I think the 2019 16 inch MBP is actually not a terrible value. It is the best performing x86 MacBook and so you could easily dual boot windows or Linux with good performance. I am triple booted to get the best of three worlds
Me too…the only halfway nice thing is that I wore it out and Apple replaced it with a new one under AppleCare. So… should I upgrade to a new MB Air? My computer is literally only 3 months old because of Apple giving me a brand new replacement. To tell you the truth I use my large iPad Pro 3 times mor than that laptop. I have an ancient PC on my desktop with 3 monitors, one is a good 30”, the others are 27”. If I could buy an iMac 27” (or 30” or 32”) with an M2 or M3 processor I would grab it. Oh well, my buddy just bought a Mac Studio M1 two weeks before the M2 version came out. His M1 Studio is maxed out, and he bought the Studio Monitor as well, it was over $5000. He claims he is still happy…
I actually bought one of those 16” MacBook Pros for $700. I desperately needed an upgrade from my 2013 MBP, and while Apple Silicon Macs are incredible, I still need to run x86 Windows occasionally, so getting a 16” Intel MBP was the best option for me. Plenty of performance and the battery life is good enough, I’m happy with it.
I don't think so haha. When switching from PowerPC to Intel, Apple stopped supporting PowerPC on the latest OSX after 3 years. Apple will definitely not support the Intel architecture for much longer, I think it will be in 2025 at the latest. But you can use Win11/12 then...
Same situation, aging 2013 with dead battery. I still went for a refurbished M1, despite the significantly steeper price. I was there when the PPC->Intel transition happened, and you wouldn't want to have bought a G5 at that time either.
The windows part is useful but if you really want to game you can buy a laptop with a core i7 9th or 10th gen and 2070m for the same price and it will easily beat the MacBook in gaming performance
Suspect the M1s are coming down in price fast because there is absolutely no way to upgrade them, and also Apple themselves are deep discounting on their Refurbished store, so that’s going to force second hand prices right down.
@@pauljazzman408 it can be, its not perfect but its incredibly good for what it is. The motherboard wasn't designed around running windows, but at the end of the day with the intel chip it's practically identical in all the important ways to any other windows machine.
I did what Luke mentioned at the end of the video, and went with a used M1 Pro 16", used to have an M1 13" Air. Got it for $1350 and was barely used from a car tuner who had it as a backup laptop.
I paid just over $3000 for a 16 inch MacBook Pro in April 2020. Fortunately, I sold it in March 2021 for $1800. That felt like a huge mark down and loss even at that time. It was what I needed at the time, but super frustrating as it would shut down from overheating if I had too many things open at once. Got $1000 M1 MacBook Air with 16 GB of RAM from Apple's refurbished store, and it has yet to crash under a heavy workload. I'm going to stick with it until it dies. Who knows, maybe by then I can get a refurbished M4 or M5 15 inch Air. Or maybe there will be an iPad that supports macOS. I can dream can't I! 😬
Come on man You're not really giving enough credit to how great this laptop was. And still is. I'm literally launching a video editing business and I don't have to upgrade. I thought I had a bottleneck, but I was just using my software wrong. Once I realized 1080p didn't have to be 80mbps bitrate, It feels like a brand new computer. It's so snappy. And I don't have that stupid notch. You can have your notchbook pro! My export times are like 10 minutes. If you're not standing up to walk around 10 minutes every 3 hours you're going to shorten your life expectancy anyway. ... Admittedly, I might feel like it's worth an upgrade if I was editing 4K, or using more AI now that that's mainstream for video editing (DaVinci magic mask and such)... But right now I don't even have a problem to solve. If I upgrade it I wouldn't actually notice the difference other than cutting my beloved 10 minute walks down to 5 minutes. This laptop is still awesome.
Luke -- your video convinced me to buy a 2019 MacBook Pro 16 inch / i9 / 32GB / 512GB / 5300M for $855 off of eBay (with a 1 year warranty). This way I can ride out the M1 and M2 series until the M3 comes out in 2024. And just like you pointed out, if the M1's are already dropping in price, imagine what the M2's will be selling for on eBay in 2024.
Writing this from a 2019 16" 2.3GHz i9/32GB/8GB/1TB I bought new. Zero regrets. Not having to deal with the transition has absolutely been worth it. I do hardware/software development and integration for a startup. This has given me the flexibility to do most of the things I've needed as my primary machine without having to deal with any kind of dependency compatibility issues etc. Also don't see any reason to upgrade at this point at all. I mostly run in clamshell mode mounted on the wall, heatsink + vrm "modded" and an aggressive fan profile (loud environment regardless). This is still way more stable and convenient to use than my 7900x machine. I don't think AS has egpu support still and haven't heard any mentions of it being a future offering. Feels weird not itching to upgrade, but I don't need to fully rebuild my development environment. I appreciate all those who are finding the quirks, fixing bugs, and making the platform more usable in the meantime though!
My 16” 2019 i9 is still great. I also like that it is smaller and lighter than the replacement. Also works better for docker and music plugins. It also cost a fortune as 32gb/2tb!
That's very similar to the PPC > Intel transition. The G5 towers and G4 Powerbooks were so hard to get rid of during that time. I took a very huge loss in order to get rid of my Power Mac G5 dual.
I'm kinda glad this happened because I was able to get my first Macs when I was a broke student. I got a dual 1.25GHz PowerMac G4 for free and later a G5 Quad for $100. Even the G4 was an upgrade over the Pentium 4 Windows box I was daily driving...
@@mavfan1 That was the whole reason for the transition, so almost everyone acknowledged that Intel was better. PowerPC was competitive for a time, and then they fell behind. It's as simple as that. And now, when Intel wasn't doing it for Apple, they went to something better.
@@mavfan1As big as a Apple fan I am, even I knew that Intel was better than Power PC, even though I got a steal of a deal on my Polycarbonate G4 macbook😊
Great video. Luke I think you are “misremembering” the transition slightly. The Intel MacBook was a MUST when plenty of people predicted the Apple silicon chip would be a failure! How many tech experts were skeptical about Apple basically putting an “IPAD” chip in their laptops? ARM, seriously? Apple was a laughing stock and MANY buyers refused to buy the M1 and HAPPILY choose the Intel model. Hindsight is 20/20 but fear of a weak processor on top of the belief that optimizing would take years had many buyers passing on M1 initially.
If you buy any computer, be it laptop or desktop, Intel or ARM, and use it to earn hundreds of times its purchase price, then it is well worth its price, whatever that price is. If you buy a computer to sit around idle or just play games rather than earn money then you are not getting your money's worth, no matter what the purchase price was... People buy various brands and styles of automobiles because they like their appearance or seat comfort or cargo capacity or acceleration or reliability or entertainment system etc. Computers are no different.
The issue with apple silicon not holding it's value is less about the "processor" and more the "system on a chip" problem. ram isn't upgradeable, and storage isn't upgradeable. while the RAM doesn't wear out, the storage definitely does and it doesn't make sense to buy non-upgradeable storage of unknown lifespan.
It is truth that storage wear out with time. But to be honest, I've never seen a device that had to be changed because the storage was broken due to lifespan. I have laptops with more than 7 years with the same SSD(and not high end quality SSD). So, even tough you buy a 2 or 3 years old laptop the biggest chances are you are going to replace it because lack of power, software obsolescence and not because the internal storage is wore out
@@lechuck2011 I'm daily driving 12-13 year old machines, with upgrades. I haven't worn out any of my ssd's either, but the thing is, if I do, they can be replaced. Apple silicon machines, not so much. From my understanding, you can't even easily boot the machines from external drives after the internal dies, so they really will be worthless, and that's just sad.
For sure, they are still amazing laptops built to a much higher price point than they are sold at now - most Windows laptops can't compete, and those that can (like the Razer Blade) suffer from reliability issues. Also, Bootcamp.
Funny enough, this is the exact model of MBP I'm trying to buy right now (keeping an eye out for a good deal) for the better x86 game support. As more games are brought over via GPTK I'm sure the need for it will be lessened, but until then it seems like the better way to go.
On M1 Parallels, you basically use the ARM windows and have to get stuck with emulation. So, at the end of the day, Bootcamp is still a point to buy these 2019 intel macs.
The 2019 16" was my first MacBook. I had the base model, since I was only using it for video editing smaller projects at FHD. It had a lot of defects, but overall wasn't the worst computer I had. I got an M1 Max base model, and it's so much better. The 2019 felt like a pretty mediocre laptop with good software, whereas the 2021 feels like a really good laptop with good software. So glad I was able to upgrade, and give my old one to my partner.
