I like that Washington Post poll a few months back. It found most Americans are "very" concerned about climate change and thought it at least "likely" to be an existential threat, but that the majority would NOT accept a $24 fuel increase per year on their heating bill to combat it. lol
The climates been warming since the Ice ages. There was no industry then. Why is this not all is needed to use your brains? POLUTION is real. Climate change is a hoax. It's been doing what it's built to do. No one needs a scientist. Scientist is a state of mind. LOGIC. Volcanoes push out more carbon than said whatever's and have been known to make ice and mini ice ages...
Which pretty much lines up those polled with China, India & Russia. Everybody's concerned; few want to pay a price. Leadership must forge a reasonable & practical way forward. Don't make the fix worse than the problem!
Yeah, but now we know that the very wealthy few contribute vastly more to co2 emissions than the majority of poorer people do so ordinary ppl would be right to object to that disproportionately unfair tax increase. There should be a wealth tax on big corporations and fabulously wealthy individuals, but of course they dominate the narrative to shift it away from their own responsibility.
@@Skylark_Jones Disproportionate? Wealthy people already pay far more of their proportionate income as tax. The lowest tax rate is 10% and the highest 27% (not including State tax, where applicable). Does the guy driving a fancy car pollute the air that much more than the guy driving a pickup?
Check out Copenhagen consensus’ study on what people worried the most about. Climate was way down on the list so the WP “poll” is obviously fabricated to support a narrative.
@@allgoo1990 Or air. 😂 as the concentration of co2 and methane increases the volume of o2 decreases. Cutting down trees and poisoning the plankton is going to seriously fuck with o2 levels.
@@allgoo1990 Well stuff like buried vegies, roots, canned food, pets, people.. Could be an viable retirement plan as state pensions decline. As someone with hungarian roots i wanna be gulash. Grannpa Ed might be chewy after all that bad news hes reading
If capitalism means: just reap the financial benefits and forget about the cost, then capitalism is doomed. The question whether we will go down with it or not.
Everyone is going down its already to late and has been for some time we have well past the emissions needed to hit the 2c mark and beyond. People are way to optimistic the changes needed are literally almost the exact opposite of our societies, no one is giving up their, electronics, no one is giving up there aircon or their cars and yyou would be lucky to get over 40% of people to stop eating meat, people are filled with hope because we are "smart" and can "engineer" our way out of this, not this time bucko to much hinges on everything needing to go right to stop this, when humans have shown we will do the opposite
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
As a matter of fact, she points at the problem as a social science problem. This is something me and colleagues (all scientists and engineers) were intuitively thinking. We had for many years thoght we were missing people with humanities and social science backgrounds in our discussion forum.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Why "the end of *western* civilisation" not "the end of civilisation"? Epilogue: I asked this question at the beginning of the lecture: she answered it at the end: the powerfully centralised govt of China meant they took decisive action (no expense spared) to protect the majority of their population whilst the neoliberalist western nations left it up to individuals to "take responsibility for their own safety". The differing responses to the Covid pandemic by China and the other Oriental-Asian countries compared to the approach of the UK, US, Europe and Brazil highlights this very well. However, what form does a "stabilised" climate change in 24th century look like after the collapse in the 21st century? She doesn't say what that looks like, she just assumes there's a "civilisation" after the collapse. After all, no country at the moment seems to be taking drastic steps including China to combat or even prepare some kind of adaptation to an era after the climate/nature collapse.
Regardless of what the speaker said no country will escape this no matter how they set their society up, China is bringing a coal plant online every week at the moment almost every developed country has played a part. If anything Chinas high populations and aging at that will make it harder to control when things go south
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
When heat and drought make it impossible to grow grains at scale, human civilization will collapse, billions will die, and rising wet bulb temps will finish off any survivors. We waited too long to tackle climate change, and our extinction will come much sooner than most people think. I'd be very surprised if there's a single human left by 2060.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Climate change signals the end of democracy in its present from. The structure of government will have to change for there to be any valid solution/strategy implemented to combat the results that may occur as a result of climate change. There will have to be a drastic change in the notion of 'capitalism', something that over-rides/ignores anything to do with rationality - capitalism is only interested in making more money, nothing else, and democracy aids this cancerous/exploitative way of existing... Thus democracy and capitalism will need to be replaced by an authoritarian type of regime that imposes changes that everyone will be forced to accept for the benefit of all rather than pandering to the individual wants of the few who at the moment control the wealth and power, and who are, understandably, reluctant to relinquish it. Perhaps a highly morally platonian, socialist-scientific ruling elite could be the answer... however, acknowledging that human beings, being essentially animals who react according to these primeval precepts, always have an innate compunction to subvert any form of social control... Sooo... extinction is the inevitable outcome...
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
That Radioactive Reactors can not produce energy in a changing climte is the minor Problem, they all get very unsecure is the main Problem. This is very old knowledge, a lot of people already spoke about it in the 80ties.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
You are right. I'm afraid to eat fish ever since Fukushima melt down... though I still do. Also helpful would be law for only 2 kids per family to help reduce population.
Insect biomass is falling rapidly, when pollinating insects reach a critical level most of our food crops will begin to fail. The future is starvation.
"Always someone else's civilization getting wrecked". And the another quote comes to mind, "You cannot get yourself out of a problem by facing it with the same attitude that got you into it in the first place" The translations of this book the idea of "Permaculture" "Renewable resources" All get watered down to "We can go on with the party! We don't have to have any self control! we don't have to respect anything be our own selfish desires! Technology and techniques will continue to give us abundance!!!"
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
@@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186 It's actually worst. Net profit = income - expenses - loss due to external factors. (ie. regulations, lack of resource access) Companies base their projections on possible income if everything goes as planned and then report a loss if it doesn't.
@@ecocentrichomestead6783 Like when the electric company let their equipment get so warn out that it caused a major forest fire in California, the government bailouts, to pay for equipment repairs, made their waning stock sore back up. People in the 'know' made fortunes in the stock market, while many people lost their homes.
This woman is a brilliant thinker and a clear speaker who knows her stuff. Amazing. I'd purchased Merchants of Doubt a bit ago but hadn't read it yet. I definitely will be now.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
If there are many capitalisms, can't there also be many socialisms, and many other potential alternatives to capitalism as well? It really bothers me how she seems to have this idea that giving up capitalism is awful because we have seen Soviet communism, as if that is the only option. What we need isn't just a regulated capitalism. Lots of European countries have capitalism that is a lot more regulated than the US, but we're still barely doing anything about climate change. Because capitalism relies on growth, that we keep producing and selling even more stuff. Regulated capitalism is obviously not enough. It will have to be regulated to the point of not being capitalism anymore. So it's better to come up with a system that works well by itself, where we don't have to regulate the very thing it relies on. What is that system? I don't know. But if we're dead-set on the idea that anything but capitalism is evil, great minds will not even consider other options. With a more open minded perspective, we can surely come up with something better.
I agree. Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. A new Definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Excellent presentation. There are almost 8 billion people now. That has never happened before. Each one of us rich or poor has a carbon footprint which is beyond the the earth's capacity to sustain or absorb. There are simply too many of us for the earth to support and our civilization will crash. Its not an if but when.
Yes agree. The crazy part is that all governments in the world are advocating for GDP growth which almost automatically implies further population growth. Not only will our civilization crash but we are precipitating the decline. It is depressing. I feel for the natural world and the future generations of humans, including my two children. I had no idea of the issue then.
The big taboo that no one wants to talk about. If there were only a billion humans on the planet. Every last one could drive a car that gets 9 mpg,live in a 3000 square foot home that burns coal for heat and eat meat every meal. Earth wouldn't notice any of it.
The CO 2 numbers are fact. The CO 2 latency period of decades is fact. The Methane numbers are fact. The feedback loops are fact. The melting ice is fact. The ocean and land temp increases are fact. Exponential as a mathematical concept is fully understandable. Global dimming is a fact. The baseline is 1750, not 1850 and we are easily past 1.5 C and already very near 2.0; actually 4.0 in the Arctic where it really matters. There are known temperature numbers for decline and failure of agriculture which we are now flirting with. The world population continues to grow as does the use of fossil fuels. The 6th mass extinction is factually underway. Literally nothing of a meaningful nature was done 40 years ago when it mattered and nothing is being done or will be done even now when it is too late. Human beings will vanish from this planet in very short order, probably years.....
You are spot-on SH. But, as the animal-urge dictates, I am gathering my nearest and dearest and heading to islands of high southern latitudes. Good luck
Yep! I teach rainwater harvesting, and biointensive gardening, for free, here in Mexico but, its probably too late to adapt.. Ref. my website www.ciclicoahuila.com old geologist
It iş a pity for humanity that this video has been seen by so lower number of people while a make-up video is seen by millions😥 just like the movie “don’t look up”
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. A new Definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
If you wrote that book from the perspective of looking back at "history" from around 2080, rather than somewhere in the 2300's, it'd be a little more realistic. We're not going to be here after 2100. That's all but guaranteed. We're probably not going to be here after 2060.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
The climate scientists have been saying that Climate Disruption is caused by human overconsumption. If you haven't heard them say it, you haven't been paying attention. Instead of reading lies with a snooty attitude, why haven't you developed a branch of science that could better coordinate the different branches and areas of sciences involved in Climate Disruption? That way there will be better communication between the branches. But I guess it's easier to run your mouth than your other muscles. What's your next complaint, that the age of enlightenment, didn't turn out to be too enlightening? How we could have done better? Or how maybe it wasn't such a good idea to wipe out so many of the other species, like savage barbarians? Or how we still treat each other like savage barbarians? You can take your attitude and put it to use where it belongs. Fighting against the wealth extractors who are causing the problem. Who do you think conned the people into over consuming? The people have been consuming decades worth of propaganda. Reality TV trains people to pick a contestant and bond with that contestant, so if their choice wins, it's like they win. When elections come around, the people are now trained to pick a contestant/candidate they think has the best chance of winning and bond with that contestant/candidate. The next trick is to get the people to want to bond with a particular candidate, so the media pushes the candidate or candidates the ruling elite want promoted. The choice has become based on shallow, superficial identity characteristics, because that is what happens in the Reality TV shows they have been trained on. Why don't you fight against that?
This feels a bit like discussing how many deckchairs were on the Titanic- it now makes no difference because we’ve hit the iceberg - literally and it’s melting fast.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
All civilisations come to an end. We are privileged to be able to witness one in "real time". This one is spectacularly entertaining, kick back and relax, it's inevitable, Just saying
Maybe, but the idea that my niece and nephew's children may have no future and be born into a dying civilization makes me feel insane. And the last year's horrors feel like the start of a terrifying new reality. I am not entertained.
Valar, not entertaining at all. But we fought (some of us) and we post. I am accepting it. No more recycling or going out of my way, when people who do have children never cared.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. A new Definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
USAF/SMC research scientist here. This presentation is a really *excellent* fusion of history and physical facts, as well as integration of the most important points of some key books. Thanks. I wish I could have gotten my scientific colleagues and managers to have listened to this; however, everyone is only interested in their own careers (that is, increasing their own carbon footprints a la Anderson et al.'s observations on Chancel/Piketty and Oxfam [2015]). I think the unspoken assumption which has evolved within the existing and newer intelligentsia (including at the Universities) is that if they work hard enough in the next 10 years, and increase their carbon footprints enough, then they can *buy* their way into the group who survive.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
France is having another heatwave now 105F temps. Update: Alaska temperature as high as 95F for July 9th. Methane levels at highest level recorded in March 2019 at 1866.4 CH4 PPB.
