-2016 RUclips went through a MASSIVE overhaul that censored the platform and made it soulless and full of corporate greed so many of my favorite content creators were quitting or completely erased from history. Lost Media became the next stage in my existential crisis. I was in highschool at the time and all my friends abandoned me for cooler, new friends. That was the final nail in the coffin really. I do not fear death, I was a suicidal child. I fear that the generation that follows me may be lost due to my inaction. I do not want to fail the future
Damn, I empathize.
The copyright expiry time should be equal to the voting age. Once you're old enough to vote, anything made before you were born is fair game for remakes. Having copyright so absurdly long, as we do now, means that by the time something does become public domain, there's nobody left who remembers it.
Thanks for bringing attention to this. Video game preservation is super important to me and it’s ridiculous books, movies, music, etc are easily available but yet video games aren’t. It is ridiculous. There should be an option outside of emulation to legally play older games and without having old hardware and paying an arm and a leg. For the normal consumer. I am not looking forward to the future of digital gaming that so many others have just accepted. It’s fine as an option but not the only choice. Also give more ownership over digital goods.
for now, piracy is the only way to preserve digital goods
or at least GOG
Books can be really hard to get though, a lot have yet to be saved online, and a lot go missing every day. And some movies are lost media forever already.
@@thechugg4372 Yeah, there are many books that aren't digitally preserved. Around 20% of my (600+) print books aren't in LibGen, Zlib, or the Internet Archive. (Still impressive that 80% of mine _are_ though.)
That Chronicles of Riddick game was amazing. There was another game called omicron The nomad soul that was absolutely ahead of its time in so many ways. Riddick came out around the same time as Doom 3 in both games really showed off that generation's graphic capabilities
Omikron was way ahead of its time. big world to explore, mixed with fps shooter and sideview fighting game. It felt very cinematic.
@@Chaotecsix and how you could live so many different lives and even hear about the previous people you lived as. That would be one game I would buy the collector's edition of a remake for. It would be the first and only collector's edition I have ever purchased
@@Chaotecsix In the world was absolutely massive. At that point I had never played a game with such a wide open world
holy shit an actual Omikron fan
Riddick was amazing for the tine
I miss Infinity Blade so much honestly, one of the first mobile games that made me think "maybe mobile gaming can be more than just angry birds and where's my water!"
it was simply too good to be true.
It’s so weird how Libraries can preserve things, but when it comes to videogames, that type of stuff is not allowed
Videogame libraries could exist but greedy publishers would ask for a lot of money for games to be played for free.
Publishers charge libraries much higher than retail prices for the books they buy.
Video games can never catch a break.
As someone who is learning foreign languages with movies and books, I can say that video games are much more preserved than books and movies. I tried looking for books in Thai and I found a whopping zero(with the exception of the Ramakien. The Roms megathread has every game imaginable if you don't care about breaking the law, but some of the most influential movies that I found on Wikipedia and imdb are unavailable anywhere, and sometimes you find it available, but only in the English dub.
Wish u all the best buddy
Had SO much trouble sometimes with some movies... I have a fragmented Zipang movie (the movie that was used as the footage for Djinghis Khan's Samurai music video) from a mostly complete torrent, in that I can watch it but it's missing chunks of it, just enough left of that one to get the plot and a few action scenes. I've been trying to find a complete version of it with little success, and I'm fairly certain I've got some westerns on my hard drive that just aren't online anymore right now. (and I need to start circulating those tapes where the torrents are gone)
I wouldn't doubt that. From what I've heard, at least a few years ago, the PS2 market in Brazil is still strong. I know a lot of places are as fortunate as others to just be able to save enough to buy a more modern system/games.
Probably your only option is to go to Thailand and search for physical books lmao
@@neoqwerty Which westerns do you have?
always coming back BIG UPS on the flash games i haven't played any in like 15 yrs lmao keep on killing it
There needs to an Online Video Game Museum, where all video games from all eras are stored and can be downloaded free on any device. It should like our national museums but for video games and there should be a physical museum too with preserved examples of Consoles from each era of gaming.