I have to agree with you, I had the same one, it was a good machine relative to the other Mac’s and it had the updated keyboard. I also upgraded to a 2023 MacBook Pro 16 and it’s miles better with it being faster and having the ports. I liked my intel back in the day but the apple silicon was much better
Max i would pay is £350-£380, cant do any higher I was abt to get the 2019 macbook pro with the i5 256gb and 8gb of ram until the price went up father than what it was worth… so I’ll js settle with the m1 air its all I can afford 🌚
I'm still incredibly satisfied with my 16 inch 5600m macbook, but thats only because I pushed it beyond the limits that apple probably intended it to. I do miss out on faster encoding times which is sad since I mainly use my device for animation and video editing, but i did make this laptop a gaming beast. I did the VRM mod which allows the device the thermal headroom it needs to game under bootcamp, and then on top of that, it has egpu support so I can go even crazier with vr and more demanding games, as well as take advantage of better Metal rendering in apps like Blender. Apple Silicon is great because you can easily get performance, but if you know what you are doing, the 16 inch 2019 macbook can flex HARD in the areas where apple silicon flounders.
just got one for my birthday for £900 (i9 32gb ram 5300m) and i'm honestly really happy with it, the seller got the battery, keyboard and touch bar replaced recently and it's in perfect condition. im fully aware that i'm missing out on insane apple silicon performance but it satisfies plentifully for what i need it for (music production and video editing)
Whats up? Bro i was thinking to buy a 16 inch mb pro for music production, my actual laptop it’s a Lenovo with 8 gb of ram, how is your experience with the 2019 mb pro? Do you recommend buying one or wait for the m1?
Whats up? Bro i was thinking to buy a 16 inch mb pro for music production, my actual laptop it’s a Lenovo with 8 gb of ram, how is your experience with the 2019 mb pro? Do you recommend buying one or wait for the m1?
I bought a MBP 16" 2.4Ghz i9 64Gb 8Tb SSD and it's the biggest dog on earth. over heating and on its 3rd keyboard case replacement. Apple should be ashamed!
I bought a 16" i9 2.3 with 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD and 5500m on the apple refurb store for £3200 in May 2020. I don't regret buying it at all as I still have windows compatibility, which is important to me.
I think anytime Apple changes platform, the old machines lose value very quickly. I was able to get a 16" M1, one terabyte from Amazon "Renewed", came in a sealed Apple "certified" box, with the pull off films, 100% battery, from what I can tell, was brand new for $1,600. Why buy an Intel Mac for the same price?
I’m seriously considering not buying any more Apple computers. I don’t trust my M1 Mac mini because I can’t replace the SSD and I don’t know how long it will last. There are plenty of M1 minis that have had SSD failures which totally bricks the computer. Windows 11 is very polished. I just purchased a nice Win 11 machine to try out. It is much smaller than my Mac mini. It’s made by Beelink. I also purchased 2 AceMagic computers that are smaller yet and am trying different Linux distros on them. I might be leaving the Mac community because of the unrepairable drives.
I just got a gaming macbook pro 15.6 inch 2017 for 250usd it haves a i7 and a radeon 560 this is very important cause I also do boot to windows and I can play with that radeon 560 is pretty much a ps4 portable... not all the macbook comes with radeon so try to get a radeon gpu 560 these are very good and can hold value when reselling
You only took a bath if you actually sell your Macs, and I wonder how many people do. My apartment is like an Apple museum with all the old Mac computers I have laying around, because I usually use one until the software I need begins to crawl before buying another computer.
Yep! Apple tax! A girl was asking me to by her a Mac when the keyboard was an issue. I told her no, that it was best to wait until the silicon switch. We’re no longer together and didn’t take the financial hit. No interested in getting an intel Mac.
But I like my 16" 2019 MBP. I use it everyday. Why would I need to upgrade, it still works extremely well. Are you telling me I shouldn't still like it? I will probably still keep using it for many years too. Should I not?
The only reason I would want to get the 2019 MacBook pro 16 inch is because of the design and reliable keyboard. I like the only usb c minimalistic MacBook design more than the new design. But with the price of it being over $1000 make it not worth it
I bought my 2019 MacBook Pro 16 in March of 2020. And have never regretted it. It’s perfect for what I have needed and still works great. Only thing I want from the new ones is better battery life. I am planning on upgrading to the new 16 in 2024 sometime.
So basically, I have the same 16" i9 9980HK, 32GB DDR4 and 4GB 5300M and I like to work on it majorly because of Bootcamp. Game a little bit and enjoying the dual boot. But on the other hand, my wife has an M1 Air with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD, she is happy with that as her major tasks are watching movies and browsing web. At the end of the day, we both are happy with our machines as it solves our "purpose" (and basically since these both are our secondary machines, office Windows laptops being the first). At times, you do have to understand that what you have meets the need, it really doesn't matter. :)
I’m a software developer and bought the 2016 MBP fully loaded when it came out. I’m typing this comment on it right now. I have a love / hate relationship with it. I bought it because it was touted that the cooling issues where resolved with this MBP. That is just not true. The think throttles and the fans blast UNLESS you are in a room that is 65 - 70 degrees. That being said, I also literally run 4 old thunderbolt displays off of it and a ton of peripherals (audio interface, 2 stream decks mouse, keyboards, hard drives) and it pushes all of that as long as I’m in a cool room. I got my money’s worth out of this machine with the amount I made on it. But I still regret getting it. I wish I just waited one year later. That being said, I’m going to get a fully loaded M2 Mac Studio to replace it and not look back. I’ll use this as my “in the bed” or “on the couch” or “in the kitchen” machine. It will no longer be my daily driver, and just a casual mobile machine for light work.
Happened when we went from the G4 and G5 to intel chips. Long time users have seen this over and over. Those 2019 i9's will have a much shorter system support life.
For me it’s all about the software, and audio software seems to take longer to port than others and sometimes not at all. I’m still booting an intel machine in mavericks as the software won’t run on anything newer! I have newer machines for web etc but they don’t need to be super fast just responsive.
Last month I bought a 2019 16” MacBook Pro 2.4 i9 for £600. Very happy as it’s in pretty new condition & only use it for graphic design/ photoshop & illustrator. Still probably should have saved up for M1/M2 but for the price I paid I’m happy.
My colleagues at the office still use 2019 16”, I am on a 16” M1 base model, they don’t seem to complain. I think they are still usable, I would get one under 1000 if I needed one
Luke lives in a different world where people upgrade every year. Occasionally he'll acknowledge this but then it's right back to calling machine that he fawned over a couple of years ago, obsolete even though it still performs fine for the people that use it.
@@mavfan1 I get it his job is to be opinionated, and excited about the new thing. It is also true that the value left on those Intel models is very bad. I guess if you own one and still works, you’ll keep it until it dies. That what most of us do anyway. I agree
The nice thing about these last gen of Intel Macs is that they are the last and best machines for dual booting Windows, as well as Intel Emulation. Also, while they’re nowhere near as fast for data intensive work, like video editing, they’re still highly usable for everything day-to-day, and will be for the next 5 years, at least. Unless you’re trying to get certain workloads done as fast as possible, or have maximum possible laptop battery life, there’s really no need to upgrade these until they no longer get security updates from Apple.
I agree the dual boot is pretty cool and it could see more life left as a windows machine. When I owned the 2019 model I got windows 11 to run on it. Although the Mac OS support is quite scary being that this machine likley has 2 years left and that’s it because of apples pace of dropping intel macs
@@thatretailguru Yeah, I think there's 2 kinds of people that will use these going forward: those who want a large screen and don't know or care about OS support (like my parents), and those who will tinker and get newer OSes running years after they're no longer supported. In the case of macOS, there will be a hard cut-like when Apple Drops Intel support, but at the rate they've been moving with hardware lately, I think we have 2-3 more years of Intel support, then 2 years after for security updates. So, 4-5 years of OS support. Then about 5 more years after that of 3rd party browser support.
Yeah I spent way too much on my USED near top of the line 16" Intel last year that I had repaired (about $5k total). It works well overall, though I have a few glitches. I needed the Intel virtualization for my side consulting business. I should've just bought an Intel Mac mini and remoted into it when I needed it, and replaced the laptop with an Apple Silicon model instead. Oh well. Can't replace it again right now.
I got my 16 inch back when I worked at apple for a pretty good discount and it still performs well, the fans are loud under workload and the battery is pretty trash when editing, but still love this thing. This to me is the perfect MacBook, the compromises of the M1 chip software restrictions and the terrible QC on the prior MacBooks places this as the one that come out of the battle victorious.
