History Hijinks: Another Dumb Italy Story

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  • @OverlySarcasticProductions
    @OverlySarcasticProductions  10 месяцев назад +1436

    If you're Italian, please share your favorite place-name in your local language!
    I've seen a handful of comments saying that Venice in Venetian is closer to "veNESSia", and others saying there's hefty internal variety even within the Venetian language. Sourcing that pronunciation for the Venetian Language itself and not just the Venetian dialect of Standard Italian was a pain in the ass, so even if "veNEEsa" turns out to be wrong I'll take it as further proof of local language wackiness.
    EDIT: NEVERMIND I FIGURED IT OUT, I'M JUST STUPID. The Venetians in the comments are absolutely correct and it's like "Venessia" - the problem is I'm a dumbass who can't read IPA notation to save my life. The only place I could find an IPA pronunciation notation for Venésia was the Venetian language wikipedia page ( vec.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venesia ) and the only place that could help me decipher it was the Venetian Language IPA wiki page page ... ... WRITTEN IN VENETIAN. The notation is [veˈnɛːsja] and the ː and j characters are what screwed me. The ː lengthens a sound but my stupid ass mistranslated it as DOUBLING the sound, hence my "veNEE-". As for the "-sa" at the end instead of "-sia", I screwed up the "j" IPA character, which is a completely standard "I" sound in Venetian, but I misread it as the "ʃ". This maps to a "sc" sound, but I lazily and stupidly thought "oh I know that one, that's the medieval variant of the letter S". Cascading failures from stupid assumptions in a video about *not* making assumptions. Lesson learned, ask a Venetian next time, and check my assumptions. Any similar mistakes with the pronunciations of other local-language endonyms stems from the same source - ya boi is bad at IPA. I don't think this failure breaks the thesis of the video, but it's an oversight I don't intend to replicate. You all deserve the best research possible, even when that means better deciphering a Venetian-language IPA chart.
    -B

    • @davidepantaleoni6730
      @davidepantaleoni6730 10 месяцев назад +64

      The names of Brescia and Bergamo in our "dialect" are Bresa and Bèrghem respectively (written using italian spelling)

    • @luanafarina3626
      @luanafarina3626 10 месяцев назад +36

      I'm from Northern Italy, 3 hours from Venezia. My mom's home-village name (in local language) is San Vido (San Vito), my dad's is Bellun (from Latin Bellunum, in Italian is Belluno).
      If you need an Italian tour guide or some help with Italian language, I'm here to help you. 😁

    • @LorenzoCanon91
      @LorenzoCanon91 10 месяцев назад +75

      I always introduce my friends to the Italian languages by telling them how to say “Let’s go” 😉
      Andiamo in Italian
      Ammuní in Sicilian
      Jamme in Neapolitan
      Annamo in Roman
      Ndemo in Venetian of Venice
      Ndon in Venetian from Treviso, right bank of the river Piave
      Love your channel, btw! 😉 greetings from The Hague. Den Haag. L’Aja. La Haye. Hāga…. You pick 😂

    • @luanafarina3626
      @luanafarina3626 10 месяцев назад +8

      @@LorenzoCanon91 you can also translate that with "Si va!". 🤣

    • @LorenzoCanon91
      @LorenzoCanon91 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@luanafarina3626 CIÓ 😂

  • @a.morphous66
    @a.morphous66 10 месяцев назад +5504

    “I was thinking about [simple premise] and I realized [PROLONGED NONSENSE]” is the best kind of setup for an OSP video

    • @seanterry2619
      @seanterry2619 10 месяцев назад +117

      Also goes well with H Bomber guy’s videos too

    • @carlinc.christensen3478
      @carlinc.christensen3478 10 месяцев назад +6

      Amen! Agreed! 100%

    • @mirjanbouma
      @mirjanbouma 10 месяцев назад +9

      I think you can apply that much wider!

    • @amehak1922
      @amehak1922 10 месяцев назад +4

      The best kind of videos

    • @blubistheword
      @blubistheword 10 месяцев назад +2

      It really is 😂🤌🤌

  • @bastienfelix4605
    @bastienfelix4605 10 месяцев назад +498

    “My first instinct was to blame french” is definitely going right into out of context/quote compilations

    • @AnimeSunglasses
      @AnimeSunglasses 9 месяцев назад +8

      And also it's an enormously relatable mood!

    • @aquamarinerose5405
      @aquamarinerose5405 7 месяцев назад +5

      Spoken like a true Englishman.

    • @bastienfelix4605
      @bastienfelix4605 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@aquamarinerose5405 What makes it even funnier is that I'm Swiss/French myself😂

  • @samfisher6606
    @samfisher6606 10 месяцев назад +3245

    I am absolutely okay with OSP incorporating linguistics and etymology into the rest of their humanities bingo card.

    • @mistereiswolf70
      @mistereiswolf70 10 месяцев назад +51

      OSP Bingo is the best Bingo!

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 10 месяцев назад +104

      Why limit to the humanities? Don't forget that Red's degree is in math and that she's an amateur astronomer! Imagine if she branched out to cover cosmology _alongside_ cosmogony.

    • @samfisher6606
      @samfisher6606 10 месяцев назад +29

      @@GSBarlev She already sort of has with the Eclipse video. But cosmology isn't in the humanities.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 10 месяцев назад +24

      @@samfisher6606 Ope! Accidentally forgot the key premise of my comment (edited it in just now)-I could totally see _OSP_ branching off into *all* areas of knowledge.

    • @Tomyironmane
      @Tomyironmane 10 месяцев назад +26

      Yeah, but the moment Blue said "simple" and "History of the English Language" in the same thought process, I knew he done goofed. The fact that Italian is... not quite as bad, but its own flavor of messed up... is a fun educational reminder.

  • @legateelizabeth
    @legateelizabeth 10 месяцев назад +774

    Blue really is trying to do everything he can to avoid saying "English is actually closer to what they called themselves than modern Italian is" and the clear pain it brings him to even come close to doing that brings me an unimaginable sadistic joy.

    • @film9491
      @film9491 10 месяцев назад +67

      Lol I know. He even had to admit that Milan is exactly the same in English and the local language

    • @ryanhealy9026
      @ryanhealy9026 3 месяца назад +1

      I feel like you run into this situation with American and UK English a lot too.

    • @cam4636
      @cam4636 Месяц назад +1

      What's the Italian for Schadenfreude

  • @danidm5820
    @danidm5820 10 месяцев назад +2170

    As an italian, I can only describe the impact of hearing Blue changing language mid-sentence as the equivalent of a flashbang.

    • @sharkydumbass
      @sharkydumbass 10 месяцев назад

      Italian is a second language for me and yeah, agreed

    • @thunderthebright8469
      @thunderthebright8469 10 месяцев назад +309

      It's a lot more jarring when people do it without the correct pronounciation or a very thick accent, imo. Blue is actually one of few people I can listen to speak italian and *not* be jarred because he actually speaks it correctly.

    • @larath3w4terb3nder7
      @larath3w4terb3nder7 10 месяцев назад +276

      @@thunderthebright8469i think it's because his grammar and overall pronounciation is good, if one of my english teachers taught me anything, it's that when you learn a language it's inevitable to have an accent, but with good grammar, clear voice and even a medium level pronounciation, anyone can understand you. This case applies very well with Blue imo, his accent may show, but he has a very clear pronounciation of words, along with good grammar use. (And i say this as an italian) idk if this makes sense tho

    • @NonnoSandroBebop
      @NonnoSandroBebop 10 месяцев назад +65

      I know right? He's so good it actually turns into an Uncanny Valley kinda thing

    • @Valery0p5
      @Valery0p5 10 месяцев назад +38

      Eeeh he still has too tick of an accent for my Italian ears, I'm sorry (ed è Boccaccio, Dante Petrarca e Boccaccio, non Machiavelli)
      Thankfully he got the dialect thing right, most people pretend they don't even exist.

  • @MyrmidonRadd
    @MyrmidonRadd 10 месяцев назад +801

    "Languages are just complicated and Localization is fine" is a take we need more of.