So whats new. The earth has went through many climate & geological events throughout its history. Many cycles of climate changes that have been worse than current events. All this climate hysteria is propagated by shyster scientists , researchers, media & politicians for their own selfish interests and have nothing to do with real observational data of world wide climate. There is no existential threat to life on earth caused by climate change as ALL life either adapts, dies out or evolves to cope with the environmental conditions. Birds & other animal life migrate to locations where food & water is obtainable year around according to the climatic conditions that change seasonally. Humans do the same as well as inventing technology that allows them to live better in places that have seasonal weather changes.
@@earldecker7760 Oh no, they won't like you saying that the earth is actually in control and not us humans running the show as we naively seem to believe. I find it incredible that people really believe that by paying more taxes will change the climate. But before I get flamed by others as a climate change denier, I should point out that in my view the terminology of what we are doing to the planet needs to change. What we are doing is POLLUTING the planet in numerous catastrophic ways, the largest of which is the burgeoning human population, which at some point in the not too distant future will reach saturation point where the planet resources can no longer support the shear numbers of humans dependant upon it. Add into the mix our obsession with the economics and globalisation of world trade (such as fossil fuels like coal) and perhaps you may give me some leeway in my scepticsim of why we cant win this battle. Something will have to bring back the balance........and that ladies and gentlemen will be climate change. History has proven that these events have happened before and most likely will again.
We are now 1.73 c. We will hit 2c this summer according to well renowned Scientists. When ICE has melted completely, we have 6 maybe stretch it to 10 weeks. I wish ALL "experts" would just tell the plain truth to the public! Do the research for yourself people. Then live accordingly for the time you have left. Everything you see is brighter, more colorful, you hear all of nature that's left not city notice, everything tastes sweeter and more savory, you can smell nature and it's more potent. Being in love more deeply. Life is in, the every moment and I cherish "TIME" so much more, it's beautiful. My husband and I are one now. God is here.God bless everyone.
Just weeks? I'm skeptical because the shelves in the Arctic Ocean have been free of ice in summer lows for a while. The deep ocean is where the ice has persisted. Yes, the warming had sped up and probably will continue to speed up but I don't see the arctic ocean being ice free for a few weeks in a year coming soon to be a sudden turning point. It's probable that 2022 might be the year but 2023 might not be completely ice free because the situation is non linear. Will something substantial that will change the situation be done in the next 5 to 10 years? I doubt it. With continued growth in the world economies all bets are off. Only substantial degrowth could make a difference.
@@RichRich1955 he's an idiot plain and simple. I agree with you data points to a partial blue ocean event by 2024 latest. That will be for a few weeks and will be longer each subsequent year until the ice doesnt come back.
your well renowned scientists have assfaces, in fact they already say things like "If we continue like this with the "Pause" we might have to start to worry" (worry that they are wrong and the house of cards tumbles) xD
Yes. It is rather like accepting your own death if you have a terminal illness. Everything you have left is more beautiful. I came to most of these conclusions quite a while back. People really cannot handle this reality. I don’t discuss it with my children. At least two could not handle it. But all of life is sweeter. Everything is more beautiful when you know you do not have as much left. Love and kindness become everything.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
I haven't read Kleins book. But I have to agree with Naomi Oreskes that it is simpler to change a little in the current system than everything (i.e. going from the current capitilist system to socialist system). A solution would have to encompass a body of scientists that honestly calculate a fee and all goods and services produced that pays properly for the cost of the destruction of nature that corresponds to those goods and services. Then the fees should be paid out evenly to the public. Taxes should be collected to fund projects that repair and preserve nature. These are tweeks that can push the system to solve our problems. These tend to work better provided humans intervene EARLY! Not something that I see happening. I think something along the lines of a dystopian future, where humans suffer, and, the forces of capitalism and democracy become associated with the destruction of nature (even though it didn't have to be the case) is going to be a dominant feature of humanity's future. Thank you for your comments.
As to the ability of liberal democracies to respond to climate change look at how liberal democracies responded to other crises, for example WWII. In the USA, the FDR administration was quite able to mobilize both private and public resources to respond to world war. The argument or suggestion that some sort of dictatorship is necessary or desirable is at least arguable if not doubtful.
then in WWII, there was a clearly defined enemy, now we have a problem without enemy, therefor it is much more difficult to unite large groups, especially where it is the behaviour of the large groups themselves that has to be changed
@@ottohuizinga2394 Another consideration is that the US under FDR is unrecognisable from the government/politics we see today. I'm absolutely convinced if WW2 was kicking off today, the US govt couldnt get enough consensus to participate in it. Political decisions are now made primarily on the basis of the culture war and future electability.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
& John Berbatis, just one more thing.... To get an idea of - why - the inevitable is as such, observe an American PBS documentary called - Humanity From Space. Through the use of satellite technology, they lay out the human industrialization evolutionary process, including the inevitable consequences. One of the best documentaries I've ever seen.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Some people mistakenly blame population growth as the driving force behind Climate Catastrophe. Furthermore, they blame the underdeveloped world for industrialising as the chief culprits. However, these assertions are not support by the facts. Taking China as an example, they produce less CO2 per head of population than say America. Plus they have extensively incorporated major green energy schemes in China's infrastructure. Just a America's infrastructure collapses due to underinvestment. In addition the annual hydrocarbon consumption in the US is double the that of China.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. A new definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Regulated capitalism or even circular capitalism is where the answers lie. I had to frown at the statement that "freedom" and "capitalism" were "conflated." I'd like to hear the argument where they have nothing to do with one another. Socialism requires an authoritarian state in order to operate properly. That's why all Marxist evolution roadmaps lead toward dictatorships or one-party governments. Capitalism absolutely has to be regulated. It will defeat itself without it. Monopolies are an example of that. It comes down to how much or how little regulation is needed at a given time for the optimal result, and that discussion should be constantly addressed under each administration, but when taken to extremes (over-regulation vs de-regulation) I am concerned of abuse. Neoliberalism worked until it was abused, for example.
With respect to stellar academic Prof Oreskes I was disappointed that her presentation mostly talked about the problems we are familiar with, when I was hoping & kinda expecting that at this crisis stage she would address the actions needed to be taken. Sadly the scientific arguments that have informed us for decades have also failed for decades to scare us enough into generating mitigating actions. This seems to have fallen to the likes of David Spratt & David Wallace-Wells, albeit relying upon plenty of sound science data published by so many including the Potsdam Institute, Michael Mann, Peter Wadhams etc etc. Ironically the actions of a schoolgirl Greta Thunberg have had far more success in grabbing the public's attention to consider how serious, & existential, are the challenges which face us & particularly the youngest generation. However, hopefully, it may indeed be the scientists who rescue us from our plight - if anyone really can delay the setting sun on the horizon.
In 1971, I created a democratic communal society with no personal cars. My coworker said he liked the idea of a democratic cooperative state, but he was not giving up his car. This is what the oil companies know. No one is giving up their cars. Therefore, climatic change is ignored.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
The study, published in the journal Science, created a huge dataset based on almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries and covering 40 food products that represent 90% of all that is eaten. It assessed the full impact of these foods, from farm to fork, on land use, climate change emissions, freshwater use and water pollution (eutrophication) and air pollution (acidification). “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions. The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% - an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined - and still feed the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
As long as there are too many humans to support, no efforts to improve our odds of survival will be successful. The late, great Prof. Albert Bartlett told us. He has vids on RUclips.
Anthropocene=3rd wave of industrial revolution, atomic age. 1st wave was the 1770s w steam machines, 2nd came after 1870 oil gas and electricity. I think that industrialization is the key in this problem not capitalism, as its first and second waves were implemented not only by liberal democracies but all sorts of other systems like absolute and constitutional monarchies, II German Reich, Austro-Hungarian empire, tsarist Russia, Meiji Japan, Ottoman empire, totalitarian states like Soviet union, fascist Italy, Nazi Germany they were also industrial and so was the 3rd wave adopted by all Ex Soviet bloc states, by shia theocratic Iran and sunnite Saudi Arabia. There is no state just a few leftover populations of hunting-gatherers or pure agriculture and nomadic pasture as a life form. The problem is not the ideology or religion or secularism, its the simple fact that nobody wants to voluntarily give up comforts privileges of modern healthcare, housing, industrialized food supply goods and services and return to pre-industrial living standards with 35 years of average life expectancy. Since we wont do it voluntarily, mother nature will toss us back to a short nasty and brutish life. Or even worse, extinction. The scientific consensus is that the stable Holocene conditions for agriculture will be gone by a few more Celsius temperature rise so the food wont be enough to sustain the population. Finally you also hit the nail on the head as to what system will come, Plato described the slide from democracy to tyranny as the last phase of state which is caused by the extreme situation of climate change, food shortages caused by extreme weathers civil war etc.
At about 46:00 conservatives' (republicans') turn against environmentalism in 1970s... This is a weird issue I still can't quite understand. I guess, historian Christopher Lasch had written about it in The Revolt of the Elites. Very enlightening talk by N. Oreskes, and good answers to questions.
Recall the Anthropocene was declared originally for sedimentation rates never approached by the geologic record as cores are the basis of much of geology, not weather, radioactive fallout and other criteria.
Communism is capitalism as well. Only it's state capitalism versus private or market capitalism. Capitalism is the problem, you seem to not really understand what capitalism is and how it is the problem.
Also, IMHO, the Holocene should be eliminated and added to the Pleistocene because a 10,000 year long epoch is too short to be seen in the geological record.