I also like my 16 inch 2019 MBP. It is considerable quiter than my last Macbook, a Macbook Pro 15" mid 2015 Core I7, ever was . I miss Magsafe and some other than USB C built in ports. Do not plan on selling my MBP so second hand price does not matter.
Mine was super bad and I had to use the dGPU all the time otherwise it would crash and lag like crazy when typing lol, I’m glad I sold that piece of junk and got the 14” M1 Pro
I as a visually impaired user bought the 16 inch in June of 2020 to use for high school. The battery life isn’t great and it does get hot, but it’s still a great machine and handles most everything I throw at it. Do I regret my purchase? No. At the time that I needed it, it was available. Though expensive, it 9:39 did not disappoint and still continues to deliver a great experience. I am looking forward to upgrading to Apple Silicon in the coming year(s).
2020 was the first year I became truly "tech literate" and I bought a 2019 13" MBP with the base i5 and the base storage. I saw Apple Silicon and got a 13" MBP as a test fully intending to return it because "It's just a year, how much improvement could they possibly make?" I ended up just keeping it. 3 years later, here I sit after getting heavy into photography and multimedia with my 14" M2 Max with 64GB of RAM and 2TB of storage. I think I'd cry if I ever had to use an Intel machine again, especially for what I do now.
Yes there are situations where a 16inch Macbook Pro makes sense. In our company we have to use Windows for developing our software and also industrial PLC software. We used Macbooks with Parallels running virtual Windows. That was better than running native on a PC and the virtualization gave many advantages. Even today with a 2022 PC running Windows in VMWare the 16inch Macbook is better and much much more stable. Unfortunately you can’r run a x86 Windows in Parallels on a M Macbook, the software like VPN clients we need for supporting our customers doesn’t run on an Arm based Windows. That’s why we unfortunately have to switch to PC and VMWare.
The price you mentioned at 4:27 is the same price Apple is willing to give you at trade in for a late 2021 MacBook Pro with maxed out specs ($6500 at initial purchase I believe). 2019 was 3 years ago. If you've used the machine as a business tool and made your money with it or gotten your use out of it, I think that $1500 isn't the worst for the 2019 MacBook Pro, especially a machine on the old hardware with Intel. Computers have depreciated worse than cars for a while now so I try to keep things in the perspective of, what is the machine for? If it has served it's purpose for me, a quarter of what I've paid for it initially probably makes sense 3 or 4 years later. It certainly doesn't feel good, but I get it. That being said, I also understand the frustration of someone buying a machine that becomes completely outclassed with a level up machine just a short while later. The release of the M1 Pro laptop had me scrambling fast to figure out a game plan to upgrade after getting the 2019 Intel edition.
The one advantage this MBP still has over Apple Silicon is compatibility. With an Intel processor, there’s a significantly larger library of compatible software for it, since developers have been compiling Intel Mac software since 2006, and while the compatibility layer for running Intel apps on Apple Silicon is decent, it’s still not perfect. And I hate to use the dreaded “W”’word, but these can technically boot Windows (and also Wine API) which again, dramatically expands the software library that the machine can use. So if you’re a user looking for the latest-and-greatest, these are pretty awful, but if you’re a user who wants to run older apps that might be finicky on Apple Silicon, these are a steal.
Why would I still buy one, because my daughter is going to study architecture in the fall and architecture software runs on Windows and Silicon Macs don’t run Bootcamp.
Last November I bought a refurbished MacBook Pro Retina 15.4-inch (2019) - Core i9 - 32GB - SSD 1024GB for a total of $1,062.40. It's a great machine for what I do with music production. In a couple of years will get a 3nm silicone Macbook Pro .
I had a 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro up until 2 weeks ago and liked it for the most part being that it had a great display and was thin. But the machine was very loud and hot under load. The location of the vents meant that my legs would block the vents at the back, which meant I had to use it on a desk. I recently upgraded to a 2023 MacBook Pro 16 inch with 512GB ssd and 16 GB of ram!! It’s a huge improvement. All day battery life, super fast, fans never go on full blast, and having the ports back is amazing! It is a little thicker than the old one but for the better cooling it’s well worth it
I actually remember them introducing Instant On with the first SSD only Intel Macbook Air iirc. And then they introduced it again (and much faster) with Apple Silicon lol.
I had the fully-loaded 560x MacBook Pro that I picked up when the 16” came out for half its original price. Never got on with the Butterfly keyboard so it mostly ended up docked with an eGPU and external keyboard & trackpad. In many ways the 2015 MBP is superior even with its slow graphics and Haswell-era CPU. I switched to an M1 Air in 2021 and the baseline performance is phenomenal given the lower power consumption but I missed my eGPU and Bootcamp and running x86 VMs so I now have an i9 16” with the 8GB 5500M and 64GB of RAM. I picked that up on eBay last year for a fraction of its list price and it’s been my daily driver ever since. That 1” extra screen space is amazing. At some point I’d like to upgrade to a fully loaded 5600M but it’s rare to see any model in the UK with that and the import duty from the US isn’t currently worth it. I’m also thinking of selling the M1 Air as I’ve a couple of homebuild 2017 Macbook 12” machines that take up that bit less space in my bag. Their Butterfly keyboards are quite pleasant to type on (maybe the only real use case for them was in such a slim machine) and recent macOS updates allow the screen to be run at higher than 900p resolution. Mostly I use them for coding on the go and Keynote, both of which they handle admirably. The days of the Intel Macs are clearly numbered in terms of macOS support but they’re still great bits of kit and unlike Apple Silicon there are plenty of alternative operating systems for them. The MacBook 12 running Windows or Linux is far more elegant than any of the PC alternatives and the prices on eBay are ludicrously low for their build quality, performance, and the general ease with which parts can be swapped out. Now if only Apple would launch a modern Macbook 12 with a single USB4 port and a down-clocked M1 or M2 processor.
I got my M1 Pro 14” a month ago refurbished for $1300 and it’s amazing. I’m glad it was such a low price or it would’ve been a no-go after I broke the screen on my 2017 15”. I almost bought a 16” for $700 and until I got this M1 I was unaware of the buck converter issue that kills so many 16” MBPs and leaves the data unrecoverable with no warning. Dodged a bullet
This was a very enjoyable video Luke. As to your question, yes I would buy a 2019, Intel MacBook, a 2017, 27-inch "space gray" iMac Pro, and even a 2019, Tower Mac Pro. Why? For the same reason that, I buy all of my Apple computer systems... is have fun. The Intel systems will run all the older software, support "boot camp", and even run the Linux operating system, etc. (smile...smile).
Got 16“ in end of 2019. Performance was very solid, did lot of work using this machine, productivity increased, so it was worth it. Only complaint was freaking noise and overheating.
I bought one of the 16 inch Intel MBPs on purpose because it was the end of an era. In 20 years I am going to have the highest spec last Intel MBP and it is gonna be so cool lol.
I bought a 2019 16 inch (used) base model back in January for $700. It has AppleCare through August 2024 (this definitely influenced pulling the trigger on this purchase). I have to say that I do not regret my decision AT ALL. I also have an M1 Air (16gb version, bought at launch). I do love the M1 Air for certain tasks and situations, but I find myself using the Intel 16” much more. Being able to run Windows via Bootcamp is just a special thing. It’s like having two computers in one. It’s plenty powerful for my needs and has a big beautiful screen and awesome speakers. To be honest Touch ID and Apple Watch unlock work faster (and more reliably) on my Intel Mac. I know it will never be worth a whole lot resale wise, but I already bought it secondhand for dirt cheap. I will use it for a couple more years at the very least. Great computer.
I just scored a 2016 15in touchbar for 150 because the battery is saying it needs replaced so I'm buying a battery with the tools from ifixit next month Edit - the battery is lasting about 3 hours
the 16" Intel MBP is still my favourite in terms of form factor vs screen quality, and at least it has a good keyboard. The M2 MacBook Air 15" is the perfect replacement for an Intel 15/16"
I just bought a 2015 2.5 i7 quad core MacBook Pro with dual GPU and it is in absolutely flawless condition as good as the day it was removed from the original apple packaging. I bought it on back market and only paid $395, I feel blessed because it's fast, it's beautiful, the screen is great and it could probably last me for 10 years considering I only use it for web browsing and minor Photoshop task.
I have the last intel 16 and I love it! I regularly boot into windows and I’ve recently downgraded it back to catalina so it’s almost as fast as apple silicon - Bug Sur really ruined the intel macs performance. Work gave me a 14 inch M2, which I use daily and i’m not impressed. Yeah the battery life and thermals are amazing but it kinda sucks at doing my job and it especially sucks at running docker containers - qemu is painfully slow.
