Existential Crisis: Intel i7-7740X CPU Review
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- We review the Intel i7-7740X CPU vs. the 7700K, then talk Intel's misguided product strategy.
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Real answer - Because Intel wanted to bring their gated server upgrade pricing paths to the consumer space so they could nickel and dime you for more money.
Finally someone who understands. This CPU and Statement of intel does not make sense at all. So intel bassicly says "if you dont have the money now you can still have an HEDT and get a better cpu later. But why the fuck would you when you dont have the money waste 350 bucks on a shitty cpu while you could save that for the 7900x. Hey intel ..I..
I should be at least mildly charitable to Intel here. They've seen the writing on the wall regarding the consumer space and have seen that the platform and peripherals are heading closer and closer to server capabilities apart from clock speed. Since they want to protect their cash cow worth billions, they attempted to go extremely protectionist with the HEDT platform. Fortunately for the consumer, AMD managed to step up their game and slapped them across the face with Ryzen before kicking them in the balls with Threadripper.
Throwing that CPU like you don't give two shits from Friday. Steve a savage.
F#cking Savage
like a boss
The absolute madman
EpicSMG26 So Savage
COMIN IN LINUS
The first 3 seconds pretty much sum up the situation.
needed a garbage can as well
Shituation
Buy this "relatively" shitty cpu so you can give us more money later, gee thanks Intel, 4790k still works great
Honestly, 4790k is their last good chip. Everything else is a downward spiral...
Fizzgig 6700K***
6700K is not that much better. It's not enough to make me want to buy it if I already have a 4790K, sorry.
4790k is fine... but no built-in m.2 on Z97 is a MAJOR detractor. Worth upgrading by itself if you ask me. There are other factors as well.
Running M.2 on my Gigabyte Z97X-UD5H built in..so um what? I am running every bit as boss PC except I had it 2 years before everyone else, and it still holds its own today.
Damn that drop
For cinematic value.....; probably actually threw an old Pentium 4 worth $3....
Look at the video, it's the 7740x not a pentium 4. You can easily tell the difference between the two
fine, if the processor is legit, then at best it was a childish risk undertaken for added 'Likes' on RUclips ....for bravery?
Risk? That CPU just survived 100C heat load for a day. It dropped 3". These things are not that weak.
mdd1963 has nothing to do with bravery or likes, and more about showing that the CPU is worthless.
Shit TIM for enthusiast grade CPUs !
They took the LGA 1151 7700k and glued it on the LGA 2066 baseplate and here you go. A refurbished cpu for a higher entrance price than a 7700k.
And yet people go out and shitpost about AMD "rebranding" their gpus......... When intel is doing even worse......
I wouldn't say worse than AMD. They rebrand mediocre mid range GPU's, and fail to release compelling high end GPU's for years...intel rebrands one of the best CPU's available for gaming...not quite as bad imo lol.
Soulshot96 Yea, but AMD hardware has Vulkan support and usually aims for good price to performance. This Intel rebrand requires you to pay $600+ to move to this platform at a base level.
+Soulshot96 The process node they were going to use for the 400 series got cancelled, and they didn't have the development budget to just start over in time, so they ended up with the 480. Then HBM2 ended up having massive manufacturing issues as well.
It's really not AMD's fault they couldn't keep up. They basically just got really unlucky.
David what is tim? I know of thermal paste but I hear the word tim all the time yet I still dont know what it is :(
He dropped it not once but twice! You knew the review would be critical. This is one of the realest channels on RUclips!!!
I thought Steve was a bit savage with the 1800x review... He just went over 9000 with this one
HAHAHA its like buy a ROG maximus and put a fucking celeron on it HAHAHAHA
Gustav MH this
Intel logic
Im on a 990 fx motherboard..Was on a 970A before though but that couldnt handle the 125w tdp.
stopped at 0:04 and came just to talk about that CPU throw. Dayum son
What the hell are those OC thermals for a quadcore? If a Kraken can't handle it then you basically need a custom loop right?