It's really sad that we will lose so many games
@@slickdrick Yeah I know but not every game can be downloaded and We don't have every game ever made on internet sadly
@@slickdrick Cool but you still don't know for sure that we have all of the games, Now I'm talking about different countries games
Oh well it's sad but shit life still goes on
@@Woo666 so? who cares lol. I have like 300 games in my steam library and ive played maybe 40 of them in my entire life, im willing to bet large ammounts of money that this is a story many others can relate to, because truth be told, like any other form of entertainment, 99% of whats out there is mid/average and will innevitably be forgotten.
This thought process of wanting literally everything to stay forever is really unhealthy, the truth is in life everything has its time and nothing lasts forever, you dont have the time to go sift through 100000 garbage games because youre scared they could potentially be good, and thats why those 10000 garbage games will be forgotten.
FOMO is not just a social media thing, its exactly what yall are doing here. If a game is beloved organically because it truly is special, it wont be forgotten. If its beloved at the time due to hype with little substance otherwise, it will be probably be forgotten.
I know its popular to treat gaming like everything was peaches and rainbows before 2000 but theres been plenty of rushed boring trash since gamings inception haha
@@Woo666 you cant really preserve EVERY game, and if no one took time to preserve it it probably sucked anyways
The problem isn't the lack of physical media. I mean, cartdriges and CDs will break if you use them often and I don't think keeping the CD untouched in a vacuum sealed package to make sure it's never scratched is ideal either (sure you preserve the game that way... but then you can't play it lol).
The problem is DRM and always online models. Digital should be the way to go for preservation, what better way to make sure a game never disappears than making multiple copies across the internet? I think we should stop fighting about physical vs digital and instead focus on fighting DRM so we can embrace digital as the way to go for preservation.
Except DRM is hardly stopping pirates and both DRM and always online were not a thing for the overwhelming majority of those classic games that no longer are a available.
The problem is copyright protections discouraging preservation and distribution. More of a legal hurdle than a technical one.
That might change with modern games as a service, but that'll be a different problem if that trend continues. But most games aren't always online digital services, fortunately.
I recently dabbled into the world of Abandonware. It's interesting to imagine that there are games that are so obscure that some of them still aren't uploaded anywhere to this day. I'm lucky to find some of the ones I currently test now.
We need laws that games would lose their copyrights after 20 years after their release. So that it would not be possible to send takedown notices for them.
I feel like they should make a law that copyright on things like video games have a statue of limitations of like 20 years after the games release. Very good video. I mean like n64 games and GB games are actively dying because of the batteries degrading over time.
I had a very similar thought, but it should also expand to IP/patents in general, and be based on income generated after a certain time period after release. 15-20 years seems reasonable.
Sincere shout outs to the early 2000s guides on battery surgery for GB/GBC carts and what batteries you wanted to hunt down for it when you bought a Pokemon Crystal cart secondhand
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The problem is there are games that are 20 years old which are still actively receiving updates and are still available to play to this day. A couple of examples off the top of my head would be Runescape and Age of Empires 2 - both more than 20 years old, both have active communities to this day, and they both still release updates. Doesn't feel like it'd be fair that they lose their copyright on games they have actively maintained and updated for 20 years.
also dont ask for every game to be remake, thts why most old games became non existent and will be deleted because of the new thing
Dude, gaming for all my life, on so many consoles, i have some of these old games that aren't supported anymore. It sad to see the way of classic games are going. Such childhood memories.
Transformers Devastation was taken out of the Steam store a few years back and it was heartbreaking. Such a gem of a game that I think any Transformers fan would enjoy is just unobtainable without paying a ridiculous amount for the physical release.
I just love the fact that I am placing his videos while I am driving to work, has the same vibe of my father having news on the car radio XD
It's hard to preserve video games when companies always screw us over by closing down their eShop, cough Nintendo, or try to sue you for piracy. You have to pray that someone has a working physical copy and also the console itself has to work too. This is not a problem with other media such as movies, tv shows, music, or books because they can easily be found and transferred to another format or file. I'm not surprised that 87% of all video games are not accessible in today's video game market.
Especially when a rumor going on that big company's are buying and destroying physical copies of old games just to sell them on their digital store
I oftentimes forget how scarce the options are for playing classic video games outside of emulation, man I am glad that the community exists!
Those are some intense beedy eyes on that thumbnail. Good job. I love your work man
Kind of like how history is being erased.
What do you mean by that?
@@pootispiker2866many games are disappearing and that is history being deleted. God of war ghost and Olympus is gone now
Yikes. Found the weirdo.