Different economics mean different decisions. I see no value and paying top dollar for an Intel Mac, but they do still have uses. I’m kind of shocked to see the M1 used prices tank like this… A 16 inch M1 Max is very appealing.
I fired up my 2015 Mac Pro 15 inch , funny how the fan runs basically all the time when doing anything intense. Dont miss it at all except the 15 inch screen which I ordered the M2 Air 15 cant wait.
I almost bought one a month ago for $1,549 from Woot! to migrate from my Late 2014 27" iMac with 32GB RAM and 1TB storage. Then I found on Adorama a 16" M2 Pro 32GB 512GB SSD for $1,949. I'm a little pissed that I can't use the iMac as a second monitor on the Macbook Pro. And while I love Apple, I can't justify spending that kind of money for a monitor - and I stare at them all day when I'm not out shooting. Their Studio Display is essentially, my iMac and $1,500 for its screen/speakers/camera/stand is crazy. The Pro Display XLR with Nano-Textured glass is $6K and it comes with no stand. Adding the Pro Stand brings us to $6,998. And my IRA appreciates everyone who buys one more than you know.
I carry a Dell G15 5510 (IIRC) that is FINE and games as well (4GB 3050Ti). All day long brand new for under $1000. Yes, battery life. But the screen, keyboard, trackpad, speed, etc. are all good IMHO. The 16" is still under $1000 with 16gb/512Gb. And oh by the way, you can upgrade them....whaaaa? IIRC mine has a second spot for a second NVME. I have a Trashcan Mac I'm using now for home but on the road, iPad plus Dell. Pass on Apple laptops.
I'm still using my 2016 16" and will probably use it until it dies. As tempted as I am to upgrade, for my graphic design work, I have no real performance complaints. I could do without the jet engine fans coming on all the time, but other than that, it's still performing well.
I wouldn’t trade my 2019 16” for apple silicon yet. I love the form factor, the huge display, the thin design, the audio softwares preform better on Intel, I love the touchbar, the optional Bootcamp is great too. I bought mine a year ago for about 900 usd, and it was a great deal!
I took a massive L on my 2019 16 inch MBP (2.3GHz i9, 32GB, 1TB SSD, 5600M 8GB), bought for almost $6,000 NZD with education discount, sold for $2,200 NZD. But glad I sold it before the 15 inch Air came out cause I'd have lost even more money!
Went from 16in 2019 MBP 16/512 to a M1 Max Mac Studio 64/1tb and it’s like day and night The 16in is just an ok computer that doesn’t handle well under stress and dies way too fast off charger doing simple tasks. No editing 4k without proxies, absolute hell with after effects The Mac Studio solved all my problems and then some
Yes it sucks but I run my Macs into the ground. I was upgrading from a 2012 15" Retina at the time so it was a big upgrade for me. I still use a 2016 27" iMac to this day. Just because something is newer and better doesn't mean the old thing stops working. And thankfully my use case is flexible enough that when Apple stops supporting I can hop over to Linux if I need to.
Intel macs are where PowerPC macs were when they switched to intel. I am looking at a few M1 Mac mini’s with 16gb ram and 5132gb SSDs some are pretty good price vs their last 2018 Mac mini’s with i7 chips. The m2 looks nice but my budget is tight.
I bought a 16 inch i9 5600M and when I saw the DTK Mac Mini transition kit I sold it. Went back to my 2018 iMac until the M1 Mac Mini came out and then the later I picked up a M1 MAX Macbook. I was lucky but I was here the last time with a G5 during the Intel transition and I lost a ton of money and could not sell the G5. Lesson learned!
Got a Used Macbook Pro 2019 13-inch in okay condition for $344. Sent it in to get the keyboard replaced and basically got a new computer. They replaced the shell, the keyboard, and the battery. Apple is the best!
You have to consider that most people don’t buy a new MacBook for full price. I bought a 14 inch M3 pro 512GB for $1600+tax. In 3 years I’ll get most my money back
I bought my early 2019 15" with RAM upgrade for a good price in feb 2021 and don't regret it. It was in like-new condition and I paid half the price of the base model 14" M1, haven't had any issues with the keyboard or performance since I don't use it for heavy tasks, and very happy with how thin and light it is. I mostly wanted the bigger screen. A 15" air would be perfect for me, but still hundreds more than what I paid for this machine more than a year ago, so I think it'll be sticking around a few more years at least.
One thing I might disagree on is that the 16 inch from 2019 became a dinosaur 6 months later. Realistically it had no true successor for 2 whole years until the M1 Pro/Max 16 inch came out. After using one for that entire 2 years, the only real negative I had is the fans span up a bit too quickly and a bit too loud but other than that a solid machine in so many ways.
Apple absolutely kicked their customers down a flight of stairs with that trade in offer cause a 2020 MacBook Air M1 base model can be traded in for $510 LOL
I’ve upgraded from a 2015 macbook pro 15 inch to m2 MacBook Pro 13 inch (originally wanted m1 pro/max 14 inch) and i gotta say it’s a HUGE upgrade for me granted the whole supply chain on microchips being postponed for many months on ssd/ram configuration. Overall, i really love apple silicon and for a backup/play-around experiment old mac i’d get 2015-17 macbook air or 2020 Intel macbook pro 13 inches for 100 and 500 below respectively.
Watching the video on a 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro 🙂
Same here 🙃
watching on 15inch air😅
I think the 2019 16 inch MBP is actually not a terrible value. It is the best performing x86 MacBook and so you could easily dual boot windows or Linux with good performance. I am triple booted to get the best of three worlds
I just gave ours to my intern and he is happy
Me too…the only halfway nice thing is that I wore it out and Apple replaced it with a new one under AppleCare. So… should I upgrade to a new MB Air? My computer is literally only 3 months old because of Apple giving me a brand new replacement. To tell you the truth I use my large iPad Pro 3 times mor than that laptop.
I have an ancient PC on my desktop with 3 monitors, one is a good 30”, the others are 27”. If I could buy an iMac 27” (or 30” or 32”) with an M2 or M3 processor I would grab it.
Oh well, my buddy just bought a Mac Studio M1 two weeks before the M2 version came out. His M1 Studio is maxed out, and he bought the Studio Monitor as well, it was over $5000. He claims he is still happy…
I actually bought one of those 16” MacBook Pros for $700. I desperately needed an upgrade from my 2013 MBP, and while Apple Silicon Macs are incredible, I still need to run x86 Windows occasionally, so getting a 16” Intel MBP was the best option for me. Plenty of performance and the battery life is good enough, I’m happy with it.
I too got an i9 16GB and 1Tb for $750. Should last for another 5-7yrs
I don't think so haha. When switching from PowerPC to Intel, Apple stopped supporting PowerPC on the latest OSX after 3 years. Apple will definitely not support the Intel architecture for much longer, I think it will be in 2025 at the latest. But you can use Win11/12 then...
Same situation, aging 2013 with dead battery. I still went for a refurbished M1, despite the significantly steeper price. I was there when the PPC->Intel transition happened, and you wouldn't want to have bought a G5 at that time either.
Being able to run x86 windows and do some light gaming is a redeeming quality for the old MacBooks.
Agreed. Mainly the x86 Windows part.
The windows part is useful but if you really want to game you can buy a laptop with a core i7 9th or 10th gen and 2070m for the same price and it will easily beat the MacBook in gaming performance
A m1 air and ps5 worth more
I needed an Intel Mac before the big switch, so the Pro with with the i9 and the 5600m with HBM were essential. Peace.
Very true. I have an 8 year old MacBook Pro that runs Windows 11 without breaking a sweat.
I sold mine as soon as I saw what Apple silicon could do and still took a huge loss
I was able to get a fair price for my 2018 Mac mini but it was mostly luck.
didn't know Apple was in the silicone biz! 😉
Suspect the M1s are coming down in price fast because there is absolutely no way to upgrade them, and also Apple themselves are deep discounting on their Refurbished store, so that’s going to force second hand prices right down.
Yes, no customer repairability is hitting back!
Don't forget the rumors of Apple throttling all their old hardware to make people buy a brand new device.
@@edunet-lk507 Repair and upgrade not the same. They can be repaired.
i agree
I think that unironically, at that price point and spec the 16 inch MacBook Pro is a good buy just to bootcamp and use as a windows device.
Is gaming good under boot camp and steam?