The only way to get those thermals down is by delidding it and replacing the thermal paste with liquid metal. That goes for the higher end 6, 8 and 10 cores as well, those can also spike to 100C when overclocked, even with a 280mm AIO. Basically, you have to void your warranty and risk breaking your new expensive CPU to get decent thermals if you want to overclock.
IsakH85 Fuck, at this point you're looking at a bare-die cooling situation
A custom loop wouldnt help much either. Because the tharmal transfer between the die and the IHS is a serious bottleneck.
Down to earth, thank you for saying it like it is. The 7740X is useless
I literally had to chuckle when you "dropped" the cpu on your desk.
I believe Intel just trys to sell out the 7700K leftovers.
Yeah, the ones without IGPUs
who efffing cares about a built in gpu. NO ONE spending $300+ on a cpu should be buying a computer without atleast some kind of gpu anyways.
iGPUs are awesome for troubleshooting.
I can't stress enough how useful iGPUs are for troubleshooting.
Captain Chicken yep the ones out of the skip where quality dept says the igp,s do not work
Well said, I completely agree, I have no idea what Intel was thinking.
Tech Showdown $$$$$$$$$
Thermal paste strikes again.
Bird poop gets better thermal conductivity. Just look at how well it sticks to cars.
@@ej_tech yeah insane how bad of a job intel did
and people said FX CPUs ran a little spicy.
Intel made this CPU for the sole purpose of marketing. No publicity is bad publicity. They were sick of everyone talking about AMD all the time so they decided to bring an absurd CPU so that they can get back in the news.
It's really amazing to think how much better these CPUs would have been received if they just soldered the god damn CPUs
Str8 Garbage INTEL!!!! Ripping off customers because you panicked. #Threadripper!
When you threw the chip on the desk, I liked immediately XD
You guys are really having a field day with x299, and I'm loving every minute of it lol
I'm actually done with Intel, my next upgrade will be towards an AMD CPU.
I don't like being gated from hardware features, I don't understand why the PCI line are much more limited in the new lineup.
I don't know why the price is much more expensive than it needs to be, especially when they now require "DLC" type upgrades, such as RAID Keys to unlock features.
Intel is going down a dark path, and I'll not be part of it, they don't seem to cater to their client base, instead they only cater to their greedy, hungry pockets.
Phatec how much PCIe lane on the r5 1600
Waifu Hunter R5 1600 has 16 PCI lanes, 6-core 12-thread at $299 CA. $329 CA for the 1600x.
If you were someone thinking about using 2x GPU's in SLI you would obviously be going for a higher end CPU, and a lot of Intel CPU's for the same cost also have 16 PCI lanes.
example: the new Intel I5-7640x has 16 PCI lanes, 4-core, 4-thread and costs $349, and will be slow as molasses. These horrible specs at that high of a cost are reasons is why I will avoid intel.
1600 actually has 24 lanes from the CPU with 16 dedicated to the GPU, 4 for the chipset and the other four for m.2 slots, and other non-gpu pcie cards.
You *can* use dual GPU setups with it but it splits the 16 lanes into 2x8 which usually doesn't hurt performance much if at all.
denizium damn
denizium which is the point, I'll never use intel again, AMD has shown they are providing better performance for a much better cost.
The AMD R5 1600 does have 16 PCIe Gen3 dedicated GPU lanes which was the answer I was providing, it also has 2x4 Gen2 lanes for the IO m.2 etc if you want to get technical.
And using 2x GPU in SLI as 2x8 doesn't necessarily hurt performance, but it does split the performance to share the bandwidth to both GPU's. And makes it almost pointless to use SLI at 2x8, GPU 1 is barely able to run at full performance due to less bandwidth, and GPU 2 only provided minimum performance, I know this because I tested this with 2 1080 TI in this setup with an r5 1600x, and it barely performed better than in single GPU mode, providing only a few % more performance due to the lack of bandwidth to use the full potential of the 1080 TI cards.