    • @cloudkitt
      @cloudkitt 10 месяцев назад +19

      Seconded. By all means do your best to be accurate but at the end of the day it's simply not always going to be possible, and there's often not a definitively true answer anyway.

    • @Carewolf
      @Carewolf 10 месяцев назад +17

      Yeah, adopting endonyms and using is now something we ONLY do for far-away places we feel bad about. It is essentially becoming condescending. We would never consider it impolite to call Germans German, and not use their endonym. When Finland asked the whole world to stop calling them Finland (a name they consider given to them by their colonizers), we ignored it. That is only something we do for third world places, like Iran, Myanmar or now Türkiye.

    • @Carewolf
      @Carewolf 10 месяцев назад +12

      Fortunately it seems most people are ignoring the Modi requests to rename India, as just a political trick by the current ruling party and not something we should take serious.

    • @twistedtachyon5877
      @twistedtachyon5877 10 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@Carewolf more recently, Kyiv

    • @GameGod77
      @GameGod77 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@Carewolf This immediately made me think of New Zealand and how the natives want it to be recognised as Tearoha (Tee-air-ro-ha).
      For the record, while I agree that I don't have any feelings of guilt over calling Deutschland Germany, ever since I learned that the German people call it Deutschland, I've tried to use that name in conversation when it comes up.

  • @pebbles1499
    @pebbles1499 10 месяцев назад +1223

    Blue having a melt down about not being able to read Danté in the original Tuscan is such a mood

    • @tarquinioprisco8459
      @tarquinioprisco8459 10 месяцев назад +48

      italians are not able to read Dante in the original Tuscan without some kind of translation most of the time
      it's from almost a millennia ago

    • @talscorner3696
      @talscorner3696 10 месяцев назад +18

      Yeah, "volgare" (and the "volgare" Dante used in the Divina Commedia still may not have been 100% what the average fiorentino spoke in their everyday life at the market) is *very* different from what modern fiorentino is xD

    • @matteoar
      @matteoar 10 месяцев назад +40

      Well, most italians can read the Divine Comedy in the original Tuscan pretty fluently...up to Purgatory, where he starts using more aulic language and Paradise needs a full-on translation for most parts.

    • @GargoyleDragon
      @GargoyleDragon 10 месяцев назад +9

      Don’t worry, the original Tuscan Raider edit is harder. All those grunts don’t translate into English well.

    • @talscorner3696
      @talscorner3696 10 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@matteoarman, I *hated* going through the Paradiso in highschool...

  • @KingsBard
    @KingsBard 10 месяцев назад +170

    I died when Blue went from speaking a beautiful Italian straight into a full on Mario "OH NO", like, same delivery.

  • @anicrue
    @anicrue 10 месяцев назад +587

    Welcome to the wonderful world of linguistics, where everyone's playing a game of telephone and no one knows where it started and somehow you're "It" despite that being an entirely different game.

    • @alisoncarlisle84
      @alisoncarlisle84 10 месяцев назад +6

      Thank you, this is my new favorite comment on the internet lmfao

    • @MartyMango0
      @MartyMango0 10 месяцев назад +36

      God, yes! I studied linguistics in college & I once took a test in a syntax class where one of the questions was "which of the following is ungrammatical" & I had to summon the professor to ask what to do because none of them were to me but that wasn't an option on the multiple choice test. She had me note it on the question & gave me full credit & then, after class, correctly IDed the different part of the country I was from in one guess.

    • @anicrue
      @anicrue 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@MartyMango0 Currently studying linguistics, and I very much understand this struggle. Syntax trees exist but for the life of me I can't understand what the hell they're doing half the time. Failed the exam spectacularly but passed the course, and that's enough for me!

  • @boooksareamazing
    @boooksareamazing 10 месяцев назад +482

    I was not expecting Blue to pop into his best Mario “Oh no” impression. This is basically the equivalent of Reds video about the nine realms. “Oh boy, I sure do love a simple topic with no nuance.” 3 days and several academic textbooks later. “WHY AM I DOING THIS TO MYSELF?!!”

    • @breawycker
      @breawycker 10 месяцев назад +11

      Academia is all about suffering can confirm

    • @Threezi04
      @Threezi04 6 месяцев назад

      I thought it was Jar Jar Binks cos Veneesa sounds like meesa.

  • @JaySkywalker94
    @JaySkywalker94 10 месяцев назад +1451

    Blue the Historian, Blue the philosopher, Blue the dome lover, and now… Blue the linguist. He’s just assimilating more humanities subjects every year!

    • @erikeverson7812
      @erikeverson7812 10 месяцев назад +30

      I read this in the voice of Mel Brooks doing the Merchandising joke from Space Balls

    • @cloudkitt
      @cloudkitt 10 месяцев назад +15

      @@erikeverson7812 I read it in Picard's voice, "Q the Liar, Q the Misanthrope!"

    • @azeroth2994
      @azeroth2994 10 месяцев назад +9

      Not to mention, Blue the Spider-man

    • @Bluecho4
      @Bluecho4 10 месяцев назад

      "We are the Blue. You will be assimilated. Your humanities distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile."

    • @limerence8365
      @limerence8365 10 месяцев назад +7

      Blue does all the real world humanities stuff like history and arts while Red does all fiction stuff like stories and epic poems and story tropes.

  • @andreivulpescu503
    @andreivulpescu503 10 месяцев назад +182

    Romanians everywhere thank you.
    Also, as a violinist, I NEED to see that one about Stradivari wasting his time making violins.

  • @Darbicus1
    @Darbicus1 10 месяцев назад +522

    Not gonna lie, Blue's existential meltdown in the end had me cracking up.

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma 10 месяцев назад +18

      "Go Go Gadget better empire" tickled my funny bone.

    • @CortexNewsService
      @CortexNewsService 10 месяцев назад +3

      Same. I love him, but... that was fun to watch.

    • @Claymann71
      @Claymann71 10 месяцев назад +3

      ​@BradyPostma I lost the Game there too!
      It was worth it.
      I imagined Inspector Gadget in a Toga with Laurels & Sandles eating Olives & Pizza.

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@Claymann71 - "Go Go Gadget Greek Fire!"

    • @foldabotZ
      @foldabotZ 10 месяцев назад +1

      It's like Red with the "Those Dang Phones" Trope Talk.

  • @Catasros
    @Catasros 10 месяцев назад +254

    This is basically a good part of the reason why Tolkien’s Middle Earth is so extensively detailed; my man wanted to make a language of his own (that is, what would become elvish) but being a literal professor in language, he knew language doesn’t exist without context, culture and history. So he got to work, which is (probably) why elven history is so much more detailed than that of the race of Man and dwarves. Aaaall of the history, culture and internal rivalries between the broader elven tribes/clans/groupings.

    • @galaxydeathskrill5607
      @galaxydeathskrill5607 10 месяцев назад +21

      This professor made me want to learn Sindarin, Quenya and the Tengwar writing system right after finishing Children of Hurin and LOTR. And now i'm on a quest for a suitable notebook

    • @Hallows4
      @Hallows4 10 месяцев назад +14

      That’s also why keeping track of all the character and place names in the Silmarillion is so damn difficult. Name changes are dropped on the regular depending on who’s point of view the person or thing is being talked about from, and that’s not even getting into the “codification“ of names that we get by the time of the Lord of the Rings.

  • @antonymilne1346
    @antonymilne1346 10 месяцев назад +237

    I never thought I'd see the day that a man would go through the 5 stages of grief backwards over the Italian languages but here we are

  • @geosultan4
    @geosultan4 10 месяцев назад +447

    Fun fact: Livorno has a traditional English exonym that didn't come from France. Because it was a common port-of-call for English merchant ships, it became known in English as "Leghorn." Which is where a popular chicken breed with a white body and bright-red comb became known as the "Leghorn." And that is part of how the Looney Tunes character, Foghorn Leghorn, got that name and that design.