@@bingingbinging8597 Sorry no, your not the original commenter
@@bingingbinging8597 these games for the most part aren't really disappearing, so much as not being available from the original seller. The majority of retro games are still preserved by pirates or archivists. The 87 percent in the study is only the amount no longer available for first party sale.
Imagine in 20 years, we will lose most games we have these years
nah...not if you start PRESERVING your own copies NOW.
just buy legit then crack em and store in external HDDs. And every few years just copy in a new HDD
There are many always-online games, so we will definitely lose them...
@@filifeck9172 always online games / GAAS games are not even worth preservation for 99% of the time lol.
Many are trash. But yeah one day mmo's like ff14 or even genshin impact will die, not that ill care but i can see some who would
@@heyjeySigmaall games, regardless of quality, are worth preservation. Preserving only the best does not give you the best view of a culture
As long as I can still play the shareware release of Doom on my toaster it'll be okay.
Its sad to see that so many games on Steam have been delisted already, that I regret not buying them when I had the chance.
Im glad you are also talking about preservation on Mobile Games too, is more niche than regular games preservation and I personally tried to preserve the art in gacha games (since the game itself is imposible to save) As a very Amateur Artist i see value in the art of gacha games and is really sad to me to watch them completely dissapear of existance.
The Completionist actually covered the topic in hand with the help of non-profit organization about how we as a collective gamer can help and preserve these classic titles.
Here in Malaysia (where I am) consider yourself lucky to even find one of these super rare game disk form the PS1, PS2 and Xbox era, let alone game cartridge for the SNES. The only way to play retro games here (sadly) is through either piracy (which is pretty common back during the early 2000), sharing ROMS that your friend dump or pray to God that your friend have the legit copy of a game that you wanna play that's niche from person to person. (it is super hard to get a legit copy of Armored Core 4, managed guide a friend of mine sent the disk to me so that I can dump the ROM and play it myself on an emulator)
As much as I love old games like Final Fantasy series and Armored Core series, it is extremely hard to find a copy of it here. Then again, some classis titles like Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 and 10 I believe you can purchase it on Steam while other titles... sadly the only thing you can do is roll the dice and pray that you manage to get your hands one of those bad boys or the game developr or publisher release a remaster version of the game on Steam.
Same here, in Indonesia. Heck I think SE Asia is well known for rampant piracy.
I wouldnt blame them tho, games has less use than ur everyday objects, thats why people dont really give a damn about preserving it. I bet two ringgits that more people would rather spend money to preserve a Honda Super Cub than a N64 game.
here in Bulgaria, we were busy pirating titles because we were too broke to import and localize the physical consoles for almost a decade or so it felt. Since my country has been corrupt for well over three decades now, there is minimal persecution of this form of piracy in the form of physical media. First game my penguin bought from a bazaar was Civilization II, at 98% less than MSRP. The game my penguin wasn't interested in, that I now hugely regret she didn't purchase, was Dune. Even with a illegitimate, but working copy of that video game, would be doing a service for humanity.
same here in ph, i only have pirated version of armored core 4 and FA to play on ps3 emulator
Love your videos , from a fello Canadian
this is such a sad thing to think about, to know how many hundreds or possibly even thousands of games world wide could one day either stop working or completely disappear in one way or the other (especially for edutainment games)
Seems to me that Nintendo doesn’t put their retro games on the eShop cause they intend to eventually rerelease them via remasters/remakes and having the original game on their online store for a lower price could dampen the sales of the remasters/remakes at full price. I was looking for Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars on the SNES Online Switch catalog and couldn’t find it, and kinda realized that they’ve intentionally left it out cause they were planning on releasing the remake soon.
Same with MPR and Pikmin 1/2
thats a fun theory.
Seeing most of our software now distributed digitally, I'm glad I've been backing up stuff since the floppy disk days, tho I only just started backing up games I bought digitally.
Feels weird to say it, but thank goodness for fricking *pirates* for not only preserving these games but also providing working cracks that we could use if the online DRMs stop working in the future. Some pirated copies lack updates, tho, but it's better than nothing.
A few years ago I made images of all my old 90s era PC-ROM game discs and uploaded them to Abandonware, that is the ones that weren't already there.
I found so much on the site that I was glad I could give some back to it.