Steve Fitt; Deep ice cores at the Antarctic French Dome C and Russian Vostok stations cover a time perid of some 800.000 years ago to the Present. on a yearly basis. A few years may be missed through the lack of deposion or melting but, are corrected by volcanic ash deposits. old geologist
In 1970s, as still very much a child, I was reading small pamplets that had future warnings about the population explosion, pollution and famines. It had lots of forebodings as to the future of the planet’s ability to look after the growing human population. This got me started on thinking about trends leading to the future and I read books like Future Shock, The Third Wave and Megatrends, etc. This reading had me thinking, is this all being planned out and manipulated by faceless people behind the scenes; a Global Conspiracy of sorts. I read lots about various secret societies and groups all seeming to have plans for a future planet. Many of them morphed into today’s think-tanks and lobby groups. I thought this was a way I could try to forecast what the future may look like. Eventually, I came to the conclusion the future will not be like some Jetsons cartoon or 1970s Utopia vision. It is going to be far far worse than that for billions of people and very likely the poorest of them, which we are mostly sheltered from in our Western countries and lavish lifestyles. It seems as if these consequences were of no real concern for those in power, and even to many of us, that added to my thinking that some grand conspiracy was in place to change the world for select few, the so-called 1%ers, the neo-aristocracy. But despite all that, I came to realise that there is no conspiracy and that the world is not being manipulated, it is just been exploited by a few and we are all trying to be part of the select few in order to escape our lot in our lives. Witness the massive and growing migrations of refugees, etc. trying to get to a better life and bring their families with them as well. So we are all really part of the problem by our striving to better ourselves. It has been said that we need two and half earths if the whole population were to live like us Westerners. So back to the trends I was informed about in the 1970s and what has been happening since. The biggest trend is the population exponential growth and the consequences thereof. I read recently that if we added all the weight of all land mammals together, 96% of that would be us humans and our livestock and only 4% are wild mammals. So big is our impact on the natural world. This impact on the natural world, our exploitation of natural resources for industry and pleasures, has caused so many problems we are now in the 6th mass global extinction. But that is not all, our fish stocks are reducing, our arable soils are losing suitability for growing crops making us use even more pollutig fertilisers, our forests are making way for cash crops and more and more farming lands for our needs. We are also using fossil fuels at unprecedented levels to support our growing populations for power, for industry, for construction, for transportation, for chemical and plastic production, which contribute to our pollution. Strangely all that pollution too, in the air is acting like a shield from the sun delaying some of the current warming trends, some are even suggesting we send even more up as a sort of geo-engineering. But also concerning that pollution is killing our sea life, and its ability to absorb our waste. We even take in a teaspoon of micro plastics a week into our bodies affecting our health directly. So we have the skeptics, doubters and deniers, many of which are sponsored by the fossil fuel industries, which help to influence people who have their ‘confirmation biases’ confirmed that there are no problems. I too was influenced by these people a few years ago now. They have done their part to delay any meaningful actions for decades and concerned scientists first warned about these future problems in 1992 and more recently in 2017 with graphs showing how things have gotten worse in just a mere 25 years. We now have famines, heatwaves, floods, storms, droughts, city water shortages, forest fires, as now regular ‘Once in a hundred years’ events happening almost yearly around the world. I am not going to convince you in this one post, but I hope like me you may make your own investigations and discover what I have concluded after many years of research, that we are headed to an Uninhabitable Earth. So yeah, things have gotten so bad and the effects are now so noticeable to even most lay-people, but in actual fact it is really much much worse than what we see as many scientists have reported already. The feedback loops are only now just starting, and we have what are ‘known unknowns’ effects leading to ‘unknown unknowns’. So the future is concerning because it really is unknown and I worry for younger generations. “We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children”
I had to check to make sure I had not written this post. Absolutely correct on everything, unfortunately. The video was a travesty. There stands a merchant of doubt speaking in the video. That we have any sort of steak or chance in this at all.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
In the early Industrialisation some smart people already knew where this will lead to when growing and they saw it growing. One of then talked about it was also Karl Marx, who is untill today been dispised by capitalstic people, for his realistic Knowledge.
Marx is also rejected by intelligent people because he was an intellectual idiot and college dropout. The only intellectuals who like Marxist ideology are Communists who don't understand Capitalism, nor the science of Economics.
@@danweaver4304 That is totally wrong, Karl Marx had not much to do with Communists, he was democratic Socialist, working most of his life time for a democratic newspaper in Germany - when you do not understand the difference and not knowing much about Karl Marx shows who really never saw a school in his life time. That Karl Marx is rejected for political reasons and not by science does just say, that people are stupid in their greed. No Matter what - a lot of clever people saw by the early industrial Revolution and its groth where this will lead to, what we can see and we all have today and these people you can hate like you want they are right like it is more then proven over many years and these people are till today not only Karl Marx, they are coming from every kind of scientific field and from the political mostly of course not, because it is not really a scirentific field and education for not so smart people. Today it is mostly primary school education that every uner 8 year old does understand that Capitalism Transforms limited Resources intro pollution like CO2 with a lot of energy, which does lead to an inhabitable planet earth. It is today the very simple low education grade that you are able to understand, that by physics and the laws of nature mankind produces with too much energy ressources into pollution and by the laws of nature in chemistry this is mostly carbon in someway not only by using energy and burning fossil fuels also transfoming products and matrials like producing plastic or concrete or what so ever mostly the chemical reaction ends with carbon as a pollution. The anthropgenic Climate Change is nordays already kindergarden education when also not in that detail, you are not able to speak on the level of 4 year old kid when not can manage that simple knowledge, people already forsee in the early industrial revolution, like Karl Marx did too. And simple education is also that the anthropgenic climate change will be the 6th big mass extinction in earth history, like we had on every global climate change without an exception in earth history. Today just Caused by Capitalism, Productivity, Mass Consume, Growth, Energy and Ressources Usage and Globalism and global Transport and Trade and wealth.
@@橋本帆乃香-y6n : Lol. The stupid idiots out there. They tend to learn better if we don't call them that. But I know what you mean. One of the characters by your name (or is it a user name) appears to be Japanease. Are you from Japan?
Isn't planned obsolescence a factor in the Great Acceleration? On what grounds does the economics profession ignore the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods? They do not tell us that they do it. We run the world on defective algebra. How much CO2 is the result of planned obsolescence? 60 years after Sputnik and scientists haven't noticed that economists ignore the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods. Brilliant! Try fixing the economy with mandatory accounting in the schools. www.toxicdrums.com/economic-wargames-by-dal-timgar.html
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
@@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186 So if a software company makes the same profit as a steel mill it causes the same amount of climate change. This is the kind of reasoning that caused Karl Marx to deny that he was a Marxist.
Of course its the only way, by sience does mean beeing productive and using energy does mean CO2 Emissions, so you have to stop using energy and stop beeing productive. And this is not a point of view its a the Law of Nature about Energy.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Funny! Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. A new definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Why is there a reluctance to address the main obvious underlying reason for all problems being discussed: exponential growth of human biomass and per capita consumption of resources and disposal of waste. Controlling human fertility is the main issue rather than discussing various ingenious means of sustaining our consumptive way of “anthropocene” life? Thermonuclear war is not a reasonable way to control population growth, but we are heading that way.
Is this mythos still around..? Overpopulation isnt a problem if an equal global distribution on a sustainable frame is implanted. Currently 20% of the world Populationen is producing 80% of the pollution while trowing away tons of food and products produced to fail early every year. Many first world nations currently struggle with an over aging population. And are also to blame for many of the currently observable displacements aka refugees. Helping the developing countries rise there standards of living and education etc evidently reduces the number of children born. Teach about contraception instead about the popes ideas and get them clean water and basic medical threatment so they dont lose that many children to avoidable diseases. We breed new pandemics in our meat industry and exported our dirty industries in foraign nations. Pointing on those guys living a dollar a week, digging up your rare metalls and recycling your old electronics while goin.. "Hey - they produce to many kids and look they still use coal! I wont change my habbits until they are carbon neutral.." ...that kinda is an ass move. Avoiding responsibility still doenst change the fact you will be effected in different ways by the consequences. And also shouldnt the west have known that future water wars competing with people who were raised in civil war wont be a breeze? They keep losing wars against insurgents.. And those syrians learned how to weld a tank out of tractor parts. Thanks military advisers I would rather desubsidize fossils and create some jobs on the domestic level that help accelerate a transition to net zero. Stop destroying the enviroment and livelihood of people. While pretending having the right to use there resources like fishing and oel from west africa but ignore the impact your cheap Sandwich has on the people who helped you getting it. Armed guards on ships against resulting pirate activities is just a temporary fix that also gets payed by someone.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Still dont know where you are goin with this.. I think sociapaths are around since a long time as are greedy people, stupid people and a few who actually bring the species forward.. Steering towards a more sustainable global lifestyle to safe the climate, nature and the species is something most would profit from. I would rather spend the limited time we have left, trying to convince the non sociapaths. And working on problems that we actually have an influence off and that would benefit all on the longterm. Overpopulation is like fusion power just as a constanst negative threat looming in near future it seems. And thats still just an secondary symptom, like water shortages If we keep destroying and polluting our reefs, fishing grounds, fertile land, nature in etc. There wont be any clean and healthy land left those reduced populations can go anyway. Everyone who hope sterilizing people will solve the problem will probably just head to a soylant green future.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Yeah its my comment thats all over the place... Ill skip that "putting raw materials back under ground will fix nature" nonsense... But are you comparing a mass in kg of 'Hawk' to Humans population? That makes no sense at all. First we arent as specialized and are omnivores. Second we have a bigger and smarter brains and developed cool stuff like artificial fertilizers, domesticated more productiv grains and cattle and are now eating cheetos while we watch youtube in our air conditioned homes made out of plastics Third Afaik most 'hawk' species populations are theatened by extinction. While you are talking about human overpopulation.. There are alot of primitiv folks with less science knowhow who found a better ecological balance. The human species is part of nature and can either adapt or die out like many other species before And there are alternatives to current technologies that would work better - if we would acknowledge the benefits of those investments. Wasting money on a spaceship to leave the planet or dismantling civilisation isnt viable and sound more like the plan of a cultleader ripping of his sheeple or a jamesbond villain. And where the heck u wanna go with 1 billion lol ... they are gonna cannabalize themselves after a few months.. Its not like that earth will recover in time before anyone on that 'arch' is dust.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο You dont even use the terms for logical fallacies correct. An 'ad hominem' is an attack on the person. For example calling someone unqualified without any subsidizing of those claims. Or using insults. Like you did. And a 'non-sequitur' is "when the conclusion from an argument does not follow logically from its premises" Your are comparing 'hawks' which isnt even e species.. with humans. Hawks dont dig up coal and use it to power there refrigerator.. or use drag nets to destroy sea life...or put pestizides on the ground and into the water ... And the dismantling of civilisation and reduction to 1 billion wont be enough if about 2 billion is currently to blame for 80% of pollution.
Nietzsche’s Last man , man in the generic sense that is both man and woman. When they wake up and find their comforts are no longer guaranteed it will be to make an already intolerable situation even worse. When something could have been done it was the “the last man” who made sure that nothing would be done, when there is nothing that can be done, once we reach that collapsed state, rest assured that the “the last man” will rip into what remains of our humanity. Each of us has within ourselves that “last man” who is tired and who just wants to sleep and be bothered no more. If that is so then Humanity is on course to achieve just that.
i know pollution is a problem and we have been working on this so why you don't hear more about china and india being shamed for any of there dirty water and air there not working on there still overpopulating the world and not trying to do there fair share
I have never heard so many mays,could,might,it has been estimated,the models show,the past,the future,science tells us,should,could,may,follow the money,the funding,the subsidies,politics,as if a carbon tax can Change the climate,so bloody absurd,war with China is a bigger threat to the planet than any climate catastrophe!
43:00 GREEN RENEWABLE UTOPIA IS REGULATED CAPITALISM IN A FREE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, such as the USA. We Do Whatever We Want As Long As We Do Not Degrade Any Resource. Resource being anything Earthly.
@@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 Your Self loathing sorry first world problem generation will generate sad and concerned mono brow humans. 97% of scientists agree on that. Mono booshiebrowbushes
...yes...it's called...( h)Opium...As Guy McPherson suggests, it's time to grieve, to dance and let those you are close to know what they've meant to you.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. A new definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Hmmmm. Another non-scientist that claims to KNOW when the world will end. There are thousands of scientists that debunk EVERYTHING she spouts about but...
Haha yeah...it should be easy for you to provide some kind of proof for your claims. How about here the facts regarding the current situation like 1. an increase in average and record temperatures 2. prolonged fire and storm seasons 3.reef dying, fish species dying caused by loss of habbitats...
@@NewPipeFTW ALL of those subjects have been debunked. Years ago. In the 60s these types were screaming: "...the earth is cooling and we're going into another ice age!" Screeeeeeee! These same predictors warned that by 1985 the world population would be down to 30 million because we would drain the planet of all resources! 😂😂🤣🤣 They warned the same stuff would happen in the same predicted time as today. We are still here and will continue until God decides to end it. Relax. Enjoy. Quit worrying about something you can't control.