    • @Xalerdane
      @Xalerdane 10 месяцев назад +13

      You’d think he’d be from NYC instead of the South then.

    • @Styphon
      @Styphon 10 месяцев назад +5

      Does this place experience a lot of temperature differences between the water and air that cause visibility issues for navigating at sea?

    • @firehawkdelta
      @firehawkdelta 10 месяцев назад +6

      And this is how the comments section became a new James Burke "Connections" episode.... 😂

    • @RainbowGod666
      @RainbowGod666 10 месяцев назад +6

      Aspè è di Livorno?
      I n t e r e s s a n t e

    • @universalperson
      @universalperson Месяц назад

      ​@@XalerdaneThat's because Foghorn Leghorn was a reference to a then popular fictional character named Senator Cleghorn.

  • @jasminedragon9717
    @jasminedragon9717 10 месяцев назад +405

    I was not expecting to hear blue burst into fluent Italian. But I would be lying if I said I didn’t wanna hear more

    • @OhCrapI_He
      @OhCrapI_He 10 месяцев назад +16

      I almost clicked on "hear more" thinking it was "Read more"

    • @Nazuiko
      @Nazuiko 10 месяцев назад +10

      Imagine you did and it unlocked more ranting except entirely in Italian
      @@OhCrapI_He

    • @DragonbIaze052
      @DragonbIaze052 10 месяцев назад +6

      Small spoilers for OSP's production of Julius Caesar, but Blue voices the titular character and does all of his lines in Latin.

    • @seven-cats-3
      @seven-cats-3 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@DragonbIaze052 that's noir, blue played brutus ^^

    • @DragonbIaze052
      @DragonbIaze052 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@seven-cats-3 Ahh sorry, it's been a while since I watched it.

  • @mariotrujillo1673
    @mariotrujillo1673 10 месяцев назад +445

    I love how it's canon for Red and Blue to be like "I want to do something fun and simple" then they be like "oh no, what have i gotten myself into"😂

    • @SPLuvr
      @SPLuvr 10 месяцев назад +22

      I find that's usually how learning about anything goes lmao

    • @daviddaugherty2816
      @daviddaugherty2816 10 месяцев назад +10

      ​@SPLuvr Yeah, turns out the underlying reasons behind anything is long, complicated, and basically nonsensical.

    • @Bluecho4
      @Bluecho4 10 месяцев назад +11

      The "This'll be Quick & Easy" to "What have I gotten myself into" pipeline is basically the thesis statement for human history.

    • @Farrie13
      @Farrie13 10 месяцев назад +1

      Me asking my dad for help with my math homework- 💀👌

    • @FranciscoAreasGuimaraes
      @FranciscoAreasGuimaraes 10 месяцев назад +3

      It reminds me of CGP Grey's video on Tiffany

  • @TheStormWolf10
    @TheStormWolf10 10 месяцев назад +177

    The fact poor Blue starts having an existential crisis concerning his beloved Venison is such a treat and opens the door for OSP to dissect Linguistics. Seriously channels like these are a treasure!

    • @Xalerdane
      @Xalerdane 10 месяцев назад +12

      Was that intentional?

    • @Styphon
      @Styphon 10 месяцев назад +31

      Venison? Oh deer!

    • @VanNessy97
      @VanNessy97 3 месяца назад

      Why is it dog cold in here?

  • @inteligentidiot7233
    @inteligentidiot7233 10 месяцев назад +293

    Props to Blue for his not-too-shabby Mario impression at 7:41.

    • @sandianexpress1198
      @sandianexpress1198 10 месяцев назад +8

      About to say 😂

    • @mckensze
      @mckensze 10 месяцев назад +5

      I actually laughed at that oh no

    • @dolphin64575
      @dolphin64575 3 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for the timestamp ❤

  • @JadranDan
    @JadranDan 10 месяцев назад +64

    As an Italian linguist I really enjoyed this episode. The way you pronounce Italian place names is simply delightful.

  • @athroughzdude
    @athroughzdude 10 месяцев назад +164

    And thus Blue dedicated the remainder of his life to learning all the individual dialects of the peninsula for no reason other than complete and total accuracy.

    • @_jpg
      @_jpg 10 месяцев назад +11

      Thus wasting his life, just like Stradivari did 😂

    • @gutsmasterson2488
      @gutsmasterson2488 10 месяцев назад +3

      He was remembered for knowing too much.

    • @ΧΑΡΗΣΚΟΥΡΗΣ-ψ3ν
      @ΧΑΡΗΣΚΟΥΡΗΣ-ψ3ν 10 месяцев назад

      It's quite a dream of mine to magically know every non-standard variety of every language in the world, simply out of spite towards governments that want to extinguish them.

  • @AegixDrakan
    @AegixDrakan 10 месяцев назад +94

    How you know OSP *actually* does their own research: "Oh *no.* My premise was wrong. Here's what I learned when I went down this rabbit hole!" XD
    Gods this was funny and informative and I loved it. :D Thank you for the laughs, Blue!

  • @PragmaticAntithesis
    @PragmaticAntithesis 10 месяцев назад +627

    0:53 Considering how much of post-Roman Empire Italian history basically boils down to "Remus was right", I think Rome being one letter off 'Reme' is appropriate.

    • @samfisher6606
      @samfisher6606 10 месяцев назад +49

      I always want to pronounce it "Re-Mey" and not like a ream of paper.

    • @Archris17
      @Archris17 10 месяцев назад +30

      About all I know about Remus was that he hopped over Romulus's wall and got murdered to death for it. Care to expand?

    • @PragmaticAntithesis
      @PragmaticAntithesis 10 месяцев назад +110

      @@Archris17 Remus wanted to build a trading hub on the Aventine Hill for its easy access to the Tiber River. Romulus wanted to build a fortress on the Capitaline Hill for its strong defences. Romulus got his city by killing Remus.
      After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the city of Rome got sacked several times over the next century, and was eventually rebuilt from the Aventine Hill (which acted as a tourist trap for the Vatican) and the Campus Martius (which was flat ground on the Tiber; more Remus-like than Remus!) which grew into the Rome we know today.
      Modern Italy has been infamously weak militarily, but was still a powerhouse thanks to it's trade (Venice go brr) and cultural leverage. Just as Remus intended!

    • @PyrotechNick77
      @PyrotechNick77 10 месяцев назад +20

      @@samfisher6606not me reading it and wanting to pronounce it Rem like "REM sleep"

    • @0th_Law
      @0th_Law 10 месяцев назад +14

      Of course, Romulus and Remus most likely weren't real people, and if they were, actually lived somewhere in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, because the whole "Founding of Rome" story with Romulus and Remus and the she-wolf and all that is actually pretty much just the Roman version of the Indo-European story of the creation of the world.

  • @archsteel7
    @archsteel7 10 месяцев назад +37

    I got into this channel because of Red, but Blu’s feral historian energy is probably what keeps me coming back the most

  • @katethegoat7507
    @katethegoat7507 10 месяцев назад +290

    This legitimately bleeds into a weird topic about the italianization of local dialects and languages. It is very much a phenomenon in Italy where increased modernization is making people forget their own local dialects. It's happening to me in my hometown, just one generational gap and kids don't speak the dialect nearly as much, if at all.

    • @carlosroo5460
      @carlosroo5460 10 месяцев назад +3

      Se acercan tiempos oscuros, Harry.jpg

    • @gracetopherkirk5742
      @gracetopherkirk5742 10 месяцев назад +23

      I live in Germany and a similar thing is happening here. A friend of mine was recently bemoaning the fact that she can’t speak her grandparents’ dialect (Tho she can at least still understand it)

    • @fizzamea6683
      @fizzamea6683 10 месяцев назад +13

      Agree! As far as I´m concerned, my parents generation (born in the 50´) was the last really speaking Sardinian and only with their respective families, never with each other (two very different dialects). I loved my professor in school insisting on teaching MATH (!) in Sardinian...