You always get my gamer juices flowing
It's similar for some movies too, specifically old titles that didn't get the premium treatment that the original Pink Panther Series got with restoration etc, some movies from around that period are only accessible as old circa 2000s low quality DVR recordings circling on the internet or a rare DVD someone might have from an actually decent home recording.
From a developer perspective I understand why the games get lost to time. The fact is technology/architecture change over time. To constantly upkeep games so they're compatible isn't profitable. Preserving music/films is profitable and doesn't require as much time/resources. When porting a movie for example you might add colour, make it HD and as long as the user has a screen it'll display (the way we digest this media hasn't changed a great deal over the years). The counterpart for games is you've got to ensure it's compatible with all devices with many types of drivers for controllers/hardware etc. It's just incredibly time consuming to cover everything unlike other media which has a smaller checklist.
Even with that this is probably the best it’s been. Back in 2003ish, about the only way to play older games was often as one-off bonuses on discs or the rare collection.
Today we have a number of high quality collections, rental models (Switch Online), and ports/backwards compatibility.
Also I think its also come from usefulness; video games arent as useful as other things in ur everyday objects. Thats why people care less about it. For sure, people can live without it, cuz it's not a necessity item to have, no matter how deceiving modern lifestyle would tell ya.
@@linkfreeman1998 I agree, just not as useful as other mediums (films for education etc). Another thing is, most other mediums are purely read from disk whereas games are read and write. You install games, you don't install most other mediums. Only thing similar to games is software which also gets lost to time for the same reasons as games. Plenty of other games to sink time into, nostalgia is great but so is new experiences.
@@SerSniffles thats right. Speaking of films (or TV shows, maybe) if you ever watched The Twilight Zone 1959 series, I think we can say that a lot of modern game companies actually follows things that Twilight Zone predicts, such as obsolence of physical media... Which has been told in the episode "The Obsolete Man", ofc. Pretty sure there are others, too.
@@SerSniffles I mean there's PLENTY of edutainment opportunities for games, it's just that no one ever quite nailed those right. The closest I've ever gotten to good edutainment was the Carmen Sandiego PC games, and Minecraft's Computercraft 1.6 mod, which basically uses LUA scripting in-game.
I guess FF12 also taught me how to set up macros via its Gambit system to automate things, but Minecraft Education Edition did that one better with teaching kiddos how to program for real and also doing sciency elements things.
Also still Minecraft but redstone is literally the basics of electrical engineering, including logic gates and NAND and XOR and all that jazz. Minecraft is kinda the king of Edutainment and I wish we could all use Education Edition's full features and not just most of them.
Great timing,
And great video too
What I’m more sad about is never going to be able to play on the Crisis Zone arcade cabinet probably ever again
piracy's redemption arc really is a sight to behold lol
i still own my copy of the Riddick games to this day and once awhile i’ll play it. never did i think that it would end up becoming a pain for people to try and find and play in the future. it’s odd to think about that me and some other people who played it back in the day are the only ones to experience that piece of gaming and most likely no one will ever get to again. if this happened to this game, who’s to say it won’t happen to games from the current era in the future. very very concerning.
This is very insteresting and important, I am a curator and restorer of cultural heritage that focuses on "new art media" and the preservation of videogames, I've recently finished my master thesis on the preservation of arcade machines and their games, and I see this video as very important and necessary. Thanks muta
OMG dude, what a nostalgia bomb, that racing game was highly addicting, it's crazy how your mind never ponders on these memories untill they are brought to light.
exactly! Noone cared until it was brought up by an old guy screaming at the clouds, and then you'll forget about them by tomorrow.
@@goonerOZZI never forget, I hold grudges
That is why i have TBs of roms and emulators from Atari to PS2. MAME included. I actually used MAME over 30 years ago when it was almost completely unknown as there wasnt any internet.
I, in fact, would download a car. 3d printing parts is surprisingly a great way to shave some cost on repairs, and even lets you create your own parts like an intake manifold.
If you have the filament for it, good luck with PLA or simple PETG ;p
@@thiccyosh copper core abs is what GM makes truck intakes out of. PLA is for test fitting, nothing more.
@@thespacedpirate FDM printing is already being used in commercial products? Oh damn, Germany (where I live) is slow when it comes to that. Thank you, didn't know that!