@@itlupe Oh really So you say... Here is Carl Sagan 1985 testifing something else infront of US Congress.. ruclips.net/video/Wp-WiNXH6hI/видео.html Edit: forgot to paste the link.
Just so all you scientists get a chance to learn more, this social aspect has already been published in the 14th chaPTER OF THE BOOK, "pERMACULTURE a DESIGNERS' mANUAL.
Another part that needs to be considered that without the concentration of capital by socialists governments, the grantors of corporate license. there would be no railroad, no oil wells either.
Civilization will collapse, it could never be saved. Perhaps no type of capital can be accumulated in a free market economy, humans can not overburden nature in a free market economy is my idea, because nature will not allow capital to accumulate.
Neoliberalism perhaps was started in 1850 with Fredrick Bastiat, see his railroad analogy, specifically think about how a railroad would never have been brought into being without government capitalizing it, she has mistaken Clinton, he was a neocon actor not a neoliberal.
Kind of like vaccines. If you are one who believes vaccines saves lives, think about how this has contributed to overpopulation. Now some of these vaccine people want to use vaccines to reduce population. How anti-nature is that? The only ones left alive will have been a determination of WHO, not based on whether a human is adapted to the biology on the planet, but towards who has the most money.
nyood mono we can see from your responses to several people on this thread that denial is more easy for you… But I understand. It’s a pretty bitter pill to swallow. Enjoy things while you can.
@@elianaselzer5785 exactly! cherish our lovely little interglacial. Future generations will indeed call us the lucky ones. Still complaining, but lucky, cozy and warm. Let the sun shine. Let the flowers bloom. with our precious precious Co2
@@nyoodmono4681 Yea, "brilliant" that you get money to write such crap. And what a sad individual, relying on pay by the oil industry to subsidize your life. Pathetic !
Do you suppose the cities built by China recently, but still largely unoccupied, are a hedge against Climate Change (in addition to the supposed benefit of showing a huge GDP) ?? I haven't checked the altitudes of these huge cities, or their proximity to agricultural areas that might be resistant to temperature rise (how many tens of cities are we talking about ?).
Great lecture and discussion, it’s always refreshing to hear highly intellectual scientist who give these type of lecture that reinforces my own understanding on this topic, especially in a political world of misinformation and dis-information. I agree, China because of their type of authoritarian central government they will be better able to make the necessary changes to adapt to a changing world….Thank you!!
Oreskes is neither a scientist nor particularly intelligent. She's a science historian, and she's an activist when it comes to any discussion about Climate Change (originally called Anthropogenic Global Warming, because the AGW activists didn't think anyone would catch them lying about the "science" of the alleged greenhouse effect). So no, I don't appreciate Oreskes, and I think it is high time she issues a mea culpa for her unsubstantiated article claiming 97% of scientists accepted AGW ideas as if they were factual!! She looked at one online database, and didn't save her results to allow others to cross-check her work. Bad scientific method, bad scientist.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Ironically, plastic in landfills is about the only serious carbon sequestration we are engaged in. NO MORE BIODEGRADABLES.... .they readmit carbon to the biosphere.
these climate predictions are based on inaccurate climate models, and selective measuring of temperature trends ,,,,,,,the more I research the more disgusted I am at this alarmist doomsday climate change mantra.....
What a load of cobblers. What was the cause of many climate changes to higher temps and high CO2 than this before Fred Flintstone got his first diesel?
Well, look on the bright side of global warming, l say . Its still got to be better than facing an lce age. Where nothing would grow. It should be compulsory for every farmer, land owner, to set aside land to grow trees, that are native and suitable for that area. As well as absorbing co2. Its good for wildlife and biodiversity.
Poor Naomi should stick to her University job, and stop trying to talk about an imaginary world that does not exist. There is no climate 'crisis', no climate 'emergency', and no increase in extreme weather. All we have are attention seekers like Naomi Oreskes spreading silly propaganda about an alleged future climate catastrophe.
umm, i think yo will find that Geo engineering is asically pouring millions of tons of allumiun,Barium and other shit into the ionosphere which will rain down on everything, killing trees and everything else...as well as creating a blanket trapping heat, and causing untold damage,
Sorry but the food riots happened in 1999. No one noticed because they were too busy eating the food that they said would not exist. We were suppose to canablizing each other by 2005. We currently have the technology to feed 10 billion people, in part thanks to in the increase in co2.
Do you think anyone has total control over the food? No, so no one is trying to distribute it fairly. What you are saying is that the government should step in and totally control who gets food and how produces how much of it. That is a recipe for disaster. Look at the soviet union. It had the ability to feed its people 2 times over, but there were always huge bread lines at grocery stores and their shelves were empty. Why? Because most of the food their farmers produced rotted because the government distribution system was so corrupt and slow the food would go bad long before it reached the people it was suppose to feed. Yet this is the model we are suppose to believe will "fairly" distribute the food in the future? Capitalism is not perfect, but it is the best that we have found.
Hey climate guys- Earth warms and ice caps melt- 1.Billionaires will find their beach front mansions under water-new beach is inland where poor people live- billionaires must pay poor people huge amounts for the beach property- hooray for wealth redistribution 2. Sea levels rise- whale habitat increases- and their population expands- Yay for whales 3. More ocean means more fish which means more seafood for the poor - Go poor people!! 4. Expansion of sea surface means more rainfall and more fresh water-Down with droughts!! 5. More rainfall means deserts across the globe become arable farmland and we have a huge surplus of low cost food- great for previously starving, but now overweight Africans. 6. melted glaciers mean Siberia, N. Canada, Antarctica, Greenland and Iceland are now open for people to move and live there- Yes to homesteading. 7. Huge reserves of oil and natural gas are discovered under Antarctica- oil becomes cheaper than water- Mid east oil is no longer important and conflicts cease- Save the Camels!! In support of starving Africans, whales and camels I am leaving my Hemi Challenger idling all week long.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Lucky for you we still have plastic and coal fired powerplants and all those Asian children working in sweatshops to build computers and I-phones and those 1000 foot long container ships burning tons of fuel per hour to deliver them to your local store, so you can sit at Starbucks, drinking from a paper cup which used to be a tree and blame all the world's evils on someone else.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Did you hear that Greta the Elf declined an invitation to speak at the UN, because her new black boyfriend wanted to go to a rap concert where she finished third in the white twerkers competition.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο I figured you were one of her followers and would know if it was true. But on that we agree, why would anyone care what some loopy teenager thinks about the climate. There is a lot of physics in twerking, you've got inertia, acceleration, deceleration, joules expenditure etc. It's really important for the global quotient. It is a scientific fact that if all the twerkers faced east, the earth's rotation would slow down and the axial precession would be affected, and we all know that the axial precession is what causes the cycles of climate change.
With oceans acidifying 10-times faster than extinction events, time to end the Steam Age for electricity, consider the implications of these commercial, leading edge machines; Flip substations off-grid, 1-Mw, 50-year no-inputs warranty, Belgian: technokontrol, a current project, RF-5000. For off-grid, grid-tied homes or not, 10kw/$15k, 5kw/$8k, 20-year no-inputs warranty, S.Korean: infinitysav Magnet motors drive these, it's why they DON'T NEED FUEL or other inputs, only upkeep, found doing trade studies for a lunar mission, why use anything else in space or on Earth? We did leave the Holocene climate for good this winter-spring, ask any farmer with nothing planted in July, eh?
All bullshit,alarmists have never been right,there is no warming,No rising seas ,just follow the money,why just the West,go bullshit the Chinese,I I am sure they will listen!
I like that Washington Post poll a few months back. It found most Americans are "very" concerned about climate change and thought it at least "likely" to be an existential threat, but that the majority would NOT accept a $24 fuel increase per year on their heating bill to combat it. lol
The climates been warming since the Ice ages. There was no industry then. Why is this not all is needed to use your brains? POLUTION is real. Climate change is a hoax. It's been doing what it's built to do. No one needs a scientist. Scientist is a state of mind. LOGIC. Volcanoes push out more carbon than said whatever's and have been known to make ice and mini ice ages...
Which pretty much lines up those polled with China, India & Russia. Everybody's concerned; few want to pay a price. Leadership must forge a reasonable & practical way forward. Don't make the fix worse than the problem!
Yeah, but now we know that the very wealthy few contribute vastly more to co2 emissions than the majority of poorer people do so ordinary ppl would be right to object to that disproportionately unfair tax increase. There should be a wealth tax on big corporations and fabulously wealthy individuals, but of course they dominate the narrative to shift it away from their own responsibility.
@@Skylark_Jones
Disproportionate? Wealthy people already pay far more of their proportionate income as tax. The lowest tax rate is 10% and the highest 27% (not including State tax, where applicable).
Does the guy driving a fancy car pollute the air that much more than the guy driving a pickup?
Check out Copenhagen consensus’ study on what people worried the most about. Climate was way down on the list so the WP “poll” is obviously fabricated to support a narrative.
The good news is that the Anthropocene will be the shortest geological period of them all.
And, it will not even be called that by whatever species evolves eventually to replace us in a few million years 😂
@@allgoo1990 Or air. 😂 as the concentration of co2 and methane increases the volume of o2 decreases. Cutting down trees and poisoning the plankton is going to seriously fuck with o2 levels.
Capitalocene
@@Rnankn 👏👏👏😂😂😂
@@allgoo1990
Well stuff like buried vegies, roots, canned food, pets, people..
Could be an viable retirement plan as state pensions decline.
As someone with hungarian roots i wanna be gulash.
Grannpa Ed might be chewy after all that bad news hes reading
If capitalism means: just reap the financial benefits and forget about the cost, then capitalism is doomed. The question whether we will go down with it or not.
Capitalism is a death cult. ☠️💰
Everyone is going down its already to late and has been for some time we have well past the emissions needed to hit the 2c mark and beyond. People are way to optimistic the changes needed are literally almost the exact opposite of our societies, no one is giving up their, electronics, no one is giving up there aircon or their cars and yyou would be lucky to get over 40% of people to stop eating meat, people are filled with hope because we are "smart" and can "engineer" our way out of this, not this time bucko to much hinges on everything needing to go right to stop this, when humans have shown we will do the opposite
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Insightful, comprehensive.... I am out of words on how enlightening her thesis is. Thank you!
As a matter of fact, she points at the problem as a social science problem. This is something me and colleagues (all scientists and engineers) were intuitively thinking. We had for many years thoght we were missing people with humanities and social science backgrounds in our discussion forum.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
The world is over before 2040. 2393 would be a blessing.
Why "the end of *western* civilisation" not "the end of civilisation"? Epilogue: I asked this question at the beginning of the lecture: she answered it at the end: the powerfully centralised govt of China meant they took decisive action (no expense spared) to protect the majority of their population whilst the neoliberalist western nations left it up to individuals to "take responsibility for their own safety". The differing responses to the Covid pandemic by China and the other Oriental-Asian countries compared to the approach of the UK, US, Europe and Brazil highlights this very well. However, what form does a "stabilised" climate change in 24th century look like after the collapse in the 21st century? She doesn't say what that looks like, she just assumes there's a "civilisation" after the collapse. After all, no country at the moment seems to be taking drastic steps including China to combat or even prepare some kind of adaptation to an era after the climate/nature collapse.