    • @onetwothree9
      @onetwothree9 10 месяцев назад +17

      I think that's a universal phenomenon, actually. It's probably due to most media being in the standard form of which ever language is being spoken and because that's what you're suppossed to speak in school (at least in my school we were told of for speaking dialect)

    • @magnusbane420
      @magnusbane420 10 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@gracetopherkirk5742Same here. When me and my brothers were kids, our dad unconsciously switched to Hochdeutsch when speaking with us, but as we got older and I moved out, he started speaking Franconian most of the time. Dialects also have the reputation of being spoken by stupid people, as Hochdeutsch has been the standard in German schools for a while and people associate trades and other non-office jobs with dialects.

  • @Tekdruid
    @Tekdruid 10 месяцев назад +31

    9:03 Narrator (Morgan Freeman): "He was not, in fact, fine."

  • @d.b.4671
    @d.b.4671 10 месяцев назад +44

    "Go-Go Gadget Better Empire" is my first Favorite Thing Blue Said for the year of 2024.

  • @siriusblack6057
    @siriusblack6057 10 месяцев назад +60

    4:40 , thank youuu for defending romanian, if you want suggestions I really think a video about Romania's history would be very interesting bc of the sheer perseverance of the people and how it became as it is. As you can see in that map we are a latin island in a sea of slavic influences (as Nicolae Iorga said) so its really impressing how the culture preserved itself. I love your videos and hope you all have a good and not stressful year! La mulți ani!

  • @thedukeofchutney468
    @thedukeofchutney468 10 месяцев назад +133

    Get yourself a person who loves you the way Blue loves Italian history.

    • @erraticonteuse
      @erraticonteuse 10 месяцев назад +13

      Someone needs to ask Cyan if Blue loves her the way he loves Italian history 😂

    • @daviddaugherty2816
      @daviddaugherty2816 10 месяцев назад +12

      Unfortunately for all involved, no one can love anything the way Blue loves Italy.

  • @sockenthusiast
    @sockenthusiast 10 месяцев назад +17

    As a linguist (and translator) I was so worried by the opening statement... and increasingly delighted by every sentence that came after it. I would LOVE to see more of this in the future

  • @j.bat.8235
    @j.bat.8235 10 месяцев назад +1356

    As an Italian, I can totally get behind the "blame French" argument.
    Also, Blue speaking Italian is *adorabile*
    (Also guys, I'm honestly overwelmed by the reactions - not saying I'm teary-eyed but kinda! 🥺😍)

    • @Lionstar16
      @Lionstar16 10 месяцев назад +57

      I know, right?! Was totally not expecting Blue to speak Italian so beautifully

    • @jan-Sopija
      @jan-Sopija 10 месяцев назад +142

      as a german speaker, I can totally get behind the "blame french" argument
      for the record I say this as an american with a french speaking mother and a new orleans french speaking girlfriend

    • @inteligentidiot7233
      @inteligentidiot7233 10 месяцев назад +45

      Wait, adorable as in he sounds cute when saying it, or adorable like when your 5-year-old is happy with themselves when they say gracias at a Mexican restaurant?

    • @fyraltari1889
      @fyraltari1889 10 месяцев назад +122

      As a French, I can totally get behind the "blame French" argument.

    • @V1p3r65
      @V1p3r65 10 месяцев назад +80

      As a student of the English language, I can totally get behind the "blame the French" argument.

  • @pablodisciascio8229
    @pablodisciascio8229 10 месяцев назад +20

    I have not seen Blue having SO much fun in a video in a LONG TIME. You can see his personality pouring through the script and his flavourful and cultured humour all over the place and it's such a joy to see how that in turns brings about a video that you can't possibly help but to love because of all the love put into such a silly topic. Great work!

  • @jameseracer8061
    @jameseracer8061 10 месяцев назад +237

    Meanwhile me, a Czech, having to talk about Venice as "Benátky", Genoa as "Janov" and Rome as "Řím"

    • @Pollicina_db
      @Pollicina_db 10 месяцев назад +21

      As a croat I shudder, although we also say Rim for Roma, Venezia = Venecija, Genova is the same

    • @astahelgadottir8747
      @astahelgadottir8747 10 месяцев назад +68

      The Icelandic for Venice is "Feneyjar" which translated directly means "marsh-islands" 🤷‍♀

    • @Xalerdane
      @Xalerdane 10 месяцев назад +29

      @@astahelgadottir8747 You win.

    • @naomistarlight6178
      @naomistarlight6178 10 месяцев назад

      "the city of wetness" @@astahelgadottir8747

    • @mariodoomfist1049
      @mariodoomfist1049 10 месяцев назад +7

      Okay venice in Czech legit sounds like the name of a medicine

  • @abogus1756
    @abogus1756 10 месяцев назад +17

    Ok, I can’t deny, watching Blue’s sanity break down in real time might be one of my favorite pastimes. It’s okay man, we still love you!

  • @SpoonG
    @SpoonG 10 месяцев назад +95

    I can state confidently that us Italians from different regions still don't understand each other perfectly when talking, not because of the accents but due to common use of our language in day to day life. I am from the South and dated a guy from Tuscany in my 20s, it took me three months to understand everything he said (Tuscan dialects are also very similar to standard Italian, and they aren't scolded for using them since primary school as they do with us in the South, so they tend to use regional forms that are extremely weird to outsiders). And don't let me started with Swiss Italian.
    Fun fact: it is widely accepted that Italian became a commonly spoken language in the late 1950s, since broadcast television started in 1954. Before that, it was just a formal language you learned in school and, since compulsory education ended in 5th grade at the time, it was very rare for people to use it everyday. There are also some political implications with the suppression of Southern "dialects" and accents, I literally had to force me and stop being ashamed when speaking to Northeners in my normal accent, since they drilled into our heads that it's impolite and very ignorant.

    • @eleutheros7216
      @eleutheros7216 10 месяцев назад +18

      Someone else talks about the unfairness that southern dialects are subject to! Ever since I started attending university in the north I realised how much more mainstream it is for them to talk in dialect with a certain pride even in more formal events, meanwhile in the central-south we had always been taught that it was a sign of ignorance and rudeness (scusa per il papiro, ma mi sono sentito troppo validato dal tuo commento🙏✨)

    • @guyfawkes938
      @guyfawkes938 10 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@eleutheros7216 That's interesting. On one hand I think there's the usual arrogance towards the South in play, but I suspect the fact that several of the northern dialects are becoming much less commonly spoken also plays a part. So it's something of a badge of honor to still be able to flex what little dialect you might have picked up from grandma, as opposed to those other regions where the presence of dialect is still very strong even in younger generations. But, like Blue says, these are just my "vibes". Grazie comunque per il papiro.

    • @eleutheros7216
      @eleutheros7216 10 месяцев назад +8

      @@guyfawkes938 Honestly, great analysis, that is for sure one of the factors at play; the only "ugly" part that I wish would be left behind is how often in order to celebrate northern dialects (which I love btw) southern ones are torn down (with the most ridiculous excuses, from "they sound uglier" to "oh but our dialefts are actual languages" which surprise, southern are too; this kind of rhetoric is often linked to ugly separationist politics tho, no intellectual worth of their name would ever argue something like this)

    • @John_Weiss
      @John_Weiss 10 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@eleutheros7216Linguists actually classify the Southern Italian "dialects" as a _completely separate branch_ of the Romance Languages.
      Also, Germans and Austrians joke that the Swiss speak 4 languages: French, Italian, Rhaeto-Romanish, and „Erkältung“ [raffreddore] 😂. Because apparently, Swiss German sounds like someone speaking German with a really bad cold to anyone in Austria or Germany.😂

    • @SpoonG
      @SpoonG 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@John_Weiss As a person with a Master's degree in German, I can vouch for the Erkältung definition, but let's not forget Swiss Italian which, to me, is quite a different language from Italian Italian. But then, Austrians should take care of their own problems before criticizing anyone, lol. And nobody's talking about Südtiroler yet.
      Anyway, there's a political reason for the reputation of Southern "dialects" (especially Neapolitan ones): namely colonialism and mass emigration. Since the Kingdom of Naples was literally conquered by Piedmont, which led to the dismantling of the rising industrial complex of the South and the agreements with huge landowners to keep them in charge here, us Southerners have always been poorer and less educated (until the last three decades) than the northerners. Then, with the mass emigration of "low skilled" workers from the south to the factories of the north, we were still poor and poorly educated, and the northerners believed that our languages were beastly grunts for beastly non-people. Therefore we became our own enemies trying to integrate with the cool and wealthy northeners who use their vowels, while being brainwashed from primary school that we had to completely lose even our accents just to be considered "normal". When I was younger and traveled around Italy, I subconsciously mimicked whatever accent the person I was with had, because I felt extremely ashamed of the way I usually spoke and didn't want to embarrass myself in front of them. I had to consciously stop myself from doing it, even when speaking a foreign language (I now consciously keep my Italian accent when speaking English because I came to the conclusion that using a random British or American accent made no sense at all).