@@pauljazzman408 I used to play warzone on a 16 inch pro. Actually wasn’t bad and that was the base model
@@pauljazzman408 it can be, its not perfect but its incredibly good for what it is. The motherboard wasn't designed around running windows, but at the end of the day with the intel chip it's practically identical in all the important ways to any other windows machine.
Hook it up to a eGPU enclosure with a decent card and you get a great gaming setup. First hand experience of this.
@@pauljazzman408i have played nier automata on it with no problems
I did what Luke mentioned at the end of the video, and went with a used M1 Pro 16", used to have an M1 13" Air. Got it for $1350 and was barely used from a car tuner who had it as a backup laptop.
I paid just over $3000 for a 16 inch MacBook Pro in April 2020. Fortunately, I sold it in March 2021 for $1800. That felt like a huge mark down and loss even at that time. It was what I needed at the time, but super frustrating as it would shut down from overheating if I had too many things open at once. Got $1000 M1 MacBook Air with 16 GB of RAM from Apple's refurbished store, and it has yet to crash under a heavy workload. I'm going to stick with it until it dies. Who knows, maybe by then I can get a refurbished M4 or M5 15 inch Air. Or maybe there will be an iPad that supports macOS. I can dream can't I! 😬
macOS on an iPad Pro is my dream as well.
woah, you never run out of ram on the m1? happens to me quite often, thank god i never bought a pre-m1 MBP
SEE A PSYCHIATRIST. THE RULE: NEVER PAY MORE THAN $500.00 DOLLARS FOR ANY LAPTOP.
@@THE-COOL-GIRL-CHANNEL maybe $700.
Come on man You're not really giving enough credit to how great this laptop was. And still is. I'm literally launching a video editing business and I don't have to upgrade. I thought I had a bottleneck, but I was just using my software wrong. Once I realized 1080p didn't have to be 80mbps bitrate, It feels like a brand new computer. It's so snappy. And I don't have that stupid notch. You can have your notchbook pro! My export times are like 10 minutes. If you're not standing up to walk around 10 minutes every 3 hours you're going to shorten your life expectancy anyway.
... Admittedly, I might feel like it's worth an upgrade if I was editing 4K, or using more AI now that that's mainstream for video editing (DaVinci magic mask and such)... But right now I don't even have a problem to solve. If I upgrade it I wouldn't actually notice the difference other than cutting my beloved 10 minute walks down to 5 minutes. This laptop is still awesome.
Luke -- your video convinced me to buy a 2019 MacBook Pro 16 inch / i9 / 32GB / 512GB / 5300M for $855 off of eBay (with a 1 year warranty). This way I can ride out the M1 and M2 series until the M3 comes out in 2024. And just like you pointed out, if the M1's are already dropping in price, imagine what the M2's will be selling for on eBay in 2024.
I still have my 2019 MBP 16” and I still love it. I’m still not ready to change it even though Apple Silicon exists. I do have the i9 version.
Agreed. I have the same i9
Same, I have i9-9980HK version. As a software dev this machine gets the job done with no issues. Bootcamp is also a great bonus.
How much ram
@@emilsecker7881how much ram u got
@@imserdar😮 u max the ram?
Writing this from a 2019 16" 2.3GHz i9/32GB/8GB/1TB I bought new. Zero regrets. Not having to deal with the transition has absolutely been worth it. I do hardware/software development and integration for a startup. This has given me the flexibility to do most of the things I've needed as my primary machine without having to deal with any kind of dependency compatibility issues etc. Also don't see any reason to upgrade at this point at all.
I mostly run in clamshell mode mounted on the wall, heatsink + vrm "modded" and an aggressive fan profile (loud environment regardless). This is still way more stable and convenient to use than my 7900x machine. I don't think AS has egpu support still and haven't heard any mentions of it being a future offering.
Feels weird not itching to upgrade, but I don't need to fully rebuild my development environment. I appreciate all those who are finding the quirks, fixing bugs, and making the platform more usable in the meantime though!
My 16” 2019 i9 is still great. I also like that it is smaller and lighter than the replacement. Also works better for docker and music plugins. It also cost a fortune as 32gb/2tb!
That's very similar to the PPC > Intel transition. The G5 towers and G4 Powerbooks were so hard to get rid of during that time.
I took a very huge loss in order to get rid of my Power Mac G5 dual.
Mac fans don't like to acknowledge that Intel was better than Power PC chips.
As someone who bought a fairly well equipped G4 PowerBook at that time, I recall this very well, haha.
I'm kinda glad this happened because I was able to get my first Macs when I was a broke student. I got a dual 1.25GHz PowerMac G4 for free and later a G5 Quad for $100. Even the G4 was an upgrade over the Pentium 4 Windows box I was daily driving...
@@mavfan1 That was the whole reason for the transition, so almost everyone acknowledged that Intel was better. PowerPC was competitive for a time, and then they fell behind. It's as simple as that. And now, when Intel wasn't doing it for Apple, they went to something better.
@@mavfan1As big as a Apple fan I am, even I knew that Intel was better than Power PC, even though I got a steal of a deal on my Polycarbonate G4 macbook😊
Great video. Luke I think you are “misremembering” the transition slightly. The Intel MacBook was a MUST when plenty of people predicted the Apple silicon chip would be a failure! How many tech experts were skeptical about Apple basically putting an “IPAD” chip in their laptops? ARM, seriously? Apple was a laughing stock and MANY buyers refused to buy the M1 and HAPPILY choose the Intel model. Hindsight is 20/20 but fear of a weak processor on top of the belief that optimizing would take years had many buyers passing on M1 initially.
Yeah, this channel got a lot bigger when Luke basically nailed the predictions of M1 performance when everyone else was classic Apple doomsaying.
hmm i think you should reconsider your news sources ;)
If you buy any computer, be it laptop or desktop, Intel or ARM, and use it to earn hundreds of times its purchase price, then it is well worth its price, whatever that price is. If you buy a computer to sit around idle or just play games rather than earn money then you are not getting your money's worth, no matter what the purchase price was... People buy various brands and styles of automobiles because they like their appearance or seat comfort or cargo capacity or acceleration or reliability or entertainment system etc. Computers are no different.
The issue with apple silicon not holding it's value is less about the "processor" and more the "system on a chip" problem. ram isn't upgradeable, and storage isn't upgradeable. while the RAM doesn't wear out, the storage definitely does and it doesn't make sense to buy non-upgradeable storage of unknown lifespan.
It is truth that storage wear out with time. But to be honest, I've never seen a device that had to be changed because the storage was broken due to lifespan. I have laptops with more than 7 years with the same SSD(and not high end quality SSD). So, even tough you buy a 2 or 3 years old laptop the biggest chances are you are going to replace it because lack of power, software obsolescence and not because the internal storage is wore out
@@lechuck2011 I'm daily driving 12-13 year old machines, with upgrades. I haven't worn out any of my ssd's either, but the thing is, if I do, they can be replaced. Apple silicon machines, not so much. From my understanding, you can't even easily boot the machines from external drives after the internal dies, so they really will be worthless, and that's just sad.
I think the 2019 16" MBP if found for under $1000 is a great deal.
For sure, they are still amazing laptops built to a much higher price point than they are sold at now - most Windows laptops can't compete, and those that can (like the Razer Blade) suffer from reliability issues. Also, Bootcamp.
Depends on what you want . Battery life is way superior on a m1 air😊
And the m1 air goes for lie $700
@@aarohanyt7374 For some people, an immersive display is more important.
Funny enough, this is the exact model of MBP I'm trying to buy right now (keeping an eye out for a good deal) for the better x86 game support. As more games are brought over via GPTK I'm sure the need for it will be lessened, but until then it seems like the better way to go.
On M1 Parallels, you basically use the ARM windows and have to get stuck with emulation.
So, at the end of the day, Bootcamp is still a point to buy these 2019 intel macs.
if you wanna game dont buy a Mac, its as simple as that
The 2019 16" was my first MacBook. I had the base model, since I was only using it for video editing smaller projects at FHD. It had a lot of defects, but overall wasn't the worst computer I had. I got an M1 Max base model, and it's so much better. The 2019 felt like a pretty mediocre laptop with good software, whereas the 2021 feels like a really good laptop with good software. So glad I was able to upgrade, and give my old one to my partner.