Regardless of what the speaker said no country will escape this no matter how they set their society up, China is bringing a coal plant online every week at the moment almost every developed country has played a part. If anything Chinas high populations and aging at that will make it harder to control when things go south
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
When heat and drought make it impossible to grow grains at scale, human civilization will collapse, billions will die, and rising wet bulb temps will finish off any survivors. We waited too long to tackle climate change, and our extinction will come much sooner than most people think. I'd be very surprised if there's a single human left by 2060.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
While i dont agree with the Geophysical force being equal, we have no idea what the methane hydrates will bring... We dont have long.
We do know
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Climate change signals the end of democracy in its present from. The structure of government will have to change for there to be any valid solution/strategy implemented to combat the results that may occur as a result of climate change. There will have to be a drastic change in the notion of 'capitalism', something that over-rides/ignores anything to do with rationality - capitalism is only interested in making more money, nothing else, and democracy aids this cancerous/exploitative way of existing...
Thus democracy and capitalism will need to be replaced by an authoritarian type of regime that imposes changes that everyone will be forced to accept for the benefit of all rather than pandering to the individual wants of the few who at the moment control the wealth and power, and who are, understandably, reluctant to relinquish it.
Perhaps a highly morally platonian, socialist-scientific ruling elite could be the answer... however, acknowledging that human beings, being essentially animals who react according to these primeval precepts, always have an innate compunction to subvert any form of social control... Sooo... extinction is the inevitable outcome...
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
That Radioactive Reactors can not produce energy in a changing climte is the minor Problem,
they all get very unsecure is the main Problem.
This is very old knowledge, a lot of people already spoke about it in the 80ties.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
You are right. I'm afraid to eat fish ever since Fukushima melt down... though I still do. Also helpful would be law for only 2 kids per family to help reduce population.
Insect biomass is falling rapidly, when pollinating insects reach a critical level most of our food crops will begin to fail. The future is starvation.
this is what matters, you are on the right way. skip your warming bs, focus on biosphere toxicity :-)
This is partially true. Some of our staple crops are wind-pollinated. However there will be many more pressures on crop production that will add up.
@@BRUtahn All in all Crops should keep increasing. Earth is greening since 30 years according to nasa.
"Always someone else's civilization getting wrecked". And the another quote comes to mind, "You cannot get yourself out of a problem by facing it with the same attitude that got you into it in the first place"
The translations of this book
the idea of "Permaculture"
"Renewable resources"
All get watered down to "We can go on with the party! We don't have to have any self control! we don't have to respect anything be our own selfish desires! Technology and techniques will continue to give us abundance!!!"
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
@@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186 It's actually worst.
Net profit = income - expenses - loss due to external factors. (ie. regulations, lack of resource access)
Companies base their projections on possible income if everything goes as planned and then report a loss if it doesn't.
@@ecocentrichomestead6783 Like when the electric company let their equipment get so warn out that it caused a major forest fire in California, the government
bailouts, to pay for equipment repairs, made their waning stock sore back up. People in the 'know' made fortunes in the stock market, while many people lost their homes.
This woman is a brilliant thinker and a clear speaker who knows her stuff. Amazing. I'd purchased Merchants of Doubt a bit ago but hadn't read it yet. I definitely will be now.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
If there are many capitalisms, can't there also be many socialisms, and many other potential alternatives to capitalism as well? It really bothers me how she seems to have this idea that giving up capitalism is awful because we have seen Soviet communism, as if that is the only option. What we need isn't just a regulated capitalism. Lots of European countries have capitalism that is a lot more regulated than the US, but we're still barely doing anything about climate change. Because capitalism relies on growth, that we keep producing and selling even more stuff. Regulated capitalism is obviously not enough. It will have to be regulated to the point of not being capitalism anymore. So it's better to come up with a system that works well by itself, where we don't have to regulate the very thing it relies on. What is that system? I don't know. But if we're dead-set on the idea that anything but capitalism is evil, great minds will not even consider other options. With a more open minded perspective, we can surely come up with something better.
I agree. Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
A new Definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
How can anyone, who knows so little about climate science, pretend to know so much?
Patrick; Its called the Dunning-Kruger effect. "Google" the topic for an explanation. :-)
Excellent presentation. There are almost 8 billion people now. That has never happened before. Each one of us rich or poor has a carbon footprint which is beyond the the earth's capacity to sustain or absorb. There are simply too many of us for the earth to support and our civilization will crash. Its not an if but when.
Yes agree. The crazy part is that all governments in the world are advocating for GDP growth which almost automatically implies further population growth. Not only will our civilization crash but we are precipitating the decline. It is depressing. I feel for the natural world and the future generations of humans, including my two children. I had no idea of the issue then.
The big taboo that no one wants to talk about.
If there were only a billion humans on the planet.
Every last one could drive a car that gets 9 mpg,live in a 3000 square foot home that burns coal for heat and eat meat every meal.
Earth wouldn't notice any of it.
The CO 2 numbers are fact. The CO 2 latency period of decades is fact. The Methane numbers are fact. The feedback loops are fact. The melting ice is fact. The ocean and land temp increases are fact. Exponential as a mathematical concept is fully understandable. Global dimming is a fact. The baseline is 1750, not 1850 and we are easily past 1.5 C and already very near 2.0; actually 4.0 in the Arctic where it really matters. There are known temperature numbers for decline and failure of agriculture which we are now flirting with. The world population continues to grow as does the use of fossil fuels. The 6th mass extinction is factually underway. Literally nothing of a meaningful nature was done 40 years ago when it mattered and nothing is being done or will be done even now when it is too late. Human beings will vanish from this planet in very short order, probably years.....
You are spot-on SH.
But, as the animal-urge dictates, I am gathering my nearest and dearest and heading to islands of high southern latitudes. Good luck
Yep! I teach rainwater harvesting, and biointensive gardening, for free, here in Mexico but, its probably too late to adapt.. Ref. my website www.ciclicoahuila.com old geologist
Lol
It iş a pity for humanity that this video has been seen by so lower number of people while a make-up video is seen by millions😥 just like the movie “don’t look up”
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
A new Definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
If you wrote that book from the perspective of looking back at "history" from around 2080, rather than somewhere in the 2300's, it'd be a little more realistic.
We're not going to be here after 2100. That's all but guaranteed. We're probably not going to be here after 2060.
Yeah. 2300 is way beyond hopium overdose.
I don't disagree with that.
2060? I believe a lot sooner; otherwise I'd continúe recycling.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
The climate scientists have been saying that Climate Disruption is caused by human overconsumption. If you haven't heard them say it, you haven't been paying attention. Instead of reading lies with a snooty attitude, why haven't you developed a branch of science that could better coordinate the different branches and areas of sciences involved in Climate Disruption? That way there will be better communication between the branches. But I guess it's easier to run your mouth than your other muscles. What's your next complaint, that the age of enlightenment, didn't turn out to be too enlightening? How we could have done better? Or how maybe it wasn't such a good idea to wipe out so many of the other species, like savage barbarians? Or how we still treat each other like savage barbarians? You can take your attitude and put it to use where it belongs. Fighting against the wealth extractors who are causing the problem. Who do you think conned the people into over consuming? The people have been consuming decades worth of propaganda. Reality TV trains people to pick a contestant and bond with that contestant, so if their choice wins, it's like they win. When elections come around, the people are now trained to pick a contestant/candidate they think has the best chance of winning and bond with that contestant/candidate. The next trick is to get the people to want to bond with a particular candidate, so the media pushes the candidate or candidates the ruling elite want promoted. The choice has become based on shallow, superficial identity characteristics, because that is what happens in the Reality TV shows they have been trained on. Why don't you fight against that?
This feels a bit like discussing how many deckchairs were on the Titanic- it now makes no difference because we’ve hit the iceberg - literally and it’s melting fast.
Catastrophizing without providing anything of substance is useless. So is inaction. What are you doing to reduce the damage, and to ease suffering?
True. But check out all the regreening the desert documentaries, agroforestry and the like. There's hope.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
All civilisations come to an end. We are privileged to be able to witness one in "real time". This one is spectacularly entertaining, kick back and relax, it's inevitable, Just saying
Maybe, but the idea that my niece and nephew's children may have no future and be born into a dying civilization makes me feel insane. And the last year's horrors feel like the start of a terrifying new reality. I am not entertained.
Valar, not entertaining at all. But we fought (some of us) and we post. I am accepting it. No more recycling or going out of my way, when people who do have children never cared.
Lost*
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
A new Definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
USAF/SMC research scientist here. This presentation is a really *excellent* fusion of history and physical facts, as well as integration of the most important points of some key books. Thanks. I wish I could have gotten my scientific colleagues and managers to have listened to this; however, everyone is only interested in their own careers (that is, increasing their own carbon footprints a la Anderson et al.'s observations on Chancel/Piketty and Oxfam [2015]).
I think the unspoken assumption which has evolved within the existing and newer intelligentsia (including at the Universities) is that if they work hard enough in the next 10 years, and increase their carbon footprints enough, then they can *buy* their way into the group who survive.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Yes improve capitalism, pay workers more instead of all the insane profits going to the stock market while rich people act broke and call it marxist.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Those who choose not to study history are doomed to repeat it.
France is having another heatwave now 105F temps.
Update: Alaska temperature as high as 95F for July 9th. Methane levels at highest level recorded in March 2019 at 1866.4 CH4 PPB.
Record was 113F
@@PhilippeOrlando Now Alaska is having a heatwave. It was hotter in Anchorage than Key West, FL.
@@fraidycat7037 Yeah, I thought that! Amazing!
So whats new. The earth has went through many climate & geological events throughout its history. Many cycles of climate changes that have been worse than current events. All this climate hysteria is propagated by shyster scientists , researchers, media & politicians for their own selfish interests and have nothing to do with real observational data of world wide climate. There is no existential threat to life on earth caused by climate change as ALL life either adapts, dies out or evolves to cope with the environmental conditions. Birds & other animal life migrate to locations where food & water is obtainable year around according to the climatic conditions that change seasonally. Humans do the same as well as inventing technology that allows them to live better in places that have seasonal weather changes.
@@earldecker7760 Oh no, they won't like you saying that the earth is actually in control and not us humans running the show as we naively seem to believe. I find it incredible that people really believe that by paying more taxes will change the climate.
But before I get flamed by others as a climate change denier, I should point out that in my view the terminology of what we are doing to the planet needs to change. What we are doing is POLLUTING the planet in numerous catastrophic ways, the largest of which is the burgeoning human population, which at some point in the not too distant future will reach saturation point where the planet resources can no longer support the shear numbers of humans dependant upon it. Add into the mix our obsession with the economics and globalisation of world trade (such as fossil fuels like coal) and perhaps you may give me some leeway in my scepticsim of why we cant win this battle. Something will have to bring back the balance........and that ladies and gentlemen will be climate change. History has proven that these events have happened before and most likely will again.
We are now 1.73 c. We will hit 2c this summer according to well renowned Scientists. When ICE has melted completely, we have 6 maybe stretch it to 10 weeks. I wish ALL "experts" would just tell the plain truth to the public! Do the research for yourself people. Then live accordingly for the time you have left. Everything you see is brighter, more colorful, you hear all of nature that's left not city notice, everything tastes sweeter and more savory, you can smell nature and it's more potent. Being in love more deeply. Life is in, the every moment and I cherish "TIME" so much more, it's beautiful. My husband and I are one now. God is here.God bless everyone.