  • @danielhavens8819
    @danielhavens8819 10 месяцев назад +19

    "a simple informational story about historical linguistics, etymology, language transfer, and endonyms. what could possibly go wrong!" is remarkably similar to my thought process in choosing to get a degree in linguistics

  • @In_Our_Timeline
    @In_Our_Timeline 10 месяцев назад +63

    Note:Speaking of mutual comprehension, speakers of Italian and French are unable to understand each other very well. This is because there are more disparities between them when it comes to their sound inventories, or pronunciation.
    However, it is much simpler for French and Italian speakers to identify vocabulary similarities when they are written down. They can therefore understand the text's main idea more easily.

    • @cloudkitt
      @cloudkitt 10 месяцев назад +5

      English and Dutch has a similar phenomenon, in my admittedly limited experience.

    • @thesquishedelf1301
      @thesquishedelf1301 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@cloudkittyeah, the germanics are kinda almost as screwy as the romance-s. Scandinavia are off doing their own thing like France, Germany is in much the same boat as Italy, and English is closest to Spanish with functioning, aurally, as a bridge between the two, but _looking_ weird af from either perspective. And then you have Finnish/Romanian off to the side mingling with the slavs.

    • @tj-co9go
      @tj-co9go 10 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@thesquishedelf1301 Finnish has no relation to Indo-European languages. It has many loanwords, sure, but it is related to Uralic languages. Major ones are Estonian and Hungarian

    • @thesquishedelf1301
      @thesquishedelf1301 10 месяцев назад

      @@tj-co9go thanks, I’m not an expert. That was… kinda what I was getting at, though. I’ve met Romanians who insist Romanian isn’t a Romance language, and it bears enough similarities with Slavic languages that it’s not exactly easy for romance speakers to get around.

    • @comradewindowsill4253
      @comradewindowsill4253 10 месяцев назад

      @@thesquishedelf1301 I assure you it most certainly is not possible to understand as a slavic speaker
      yes, it has the vibe of, maybe, czech? but it isn't similar in vocab, that's pretty obviously almost all latinate.

  • @Oxy_J_YT
    @Oxy_J_YT 10 месяцев назад +65

    As an italian who studied at school a little history of the Italian language, I would like to add some details left by the video or simplified a little. What we now call standar Italian was born during 1500/1600 by the hands of some linguists (the most important and famous: Pietro Bembo) who wanted a standard language for literature and politics. It was chosen at the end the Florentine of late 200 and early 300, more specifically use the language used by Petrarch for the Poetry and that of Boccaccio for the prose. (Petrarch and Boccacio are two very influential Florentine poets). The modern Tuscan dialect is not an evolution of the Florentine of Boccaccio and Petrarch but of what existed at the time of Bembo.
    It is also not true that in the center the dialects are less widespread. A prime example is Romanesco, which, although much more similar to standard Italian than Siciliano or Veneto, is separated from it with characteristic words and inflections. It still remains the main language for conversation even among strangers (which with other dialects is increasingly less common). It is easily understandable by other Italians from different areas for its exposure through cinema and television
    P.S.
    Your accent in Italian is great
    P.P.S
    How did you managed to pronounce so badly the names of italian cities?
    Examples here (I'm gonna use IPA)
    Venice(Italian Venezia( /veˈnɛːtt͡sja/) Venitian (Venesia/Venexia/Venezia/Veneszia[there is no consensus on how to write venitian] (/veˈnɛsja/) as every one can see the only part that change is Z that change from a Ts sound to a S sound, the other parts rest the same. The other names are also mispronounced, but I’m too lazy to write in IPA

    • @Oxy_J_YT
      @Oxy_J_YT 10 месяцев назад +21

      Anyway nobody, and I repeat NOBODY understands Dante’s Italian, not even Italian, So don’t take it hard Blue

    • @mistertizio4094
      @mistertizio4094 10 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you, I was about to write all that but I found your comment and likes it instead

    • @Oxy_J_YT
      @Oxy_J_YT 10 месяцев назад

      @@mistertizio4094 Always a plaesure

  • @GSBarlev
    @GSBarlev 10 месяцев назад +76

    This reminds me how, over the course of 2021, we all mutually accepted that _Kiev_ was an exonym, and that we should be spelling it _Kyiv_ pronouncing it _-Keev-_ _Kee-eve_ (see comments).
    And on the subject, as someone whose ancestors were from what is now Poland and The Ukraine, I am forever confused when people mention *the other* _Galicia._

    • @candiman4243
      @candiman4243 10 месяцев назад +16

      Not as bad as Iberia somehow migrating from the caucuses to western europe... Also the three places called georgia.

    • @GhostBear3067
      @GhostBear3067 10 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@candiman4243 wait three? I only know of two!

    • @candiman4243
      @candiman4243 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@GhostBear3067 South Georgia Island. It's a bit past the falklands

    • @goncalo33
      @goncalo33 10 месяцев назад +6

      Same here, albeit in reverse, as I'm from Portugal. Galicia being a thing elsewhere (i.e. not in Spain) surprised me.

    • @eddiet7228
      @eddiet7228 10 месяцев назад +4

      It’s not actually pronounced Keev with a single long “e” sound.
      I was told my Ukrainian friend when I started learning the language that there is a slight tonal difference. It’s not Key-ev like the original spelling so everyone’s correct to move away from that. But there is a slight tone change from the Ky to the iv part.

  • @meowmeowkittensupreme4864
    @meowmeowkittensupreme4864 10 месяцев назад +7

    The sudden piping of Kass's Theme from BoTW at 1:17 made me jump bc I thought my phone was ringing

  • @macaronsncheese9835
    @macaronsncheese9835 10 месяцев назад +93

    The distinctly Mario-esque "oh no!" broke me lol

  • @jasonreed4833
    @jasonreed4833 10 месяцев назад +5

    My favorite thing about this video is how Blue takes us through the research process. Starting thinking you already know something, doing the research, and updating your opinion based on what you learn during research.

  • @carmacksanderson3937
    @carmacksanderson3937 10 месяцев назад +94

    7:40 Blue's Mario-esque "OH NO!" Had me on the FLOOR 😂

    • @Biscotum
      @Biscotum 10 месяцев назад +5

      I'm *really* curious is the nearly flawless Mario impression was intentional or fully accidental.

    • @Kaijugan
      @Kaijugan 10 месяцев назад +1

      SAME!