If you want to run SLI you are better off with a 40+ PCI lane CPU. 2x16 and 2x4 for other slots such as sound cards etc, which I also use. I am currently using an i7-5930k which has 40 lanes and so using SLI would allow me to get the full performance from both PCIe lanes.
It would make no sense for anyone to switch from x99 2011v3 to an x299 2066 CPU as it will provide much less performance for a higher cost. Everyone is better off switching to AMD.
One thing you forgot to mention is that for $39 more. You get two more cores 12 more PCIE lanes and two more RAM channels. If you can afford the i7 7740x you can afford the i7 7800x.
^This, of the priced the 7740x and 7640x 50 to 75 cheaper they may have a place but with the 6 core so cheap doesnt make alot of sense.
Ok, so I have 2600K, which has same amount of coreas and threads (but has integrated GPU) and is only like 30-50% slower than this CPU while having much better temps on similar clockspeeds. And it was on mainstream platform... already 6 years ago!
WTF if going on with technological advancement and competetivness? This is fucking ludacris.
blame bulldozer
The 2600K, great in 2011, is now matched by the top modern i3; it is now a bottleneck in most games.
mdd1963 nope, better than most i5's when 2600k is oc'd above 4.5ghz which is easily achieveable
Moore's Law is dead. It has been since about 2008. CPUs aren't getting any faster, they only get more efficient and we get more cores. Be prepared for next-gen CPUs that are actually *slower* than the previous gen but instead have more cores and a significantly lower TDP.
+mdd1963 An i3? lol no actually try looking at the gamernexus 2600k revisit. Worst case scenario it's like 25%-30% behind the 7700k clock for clock.
The problem I see with buying a i7-7740X CPU with the plan to upgrade to an i9 later is that most people *Were never planning on spending 1000 dollars on a CPU in the first place*
So there is absolutely no reason for many people to adopt this new platform. For many like myself, Ryzen is literally my only option because I refuse to upgrade to anything less than 8 core/16 thread.
You do realize the 10 core costs $1000. X299 6 core is $390 and the 8 core costs $600. Go check benches, the 6 core 7800X performs like the r7 1700x in the multi thread tasks. the 8 core destroys Ryzen hands down. So you can buy Ryzen as a budget option with good multi thread perf and decent single core perf or pay more and have excellent in both.
And I am supposed to be okay with 28 PCI express lanes for 8 core/16 thread 600 dollar CPU? Again I don't think people will be looking to drop $1000 dollars for a i7-7740X CPU 44 PCI's 10 core/20 thread--especially when people also have 299 motherboard, CPU cooler, ssd's, nvme M.2 storage, graphics cards and a 2k/4k monitor on their buy list.
+John Totten r7 1700 at 4Ghz is faster than 1700x/1800x and is only $310. Pair it with B350 board for around $80 you get a very powerfull machine combo for only $380. Meanwhile you need to spend $389 for a i7 7800x and $249 for the cheapest x299 board that i can find, in total of $638. Excellent in both? no, more like slightly better, actuallt maybe slowr, yeah sure you get more lanes and such with x299 but then you need to spend so much for so little.
Even the 1800X @ 500$ is value if you factor in the platform costs....
And you need at least a 7900X too use all of the motherboard you bought.
Fuck it I'm throwing random shit now. "Throws chair and keyboard" fuck you Intel
So you buy a low end cpu that fits in a high end board only to say you entered at a lower price point, to then eventually get a high end (the proper) cpu made for that board in the first place. By doing so, you ditch that low end cpu to then be forgotten and never used again... how the hell is that even savings?
edit: i can't spell -_-
What Intel is going through is called Panic and has being brought courtesy of AMD!
There is *one* situation where it makes sense.
Extreme overclocking.