Just weeks? I'm skeptical because the shelves in the Arctic Ocean have been free of ice in summer lows for a while. The deep ocean is where the ice has persisted. Yes, the warming had sped up and probably will continue to speed up but I don't see the arctic ocean being ice free for a few weeks in a year coming soon to be a sudden turning point. It's probable that 2022 might be the year but 2023 might not be completely ice free because the situation is non linear.
Will something substantial that will change the situation be done in the next 5 to 10 years? I doubt it. With continued growth in the world economies all bets are off. Only substantial degrowth could make a difference.
Oh shut up
@@RichRich1955 he's an idiot plain and simple. I agree with you data points to a partial blue ocean event by 2024 latest. That will be for a few weeks and will be longer each subsequent year until the ice doesnt come back.
your well renowned scientists have assfaces, in fact they already say things like "If we continue like this with the "Pause" we might have to start to worry" (worry that they are wrong and the house of cards tumbles) xD
Yes. It is rather like accepting your own death if you have a terminal illness. Everything you have left is more beautiful. I came to most of these conclusions quite a while back. People really cannot handle this reality. I don’t discuss it with my children. At least two could not handle it. But all of life is sweeter. Everything is more beautiful when you know you do not have as much left. Love and kindness become everything.
The end of gread and mothern civilisation , there no such thing as endless growth
Another heat wave just happened like this in the West, July 2021
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
It's astonishing how much worse things have gotten in just the three years since this was recorded.
Klein just repeats what people did say from the early industrialisation.
I haven't read Kleins book. But I have to agree with Naomi Oreskes that it is simpler to change a little in the current system than everything (i.e. going from the current capitilist system to socialist system). A solution would have to encompass a body of scientists that honestly calculate a fee and all goods and services produced that pays properly for the cost of the destruction of nature that corresponds to those goods and services. Then the fees should be paid out evenly to the public. Taxes should be collected to fund projects that repair and preserve nature. These are tweeks that can push the system to solve our problems. These tend to work better provided humans intervene EARLY! Not something that I see happening. I think something along the lines of a dystopian future, where humans suffer, and, the forces of capitalism and democracy become associated with the destruction of nature (even though it didn't have to be the case) is going to be a dominant feature of humanity's future. Thank you for your comments.
It seems it's the end of sanity, objectivity and critical thought. There is no evidence of a climate "crisis".
As to the ability of liberal democracies to respond to climate change look at how liberal democracies responded to other crises, for example WWII. In the USA, the FDR administration was quite able to mobilize both private and public resources to respond to world war. The argument or suggestion that some sort of dictatorship is necessary or desirable is at least arguable if not doubtful.
then in WWII, there was a clearly defined enemy, now we have a problem without enemy, therefor it is much more difficult to unite large groups, especially where it is the behaviour of the large groups themselves that has to be changed
@@ottohuizinga2394 Another consideration is that the US under FDR is unrecognisable from the government/politics we see today.
I'm absolutely convinced if WW2 was kicking off today, the US govt couldnt get enough consensus to participate in it. Political decisions are now made primarily on the basis of the culture war and future electability.
Trump got pretty close.
He set the bar at least.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
P.S. law to allow only 2 kids per family to help reduce population.
& John Berbatis, just one more thing....
To get an idea of - why - the inevitable is as such, observe an American PBS documentary called - Humanity From Space.
Through the use of satellite technology, they lay out the human industrialization evolutionary process, including the inevitable consequences.
One of the best documentaries I've ever seen.
"...One of the best documentaries I've ever seen..."
Sad - learn some science
@@robmanzoni5766
Watch it.
If you did & you didn't get the "big picture", too bad for you.
Learn perspective.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Some people mistakenly blame population growth as the driving force behind Climate Catastrophe. Furthermore, they blame the underdeveloped world for industrialising as the chief culprits.
However, these assertions are not support by the facts. Taking China as an example, they produce less CO2 per head of population than say America. Plus they have extensively incorporated major green energy schemes in China's infrastructure. Just a America's infrastructure collapses due to underinvestment. In addition the annual hydrocarbon consumption in the US is double the that of China.
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
A new definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Regulated capitalism or even circular capitalism is where the answers lie. I had to frown at the statement that "freedom" and "capitalism" were "conflated." I'd like to hear the argument where they have nothing to do with one another. Socialism requires an authoritarian state in order to operate properly. That's why all Marxist evolution roadmaps lead toward dictatorships or one-party governments. Capitalism absolutely has to be regulated. It will defeat itself without it. Monopolies are an example of that. It comes down to how much or how little regulation is needed at a given time for the optimal result, and that discussion should be constantly addressed under each administration, but when taken to extremes (over-regulation vs de-regulation) I am concerned of abuse. Neoliberalism worked until it was abused, for example.
Civilization, humanity then the ecosystem.
With respect to stellar academic Prof Oreskes I was disappointed that her presentation mostly talked about the problems we are familiar with, when I was hoping & kinda expecting that at this crisis stage she would address the actions needed to be taken. Sadly the scientific arguments that have informed us for decades have also failed for decades to scare us enough into generating mitigating actions. This seems to have fallen to the likes of David Spratt & David Wallace-Wells, albeit relying upon plenty of sound science data published by so many including the Potsdam Institute, Michael Mann, Peter Wadhams etc etc.
Ironically the actions of a schoolgirl Greta Thunberg have had far more success in grabbing the public's attention to consider how serious, & existential, are the challenges which face us & particularly the youngest generation. However, hopefully, it may indeed be the scientists who rescue us from our plight - if anyone really can delay the setting sun on the horizon.
that is always how they talk, repeat what we already know, low level science
In 1971, I created a democratic communal society with no personal cars. My coworker said he liked the idea of a democratic cooperative state, but he was not giving up his car. This is what the oil companies know. No one is giving up their cars. Therefore, climatic change is ignored.
Electric cars exist, and are more fun to drive than gas cars. Renewable electricity exists.
She is very interesting to listen to, I learned a lot
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
The study, published in the journal Science, created a huge dataset based on almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries and covering 40 food products that represent 90% of all that is eaten. It assessed the full impact of these foods, from farm to fork, on land use, climate change emissions, freshwater use and water pollution (eutrophication) and air pollution (acidification).
“A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions.
The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% - an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined - and still feed the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
As long as there are too many humans to support, no efforts to improve our odds of survival will be successful. The late, great Prof. Albert Bartlett told us. He has vids on RUclips.
Anthropocene=3rd wave of industrial revolution, atomic age. 1st wave was the 1770s w steam machines, 2nd came after 1870 oil gas and electricity. I think that industrialization is the key in this problem not capitalism, as its first and second waves were implemented not only by liberal democracies but all sorts of other systems like absolute and constitutional monarchies, II German Reich, Austro-Hungarian empire, tsarist Russia, Meiji Japan, Ottoman empire, totalitarian states like Soviet union, fascist Italy, Nazi Germany they were also industrial and so was the 3rd wave adopted by all Ex Soviet bloc states, by shia theocratic Iran and sunnite Saudi Arabia. There is no state just a few leftover populations of hunting-gatherers or pure agriculture and nomadic pasture as a life form. The problem is not the ideology or religion or secularism, its the simple fact that nobody wants to voluntarily give up comforts privileges of modern healthcare, housing, industrialized food supply goods and services and return to pre-industrial living standards with 35 years of average life expectancy. Since we wont do it voluntarily, mother nature will toss us back to a short nasty and brutish life. Or even worse, extinction. The scientific consensus is that the stable Holocene conditions for agriculture will be gone by a few more Celsius temperature rise so the food wont be enough to sustain the population.
Finally you also hit the nail on the head as to what system will come, Plato described the slide from democracy to tyranny as the last phase of state which is caused by the extreme situation of climate change, food shortages caused by extreme weathers civil war etc.
All that misdirected vomit about what a political economy is then you wax philosophical with Plato… jeezus h…
At about 46:00 conservatives' (republicans') turn against environmentalism in 1970s... This is a weird issue I still can't quite understand. I guess, historian Christopher Lasch had written about it in The Revolt of the Elites. Very enlightening talk by N. Oreskes, and good answers to questions.
Recall the Anthropocene was declared originally for sedimentation rates never approached by the geologic record as cores are the basis of much of geology, not weather, radioactive fallout and other criteria.
Communism is capitalism as well. Only it's state capitalism versus private or market capitalism. Capitalism is the problem,
you seem to not really understand what capitalism is and how it is the problem.
Read Ayn Rand's "Capitalism - The Unknown Ideal", though I doubt you'll understand it
As this minimum cools the earth it will be the end of the prosperity and the good health of the world just like every time before!
Also, IMHO, the Holocene should be eliminated and added to the Pleistocene because a 10,000 year long epoch is too short to be seen in the geological record.
Steve Fitt; Deep ice cores at the Antarctic French Dome C and Russian Vostok stations cover a time perid of some 800.000 years ago to the Present. on a yearly basis. A few years may be missed through the lack of deposion or melting but, are corrected by volcanic ash deposits. old geologist
This Lady knows stuff and has her ducks in a row,,,,, smart smart Lady ! Love her talk and work.
insightful if you choose to ignore the measurable facts that the current climate change is not catastrophic
In 1970s, as still very much a child, I was reading small pamplets that had future warnings about the population explosion, pollution and famines. It had lots of forebodings as to the future of the planet’s ability to look after the growing human population. This got me started on thinking about trends leading to the future and I read books like Future Shock, The Third Wave and Megatrends, etc.
This reading had me thinking, is this all being planned out and manipulated by faceless people behind the scenes; a Global Conspiracy of sorts. I read lots about various secret societies and groups all seeming to have plans for a future planet. Many of them morphed into today’s think-tanks and lobby groups. I thought this was a way I could try to forecast what the future may look like.
Eventually, I came to the conclusion the future will not be like some Jetsons cartoon or 1970s Utopia vision. It is going to be far far worse than that for billions of people and very likely the poorest of them, which we are mostly sheltered from in our Western countries and lavish lifestyles. It seems as if these consequences were of no real concern for those in power, and even to many of us, that added to my thinking that some grand conspiracy was in place to change the world for select few, the so-called 1%ers, the neo-aristocracy.
But despite all that, I came to realise that there is no conspiracy and that the world is not being manipulated, it is just been exploited by a few and we are all trying to be part of the select few in order to escape our lot in our lives. Witness the massive and growing migrations of refugees, etc. trying to get to a better life and bring their families with them as well. So we are all really part of the problem by our striving to better ourselves. It has been said that we need two and half earths if the whole population were to live like us Westerners.
So back to the trends I was informed about in the 1970s and what has been happening since. The biggest trend is the population exponential growth and the consequences thereof. I read recently that if we added all the weight of all land mammals together, 96% of that would be us humans and our livestock and only 4% are wild mammals. So big is our impact on the natural world.