I have to agree with you, I had the same one, it was a good machine relative to the other Mac’s and it had the updated keyboard. I also upgraded to a 2023 MacBook Pro 16 and it’s miles better with it being faster and having the ports. I liked my intel back in the day but the apple silicon was much better
Max i would pay is £350-£380, cant do any higher I was abt to get the 2019 macbook pro with the i5 256gb and 8gb of ram until the price went up father than what it was worth… so I’ll js settle with the m1 air its all I can afford 🌚
I'm still incredibly satisfied with my 16 inch 5600m macbook, but thats only because I pushed it beyond the limits that apple probably intended it to. I do miss out on faster encoding times which is sad since I mainly use my device for animation and video editing, but i did make this laptop a gaming beast. I did the VRM mod which allows the device the thermal headroom it needs to game under bootcamp, and then on top of that, it has egpu support so I can go even crazier with vr and more demanding games, as well as take advantage of better Metal rendering in apps like Blender. Apple Silicon is great because you can easily get performance, but if you know what you are doing, the 16 inch 2019 macbook can flex HARD in the areas where apple silicon flounders.
"incredibly satisfied" ... incredible!
Is there a link on how to do this?
how is it with the VRM temp wise? Any problems with the monitor? Is it usable with the internal keyboard?
I just sold my perfect condition 2019 MBP 4TB, 32GB, for $950. I consider myself lucky. This was so painful.
just got one for my birthday for £900 (i9 32gb ram 5300m) and i'm honestly really happy with it, the seller got the battery, keyboard and touch bar replaced recently and it's in perfect condition. im fully aware that i'm missing out on insane apple silicon performance but it satisfies plentifully for what i need it for (music production and video editing)
Whats up? Bro i was thinking to buy a 16 inch mb pro for music production, my actual laptop it’s a Lenovo with 8 gb of ram, how is your experience with the 2019 mb pro? Do you recommend buying one or wait for the m1?
Whats up? Bro i was thinking to buy a 16 inch mb pro for music production, my actual laptop it’s a Lenovo with 8 gb of ram, how is your experience with the 2019 mb pro? Do you recommend buying one or wait for the m1?
should of bought a better macbook air dope.
I bought a MBP 16" 2.4Ghz i9 64Gb 8Tb SSD and it's the biggest dog on earth. over heating and on its 3rd keyboard case replacement. Apple should be ashamed!
I bought a 16" i9 2.3 with 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD and 5500m on the apple refurb store for £3200 in May 2020. I don't regret buying it at all as I still have windows compatibility, which is important to me.
I think anytime Apple changes platform, the old machines lose value very quickly.
I was able to get a 16" M1, one terabyte from Amazon "Renewed", came in a sealed Apple "certified" box, with the pull off films, 100% battery, from what I can tell, was brand new for $1,600. Why buy an Intel Mac for the same price?
in my country a brand new MacBook Air 13 ( 13.6") Apple M3 with 8 GB, 256 GB SSD for 1421.4 USD
I’m seriously considering not buying any more Apple computers. I don’t trust my M1 Mac mini because I can’t replace the SSD and I don’t know how long it will last. There are plenty of M1 minis that have had SSD failures which totally bricks the computer.
Windows 11 is very polished. I just purchased a nice Win 11 machine to try out. It is much smaller than my Mac mini. It’s made by Beelink. I also purchased 2 AceMagic computers that are smaller yet and am trying different Linux distros on them. I might be leaving the Mac community because of the unrepairable drives.
2 words: Boot Camp
I just got a gaming macbook pro 15.6 inch 2017 for 250usd it haves a i7 and a radeon 560 this is very important cause I also do boot to windows and I can play with that radeon 560 is pretty much a ps4 portable... not all the macbook comes with radeon so try to get a radeon gpu 560 these are very good and can hold value when reselling
You only took a bath if you actually sell your Macs, and I wonder how many people do. My apartment is like an Apple museum with all the old Mac computers I have laying around, because I usually use one until the software I need begins to crawl before buying another computer.
At 700 USD you can get an m1 MacBook Air refurbished from Amazon renewed. It's not worth the deal bro 😢😢😢
Yep! Apple tax! A girl was asking me to by her a Mac when the keyboard was an issue. I told her no, that it was best to wait until the silicon switch. We’re no longer together and didn’t take the financial hit. No interested in getting an intel Mac.
I brought a 2015 15 inch MacBook Pro last year for $800 with an included 27 inch Thunderbolt Display. Was this a good deal?
But I like my 16" 2019 MBP. I use it everyday. Why would I need to upgrade, it still works extremely well. Are you telling me I shouldn't still like it? I will probably still keep using it for many years too. Should I not?
The only reason I would want to get the 2019 MacBook pro 16 inch is because of the design and reliable keyboard. I like the only usb c minimalistic MacBook design more than the new design. But with the price of it being over $1000 make it not worth it
I bought my 2019 MacBook Pro 16 in March of 2020. And have never regretted it. It’s perfect for what I have needed and still works great. Only thing I want from the new ones is better battery life. I am planning on upgrading to the new 16 in 2024 sometime.
Lol me too. There’s a whole community of buyers that don’t need the latest and greatest.
@@Anvillgroupplus you can use bootcamp to run windows
There are folk who drive the old Volkswagen Beetles and still love them. It gets them from A to B.
you are a reasonable person, I applaud you
Why ist this in my recommended. After watching the Video all i can say is, the "These" should be stricken from the Title.
I bought yesterday Macbook M1 MAX 1tb 16inch for 2699e on sale. Best buy ever
Depends on your use case, but I like the option of an eGPU - and that right now means an intel based MBP.
So basically, I have the same 16" i9 9980HK, 32GB DDR4 and 4GB 5300M and I like to work on it majorly because of Bootcamp. Game a little bit and enjoying the dual boot. But on the other hand, my wife has an M1 Air with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD, she is happy with that as her major tasks are watching movies and browsing web.
At the end of the day, we both are happy with our machines as it solves our "purpose" (and basically since these both are our secondary machines, office Windows laptops being the first). At times, you do have to understand that what you have meets the need, it really doesn't matter. :)
I’m a software developer and bought the 2016 MBP fully loaded when it came out. I’m typing this comment on it right now. I have a love / hate relationship with it. I bought it because it was touted that the cooling issues where resolved with this MBP. That is just not true. The think throttles and the fans blast UNLESS you are in a room that is 65 - 70 degrees. That being said, I also literally run 4 old thunderbolt displays off of it and a ton of peripherals (audio interface, 2 stream decks mouse, keyboards, hard drives) and it pushes all of that as long as I’m in a cool room.
I got my money’s worth out of this machine with the amount I made on it. But I still regret getting it. I wish I just waited one year later. That being said, I’m going to get a fully loaded M2 Mac Studio to replace it and not look back. I’ll use this as my “in the bed” or “on the couch” or “in the kitchen” machine. It will no longer be my daily driver, and just a casual mobile machine for light work.
I never noticed before, but the first seven letters of your name spell LUKEMIA.
Happened when we went from the G4 and G5 to intel chips. Long time users have seen this over and over. Those 2019 i9's will have a much shorter system support life.
Never, ever, buy an Apple product before a big event like the WWDC. Never.
I have a maxed out 2020 Intel MacBook Pro. I'm pretty sure that is a lot worse...
Apple took just 4 years to completely abandon powerpc. Leopard security updates ended in 2009.
For me it’s all about the software, and audio software seems to take longer to port than others and sometimes not at all. I’m still booting an intel machine in mavericks as the software won’t run on anything newer! I have newer machines for web etc but they don’t need to be super fast just responsive.
Saw at Staples a couple of months ago the 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro was on clearance but was $2000
Last month I bought a 2019 16” MacBook Pro 2.4 i9 for £600. Very happy as it’s in pretty new condition & only use it for graphic design/ photoshop & illustrator.
Still probably should have saved up for M1/M2 but for the price I paid I’m happy.
That’s exactly what happened to me. I bought a 2019 intel mbp. Then m1 happened. I was like: “Let me trade this in while there’s still some value.”
My colleagues at the office still use 2019 16”, I am on a 16” M1 base model, they don’t seem to complain. I think they are still usable, I would get one under 1000 if I needed one
Luke lives in a different world where people upgrade every year. Occasionally he'll acknowledge this but then it's right back to calling machine that he fawned over a couple of years ago, obsolete even though it still performs fine for the people that use it.
@@mavfan1 I get it his job is to be opinionated, and excited about the new thing. It is also true that the value left on those Intel models is very bad. I guess if you own one and still works, you’ll keep it until it dies. That what most of us do anyway. I agree
The nice thing about these last gen of Intel Macs is that they are the last and best machines for dual booting Windows, as well as Intel Emulation.
Also, while they’re nowhere near as fast for data intensive work, like video editing, they’re still highly usable for everything day-to-day, and will be for the next 5 years, at least.