The extra pins provide a bit better power and signal delivery but even then the difference is small.
So the only way to get the best out of this CPU is to delid it and perhaps try another motherboard.
Delidded, Kyle was able to get 5.3GHz and hit temperatures below 70 degrees.
Still. One should not have to delid their brand new 300$ cpu just to get decent thermals
Hydrochloric Acid If only intel put decent thermal paste on there in the first place. I mean these are thermal differences of over 20 degrees...
Yup, have to delid if you want to overclock without cooking the thing to death.
And the one Kyle got could have been a golden sample. He said Gigabyte's engineers had been playing around with some CPU's, so the delidded one they sent him may have been their silicon lottery winner.
Intel really shit the bed on this one.
This is one of the reasons i supported AMD this time around upgrading my cpu with a 1600x purchase. Will be looking forward to vega gpus!
6:21 1.77 volts? Didn't realise you had the LN2 closed loop edition of the Kraken X62...
1.188Vcore auto, 1.37V manual Vcore. There were a lot of "77s" on the page, probably just misspoke and read the line above the intended text.
I replayed that drop at least 10 times
If the Kaby Lake X CPUs had a minimum of 28 PCIE lanes and had Quad Channel DDR4 support, it would make a lot more sense.
Yeah that wouls be so much better.
i fucked Up my rx 480 bios doing some mods and thank to the iGPU I fixed it, so shame on you intel
On the bright side now without the useless iGPU it may OC easy and better? W00ps never mind, temps....
david kozat only if you delid it 5.3
I kinda wished that there was a thread ripper 8-core, but with two cut down dies so you still got the extra memory channels and pcie lanes.
Still sitting pretty with this 4790k, thinking bout building a plex monster with threadripper though...Can't believe intel cheaped out on the tim again! It's almost like they dgaf and believe their lead is as huge as Nvidia's...If I wanted a space heater I'd go to home depot.
This one really does seem like it shouldn't exist :/
thank you for the honest review... Paul should feel ashamed after watching this.
Irakli Mosulishvili what did Paul say?
is 5.1ghz the max?i thought this cpu was meant to oc better than the 7700k
Only if you delid it, and even then it will only go like 100-200MHz higher.
It suffers the same overheating problems that the 7700k does due to the crappy TIM.
Bill Nanos you can't beat physics. 7700k isn't power limited most of the time
Check out results from some delidded chips, 5.3, 5.4ghz have been hit on the same kind of cooling used here. Also with considerably lower temperatures.
T.E.D. de Medici links? Damn if you tell me that when delidded, the chip can run higher then 5.1 and cooler: you got me head feeling "fuck that's too good to believe" xD
Man, do I like blunt sincerity and clear-cut conclusions! :)) Plenty of these in the video :)
really love that you are including 2600k and 4790k numbers in these videos. As someone who has 4 systems across gens 1-6 doing different workloads, it's really really helpful to keep track the different gens.
I like that Steve is always brutally honest, definitely no bias on reviews lol.
Intel's like, "we got all these binned 7700K's, what do we do with them?" Some genius was like "re-brand it as an X chip and remove the iGPU!" *Old El Paso song goes off!*
Intel is doomed. Panicking when seeing Ryzen, TR and EPYC .
Sounds like they've created a skew for all of those 7700k that had igpu flaws. You would have to be out of your mind to buy this! No idea why you'd compare it to a Ryzen five anyway, considering the fact that you could build two Ryzen 5 1600 for the same price.
what cracks me up about the IGPU is that intel once had the p67 and h67 motherboards. The CPU still had a IGPU you just wouldn't use it on a p67 motherboard. There's obviously gunna be space for it on that massive chip. Then motherboard manufacturers could have another reason to make low end X299 boards by making them with HDMI ports.
Not interested in X299 at all, but I'm still interested to see how overclocking compares to their 7th gen counterparts.