  • @storyspren
    @storyspren 10 месяцев назад +6

    That note on the stress pattern reminded me of someone I met like ten-ish years ago. Finnish is my native language, we're known for being monotone, but linguistically speaking Finnish does have a stress pattern, it's just very same-y. Pretty much every* word has the stress on the first syllable, and it's also not particularly strong as far as emphasis goes, certainly not as strong as Italian. And I ran into someone who spoke Finnish, but with an Italian accent, and it was downright delightful to hear! He just asked me a question about how something worked, and I answered, and he called it brilliant (not my answer, the thing the question was about). It was a very short interaction among like a hundred similar ones, but I can still hear his exclamation of "NErokasta!" so vividly in my memory, with that super strong stress in the start.
    And it's not just the accent, the strength of the emphasis, that set that interaction apart. It was also that we don't tend to exclaim "Brilliant!" when we think something is brilliant (maybe we should?). When he approached me to ask the question, I heard that singsongy way of stressing syllables in his speech, and I would remember how it felt to hear that even if I forgot every word of that encounter, but then he shouted that out and that little voice clip has permanently engraved itself in my brain.
    *I'm not gonna commit to saying "every word" without that "pretty much" qualifier because I study English linguistics and not Finnish (and also sweeping statements like that will have you being wrong a lot), but I will say regarding the two examples I can think of that are fully unstressed: I've seen people write them as suffixes rather than postpositions, which kinda makes it seem like we don't register it as the next word if we don't hear that stressed syllable.
    (Also the misadventures with IPA in the pinned comment are hilarious, they just keep adding to the "guy makes assumption, turns out wrong" story of the video in such a fitting and comedic way)

  • @mcgbullseye468
    @mcgbullseye468 10 месяцев назад +42

    Welp time for Blue to learn all the Local versions of Italian like he’s catching Pokemon.

  • @gokbay3057
    @gokbay3057 10 месяцев назад +9

    3:25 They also got called Romans or Rum a lot.
    To modern Turks modern day Greeks are Yunan from Yunanistan but Greeks of Cyprus or Turkey are still usually called Rum instead of Yunan. And of course during the Ottoman Empire Rum was by far the preferred term to Yunan. There are stories that sometime after Greek independence some Greeks talked with the Greek people of Lesbos who were calling them Hellenes and asked "Are you not Hellenes yourself?" and were answered with "We are Romans".

  • @kevinchong5424
    @kevinchong5424 10 месяцев назад +37

    As someone living in Belgium, yeah, the pain of different names in different languages for the same place is a real pain

  • @areminderofwhatweare
    @areminderofwhatweare 10 месяцев назад +8

    Finally, I get to apply my ancient (high school) knowledge of the Italian language to understand the short phrases Blue’s saying while not looking at the captions

  • @francescosorce5189
    @francescosorce5189 10 месяцев назад +17

    8:19 In the divine comedy you can find the intermediate form "Fiorenza".
    The most well know example is the start of the 26th chant of the inferno where Dante rants about how sinful Florentines are (an opinion which definitely has nothing to do with his exile, he swears!).

  • @TheNashNetwork
    @TheNashNetwork 10 месяцев назад +7

    When I went to Venice for the first time last year to see my family there, I discovered they ALL spoke Venetian regularly to each other, not Italian. It was fascinating, and being half Mexican, I could hear similarities to Spanish I didn't expect! I hope to become fluent in Venetian one day :)

  • @GoldenJLR
    @GoldenJLR 10 месяцев назад +78

    This also made me think of how weird that some places never have their name localized. Can you imagine calling São Paulo Saint Paul or Rio de Janeiro River of January?

    • @janmelantu7490
      @janmelantu7490 10 месяцев назад +16

      Yes, I can imagine it. In Texas, many of the Spanish place names survived, while institutions often use English versions (lots of things in San Antonio are named St. Anthony despite them being named after the same person)

    • @LotusHearted
      @LotusHearted 10 месяцев назад +21

      Or calling Tokyo “East Capital”, likewise Kyoto with “Old Capital.”

    • @legomaniac213
      @legomaniac213 10 месяцев назад +9

      It also doesn't help when there are already established cities with anglicized names that have wildly different cultures and environments. There is a significant difference between Sao Paulo, Brazil and Saint Paul, Minnesota.

    • @Nazuiko
      @Nazuiko 10 месяцев назад +12

      My favorite city in the southern US has gotta be "Big River Texas"

    • @pbjmochi8400
      @pbjmochi8400 10 месяцев назад +11

      And then you get things like the Sahara Desert. Desert Desert.

  • @wanderinglizzy
    @wanderinglizzy 10 месяцев назад +8

    As a former linguistics major this makes me so happy! This reminded me of why I liked linguistics in the first place - by learning about languages you learn so much about the people who speak them.
    Also the dialect thing made me think of something we used to say when discussing Cantonese Chinese and its cultural significance (I'm from Hong Kong so this was something we got to study) - a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. (of course these days you can't say that because that would be sedition 🙃)

  • @Varandru
    @Varandru 10 месяцев назад +15

    Blue, you madman. How are you going to make something greater than this? This feels like the greatest example of Blue-specific humour and storytelling produced so far, and I really want more of it!

  • @86fifty
    @86fifty 10 месяцев назад +6

    7:34 - I have not laughed as hard at a History video in a loooong time, Blue, I have GOT to give you props for establishing your Italian pronunciation chops hardcore and THEN making me think of Mario the plumber as the punchline XDD

  • @TheDeadmandillon
    @TheDeadmandillon 10 месяцев назад +23

    4:45 I forget if you've made a video on the history of Romania. To me it sounds like all they're known for is Count Vladimir Dracula (a.k.a. Vlad The Impaler) as well as all of their vampire mythologies... and their Draco AK pistols. But not a lot of people understand how Romania came to be.

    • @Nazuiko
      @Nazuiko 10 месяцев назад +1

      Another youtuber i dont knwo the name of, though more Tiktok than youtube i think, actually just had a short on him and apparently Dracula means "SON of Dracul", cuz his dad was also despicable?
      That was news to me ... and yes, I want more Romanian and eastern European history in general; theres so much going on over there but the Anglosphere is dominated by the western 5 of Italy, France, Spain, England, and sometimes Germany if they want to.

    • @larsdewit6521
      @larsdewit6521 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@Nazuiko he's the son of the dragon because his father was a member of the Hungarian Order of the Dragon (it was a commendation I think) not because his father was outright evil.
      Extra History has a series on Vlad, I reccomend it.

    • @Bobogdan258
      @Bobogdan258 10 месяцев назад

      He covered countries around Romania: Poland, Ukraine, Byzantium, the Ottomans. But didn't cover Dacia's history with the Romans and with except this video Romania always looked like empty space. Red covered Bram Stoker's Dracula and Castlevania though.
      Romania came to be from a mix of Vlachs, Slavs and other ethnic groups north of the Danube (too many to count since Wallachia is the westernmost point of the Eurasian Steppes before the Pannonian Basin, most notable being Avars, Bulgars, Cumans, Magyars, Pechenegs), which got Orthodox Christianity from the Bulgarian Empire, the people weren't able to establish themselves because of all these nomadic empires but they survived thanks to the Carpathian mountains and from what we've learned from Russian history, the Mongolian empire is more lenient if you don't resist and give them tribute.
      After the Magyars have settled west of the Carpathians local lords east of the Carpathians broke free from Hungary and established Wallachia and Moldavia and instead of using western, catholic, feudal Hungarian law they used Orthodox Byzantine law as basis for their government, then a bunch of history of trying to survive stuck between empires until they unite all the Romanians after WW1.
      Interesting points in history Vlad the Impaler playing off the Hungarians and Ottomans against each other, Stephen the Great, Vlad's cousin and Prince of Moldavia, with 46 victories out of 48 battles against while outnumbered against Ottomans, Wallachians, Hungarians, Poles and Tatars, Michael the Brave briefly managing to unite Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania under him, Russian governor of the principalities Pavel Kiselyov established Romania's first constitution before Russia, Alexandru Ioan Cuza is elected Domnitor by Wallachia and Moldavia separately to skirt international law that prevented their unification after which a series of reforms that weren't to the ruling class' liking they looked to establish German backing by appointing a german king related to Prussia's royal family, this king joins the WW1 against Germany and Austria to unite Romania with Transylvania, get defeated and then join a day before the war ends to get awarded Transylvania and seals the deal after defeating the Hungarian Soviet Republic.

  • @ItsJustVirgil
    @ItsJustVirgil 10 месяцев назад +2

    You killed me with “Go go Gadget better Empire.” I love it.