Unless you’re trying to get certain workloads done as fast as possible, or have maximum possible laptop battery life, there’s really no need to upgrade these until they no longer get security updates from Apple.
I agree the dual boot is pretty cool and it could see more life left as a windows machine. When I owned the 2019 model I got windows 11 to run on it. Although the Mac OS support is quite scary being that this machine likley has 2 years left and that’s it because of apples pace of dropping intel macs
@@thatretailguru Yeah, I think there's 2 kinds of people that will use these going forward: those who want a large screen and don't know or care about OS support (like my parents), and those who will tinker and get newer OSes running years after they're no longer supported. In the case of macOS, there will be a hard cut-like when Apple Drops Intel support, but at the rate they've been moving with hardware lately, I think we have 2-3 more years of Intel support, then 2 years after for security updates. So, 4-5 years of OS support. Then about 5 more years after that of 3rd party browser support.
Yeah I spent way too much on my USED near top of the line 16" Intel last year that I had repaired (about $5k total). It works well overall, though I have a few glitches. I needed the Intel virtualization for my side consulting business. I should've just bought an Intel Mac mini and remoted into it when I needed it, and replaced the laptop with an Apple Silicon model instead. Oh well. Can't replace it again right now.
I got my 16 inch back when I worked at apple for a pretty good discount and it still performs well, the fans are loud under workload and the battery is pretty trash when editing, but still love this thing. This to me is the perfect MacBook, the compromises of the M1 chip software restrictions and the terrible QC on the prior MacBooks places this as the one that come out of the battle victorious.
Ya wanna buy my 16in then?😅😂😂😂
@@jimjimhuerta why would I buy yours if I have a more than capable one brev
I also like my 16 inch 2019 MBP. It is considerable quiter than my last Macbook, a Macbook Pro 15" mid 2015 Core I7, ever was . I miss Magsafe and some other than USB C built in ports. Do not plan on selling my MBP so second hand price does not matter.
Mine was super bad and I had to use the dGPU all the time otherwise it would crash and lag like crazy when typing lol, I’m glad I sold that piece of junk and got the 14” M1 Pro
How much is Apple employee discount?
I as a visually impaired user bought the 16 inch in June of 2020 to use for high school. The battery life isn’t great and it does get hot, but it’s still a great machine and handles most everything I throw at it. Do I regret my purchase? No. At the time that I needed it, it was available. Though expensive, it 9:39 did not disappoint and still continues to deliver a great experience.
I am looking forward to upgrading to Apple Silicon in the coming year(s).
2020 was the first year I became truly "tech literate" and I bought a 2019 13" MBP with the base i5 and the base storage. I saw Apple Silicon and got a 13" MBP as a test fully intending to return it because "It's just a year, how much improvement could they possibly make?" I ended up just keeping it. 3 years later, here I sit after getting heavy into photography and multimedia with my 14" M2 Max with 64GB of RAM and 2TB of storage. I think I'd cry if I ever had to use an Intel machine again, especially for what I do now.
Yes there are situations where a 16inch Macbook Pro makes sense. In our company we have to use Windows for developing our software and also industrial PLC software. We used Macbooks with Parallels running virtual Windows. That was better than running native on a PC and the virtualization gave many advantages. Even today with a 2022 PC running Windows in VMWare the 16inch Macbook is better and much much more stable. Unfortunately you can’r run a x86 Windows in Parallels on a M Macbook, the software like VPN clients we need for supporting our customers doesn’t run on an Arm based Windows. That’s why we unfortunately have to switch to PC and VMWare.
The price you mentioned at 4:27 is the same price Apple is willing to give you at trade in for a late 2021 MacBook Pro with maxed out specs ($6500 at initial purchase I believe). 2019 was 3 years ago. If you've used the machine as a business tool and made your money with it or gotten your use out of it, I think that $1500 isn't the worst for the 2019 MacBook Pro, especially a machine on the old hardware with Intel. Computers have depreciated worse than cars for a while now so I try to keep things in the perspective of, what is the machine for? If it has served it's purpose for me, a quarter of what I've paid for it initially probably makes sense 3 or 4 years later. It certainly doesn't feel good, but I get it. That being said, I also understand the frustration of someone buying a machine that becomes completely outclassed with a level up machine just a short while later. The release of the M1 Pro laptop had me scrambling fast to figure out a game plan to upgrade after getting the 2019 Intel edition.
The one advantage this MBP still has over Apple Silicon is compatibility. With an Intel processor, there’s a significantly larger library of compatible software for it, since developers have been compiling Intel Mac software since 2006, and while the compatibility layer for running Intel apps on Apple Silicon is decent, it’s still not perfect.
And I hate to use the dreaded “W”’word, but these can technically boot Windows (and also Wine API) which again, dramatically expands the software library that the machine can use. So if you’re a user looking for the latest-and-greatest, these are pretty awful, but if you’re a user who wants to run older apps that might be finicky on Apple Silicon, these are a steal.
People have a lot less money to spend on luxury items.
Why would I still buy one, because my daughter is going to study architecture in the fall and architecture software runs on Windows and Silicon Macs don’t run Bootcamp.
Silicone macs have a fair share of methods to run windows(windows on arm natively I think and parallels for x86 emulation)
Those MacBook today should cost around $600
Last November I bought a refurbished MacBook Pro Retina 15.4-inch (2019) - Core i9 - 32GB - SSD 1024GB for a total of $1,062.40. It's a great machine for what I do with music production. In a couple of years will get a 3nm silicone Macbook Pro .
This is why I'm glad I sold my 2016 MacBook Pro 15 when I did, got $800 for it last October. Those are worth pennies now.
I had a 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro up until 2 weeks ago and liked it for the most part being that it had a great display and was thin. But the machine was very loud and hot under load. The location of the vents meant that my legs would block the vents at the back, which meant I had to use it on a desk.
I recently upgraded to a 2023 MacBook Pro 16 inch with 512GB ssd and 16 GB of ram!! It’s a huge improvement. All day battery life, super fast, fans never go on full blast, and having the ports back is amazing! It is a little thicker than the old one but for the better cooling it’s well worth it
I actually remember them introducing Instant On with the first SSD only Intel Macbook Air iirc. And then they introduced it again (and much faster) with Apple Silicon lol.
im so glad the apple employee talked me down from getting one of these in 2020. went with a 13 inch instead for basic stuff
I had the fully-loaded 560x MacBook Pro that I picked up when the 16” came out for half its original price. Never got on with the Butterfly keyboard so it mostly ended up docked with an eGPU and external keyboard & trackpad. In many ways the 2015 MBP is superior even with its slow graphics and Haswell-era CPU.
I switched to an M1 Air in 2021 and the baseline performance is phenomenal given the lower power consumption but I missed my eGPU and Bootcamp and running x86 VMs so I now have an i9 16” with the 8GB 5500M and 64GB of RAM. I picked that up on eBay last year for a fraction of its list price and it’s been my daily driver ever since. That 1” extra screen space is amazing.
At some point I’d like to upgrade to a fully loaded 5600M but it’s rare to see any model in the UK with that and the import duty from the US isn’t currently worth it.
I’m also thinking of selling the M1 Air as I’ve a couple of homebuild 2017 Macbook 12” machines that take up that bit less space in my bag. Their Butterfly keyboards are quite pleasant to type on (maybe the only real use case for them was in such a slim machine) and recent macOS updates allow the screen to be run at higher than 900p resolution. Mostly I use them for coding on the go and Keynote, both of which they handle admirably.
The days of the Intel Macs are clearly numbered in terms of macOS support but they’re still great bits of kit and unlike Apple Silicon there are plenty of alternative operating systems for them. The MacBook 12 running Windows or Linux is far more elegant than any of the PC alternatives and the prices on eBay are ludicrously low for their build quality, performance, and the general ease with which parts can be swapped out.
Now if only Apple would launch a modern Macbook 12 with a single USB4 port and a down-clocked M1 or M2 processor.
I got my M1 Pro 14” a month ago refurbished for $1300 and it’s amazing. I’m glad it was such a low price or it would’ve been a no-go after I broke the screen on my 2017 15”. I almost bought a 16” for $700 and until I got this M1 I was unaware of the buck converter issue that kills so many 16” MBPs and leaves the data unrecoverable with no warning. Dodged a bullet
This was a very enjoyable video Luke. As to your question, yes I would buy a 2019, Intel MacBook, a 2017, 27-inch "space gray" iMac Pro, and even a 2019, Tower Mac Pro. Why? For the same reason that, I buy all of my Apple computer systems... is have fun. The Intel systems will run all the older software, support "boot camp", and even run the Linux operating system, etc. (smile...smile).