Ok, that slow focus shot of the chip on the NZXT puck doohickie thing was glorious! :D
Daym drops super official cpu review
If the i7-8740x exists this what I think would actually make some people want to buy it!
Memory: Up to 128GB of DDR4 RAM (Perfect for people for things like extreme After Effects users use mainly single core performance but big projects need a lot of RAM and X299 has it)
Memory Channels: Quad Channel
PCIe Lanes: 28 to match i7-7800x
This is the first of your videos I've watched. Very well laid out and I enjoy your presentation. Subscribed. Looking forward to your threadripper review.
Intel garbage!
just ONE garbage chip out of the entire chipset. AMD fanboys still mad they cant keep up.
Its Neight two garbage chips, i5 7640x and i7 7740x. Honestly probably not "garbage", but they use garbage thermal paste, and it's garbage that they cripple the motherboard features and cost more without the iGPU (like Steve said), but I'm no AMD fanboy. My PC has a i7 6700k. My son's has a i7 6700k, and my daughter's has my old 2500k. I do have one AMD system with a FX 6350, but it doesn't get used a whole lot. I would like to rebuild it with RYZEN/Threadripper at some point.
No. The OP was right. We can't be afraid to call it like it is. This product is legit GARBAGE.
yeh im on a lynnfield processor right now and going to upgrade to ryzen because they actually use solder as their tim rather than crappy low quality thermal paste
Its Neight lmao fanboy spotted
WTF is this chip? This shouldn't cost more than 199
is it me or the video footage looks like it was filmed in 60 fps but then someone removed half of the frames?
RUclips is still processing everything.
hmm, but I was watching in 720p60 and 1080p60...
what part of 'processing' you did not understand? XD
I dont think there's going to be a update for 720p60 and 1080p60 after "processing" is done.
My understanding is that "still processing" means other quality options such as 1440p60 and 2160p60 are not yet ready.
Fabulous, that is not the problem I'm talking about.
The problem is that the video in 60fps doesnt look as smooth as 60fps should look, like someone lost/removed half of the frames from footage.
I'm running an i7 3820. It's only a quad core, (albeit hyperthreaded) chip on X79. But, unlike this, they made it somewhat make sense by giving it proper PCIe support and quad channel memory. They should have just done the same here, then it might actually make sense despite being only 4 cores...
Seeing my 4790k still on those charts reminded me I don't even need to think about upgrading yet. All this 8 core hype had me feeling jumpy.
Very informative =) As a 7700K owner this video was very interesting to watch.
hey Gamers Nexus you found a use for the nzxt puck. Using it to hold the cpu up to film it lol
Fuck ya great video Steve. I'm loving my new 7700K! This new Skylake X seems so whack I don't even know what to tell people who ask why I can't use all the ram on the mobo 😂 lol
The upgrade path is the worst reason ever since Kaby Lake-X are CPUs for gaming while the Skylake-X are for productivity, different consumers, that is exactly the reason why there are 2 platforms in the first place, because the LGA 115x sockets and their chipsets are less expensive to manufacture to support up to the i7 x700k and keep the total cost of your pc lower while LGA 20xx sockets and their chipsets are made to support the 6+ cores CPUs and have all the enthusiast features.
If you wanted to go for a lower cost processor now and then upgrade later, why wouldn't you buy the i7-7800x ? It's only about $50 more ($389 I've read) but it's a 6-core, it's quad channel and has 28 PCIe lanes. That seems like it would work way better if your on a budget.
^This, 7740x should have been $280 or lower to make it practical as an entry point to X299
Ryzen 7 1700 doing work in those benches! Beast chip, and amazing value at the price.
I would agree with you completely but not knowing if intel did this to consolidate the two different products stacks. the consumer line and the high end xx99 line. If they did this to cut costs on having to design from two lines to one I would guess it would be a cost cutting measure at that point. putting out one line cuts out the choices for the consumer so it becomes a no brainer the choice left is which processor to get knowing if you go cheap then the less features are available.