This impact on the natural world, our exploitation of natural resources for industry and pleasures, has caused so many problems we are now in the 6th mass global extinction. But that is not all, our fish stocks are reducing, our arable soils are losing suitability for growing crops making us use even more pollutig fertilisers, our forests are making way for cash crops and more and more farming lands for our needs. We are also using fossil fuels at unprecedented levels to support our growing populations for power, for industry, for construction, for transportation, for chemical and plastic production, which contribute to our pollution. Strangely all that pollution too, in the air is acting like a shield from the sun delaying some of the current warming trends, some are even suggesting we send even more up as a sort of geo-engineering. But also concerning that pollution is killing our sea life, and its ability to absorb our waste. We even take in a teaspoon of micro plastics a week into our bodies affecting our health directly.
So we have the skeptics, doubters and deniers, many of which are sponsored by the fossil fuel industries, which help to influence people who have their ‘confirmation biases’ confirmed that there are no problems. I too was influenced by these people a few years ago now. They have done their part to delay any meaningful actions for decades and concerned scientists first warned about these future problems in 1992 and more recently in 2017 with graphs showing how things have gotten worse in just a mere 25 years. We now have famines, heatwaves, floods, storms, droughts, city water shortages, forest fires, as now regular ‘Once in a hundred years’ events happening almost yearly around the world. I am not going to convince you in this one post, but I hope like me you may make your own investigations and discover what I have concluded after many years of research, that we are headed to an Uninhabitable Earth.
So yeah, things have gotten so bad and the effects are now so noticeable to even most lay-people, but in actual fact it is really much much worse than what we see as many scientists have reported already. The feedback loops are only now just starting, and we have what are ‘known unknowns’ effects leading to ‘unknown unknowns’. So the future is concerning because it really is unknown and I worry for younger generations.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children”
... well said
I had to check to make sure I had not written this post. Absolutely correct on everything, unfortunately. The video was a travesty. There stands a merchant of doubt speaking in the video. That we have any sort of steak or chance in this at all.
This is an excellent and really detailed commentary on these set of issues, thank you for writing it!
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
In the early Industrialisation some smart people already knew where this will lead to when growing and they saw it growing.
One of then talked about it was also Karl Marx, who is untill today been dispised by capitalstic people, for his realistic Knowledge.
Marx is also rejected by intelligent people because he was an intellectual idiot and college dropout. The only intellectuals who like Marxist ideology are Communists who don't understand Capitalism, nor the science of Economics.
@@danweaver4304 That is totally wrong, Karl Marx had not much to do with Communists, he was democratic Socialist, working most of his life time for a democratic newspaper in Germany - when you do not understand the difference and not knowing much about Karl Marx shows who really never saw a school in his life time.
That Karl Marx is rejected for political reasons and not by science does just say, that people are stupid in their greed.
No Matter what - a lot of clever people saw by the early industrial Revolution and its groth where this will lead to, what we can see and we all have today and these people you can hate like you want they are right like it is more then proven over many years and these people are till today not only Karl Marx, they are coming from every kind of scientific field and from the political mostly of course not, because it is not really a scirentific field and education for not so smart people.
Today it is mostly primary school education that every uner 8 year old does understand that Capitalism Transforms limited Resources intro pollution like CO2 with a lot of energy, which does lead to an inhabitable planet earth.
It is today the very simple low education grade that you are able to understand, that by physics and the laws of nature mankind produces with too much energy ressources into pollution and by the laws of nature in chemistry this is mostly carbon in someway not only by using energy and burning fossil fuels also transfoming products and matrials like producing plastic or concrete or what so ever mostly the chemical reaction ends with carbon as a pollution.
The anthropgenic Climate Change is nordays already kindergarden education when also not in that detail, you are not able to speak on the level of 4 year old kid when not can manage that simple knowledge, people already forsee in the early industrial revolution, like Karl Marx did too.
And simple education is also that the anthropgenic climate change will be the 6th big mass extinction in earth history, like we had on every global climate change without an exception in earth history.
Today just Caused by Capitalism, Productivity, Mass Consume, Growth, Energy and Ressources Usage and Globalism and global Transport and Trade and wealth.
@@橋本帆乃香-y6n Good call! Way to go with your explanation :)
@@patricklincoln5942 I do explain a lot because there are a lot of stupid idiots out there and my english is also not the best anymore.
@@橋本帆乃香-y6n : Lol. The stupid idiots out there. They tend to learn better if we don't call them that. But I know what you mean. One of the characters by your name (or is it a user name) appears to be Japanease. Are you from Japan?
'Geologists in the future..'
.....that time when humanity replaced God with government and believed they could control the weather......
Isn't planned obsolescence a factor in the Great Acceleration? On what grounds does the economics profession ignore the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods? They do not tell us that they do it. We run the world on defective algebra.
How much CO2 is the result of planned obsolescence? 60 years after Sputnik and scientists haven't noticed that economists ignore the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods. Brilliant! Try fixing the economy with mandatory accounting in the schools.
www.toxicdrums.com/economic-wargames-by-dal-timgar.html
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
@@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186
So if a software company makes the same profit as a steel mill it causes the same amount of climate change. This is the kind of reasoning that caused Karl Marx to deny that he was a Marxist.
Of course its the only way, by sience does mean beeing productive and using energy does mean CO2 Emissions,
so you have to stop using energy and stop beeing productive.
And this is not a point of view its a the Law of Nature about Energy.
1750 is when the humans started to really dig into Mother Nature. One smart lady here. ❤️❤️🌎❤️❤️
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Cause of climate change: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck.
Naomi,
Science has not failed us, societal norms have failed the construct of civilisation.
M Barrett, Sydney
Anthro-obscene suits our legacy best.
Funny! Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
A new definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Why is there a reluctance to address the main obvious underlying reason for all problems being discussed: exponential growth of human biomass and per capita consumption of resources and disposal of waste. Controlling human fertility is the main issue rather than discussing various ingenious means of sustaining our consumptive way of “anthropocene” life? Thermonuclear war is not a reasonable way to control population growth, but we are heading that way.
Is this mythos still around..?
Overpopulation isnt a problem if an equal global distribution on a sustainable frame is implanted.
Currently 20% of the world Populationen is producing 80% of the pollution while trowing away tons of food and products produced to fail early every year.
Many first world nations currently struggle with an over aging population.
And are also to blame for many of the currently observable displacements aka refugees.
Helping the developing countries rise there standards of living and education etc evidently reduces the number of children born.
Teach about contraception instead about the popes ideas and get them clean water and basic medical threatment so they dont lose that many children to avoidable diseases.
We breed new pandemics in our meat industry and exported our dirty industries in foraign nations.
Pointing on those guys living a dollar a week, digging up your rare metalls and recycling your old electronics while goin..
"Hey - they produce to many kids and look they still use coal!
I wont change my habbits until they are carbon neutral.."
...that kinda is an ass move.
Avoiding responsibility still doenst change the fact you will be effected in different ways by the consequences.
And also shouldnt the west have known that future water wars competing with people who were raised in civil war wont be a breeze?
They keep losing wars against insurgents..
And those syrians learned how to weld a tank out of tractor parts. Thanks military advisers
I would rather desubsidize fossils and create some jobs on the domestic level that help accelerate a transition to net zero.
Stop destroying the enviroment and livelihood of people.
While pretending having the right to use there resources like fishing and oel from west africa but ignore the impact your cheap Sandwich has on the people who helped you getting it.
Armed guards on ships against resulting pirate activities is just a temporary fix that also gets payed by someone.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο
If its ending anyway why should be care?
@-GinΠΓ Τάο
Still dont know where you are goin with this..
I think sociapaths are around since a long time as are greedy people, stupid people and a few who actually bring the species forward..
Steering towards a more sustainable global lifestyle to safe the climate, nature and the species is something most would profit from.
I would rather spend the limited time we have left, trying to convince the non sociapaths.
And working on problems that we actually have an influence off and that would benefit all on the longterm.
Overpopulation is like fusion power just as a constanst negative threat looming in near future it seems.
And thats still just an secondary symptom, like water shortages
If we keep destroying and polluting our reefs, fishing grounds, fertile land, nature in etc.
There wont be any clean and healthy land left those reduced populations can go anyway.
Everyone who hope sterilizing people will solve the problem will probably just head to a soylant green future.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο
Yeah its my comment thats all over the place...
Ill skip that "putting raw materials back under ground will fix nature" nonsense...
But are you comparing a mass in kg of 'Hawk' to Humans population?
That makes no sense at all.
First we arent as specialized and are omnivores.
Second we have a bigger and smarter brains and developed cool stuff like artificial fertilizers, domesticated more productiv grains and cattle and are now eating cheetos while we watch youtube in our air conditioned homes made out of plastics
Third
Afaik most 'hawk' species populations are theatened by extinction. While you are talking about human overpopulation..
There are alot of primitiv folks with less science knowhow who found a better ecological balance. The human species is part of nature and can either adapt or die out like many other species before
And there are alternatives to current technologies that would work better - if we would acknowledge the benefits of those investments.
Wasting money on a spaceship
to leave the planet or dismantling civilisation isnt viable and sound more like the plan of a cultleader ripping of his sheeple or a jamesbond villain.
And where the heck u wanna go with 1 billion lol ... they are gonna cannabalize themselves after a few months..
Its not like that earth will recover in time before anyone on that 'arch' is dust.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο
You dont even use the terms for logical fallacies correct.
An 'ad hominem' is an attack on the person.
For example calling someone unqualified without any subsidizing of those claims. Or using insults. Like you did.
And a 'non-sequitur' is "when the conclusion from an argument does not follow logically from its premises"
Your are comparing 'hawks' which isnt even e species.. with humans.
Hawks dont dig up coal and use it to power there refrigerator.. or use drag nets to destroy sea life...or put pestizides on the ground and into the water ...
And the dismantling of civilisation and reduction to 1 billion wont be enough if about 2 billion is currently to blame for 80% of pollution.
Nietzsche’s Last man , man in the generic sense that is both man and woman. When they wake up and find their comforts are no longer guaranteed it will be to make an already intolerable situation even worse.
When something could have been done it was the “the last man” who made sure that nothing would be done, when there is nothing that can be done, once we reach that collapsed state, rest assured that the “the last man” will rip into what remains of our humanity.
Each of us has within ourselves that “last man” who is tired and who just wants to sleep and be bothered no more. If that is so then Humanity is on course to achieve just that.
i know pollution is a problem and we have been working on this so why you don't hear more about china and india being shamed for any of there dirty water and air there not working on there still overpopulating the world and not trying to do there fair share
Crazy climate people
I have never heard so many mays,could,might,it has been estimated,the models show,the past,the future,science tells us,should,could,may,follow the money,the funding,the subsidies,politics,as if a carbon tax can Change the climate,so bloody absurd,war with China is a bigger threat to the planet than any climate catastrophe!
Brilliant
43:00 GREEN RENEWABLE UTOPIA IS REGULATED CAPITALISM IN A FREE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, such as the USA. We Do Whatever We Want As Long As We Do Not Degrade Any Resource. Resource being anything Earthly.
She is overly optimistic.
aww you are disapointed, not enough havoc? You are not alone. fukn pesimistic losers. you want the world to end. admit it and proceed.
@@nyoodmono4681
Your true colours come out mono-brow
@@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 Your Self loathing sorry first world problem generation will generate sad and concerned mono brow humans. 97% of scientists agree on that. Mono booshiebrowbushes
@@nyoodmono4681
I accuse you of complicity in the act of genocide. This is what your stance amounts to.
...yes...it's called...( h)Opium...As Guy McPherson suggests, it's time to grieve, to dance and let those you are close to know what they've meant to you.