I just want that old school isometric snowball throwing game.
I’m so glad I ended up keeping Lady Sia for the Gameboy Advance if that’s the case. I’m such a hoarder for physical games, I don’t know what to with them since I’m trying to clear my room up and have all these DS games and Gameboy Advance games I’m not willing to let go of for this reason, but have no experience in preserving.
I’m gonna be sad looking back at classics that we won’t be able to play anymore :(
I'm starting to buy, backup and upload European countries PS3 games since this is my favourite system and I see mostly US games being uploaded.
Damn man, I'm glad Muta brought up the Infinity Blade series. I used to play that game all the time and recently bought an iPod touch 4th Gen just to jailbreak it for IB. The state of game preservation really is dire atm.
A lot of Silent films from the early 1900s are gone... Thought I'd throw that in, it fits
This is why we are in desperate need of a modern day Citizen Kane-equivilant of an arthouse game. One that will be remembered for eons to come, to the imagination age and beyond.
A single game like that would be impossible. No one would agree on a single title. I feel like a small collection, like 2-3 titles per genre, would be a far easier task to accomplish. Have games that represent the prime of RTS, CRPG, FPS, Platformer, RPG, JRPG, etc.
@@bluemage67 yep. There indeed be one single perfect game in one day, but the next day it wouldnt be perfect anymore.
Something I genuinely hate with a passion thanks to advances in technology.
I didn’t think citizen Kane lived up to the hype.
Nah, it'll be Pong, even if it's not on par with legendary games like Guild Wars or Black Souls.
Metal gear solid 2? idk
Wait till Blamitonjorge's grandkids are making lost media videos about this mythical Mario fellow.
People had to fight to preserve movies and tv too. In fact much of the original Dr. Who other old tv shows are lost forever because they would just record over the episodes after they aired. Now we have to have that same fight today for video games
We have a flea market that had tons of retro game stands when I was growing up. Haven’t been there in years but I hear they are down to like 1 retro game stand. Barely any mom and pop game shops too. I miss EB games at the mall. Good ol days
I know a guy named Captain Edward Kenway and he knows a way to solve this problem! Just gotta apply for his crew!
The nostalgia is hitting hard here. Enough to make me cry
I'm kinda shocked that Vin Diesel's Riddick escape from Butcher Bay isn't available on modern platforms despite him being a huge gaming nut, you think that guy would go out of his way to get that gem ported along with whatever else pieces of media that has his mug plastered on it, cause it would mean easy money for the guy and I have a lot of respect for that game too since it's one of the few Vin Diesel games worth playing, Wheelman comes close, but Escape From Butcher Bay is an absolute gem, heck they did a follow up years later that bundled the OG classic, which apparently wasn't bad, I do hope the Game Industry foundation after the report they helped on that 87% of Video Games that aren't preserved leads to some big changes in the industry and copyright law in general, like if the piece of media you are pirating/emulating is abandon ware, then what's the point for a DMCA strike.
Dark Athena and Butcher Bay were solids, I've got the bundle and it was honestly the best impulse decision I made
Never played Dark Athena but Butcher Bay was incredible. Loved that game. It was so fresh and different from anything else at the time. I recently had the bundle on my steam wishlist when I noticed it was no longer for sale as I was waiting for the Steam Summer Sale. I know what I'm going to pir8 tonight !
Glad I have a big library of old AppStore games without ads.
not just games but old series and movies too
I got rom collections of so many early games up to before Playstation 1. I even managed to find a rom of the The Legend of Zelda: Ancient Stone Tablets that was thought lost forever. But someone managed to find a copy of it, make a rom from it, and then someone else translated it into English. There are no physical copies of this game because people in Japan downloaded the game onto their Famicom console via Satellaview. Even then, they could only download the game in parts when the data was broadcast via satellite.
We've even relatively recently managed to find the broadcast and announcer clips (thanks to people who taped those!) for BS Zelda: Ancient Stone Tablets, if you hadn't checked again on that one. IIRC this version can only be played via HIGAN or its successor project, because it's using some extra tech that lets people play with CD audio tracks instead of the SFC original?
Just wait for everything that can be accessed offline and uncensored to be labeled piracy
Now that you mentioned it, I checked my GOG game list. I have Chronicles of Riddick. Thanks Muta.