The thing is if you bought this cpu with sn intention to upgrade it later, you should do it in no more than 6 months otherwise there is is no sense to do so. Because just a year later there will be new cpus and mobos released.
If you go this route you'll probably sit with this cpu and mobo for a year or two and then upgrade the whole thing along with the mobo and the gpu. No sense. That's the thing.
But can it run extreme mega tasking?
Core i11 CPUs for Ultra Extra Ultimate Mega Tasking Plus
It also feels strange to me that Kaby Lake X would have less features than a Skylake x, when thinking of the name. Later generation chips don't tend to have less features than previous gen
Thank you for a honest truthful review. As always, a brilliant review!
This CPU would have made so much more sense if these many features, like PCIE and IGP, had not been disabled.
Intel missed a great opportunity here.
They could have included their Iris Pro graphics which would have helped to accelerate workloads that support GPU acceleration and those extra PCIE lanes would have made it perfect for people who work with applications that do not use more than 8 threads, things like audio production, and working on Adobe, etc.
Excellent! The independent opinions are appreciated. Thanks for that.
Where's the love button?! Preach it Gamer! Question: Is a GTX690 still worth it today? As in, if i have the option to buy it for $80, should i? I only plan to game at 1080 as my monitor is a 1080, 144hz.
That prosessor would make sense if you buy it and use it for 3-5 years and then buy the 16 core monster when you can get it for dirt cheap. Motherboards can get expensive like they are now for the x79 platform.
Why does Kaby Lake X exist? Probably for more Marketing BS. I think Intel even claimed that these things had better OC capabilities than their Z270 counterparts. Except that you can't even keep these things at reasonable temperatures.
Geez, Intel, what the hell are you doing.
You're right... but this is going to be the best thing available for hardcore overclockers trying to get the highest frequency overclocks on all types of cooling. especially LN2. so... niche market but so is the entire "enthusiast" line of CPUs.
Steve went straight for the jugular. I dig it.
please delid it. im sure af it has 2 layers of pcb(one smaller and one bigger), because they intended to make it for smaller socket, but then decided fuck it lets make it use 2000 pins and adapted it to x299 board socket
This current situation is a perfect example of the term "milking customers".
Kaby Lake X was meant to exist on the z270 platform as a buffer for Coffee lake S.
Steve: dropping CPUs and science...
Would've been a useful chip if it had 28 PCIe lanes, 12MB of cache, iGPU and 4 channel memory in those scenarios where clocks matter more than core counts. I mean intel did the 4820K with 40 PCIe lanes, 10MB of cache and it was only a 4C 8T CPU (I know it's in an older era but had sense).
thank you for this , i was actually considering getting the 7740x now i will just stay with my 7700k and my z270 . dont even understand why i would consider upgrading anyhow , i already get more FPS than i need with my gtx 1070 not over clocked and i havent ever seen lag at all ever. and on top of that my system is barely 5 months old. so ty for waking me up its very easy to get caught up in the UPGRADE THIS ONES BETTER BULLSHIT, i think an amd 1700 build is next and thats not for upgrading , thats because i enjoy building computers and want one instead of need one .
I'm really disappointed with Intel's decision on X299 CPUs. Your breakdown is spot-on. That said, I'll take the 7740X if you don't want it ;)
This is an awesome video and very good information. Thank you!
I winced at the CPU toss, but not because I value the CPU. That was pretty much a direct slam on Intel right tharr.
FWIW if there's an 8-core variant of Threadripper, AT LEAST you'll get 60 PCIe lanes to play with (64 minus the 4 to the chipset)!
atomkinder67 there probably won't just so amd can avoid overlap. That would make the 1800x obsolete
Hydrochloric Acid No it wouldn't. Different needs in different markets, the HEDT platform will certainly be more expensive overall.
