Respect is earned, never given. No matter what someone’s address may be. I’m a 3 minute walk from my break and I never thought I had more rights to a wave then the weekenders. The entitlement is strong with these two.
Living in Saint Lucia in the Caribbean, we don't have that problem. As we are NOT a surf destination, sometimes it's hard to get a buddy to surf with. So no one is snaking anyone. But the downside is that we get only epic waves about 15 days a year, the rest of the time it's onshore and closing out.
All love and respect to Nate and Koa, but their notion of etiquette really starts to blur the line with straight up gatekeeping. I would never would disagree with the need for more etiquette in the lineup. And at big or consequential spots, especially the ones that draw big crowds from far away, the whole "when you think it's your turn, it's still not your turn" may be the right standard. But for your average beachie, reef, or point, that's just silly. I wasn't lucky to be born at the beach. I live as close as I can afford - a solid 35-40 min drive. I'll never be a local anywhere. That means it's never my turn? The fact that I haul my ass across town at 5am for every swell gives me just at much right to the lineup as most anyone. Surf at spots that are right for your ability. Don't burn, snake, or backpaddle. Don't paddle right back to the peak after getting one (even if you blow it). Give the guys who really put in the time at a spot a few extras (esp. those set waves). Be doubly respectful/deferential when you travel for waves. Beyond that - if I'm deepest/closest to the peak, yeah, it's my turn. I'm going.
Surfing x capitalism = same as everything else x capitalism… Over saturation and greed 👌🏽it’s ok we’ll keep surfing because we love it. On an ironic note, both Nate and Koa r., whose surfing I respect, live off of surfing and had the way paved for them by family. They are promoting the sport, advertising their swag using images of the waves they don’t want crowded, and I’m yet to see a concerted effort to change that. They are certainly not out there helping people learn the ropes or promoting surfing at beginner spots. They are literally the cause of the problem they are distressed about…. Be the change you want to see guys! I live on Oahu 5 years after living in Sydney 7 years surfing, and 5 years prior to that traveling north, south and Central America. I’ve seen it all and I know the high level surfers in Hawaii are not offering any solutions but certainly are fanning the flames with the constant media content and promotion of surfing as something you can buy.
Yeah, you guys are out of touch with reality. This is completely wrong. This is basically saying that you own the ocean where you live. You guys are so entitled even when people do try to follow all the rules and etiquette you’re still saying that that’s not valid.
Not sure how people don’t get the localism thing. You don’t need to be a surfer to understand it. Think of your towns main basketball court. During the summer is some out of town crew going to come and say they’re up next while there are plenty of other teams waiting?
Surf etiquette ironically is bad etiquette. Did your parents not teach you to share? " It's mine mine mine!!! And you can't have it!!" It sounds to me like the loss of localism as the sport grows is a good thing. Let everyone be more welcoming - like other sports. All men were created equal - unless they're surfing.then it's greedy locals first.
Respect is earned, never given. No matter what someone’s address may be.
I’m a 3 minute walk from my break and I never thought I had more rights to a wave then the weekenders.
The entitlement is strong with these two.
You da man
The explanation of knowing how the ocean works, instead of fighting it, is such a great description of the relationship you build with it over time.
Need to play this on incoming flights.
It isn't just surf etiquette that has changed, It is general common sense and common courtesy has changed. People just think about themselves now.
Living in Saint Lucia in the Caribbean, we don't have that problem. As we are NOT a surf destination, sometimes it's hard to get a buddy to surf with. So no one is snaking anyone. But the downside is that we get only epic waves about 15 days a year, the rest of the time it's onshore and closing out.
Try Seaside point in Oregon… really fun and the most friendly and helpful locals
That ending is perfectly clipped 🤣🤣🤣
I surf mostly alone on what most surfers would call shity waves but never have to deal with localism most people are not aware
All love and respect to Nate and Koa, but their notion of etiquette really starts to blur the line with straight up gatekeeping. I would never would disagree with the need for more etiquette in the lineup. And at big or consequential spots, especially the ones that draw big crowds from far away, the whole "when you think it's your turn, it's still not your turn" may be the right standard. But for your average beachie, reef, or point, that's just silly.
I wasn't lucky to be born at the beach. I live as close as I can afford - a solid 35-40 min drive. I'll never be a local anywhere. That means it's never my turn? The fact that I haul my ass across town at 5am for every swell gives me just at much right to the lineup as most anyone.
Surf at spots that are right for your ability. Don't burn, snake, or backpaddle. Don't paddle right back to the peak after getting one (even if you blow it). Give the guys who really put in the time at a spot a few extras (esp. those set waves). Be doubly respectful/deferential when you travel for waves.
Beyond that - if I'm deepest/closest to the peak, yeah, it's my turn. I'm going.
Can you please make playlists for clips and full podcasts?
Surfing x capitalism = same as everything else x capitalism…
Over saturation and greed 👌🏽it’s ok we’ll keep surfing because we love it.
On an ironic note, both Nate and Koa r., whose surfing I respect, live off of surfing and had the way paved for them by family. They are promoting the sport, advertising their swag using images of the waves they don’t want crowded, and I’m yet to see a concerted effort to change that. They are certainly not out there helping people learn the ropes or promoting surfing at beginner spots.
They are literally the cause of the problem they are distressed about….
Be the change you want to see guys!
I live on Oahu 5 years after living in Sydney 7 years surfing, and 5 years prior to that traveling north, south and Central America. I’ve seen it all and I know the high level surfers in Hawaii are not offering any solutions but certainly are fanning the flames with the constant media content and promotion of surfing as something you can buy.
Hey guys, GOOD IDEA: I would love to see you talk with North Shore Life Guards.
Yeah, you guys are out of touch with reality. This is completely wrong. This is basically saying that you own the ocean where you live. You guys are so entitled even when people do try to follow all the rules and etiquette you’re still saying that that’s not valid.
Don't step on the tracks when the trains coming through!
Mini PodCast?
These two are basically saying that localism rules... because it's why they get stacks of waves at the pipeline. End
Not sure how people don’t get the localism thing. You don’t need to be a surfer to understand it. Think of your towns main basketball court. During the summer is some out of town crew going to come and say they’re up next while there are plenty of other teams waiting?
Like L L said I'm gonna knock you out mama said knock you out.
Surf etiquette ironically is bad etiquette.
Did your parents not teach you to share? " It's mine mine mine!!! And you can't have it!!"
It sounds to me like the loss of localism as the sport grows is a good thing. Let everyone be more welcoming - like other sports.
All men were created equal - unless they're surfing.then it's greedy locals first.
Surf trips are the worst. Dudes who paid to go surf think they have priority. It’s terrible