  • @Azerinth
    @Azerinth 10 месяцев назад +20

    Watching other people's existential crises is much more fun than having one of your own.

  • @WinglessMoonstone
    @WinglessMoonstone 10 месяцев назад +4

    This gives me the same vibes as when Red thought her video on the nine realms was going to be easy, only to soon realize how much more complicated the subject you guys are researching actually is. XD
    This was a really interesting look into language evolution! I loved learning that Italians are basically considered fluent in two languages! Great work on giving us something both educational and hilariously entertaining as always!

  • @loorthedarkelf8353
    @loorthedarkelf8353 10 месяцев назад +15

    This is why I had to make a mother language for my fantasy empire before developing lingual drift, dialects, and straight up splitting points for the various city states encompassed by it.

    • @twistedtachyon5877
      @twistedtachyon5877 10 месяцев назад +3

      *nods in Tolkien*

    • @galaxydeathskrill5607
      @galaxydeathskrill5607 10 месяцев назад +1

      *Fëanor approves*

    • @loorthedarkelf8353
      @loorthedarkelf8353 8 месяцев назад

      The best part is the base language the others stemmed from is used by the temple folk the same way doctors use latin- since no one actually *speaks* the mother language anymore, its used by the only thing everyone in the empire shares; Faith.
      And an island nation off the coast but that's their perogative XD

  • @kastanimates
    @kastanimates 10 месяцев назад +9

    I love linguistics and dissecting languages -- I don't have a degree in it but I have an intense hobbiest love of it -- so to watch this was an absolute joy! Also RIP Blue, you did a great job, languages are just... *waves hand* messy

  • @FuzzyStripetail
    @FuzzyStripetail 10 месяцев назад +21

    I bet the "Remind me again why he's in charge of naming stuff?" guy longingly and dramatically stroking his beard in that quintessential deep thought posture didn't see it Cumae-ing when he got the Hellas kicked out of his Assyria as soon as Rome arrived.

    • @redwitch12
      @redwitch12 10 месяцев назад +2

      I am both angry at your terrible puns and delighted by them.

  • @sabikikasuko6636
    @sabikikasuko6636 10 месяцев назад +3

    As a linguistics hobbyist, not often you see non-linguists covering linguistics this well. Kudos to Blue! This video was amazing and only reinforced your professionalism as a true researcher!

  • @SereglothIV
    @SereglothIV 10 месяцев назад +17

    In Polish we have some names similar to Latin/Italian equivalents, like Venice is Wenecja (pronounced exactly like in Italian, maybe with a different accent) or Milan is Mediolan (from Latin Mediolanum), but then we call Italy... Włochy.
    Don't ask me why, I have no idea.

    • @Vanvidum
      @Vanvidum 10 месяцев назад +2

      That sounds like it comes from the word "Vlach" which was used to refer to Romance language speakers in the Balkans.

    • @thomasrinschler6783
      @thomasrinschler6783 10 месяцев назад +2

      Włochy ultimately comes from Proto-German "*Walhaz", which means foreigner, usually Romance or Celtic language speaking foreigners. In English, this eventually gave the Welsh their exonym name, for example. Germans at first used it indiscriminately for any Romance-language speaker, giving the Vlachs their name. This naming of Romance-speakers was picked up by the Poles at some point, even though they, obviously, don't speak a Germanic language, giving them the Polish name for Italy.

    • @marjae2767
      @marjae2767 10 месяцев назад +2

      It's because the Germanic-speaking peoples called the Celtic peoples something like *Waliskos. When the Germanic-speaking peoples encountered the *Rumiskos, they called them more *Waliskos. Later the Slavic-speaking peoples used the Germanic names. The soft W sometimes became a GU-, V-, or B-.
      So in English, we have "Wales" for the British part of Britain, "Gaul" (Gu-al) for Gallia, "Wallonia" for southern Belgium, "Wallachia" for southern Romania, etc.

    • @thomasrinschler6783
      @thomasrinschler6783 10 месяцев назад

      @@marjae2767 You're right elsewhere, but the Romans called them Gauls long, long before any German was even recorded. In fact "Gaul" is likely an endonym, as it has been used by the peoples themselves from Ireland and Scotland (where the languages themselves are called the equivalent of "Gaelic" by their own speakers), through Gaul, and all the way to Asia Minor and the Galatians (who were a Celtic people who moved there in the 200s BC). "Celt" is the actual exonym here.

    • @marjae2767
      @marjae2767 10 месяцев назад

      @@thomasrinschler6783 Although Gallae, Gauls, and Gaels sound similar, I'm pretty sure they come from different roots. Gallae/Galli from a native root, Gauls from *Waliskos, and Gaels from Goidil. Sorry I can't link to sources.

  • @TheNinjaKiwi1
    @TheNinjaKiwi1 10 месяцев назад +2

    Out of anything, Blue’s mental break over linguistics is what makes this video so entertaining. I love it!

  • @tizioincognito161
    @tizioincognito161 10 месяцев назад +4

    As an italian its always funny when people discover that under italian exists a mirad of local dialects (altho in many cases the local dialects are slowly fading out of use).
    Standard Italian we could say is an artificial language mainly constructed around tuscan with some input fron lombard and sicilian (lombard cause lombardy has always been the most populous region and sicilian cause frederick II was not just a based king but also cause he commissioned the first grammatical standardization in italys history through the sicilian school).
    What is even more interesting about the birth of standard italian is the fact that it was mainly carried by one man, national author number 5 and senator for life of the kingdom of italy, alessandro manzoni.
    He carried in part the standardization work also through the his famous novel, The Betrothed (I promessi sposi), which is studied as much as dante, petrarca, boccaccio and ((Macchiavelli)) in the italian school system

  • @GScottActing
    @GScottActing 10 месяцев назад +1

    The sudden cut on "Wow, this is getting really comple-" got me.
    You guys did a really good job on this one :)

  • @WolfDB
    @WolfDB 10 месяцев назад +10

    That "Oh no!" from Blue made him sounding like Mario, it made me laugh a little

  • @nirast2561
    @nirast2561 10 месяцев назад +3

    5:50 That's a weird Megazord you got there.
    Side note: Romania mentioned! Awesome!

  • @elizaripper
    @elizaripper 10 месяцев назад +40

    Damn, I’m loving that this video gives Blue an excuse to flex his Italian!😄💙

  • @woosht4938
    @woosht4938 10 месяцев назад +1

    The funniest thing about this video is that when I was learning Italian in middle school this was one of the first things taught to me- my teacher was from Italy (I don’t remember where) and knew first hand that the language separated by region, and then dialects formed from within those regions. I had COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN about this concept for the 6+ years it’s been since I took that teachers class (I don’t speak or learn Italian anymore because of my high school teacher) until this video. Thank you for unlocking a core memory in me, jfc

  • @scottrobinson3956
    @scottrobinson3956 10 месяцев назад +7

    I started studying linguistics about 2 years ago, and omg it’s such an interesting field. Blue, I’d love if you did more videos talking about languages and linguistics. Trust me, the field is interesting

  • @samreid6010
    @samreid6010 10 месяцев назад +2

    “It’s fine, it’s fine. It doesn’t bother me, it bothers me, it BOTHERS ME A LOT… AND THAT ONE’S STILL GREEN!”

  • @itchy0618
    @itchy0618 10 месяцев назад +8

    Just thinking of the scene from Casablanca of the French and Italian dudes arguing. "If he gets a word in, it'll be a major Italian victory."

  • @ChristianNeihart
    @ChristianNeihart 10 месяцев назад +1

    That little Mario "oh no" had me in stitches! Beautiful!

  • @97Multiphantom
    @97Multiphantom 10 месяцев назад +65

    So what I’ve taken from this is that the next time someone tells me that English is just a garbled mess of other languages blended together, I can just point at Italy and say “We didn’t even start that.”

    • @devonhardy6447
      @devonhardy6447 10 месяцев назад +9

      It's kind of a different thing in English though. Like, when people say that about English, they usually mean because of how much Romance influence it has while still being a Germanic language or something. The only example I can think of of English doing the same thing as Italian is when people claim Scots is a dialect.