The flick of spit at 5:04 really shows you his dedication
I love having physical copies of a video game
Same but I fear any disasters happening to my collection. There are perks to both digital and physical
Same my pee burns
@@thealien_ali3382 I would get that checked out bro.
I mean now a days some game discs are essentially just coasters. Not all of them though. Until recently I had really slow internet in my area so buying discs was something I had to do and I would get pissed when I put a disc in and it didn't install rather went right to the internet to try and download the game.
@@Gatorade69 I buy single player games. I'm anti Activision/blizzard and EA. My internet is off to see if I can play it. If not it's returned. No ps plus for me either. So far my rules for playstation has not let me down
This is why vintage video game consoles and games will always have a market. I sell a lot of them online and I always enjoy thrifting for them.
Those things are getting really pricey too.
That flash archive rules. I remember going on there and finding The Electric Company: Reverse-a-Ball from wayyyyy back in the day.
I have looked all over the damn house and my two video games are still missing. Didn’t watch the video, but I can confirm that my video games are disappearing and it’s very upsetting.
So sad you can’t get infinity blade anymore pure classic.
if only I was born 5 years sooner and someone could guide me in my childhood I would've preserved so much games and cartoons bro , I had so much free time ,I had so many CD's of games in my basement,too bad my mom throw those away ,now that I'm a bit older I barely have the time for preserving,heck I can't even buy a decent hard drive for my data without spending whole 5 month worth of my salary.😢
There are many games still on my iPhone to this day that I can no longer open, I keep them installed tho just to remember them. You mentioned infinity blade, which was incredible.
Muta going on a tangent about a game with a collapsed studio possibly being removed made me piss myself muta got that discord mod rage
That's what I loved most about physical media. So long as I kept hardware that still functioned I could still play those old games as much as I wanted to. This always worked well for me since I tend to keep my old pc's around and keep them working. Sadly, I lost a very large part of my video game collection (on DVD/CD) due to theft and of course most of that stolen part of my collection are out of publication and not to be found at any reasonable pricing in the original physical media. I've got most of what I really loved restored from digital means but I'd still rather have the actual original disks to avoid future loss when the likes of GOG or Steam go away. One of the things I like most about GOG is being able to pick up playable AAA titles from decades ago that actually function well on new hardware. It still isn't the same and having physical media but being able to buy (re-purchase in most cases) a couple dozen playable games at a fraction of what the price would have originally been. Occasionally I can find something I once wanted to play but never bought it because I thought it too expensive and questionable if I'd like it (when you're a broke college student you want a sure thing when it's a quarter of your weekly pay check). Now at a fraction of the price and stable in my career's income I can buy just about anything I like even if I only get a few hours of entertainment from any given title.
If it makes you feel better the GOG versions (as long as they don't have DRM) are copypasteable, so you can just download and plop in. (source: that's the version for a lot of torrents since it's that easy to just copy into a folder)
When the source code is missing because the company who make the videogame just dissapear from the Earth, means we need a way to make those type of games public domain for at least, the distribution of the unauthorized copies, that no thanks to "the legal people" for the mayority of them, can be used without be illegal, like yeah I'm gonna pirate a game from a developer who died 20 years ago and the company not even sell the rights to anybody, and that company also is kaput.
Only 13% of a product from it's timeline is being sold on store shelves physically or otherwise. I believe that number is magnitudes higher than most consumer products ie: when you go shopping, the most abundant products are new/newer products especially with clothing due to seasonal and trends.
Same issue with movies, tv shows, books, music, other artworks, products, websites, articles, etc. etc. I hope there's a company or government organization that does these.
Speaking as someone who outright refuses to go digital, this is really worrying and for the exact same reasons that other people have mentioned. I do hope though that maybe if enough people decide to stop playing video games if physical disks are completely replaced that companies will just bring physical disks back.
Not likely. They'll just sell the luddites physical discs that just have a product license key for a digital download.
@@GardenHaven2627 >"I get to keep the game"
I think that's also going to be increasingly less true. The piece of plastic people are using is quickly becoming less representative of the game they're actually playing as more of the content is downloaded from an online service, or to fix various bugs so the game is playable. I wouldn't be surprised if more "physical copies" sold in stores just had download codes instead of a plastic disc.
And DRM-free digital games are also easy to keep, and actually, they're easier to collect than physical copies.