Got 16“ in end of 2019. Performance was very solid, did lot of work using this machine, productivity increased, so it was worth it. Only complaint was freaking noise and overheating.
intel macs are great for gamming apple silicone is not so apple silcone loses money faster just on that one item alone
I bought one of the 16 inch Intel MBPs on purpose because it was the end of an era. In 20 years I am going to have the highest spec last Intel MBP and it is gonna be so cool lol.
I bought a 2019 16 inch (used) base model back in January for $700. It has AppleCare through August 2024 (this definitely influenced pulling the trigger on this purchase). I have to say that I do not regret my decision AT ALL. I also have an M1 Air (16gb version, bought at launch). I do love the M1 Air for certain tasks and situations, but I find myself using the Intel 16” much more. Being able to run Windows via Bootcamp is just a special thing. It’s like having two computers in one. It’s plenty powerful for my needs and has a big beautiful screen and awesome speakers. To be honest Touch ID and Apple Watch unlock work faster (and more reliably) on my Intel Mac. I know it will never be worth a whole lot resale wise, but I already bought it secondhand for dirt cheap. I will use it for a couple more years at the very least. Great computer.
My first MacBook was the M1 air. In retrospect I’m not sure how anyone can use an intel machine now other than the price of a new machine.
You use it like any other laptop? It just works it’s a mac?
Watching the video on a 2015 MacBook Pro 15.4 inch.
I just scored a 2016 15in touchbar for 150 because the battery is saying it needs replaced so I'm buying a battery with the tools from ifixit next month
Edit - the battery is lasting about 3 hours
the 16" Intel MBP is still my favourite in terms of form factor vs screen quality, and at least it has a good keyboard. The M2 MacBook Air 15" is the perfect replacement for an Intel 15/16"
I just bought a 2015 2.5 i7 quad core MacBook Pro with dual GPU and it is in absolutely flawless condition as good as the day it was removed from the original apple packaging. I bought it on back market and only paid $395, I feel blessed because it's fast, it's beautiful, the screen is great and it could probably last me for 10 years considering I only use it for web browsing and minor Photoshop task.
I have the last intel 16 and I love it! I regularly boot into windows and I’ve recently downgraded it back to catalina so it’s almost as fast as apple silicon - Bug Sur really ruined the intel macs performance. Work gave me a 14 inch M2, which I use daily and i’m not impressed. Yeah the battery life and thermals are amazing but it kinda sucks at doing my job and it especially sucks at running docker containers - qemu is painfully slow.
Different economics mean different decisions. I see no value and paying top dollar for an Intel Mac, but they do still have uses. I’m kind of shocked to see the M1 used prices tank like this… A 16 inch M1 Max is very appealing.
Bruh M2 MacBooks look like overpriced horrible deals in front of these
I fired up my 2015 Mac Pro 15 inch , funny how the fan runs basically all the time when doing anything intense. Dont miss it at all except the 15 inch screen which I ordered the M2 Air 15 cant wait.
I almost bought one a month ago for $1,549 from Woot! to migrate from my Late 2014 27" iMac with 32GB RAM and 1TB storage. Then I found on Adorama a 16" M2 Pro 32GB 512GB SSD for $1,949. I'm a little pissed that I can't use the iMac as a second monitor on the Macbook Pro. And while I love Apple, I can't justify spending that kind of money for a monitor - and I stare at them all day when I'm not out shooting. Their Studio Display is essentially, my iMac and $1,500 for its screen/speakers/camera/stand is crazy. The Pro Display XLR with Nano-Textured glass is $6K and it comes with no stand. Adding the Pro Stand brings us to $6,998. And my IRA appreciates everyone who buys one more than you know.
I carry a Dell G15 5510 (IIRC) that is FINE and games as well (4GB 3050Ti). All day long brand new for under $1000. Yes, battery life. But the screen, keyboard, trackpad, speed, etc. are all good IMHO. The 16" is still under $1000 with 16gb/512Gb. And oh by the way, you can upgrade them....whaaaa? IIRC mine has a second spot for a second NVME. I have a Trashcan Mac I'm using now for home but on the road, iPad plus Dell. Pass on Apple laptops.
I'm still using my 2016 16" and will probably use it until it dies. As tempted as I am to upgrade, for my graphic design work, I have no real performance complaints. I could do without the jet engine fans coming on all the time, but other than that, it's still performing well.
I wonder for how much longer Apple will even support these last gen Intel Macs before cleaning slate and only supporting Apple Silicon?
Probably 3 more years so they can say they supported them for 7 years. I’d expect them to stop offering Rosetta2 at that time also.
I wouldn’t trade my 2019 16” for apple silicon yet. I love the form factor, the huge display, the thin design, the audio softwares preform better on Intel, I love the touchbar, the optional Bootcamp is great too. I bought mine a year ago for about 900 usd, and it was a great deal!
Ignorance is blisssssss
@@ancientzalien no native windows? X86 MASTER RACE.
@@Toasty_Gaming What's the point? You are just looking for things to cling on.
I took a massive L on my 2019 16 inch MBP (2.3GHz i9, 32GB, 1TB SSD, 5600M 8GB), bought for almost $6,000 NZD with education discount, sold for $2,200 NZD. But glad I sold it before the 15 inch Air came out cause I'd have lost even more money!
Went from 16in 2019 MBP 16/512 to a M1 Max Mac Studio 64/1tb and it’s like day and night
The 16in is just an ok computer that doesn’t handle well under stress and dies way too fast off charger doing simple tasks. No editing 4k without proxies, absolute hell with after effects
The Mac Studio solved all my problems and then some
Yes it sucks but I run my Macs into the ground. I was upgrading from a 2012 15" Retina at the time so it was a big upgrade for me. I still use a 2016 27" iMac to this day. Just because something is newer and better doesn't mean the old thing stops working. And thankfully my use case is flexible enough that when Apple stops supporting I can hop over to Linux if I need to.
Intel macs are where PowerPC macs were when they switched to intel. I am looking at a few M1 Mac mini’s with 16gb ram and 5132gb SSDs some are pretty good price vs their last 2018 Mac mini’s with i7 chips. The m2 looks nice but my budget is tight.
I bought a 16 inch i9 5600M and when I saw the DTK Mac Mini transition kit I sold it. Went back to my 2018 iMac until the M1 Mac Mini came out and then the later I picked up a M1 MAX Macbook. I was lucky but I was here the last time with a G5 during the Intel transition and I lost a ton of money and could not sell the G5. Lesson learned!
Got a Used Macbook Pro 2019 13-inch in okay condition for $344. Sent it in to get the keyboard replaced and basically got a new computer. They replaced the shell, the keyboard, and the battery. Apple is the best!
You have to consider that most people don’t buy a new MacBook for full price. I bought a 14 inch M3 pro 512GB for $1600+tax. In 3 years I’ll get most my money back
I bought my early 2019 15" with RAM upgrade for a good price in feb 2021 and don't regret it. It was in like-new condition and I paid half the price of the base model 14" M1, haven't had any issues with the keyboard or performance since I don't use it for heavy tasks, and very happy with how thin and light it is. I mostly wanted the bigger screen. A 15" air would be perfect for me, but still hundreds more than what I paid for this machine more than a year ago, so I think it'll be sticking around a few more years at least.
One thing I might disagree on is that the 16 inch from 2019 became a dinosaur 6 months later. Realistically it had no true successor for 2 whole years until the M1 Pro/Max 16 inch came out. After using one for that entire 2 years, the only real negative I had is the fans span up a bit too quickly and a bit too loud but other than that a solid machine in so many ways.
Apple absolutely kicked their customers down a flight of stairs with that trade in offer cause a 2020 MacBook Air M1 base model can be traded in for $510 LOL
The whole MacBook market is tanking. I bought a 2023 16" M2 Pro 1TB MacBook sealed for 2.5K compared to 3.6K from apple.
I’ve upgraded from a 2015 macbook pro 15 inch to m2 MacBook Pro 13 inch (originally wanted m1 pro/max 14 inch) and i gotta say it’s a HUGE upgrade for me granted the whole supply chain on microchips being postponed for many months on ssd/ram configuration. Overall, i really love apple silicon and for a backup/play-around experiment old mac i’d get 2015-17 macbook air or 2020 Intel macbook pro 13 inches for 100 and 500 below respectively.
What made you get the weird 13 inch, I didn't know anybody bought those
@@Chicken. supply chain issues when i wanted to get the 14 inch MacBook Pro