    • @Nazuiko
      @Nazuiko 10 месяцев назад

      @@devonhardy6447 American, Australian, Scots, and British English are four different languages; Im sure plenty would argue that Canadian English/French is distinctive from the mother languages as well, but I know little of either to say myself.

    • @TheMan83554
      @TheMan83554 10 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@Nazuiko Acadian French is *drastically* different from Standard French, the the point of being nearly unintelligible. I went through French Immersion in elementary school, but they taught us *Standard French*, which was damn near useless when trying to have a conversation with the Quebecois.
      Canadian English is somewhere between American English and British English. Americanized some words, kept the British sound and spelling of others.

    • @CortexNewsService
      @CortexNewsService 10 месяцев назад +8

      @@Nazuiko I think the varieties of English are like a spectrum of dialects, the same way Arabic is in a way. Related and pretty intelligible over all, but there can be a wide range. Morrocan Arabic, for example, is not intelligible with Levant Arabic when spoken. Too much drift. But it is intelligible with, say, Libyan Arabic. Same with English. Americans and British can understand each other very well, though different vocabulary and pronunciation can be confusing. We can still do fine though. But American and Scots? I have no clue unless it's written down. The pronunciation is so different that while it sounds cool, I have no idea what they're saying.
      And we haven't even touched all the versions of English. Indian, Jamaican, Belizean, South African, Singaporean, Nigerian, Bajan. All English dialects, but how well you can understand them is very dependent on how close it is to your own version.

    • @comradewindowsill4253
      @comradewindowsill4253 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Nazuiko eh. no. Scots is a language separate from English; it developed mostly independently of it, and is, even now, mostly not mutually intelligible. There was such a thing as Old Scots, when there was an Old English. American and British English are as yet dialects of English, descended of Old English, as are Australian and Indian English. (by the way, the largest population of native English speakers is in India, did you know that?)

  • @brittney8767
    @brittney8767 10 месяцев назад +1

    Kass’s accordion suddenly kicking in took me out so hard that I paused the video due to curling up like a pill bug with laughter- another moment in the OSP hall of fame!

  • @vamp1024
    @vamp1024 10 месяцев назад +6

    Romanian is a REALLY PRETTY language and it's SUPER under-rated. The Latin and Slavic influences blend together in a very aesthetic way.

  • @Beryllahawk
    @Beryllahawk 10 месяцев назад +1

    This was VERY fun! I'm doubly amused because I'd literally just this past week learned about the many different Italian languages, as it relates to medieval music - because "Italian singing" meant a WHOLE lot more back then. Also, it was really a pleasure hearing Blue speak Italian. It's a lovely language, there's a damn good reason so many awesome operas are written in it.

  • @crazydawn22
    @crazydawn22 10 месяцев назад +4

    2:13 "almost nobody calls other people what they call themselves" is basically just how highschool insults and nicknames work.

  • @ducciomori46
    @ducciomori46 10 месяцев назад

    21:10 the way you rightly pronounced the words, yet still having a very marked accent is something i never thought to be possible

  • @stepharoth
    @stepharoth 10 месяцев назад +3

    Blue, you could have talked about this concept for 3 hours and I would've been enraptured the entire time. This flavour of history is my candy. Please never be afraid to make videos like this; I promise at least some of us (me) will eat it up. Grazie mille.

  • @samanthalouise641
    @samanthalouise641 10 месяцев назад +4

    Blue’s breakdown during the credits was amazing

  • @JohnJohnson-jr6hp
    @JohnJohnson-jr6hp 10 месяцев назад +10

    I was shocked when I read Count of Monte Cristo and realized Livorno became Leghorn. Leghorn!

    • @cloudkitt
      @cloudkitt 10 месяцев назад +9

      Well I say, boy, I say

  • @UM36991
    @UM36991 9 месяцев назад

    I’ve just listened to this after a pretty draining day and honestly Blue’s joy, excitement and self-effacing jokes about Italy and Italian have totally revitalised me! Thank you! 😊

  • @ajahrovat9431
    @ajahrovat9431 10 месяцев назад +3

    Please, as a violinist I am begging you for that second video idea, IT'S A NEED

  • @Jamndude3
    @Jamndude3 10 месяцев назад +1

    That feel when you think you knew and then you learn...it takes a lot of strength to go through and admit. Stay strong, Blue.

  • @Nasser851000
    @Nasser851000 10 месяцев назад +55

    *Insert Generic Italian Music*

    • @taylor_green_9
      @taylor_green_9 10 месяцев назад +2

      I can totally hear it right now

  • @multitaskingbumblebee213
    @multitaskingbumblebee213 10 месяцев назад +1

    I love the blue/red goes on a tangent about something they found weirdly fascinating, kind of videos. Surprise, surprise, it's often fascinating for the rest of us as well

  • @aulvinduergard9952
    @aulvinduergard9952 10 месяцев назад +4

    Gotta love that mini mental breakdown at the end where Blue comes to grips with how much more about Venice he has to learn. lol

  • @jjohansen86
    @jjohansen86 10 месяцев назад

    4:40 As someone who spent two years in Romania, speaks Romanian, loves Romania, and loves Romanian, I approve this message. Also they have possibly the most baller national anthem, written in the midst of the 1848 revolutions with a background of having been sandwiched between the Austrian, Ottoman, and Russian empires for centuries and with lyrics like "now or never sew a new fate for yourselves to which even your cruel enemies will bow," "'Life in liberty or death' we all shout," "Better to die in battle with eternal glory than to once again be slaves in our ancient lands," and, because this video is all about the Roman connection, they even celebrate that with "Let us show the world that through these arms Roman blood still flows." I mean, nothing coming out of the 1848 revolutions messes around, but the Romanians really capture that spirit.

  • @popelite9926
    @popelite9926 10 месяцев назад +4

    *Mentions Petrarca, Dante and Machiavelli*
    *leaves out Boccaccio*
    You caused me an amount of pain that my degree in italian literature cannot stand blue, you did the 3 corone dirty...

  • @Myllorelion
    @Myllorelion 10 месяцев назад +1

    I've gotta say, Blue, the tone and mood of this entire video is probably one of my favorites you've ever put out. And I don't necessarily care about the subject matter more than your dives into History and philosophy. Well done.

  • @Great_Olaf5
    @Great_Olaf5 10 месяцев назад +5

    Finally! He gets language! You have finally learned the secret linguists learn in year one: languages are a complete mess and it is worse than pointless to pass judgement.
    ... Now if only you could learn the eerily similar lesson that history students are supposed to learn in year one...

  • @louvegouroute
    @louvegouroute 10 месяцев назад +2

    OH BLUE. YOU NERD. what an amazing video, thanks ^^
    being french, i would *also* have blamed french, but my mom having been born in Sardinia, i am a tiiiiny bit sad that you didn't mention her native language ;)
    (makes sense, though, it's an island, nothing like even corsican, and there's no "big" city over there ^^ nice to learn about other regional languages of italy, really, thanks again that's a GREAT start to the year with your channel :D )

  • @MrLuizilla
    @MrLuizilla 10 месяцев назад +11

    Blue embracing his inner Ghiacco, love to see it

    • @blede8649
      @blede8649 10 месяцев назад +5

      *Ghiaccio

  • @mattmcd2803
    @mattmcd2803 10 месяцев назад

    The Mario “Oh nooo!” at 7:40 was *chef’s kiss*

  • @maarcvaalmaarcvaal8325
    @maarcvaalmaarcvaal8325 10 месяцев назад +4

    Grazie mille per aver parlato dei tanti dialetti che ha l'Italia! Io stesso parlo solo il dialetto romanesco (e ovviamente l'italiano), quindi vederti riconoscere tutte queste lingue è davvero bello. :)

  • @raventreye2326
    @raventreye2326 10 месяцев назад +1

    this is one of my new favorite videos from Blue. I love etymology and the language rabbit hole, so this was very fascinating