2021 now and our pm scummo says the Great Barrier Reef is in fine health and not endangered at all 🤔🤨🤬🤬
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
A new definition is needed. Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Let's stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Hmmmm. Another non-scientist that claims to KNOW when the world will end.
There are thousands of scientists that debunk EVERYTHING she spouts about but...
This `non-scientist` understands more than you do.
@@tonycollyweston6182 Doubt it
Haha yeah...it should be easy for you to provide some kind of proof for your claims.
How about here the facts regarding the current situation like
1. an increase in average and record temperatures
2. prolonged fire and storm seasons
3.reef dying, fish species dying caused by loss of habbitats...
@@NewPipeFTW ALL of those subjects have been debunked. Years ago.
In the 60s these types were screaming: "...the earth is cooling and we're going into another ice age!" Screeeeeeee!
These same predictors warned that by 1985 the world population would be down to 30 million because we would drain the planet of all resources! 😂😂🤣🤣
They warned the same stuff would happen in the same predicted time as today.
We are still here and will continue until God decides to end it.
Relax. Enjoy. Quit worrying about something you can't control.
@@itlupe
Oh really
So you say...
Here is Carl Sagan 1985 testifing something else infront of US Congress..
ruclips.net/video/Wp-WiNXH6hI/видео.html
Edit: forgot to paste the link.
Just so all you scientists get a chance to learn more, this social aspect has already been published in the 14th chaPTER OF THE BOOK, "pERMACULTURE a DESIGNERS' mANUAL.
Another part that needs to be considered that without the concentration of capital by socialists governments, the grantors of corporate license. there would be no railroad, no oil wells either.
This author asks the right questions.
Civilization will collapse, it could never be saved. Perhaps no type of capital can be accumulated in a free market economy, humans can not overburden nature in a free market economy is my idea, because nature will not allow capital to accumulate.
Neoliberalism perhaps was started in 1850 with Fredrick Bastiat, see his railroad analogy, specifically think about how a railroad would never have been brought into being without government capitalizing it, she has mistaken Clinton, he was a neocon actor not a neoliberal.
Kind of like vaccines. If you are one who believes vaccines saves lives, think about how this has contributed to overpopulation. Now some of these vaccine people want to use vaccines to reduce population. How anti-nature is that? The only ones left alive will have been a determination of WHO, not based on whether a human is adapted to the biology on the planet, but towards who has the most money.
lost me at security protection and faith in the loving god...ffs. Get real.
She was quoting someone else. She did not say that was her belief.
Here during the pandemic where big government and loss of individual freedom is the norm.
At the end of the talk Naomi Oreskes spoke of alternative forms of capitalism. We need Carbon Fee and Dividend.
Thorium Molten Salt power doesn't need water to cool down an is walk away safe
The end of all complex life on Earth within 100 years
nope. you wish. self loathin first world problem usefull idiot :P
nyood mono we can see from your responses to several people on this thread that denial is more easy for you… But I understand. It’s a pretty bitter pill to swallow. Enjoy things while you can.
@@elianaselzer5785 exactly! cherish our lovely little interglacial. Future generations will indeed call us the lucky ones. Still complaining, but lucky, cozy and warm.
Let the sun shine. Let the flowers bloom. with our precious precious Co2
@@nyoodmono4681 Yea, "brilliant" that you get money to write such crap. And what a sad individual, relying on pay by the oil industry to subsidize your life. Pathetic !
20 years ago, I would have called you a lunatic without hesitation. Nowadays, I'm not so sure anymore...
Do you suppose the cities built by China recently, but still largely unoccupied, are a hedge against Climate Change (in addition to the supposed benefit of showing a huge GDP) ?? I haven't checked the altitudes of these huge cities, or their proximity to agricultural areas that might be resistant to temperature rise (how many tens of cities are we talking about ?).
Great presentation.
Great lecture and discussion, it’s always refreshing to hear highly intellectual scientist who give these type of lecture that reinforces my own understanding on this topic, especially in a political world of misinformation and dis-information. I agree, China because of their type of authoritarian central government they will be better able to make the necessary changes to adapt to a changing world….Thank you!!
Oreskes is neither a scientist nor particularly intelligent. She's a science historian, and she's an activist when it comes to any discussion about Climate Change (originally called Anthropogenic Global Warming, because the AGW activists didn't think anyone would catch them lying about the "science" of the alleged greenhouse effect). So no, I don't appreciate Oreskes, and I think it is high time she issues a mea culpa for her unsubstantiated article claiming 97% of scientists accepted AGW ideas as if they were factual!! She looked at one online database, and didn't save her results to allow others to cross-check her work. Bad scientific method, bad scientist.
@@danweaver4304 So, are your saying that she was a activist for the fossil fuel industry putting out dis information on climate change…?
Climate change is caused by: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit.
New Definition is needed Solution: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us.
We can create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. Hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try.
Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. P.S. New law, 2 kids per family.
Listening to historians talk about climate is a complete waste of time
If your going to have capitalism the consumer goods should be made to last a long time,so you don't have so much throw away stuff.
Ironically, plastic in landfills is about the only serious carbon sequestration we are engaged in. NO MORE BIODEGRADABLES.... .they readmit carbon to the biosphere.
Go tell the Chinese!
@@klaasdykstra8127 No talk to corporations they are the ones that want all the throw-away shit. Corporations want cheap labor.
Science is about power and money. No really, all of it. Even atoms do not exist.
-- Ye Old Scientist
What's going to happen in the event of a blue ocean event?
faster arctic warming and wackier weather patterns in the northern hemisphere
RyanPatrick oh thank God it won’t affect the Southern Hemisphere
@@frankboff1260 haha, of course just not as violently
I just love her laugh!
Pre-pandemic coughing alert!
these climate predictions are based on inaccurate climate models, and selective measuring of temperature trends ,,,,,,,the more I research the more disgusted I am at this alarmist doomsday climate change mantra.....
You're worried about your 401-K, aren't you Katie?
Its the End of freedom
How is negative global climate change conducive to `freedom`?
Strange title... Climate has been changing for 4,5 billion years. But if you're a Doomsday prophet I guess everyday is the last day..
What a load of cobblers.
What was the cause of many climate changes to higher temps and high CO2 than this before Fred Flintstone got his first diesel?
Well, look on the bright side of global warming, l say . Its still got to be better than facing an lce age. Where nothing would grow. It should be compulsory for every
farmer, land owner, to set aside land to grow trees, that are native and suitable for that area. As well as absorbing co2. Its good for wildlife and biodiversity.
Yeah, but it is at least 10000 years away
Poor Naomi should stick to her University job, and stop trying to talk about an imaginary world that does not exist.
There is no climate 'crisis', no climate 'emergency', and no increase in extreme weather.
All we have are attention seekers like Naomi Oreskes spreading silly propaganda about an alleged future climate catastrophe.
Let's be like China. Lol she's courageous enough to speak out
According to the Stanford study by Dvid Keith, Geoengineering can keep earth below 2.0 C for the next fifty years.
umm, i think yo will find that Geo engineering is asically pouring millions of tons of allumiun,Barium and other shit into the ionosphere which will rain down on everything, killing trees and everything else...as well as creating a blanket trapping heat, and causing untold damage,
@@katie-zq7qr They have been doing it since 1997. Petrol runs the world and they will never quit thie business.
@@DragonBallSuperZ: This shows you know what you are talking about. Good.
If climate change is the end of anything, its freedom and rights.
robert hicks it will be that, and beyond, e.g. martial law once food riots break out.
Sorry but the food riots happened in 1999. No one noticed because they were too busy eating the food that they said would not exist. We were suppose to canablizing each other by 2005. We currently have the technology to feed 10 billion people, in part thanks to in the increase in co2.
@@roberthicks1612
Yes, and we are so altruistic we will distribute it efficiently and fairly???
Do you think anyone has total control over the food? No, so no one is trying to distribute it fairly. What you are saying is that the government should step in and totally control who gets food and how produces how much of it. That is a recipe for disaster.
Look at the soviet union. It had the ability to feed its people 2 times over, but there were always huge bread lines at grocery stores and their shelves were empty. Why? Because most of the food their farmers produced rotted because the government distribution system was so corrupt and slow the food would go bad long before it reached the people it was suppose to feed.
Yet this is the model we are suppose to believe will "fairly" distribute the food in the future?
Capitalism is not perfect, but it is the best that we have found.
Freedoms and rights of the rich that is, the poor don't have any
Hey climate guys-
Earth warms and ice caps melt-
1.Billionaires will find their beach front mansions under water-new beach is inland where poor people live- billionaires must pay poor people huge amounts for the beach property- hooray for wealth redistribution
2. Sea levels rise- whale habitat increases- and their population expands- Yay for whales
3. More ocean means more fish which means more seafood for the poor - Go poor people!!
4. Expansion of sea surface means more rainfall and more fresh water-Down with droughts!!
5. More rainfall means deserts across the globe become arable farmland and we have a huge surplus of low cost food- great for previously starving, but now overweight Africans.
6. melted glaciers mean Siberia, N. Canada, Antarctica, Greenland and Iceland are now open for people to move and live there- Yes to homesteading.
7. Huge reserves of oil and natural gas are discovered under Antarctica- oil becomes cheaper than water- Mid east oil is no longer important and conflicts cease- Save the Camels!!
In support of starving Africans, whales and camels I am leaving my Hemi Challenger idling all week long.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Lucky for you we still have plastic and coal fired powerplants and all those Asian children working in sweatshops to build computers and I-phones and those 1000 foot long container ships burning tons of fuel per hour to deliver them to your local store, so you can sit at Starbucks, drinking from a paper cup which used to be a tree and blame all the world's evils on someone else.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Did you hear that Greta the Elf declined an invitation to speak at the UN, because her new black boyfriend wanted to go to a rap concert where she finished third in the white twerkers competition.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο I figured you were one of her followers and would know if it was true. But on that we agree, why would anyone care what some loopy teenager thinks about the climate. There is a lot of physics in twerking, you've got inertia, acceleration, deceleration, joules expenditure etc. It's really important for the global quotient. It is a scientific fact that if all the twerkers faced east, the earth's rotation would slow down and the axial precession would be affected, and we all know that the axial precession is what causes the cycles of climate change.
Ugh
With oceans acidifying 10-times faster than extinction events, time to end the Steam Age for electricity, consider the implications of these commercial, leading edge machines;
Flip substations off-grid, 1-Mw, 50-year no-inputs warranty, Belgian: technokontrol, a current project, RF-5000.
For off-grid, grid-tied homes or not, 10kw/$15k, 5kw/$8k, 20-year no-inputs warranty, S.Korean: infinitysav
Magnet motors drive these, it's why they DON'T NEED FUEL or other inputs, only upkeep, found doing trade studies for a lunar mission, why use anything else in space or on Earth?
We did leave the Holocene climate for good this winter-spring, ask any farmer with nothing planted in July, eh?
All bullshit,alarmists have never been right,there is no warming,No rising seas ,just follow the money,why just the West,go bullshit the Chinese,I I am sure they will listen!
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2393, Everyone is long gone by then.
Perhaps. We don't know.
The year 2393, the selfish delusion you can push CO2icide onto someone else :-(
Earth goes in CYCLES, we are in a cycle live with it
What cycles are you thinking about?
Whatever happened to that ice age we were promised back in the 70's. I bought stocks in a parka company and took a beating.