I will add that not everyone who needs a ton of PCIe lanes is going to need 16 cores either. An 8-core Threadripper part will be distinguishable from the R7 line by providing these whereas the 7740X neuters the entire X299 platform, making it a redundant and ridiculous part in the first place. Intel is the one attempting to cannibalize their own lines.
From an Anandtech article: "At today’s press conference, AMD has confirmed that the 16 core processor will for most purposes be half of an Epyc processor. This means that the two die MCM chip will feature 4 DDR4 channels and a whopping 64 lanes of PCIe, with all 64 lanes being enabled for all ThreadRipper SKUs."
www.anandtech.com/show/11482/amd-cpu-updates-threadripper-64-pcie-lanes-epyc-june-20th
i read in their sites that they'll introduce the ryzen Pro chips this year, this chip surely will have more PCIe lanes and hopefully cheaper than threadripper.
Roikhan Ulya Hamidan The Pie lanes are limited by die count though so no Ryzen Pro will have as many as a multi-die chip like Threadripper or Epyc.
HOLY SHIT that quad core runs hot. my r5 1600 6 core hasn't gotten that hot on its tiny stock cooler
this is what happened behind the scenes:
intel tried to be the coolest guy by making the 7600k and 7700k work on your x299 board, but that didnt work so they made this crap, but forgot to make them 100$ and 150$ so you could decide whether to get z170 and K cpu OR x299 + this crap and it would cost the same either way but with x299 you have an upgrade path
that would've made a lot of sense to combat AMD's offerings which are very flexible going from i3 to HEDT i7 pricing, they probably wanted to fight that but some greedy marketing people said no and ruined the strat
Intels answer to AMD pushing 8 cores to the mainstream?
Quadcores for the high end!
Honestly, i was only gonna buy a 7740k if it was a crazy overclcoker
like 5.5ghz+
but this is just a house fire
I totally used my 7700ks igpu for a few weeks until I pulled enough funds together for my strix 1070 ;o
There could be an argument for having the highest end desktop processor ported over to the entry level HEDT platform, if it allowed you to access the functionality of the HEDT platform.
If AMD were to put out an 8 core threadripper (2X4 core chips), it kind of makes sense if all the PCIe lanes and memory channels are available to that processor.
The 7740X does neither of those but turn a HEDT platform into a desktop platform, so it has zero points for its choice.
The 7800X on the other hand while only being a 6 core part at least gets you four channel memory and 28 PCIe lanes for only $50 more than the 7740X which if you look at mobo and CPU min cost, adds 10% to the price.
I think Intel have too many unpackaged chips in stock and this is just a way to possibly move a few more.
wow i can't believe 2 years ago intel was selling us 4c8t chip as high end.
One thing that doesn't make sense is the Watts. No IGP but way more power needed for 100mhz difference?
Having a 7600 (i5) i figured to buy the 6700K(i7) just to be safe on the temp and socket side. (Having a Maximus IX Hero board)
This whole X line-up seems to be very unnecessary. (X just sounds cool lol)
Thank you for the review guys! Your methodology is always supreme compared to others, keep up the good work!
Upgrading "Later", when the next year they launch release new motherboards with new sockets..
I hear this stupid "buy it now and upgrade to a better one later" Argument all the time. Here's the thing: who is going to buy it when it's used? Absolutely no one! And someone who cannot afford the high end CPU right now probably cannot afford losing 100$ or more for putting in a filling CPU for a few months. Also, if you want to upgrade later why not stick with z270 and an i7 7700k for now and upgrade both later? Price differences, loss in value etc. Probably make that still the cheaper option. You need DDR4 etc. Anyways.
Tired of hearing this in almost every video about Kaby lake X. It's NOT the only argument, it's another against it.
Who remembers the days when 8cores used to be the best thing in CPUs since sliced bread? But they had so many teathing issues that it was pretty much better to stay with a 2core or 4core CPU... Ah them were the days..